"Stingy" Americans

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I was listening to the news when I heard somebody say that Americans are being stingy in the face of what happened in south asia. The guy said we weren't giving enough per cap. so I looked it up. We have raised $33 million while France has only committed less than $200,000 so far. I am sick of American bashing. I wish I could find that guy and shove those numbers down his face. :moody:

[MistrSynistr]

I was listening to the news when I heard somebody say that Americans are being stingy in the face of what happened in south asia. The guy said we weren't giving enough per cap. so I looked it up. We have raised $33 million while France has only committed less than $200,000 so far. I am sick of American bashing. I wish I could find that guy and shove those numbers down his face. :moody:

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

[Rascal]

oh shut up mistr.

Who has raised more money for this crisis?

[NYBronco]

How much money has been contributed by the oil rich Arab countries?

[orangeatheist]

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.


Hmmmm...If I needed emergency money would I rather get two cents from a guy with $100 to his name or $20 from a guy with $100,000 to his name?

It's the bottom line. Besides, the figures quoted are strictly from government sources. What is the amount of private charity contributions from each country? Are there as many charities in France as in the US? What are the dollar figures from that quarter? How much are private citizens in France donating to the disaster as compared to the amount private citizens in the US are donating?

[Rascal]

It's those damned athiests in all those other countries that aren't helping. Thankfully America still has a big # of believers so we contribute more then everybody else :)

[orangeatheist]

It's those damned athiests in all those other countries that aren't helping. Thankfully America still has a big # of believers so we contribute more then everybody else :)

No doubt to help pay off their "sin debt" and make sure they have their tickets punched for Heaven.....Not because they are truly altruistic, right? :P

[Spider]

See I say screw Asia , Yeah it is tradgic , but Screw em ........ Where in the hell was the Disaster relief on 9-11 ?
I depart company with rest of the Democrats on this .......
Iam sick an tired of Everyone kicking us around while things are good , then when somthing Bad Happens , they come to us for Help ...... Freaking Ingrates ...... Fúckem ..........

[kappys]

No doubt to help pay off their "sin debt" and make sure they have their tickets punched for Heaven.....Not because they are truly altruistic, right? :P

No need to preach to the choir. I've already got my indulgence, bought and paid for with cash money. :woowoo:

[errand]

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

Gee, I wonder if the French and German planes with food and water and medical supplies and other types of aid arrived before ours did?

Let's look at it in another perspective there MistrSynistr....

Why is there no outrage for the amount of money being spent to help out disaster struck people in the world...and yet freeing over 50 million people from oppression is not worth the amount of money being spent?

We can send billions upon billions to Africa to try and alleviate AIDS (a known behavioral problem) and it's OK....but freeing 50 million people from oppression, what? Are you people nuts? No way we should spend a dime on that.

Amazingly the left thinks spending 80 billion freeing Afghanistan and Iraq isn't worth it, and dammit we shouldn't be footing the bill....and yet they wonder aloud how come the US doesn't spend more for earthquake/tidal wave victims.

The Left says "why don't the Iraqi's just free themselves if they want freedom so badly?" And yet do not ponder the question of why Sri Lanka doesn't provide it's own relief for a disaster that hit their shores?

Look clown, we do what we do because it is our way....giving has been a part of our culture for quite some time now....and it'll never stop.

The US spends more money worldwide helping other nations than anyone else...and that's not even counting the money private citizens send to other charitable organizations that assist these 3rd world nations survive.......and yet the world hates us.

I personally wonder where they'd all be without us?

[MistrSynistr]

Gee, I wonder if the French and German planes with food and water and medical supplies and other types of aid arrived before ours did?

Let's look at it in another perspective there MistrSynistr....

Why is there no outrage for the amount of money being spent to help out disaster struck people in the world...and yet freeing over 50 million people from oppression is not worth the amount of money being spent?

We can send billions upon billions to Africa to try and alleviate AIDS (a known behavioral problem) and it's OK....but freeing 50 million people from oppression, what? Are you people nuts? No way we should spend a dime on that.

Amazingly the left thinks spending 80 billion freeing Afghanistan and Iraq isn't worth it, and dammit we shouldn't be footing the bill....and yet they wonder aloud how come the US doesn't spend more for earthquake/tidal wave victims.

The Left says "why don't the Iraqi's just free themselves if they want freedom so badly?" And yet do not ponder the question of why Sri Lanka doesn't provide it's own relief for a disaster that hit their shores?

Look clown, we do what we do because it is our way....giving has been a part of our culture for quite some time now....and it'll never stop.

The US spends more money worldwide helping other nations than anyone else...and that's not even counting the money private citizens send to other charitable organizations that assist these 3rd world nations survive.......and yet the world hates us.

I personally wonder where they'd all be without us?


Afghanistan is warranted. There's not a liberal or conservative who didn't want that action to take place.

In the issue of Iraq. If you want to call our actions over there as "freedom" for the iraqi people, so be it. We all have different opinions. Some just have more information behind the sources than others. Will they get a limited version of "freedom", yes, I am sure. I just combine every other excuse and agenda WITH that freedom excuse and I see it's very easy to just place the war in the positive context of giving the iraqi's freedom. When you, I, or joe schmoe, and even your President could give a rat's a$$ about any iraqi's. That's the problem. No one cares about those people. When someone innocent gets blown to smithereens you say "ahh, it happens, casualities of war! it's war!" But then, when someone informs you that the war in iraq is by far more for the profitable gains of America, you fall back to the "freedom for iraqis cause we care so much" speech. It's enlightening to know how the majority of Americans think. Mostly for capitalism. For Mickey D's. And mainly, only for themselves.

And no, more money should go to people living in shelters who have had their whole lives destroyed in the blink of an eye than people who have been living comfortably for years with roofs over their heads but couldn't say "Saddam's an idiot". They knew not to break the rules, and they'd be alright. The Sri Lankens didn't know their home, children, mothers, fathers, etc would be swept away forever in 2 minutes. So, if you want to look at it from a "different" perspective, as you put it, yes...the tsunami survivors need our help far more than the Iraqi's.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Here an up date. Now that total is up to 350 million and now those a$$holes and backtracking trying to take back what they said.

[MistrSynistr]

Here an up date. Now that total is up to 350 million and now those a$$holes and backtracking trying to take back what they said.

Good spin. Anyone with half a brain would definetly fall under your dopey reasoning, no doubt.

Then, you could not take it out of context and realize the public/worldly outcry over the original 15 million is what GOT us to the 350 million now.

Ultimate Soldier, what a slap in the face of our military. More like the UltimateJoke.

[enjolras]

Awesome.. a new moron!

The aid issue has more to do with our bueacracy than anything. There was very limited funding in the department that doles out aid to foreign disaster relief (I forget the acronym at this point). They actually immediatly dedicated EVERY AVAILABLE PENNY in that budget. The $350 million required a fairly large effort to allocate money from other resources which inevitably comes with lag time. It's the nature of our fiscal process.. The outside pressure had very little to do with it.

I do think that Bush dropped the ball on this (what's new?). When Florida was racked by Hurricanes he was out there with a bullhorn doing what he does best. It was politically expedient right before the election. However, after the Tsunami Bush was absolutely silent for three days. He SHOULD have been in the air on his way to Indonesia as soon as he POSSIBLY could. He should have been there, bullhorn in hand, pledging Americas support for these people. He had a chance to win the hearts and minds of these people in areas of the world important to the 'war on terror'. He failed to do that, and while America will be extremely generous (we always are)... the perception will continue to be that we simply don't care about these people in the slightest. There may be some truth to that, after all I'm not convinced our president does.

[missingnumber7]

See I say screw Asia , Yeah it is tradgic , but Screw em ........ Where in the hell was the Disaster relief on 9-11 ?
I depart company with rest of the Democrats on this .......
Iam sick an tired of Everyone kicking us around while things are good , then when somthing Bad Happens , they come to us for Help ...... Freaking Ingrates ...... Fúckem ..........
As soon as we givem money and donate troops something will happen and we will get attacked by someone who sympathizes with a different country who didn't get the same $$. Its all gay. The UN is helping. Let the UN do it. Thats what they are there for, since they have proven useless in all areas of the Middle East.

[Spider]

Awesome.. a new moron!

The aid issue has more to do with our bueacracy than anything. There was very limited funding in the department that doles out aid to foreign disaster relief (I forget the acronym at this point). They actually immediatly dedicated EVERY AVAILABLE PENNY in that budget. The $350 million required a fairly large effort to allocate money from other resources which inevitably comes with lag time. It's the nature of our fiscal process.. The outside pressure had very little to do with it.

I do think that Bush dropped the ball on this (what's new?). When Florida was racked by Hurricanes he was out there with a bullhorn doing what he does best. It was politically expedient right before the election. However, after the Tsunami Bush was absolutely silent for three days. He SHOULD have been in the air on his way to Indonesia as soon as he POSSIBLY could. He should have been there, bullhorn in hand, pledging Americas support for these people. He had a chance to win the hearts and minds of these people in areas of the world important to the 'war on terror'. He failed to do that, and while America will be extremely generous (we always are)... the perception will continue to be that we simply don't care about these people in the slightest. There may be some truth to that, after all I'm not convinced our president does.

F.E.M.A. is the name you are looking for .......
Here is my Problem with helping those Bastards out ...... Let them go to OBL for money the Fúcks ..lets see how fast the Freaking Muslim community helps the bastards out ............
Screw em all

[Phantom]

And no, more money should go to people living in shelters who have had their whole lives destroyed in the blink of an eye than people who have been living comfortably for years with roofs over their heads but couldn't say "Saddam's an idiot". They knew not to break the rules, and they'd be alright. The Sri Lankens didn't know their home, children, mothers, fathers, etc would be swept away forever in 2 minutes. So, if you want to look at it from a "different" perspective, as you put it, yes...the tsunami survivors need our help far more than the Iraqi's.

Listen to how you trivialize the Iraqi peoples plight in order to make some gay political coorelation. Ya, the mass graves and torture chambers were filled with Iraqi's who deserved it.

[Spider]

Listen to how you trivialize the Iraqi peoples plight in order to make some gay political coorelation. Ya, the mass graves and torture chambers were filled with Iraqi's who deserved it.
Yes they did deserve it , hell if you cant fight or Rebel to save yourselfs from that , then what good are you ?
if you cant fight for your Childrens future , and your own safty then you are pretty freaking worthless ..........
there comes a time when a Man has to make a stand and fight for what he believes in .Except Iraqis of course

[enjolras]

Except Iraqis of course

Well they had WMD's of course...err nevermind.

[alkemical]

I heard that iraqi police and us forces clashed over a veil incident.

[missingnumber7]

Ok, for those who seem to can't let the whole Iraq thing go I have pictures from the death chamber where Saddam put millions to death because they had a differance of opinion to him. The blood stained floors. The smell. He was just as ruthless, as evil, and as wrong as Hitler.

As for the veil incident, the american soldiers are asking women to lift their veils to confirm they are actually women and not Terrorists. The chicken ****s over there don't fight war, they just want to die and take as many others with them as they can.

[alkemical]

I guess the iraqi police beg to differ, and our western culture we know nothing of their culture.

[Spider]

Ok, for those who seem to can't let the whole Iraq thing go I have pictures from the death chamber where Saddam put millions to death because they had a differance of opinion to him. The blood stained floors. The smell. He was just as ruthless, as evil, and as wrong as Hitler.
.
I am sure you have pictures , and they are ghastly to say the least , and Hilter did the same things Bro , but damn , The iraqi People should have took a stand , tell me would you sit still knowing America had death chambers and a brutal goverment ? would you allow your kids to grow up in that enviorment ?
As for Hilter , we was drug into war with him , by Japan .... And one other difference , the Jews had no homeland , they migrated everywhere ... The Iraqi People have a homeland , and if you cant fight for your home , what can you fight for ?

[alkemical]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f94c32b6-5f00-11d9-8cca-00000e2511c8.html

Bush quake aid group to dissolve
By Victor Mallet in Jakarta, Hugh Williamson in Berlin and Dan Dombey in Brussels
Published: January 5 2005 11:13 | Last updated: January 6 2005 00:33

The “core group” of nations announced by US President George W. Bush to channel aid to victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami will be dissolved on Thursday after just eight days as the United Nations takes control of the relief effort, delegates to a donors summit said on Wednesday.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Good spin. Anyone with half a brain would definetly fall under your dopey reasoning, no doubt.

Then, you could not take it out of context and realize the public/worldly outcry over the original 15 million is what GOT us to the 350 million now.

Ultimate Soldier, what a slap in the face of our military. More like the UltimateJoke.


That 15 Million you quoted was an "initial" couple of hours then it jumped to 35 million on the first day. Also that 15 million that you talk about was to scout out the situation in the affected region. And if you think that 15 million went to waste. That 15 million found a group of natives in a remote island and was able to drop supplies to them.

You want to talk numbers. We'll talk numbers. Last years of all donations given to international aid the Untied States of America accounted for 40% of total contributions, while we only are about 1/12th of the worlds population.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Ohh... I also forgot that 350 million doesn't even count the 20 ships from the Navy sent to the region which includes the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, the 50 helicopters that does the supply drops to the remote island chain, and the private donations like American Red Cross and other charity organizations. I could go on but I have a life.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

Bingo.

Moral of the story?

Those lemmings w/o conscience who support GeeDubya have no qualms about their tax dollars (and their kids' and their grandkids' tax dollars) going to support a senseless bloodbath in Iraq, but disaster relief is another story.

BTW, notice how AWOL Boy had to be shamed into upping the ante?

The amount he pledged initially was less than half of what the Greedy Oil Party had earmarked for Dim Son's re-coronation hoedown.

And did you hear Tom DeLay and Michael Savage and the usual cast of "Chrisitian" right-wingnuts alluding that the tsunami victims "had it coming" because they're "unsaved" non-believers, anyway?

These assclowns are a complete waste of human DNA.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The rich and famous are sending money to the tsunami victims.

According to first-draft.com, this is a partial list:

Jackie Chan - $64,000
Actor Chow Yun-fat - $25,600
Steven Spielberg - $1.5 million
Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher - $10 million
Leonardo DiCaprio - undisclosed amount
Sandra Bullock - $1 million
NBA stars Jalen Rose, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Bob Sura,
Pau Gasol, and Mike Miller - $1,000 US for every point they score in a game later this week

The bastard who lied us into war, killing 1340 soldiers and 100,000 civilians, who has been stealing $100 million a day for 544 days?

He gave a whopping $10,000 and the networks ate it with a f*cking spoon..

http://www.bartcop.com/bu_laff33.jpg
FOX News called me "generous."

[Green Sunshine]

How much money has been contributed by the oil rich Arab countries?

Prince Al Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud donated $19 million by himself. The governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates donated $60 million. Saudi Arabia is currently holding a telethon which is supposed to raise significantly more.

Since you single out one group, maybe I can have the liberty to do the same. How much money has been contributed by the filthy rich NFL owners and their overpaid employees? :-X

[winstoncup bronco]

The rich and famous are sending money to the tsunami victims.

According to first-draft.com, this is a partial list:

Jackie Chan - $64,000
Actor Chow Yun-fat - $25,600
Steven Spielberg - $1.5 million
Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher - $10 million
Leonardo DiCaprio - undisclosed amount
Sandra Bullock - $1 million
NBA stars Jalen Rose, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Bob Sura,
Pau Gasol, and Mike Miller - $1,000 US for every point they score in a game later this week

The bastard who lied us into war, killing 1340 soldiers and 100,000 civilians, who has been stealing $100 million a day for 544 days?

He gave a whopping $10,000 and the networks ate it with a f*cking spoon..

http://www.bartcop.com/bu_laff33.jpg
FOX News called me "generous."

Yeah well when Bush signs a 100 million dollar contract like Kobe, or earns 15 million dollars for a movie, maybe he'll give more. I bet you don't even know how much the President makes, do you?

How much have Putin and Chirac and any other world leader given from their own pocket?

[winstoncup bronco]

What makes LABS'r the joke that he is, is that if it were Clinton, or Gore, or Kerry doing this as President, he'd have to wring out his panties saying how wonderful they are, and what great leaders they are.

[W*GS]

Yeah well when Bush signs a 100 million dollar contract like Kobe, or earns 15 million dollars for a movie, maybe he'll give more. I bet you don't even know how much the President makes, do you?

How much have Putin and Chirac and any other world leader given from their own pocket?

Don't pay attention to LABF. He prolly hasn't given a single thin dime.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah well when Bush signs a 100 million dollar contract like Kobe, or earns 15 million dollars for a movie, maybe he'll give more. I bet you don't even know how much the President makes, do you?

I bet you probably expect us all to roll over and accept your dumb "Bush's presidential salary is his only source of income" allusion, eh?

:laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Don't pay attention to LABF. He prolly hasn't given a single thin dime.

Don't pay any attention to W*GS: He lives in a "probably" world.

[MLB]

How much have you donated, LABF?

[alkemical]

I've sent $50

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just think - Team Smirk & Sneer probably spent truckloads more of your tax dollars to bribe all those small countries into joining the "coalition of the willing" than they coughed up for aid to the tsunami victims.

Republican family values in action.

[winstoncup bronco]

I bet you probably expect us all to roll over and accept your dumb "Bush's presidential salary is his only source of income" allusion, eh?

:laugh:

Typical stock answer from you, in your typical Beavis and Butthead manner.

How about answering my previous question - how much have other world leaders given from their own pockets?

And besides, you yourself have said many times that Bush is bankrupting the nation because of the war, so how come you've changed your stance and say we can give so much more, and what we've already given is only chump change?

By the way, how much has Clinton given, especially from the success of his book? I understand John Kerry had millions left over after the campaign, where did that money go? Not to Southeast Asia I'm sure.

[Spider]

I've sent $50
I wont send a freaking dime ........ stated why in other post on this thread ......

[winstoncup bronco]

I wont send a freaking dime ........ stated why in other post on this thread ......

I saw that in the paper too that day.

I donated to Save The Children. They're innocent victims, especially now with all of the kidnapping horror going on over there.

[Spider]

I saw that in the paper too that day.

I donated to Save The Children. They're innocent victims, especially now with all of the kidnapping horror going on over there.
lot of horror over there , not to mention the Woman sex slave thing they have going like in the Balkins ........
Ya got me there , I guess I have donated 50.00 to the victims then ....
I do donate to feed the Children I have met Larry Jones in Person in Okie City ... He is a damn good guy

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Typical stock answer from you, in your typical Beavis and Butthead manner.

More like a typical deflection from you, in your typical Opie and Andy manner.

How about answering my previous question - how much have other world leaders given from their own pockets?

GS already addressed this.

But the issue was how much Smirk had donated out of his own pocket.

You tried to bullsh*t us by implying that Smirk's presedential salary was his only source of income.

And besides, you yourself have said many times that Bush is bankrupting the nation because of the war, so how come you've changed your stance and say we can give so much more, and what we've already given is only chump change?

Take your Ritalin, and see my response to the previous comment.

By the way, how much has Clinton given, especially from the success of his book? I understand John Kerry had millions left over after the campaign, where did that money go? Not to Southeast Asia I'm sure.

You're "sure," eh?

Sure enough to back your conjecture with actual proof, links, etc?

[Rock Chalk]

Awesome.. a new moron!

The aid issue has more to do with our bueacracy than anything. There was very limited funding in the department that doles out aid to foreign disaster relief (I forget the acronym at this point). They actually immediatly dedicated EVERY AVAILABLE PENNY in that budget. The $350 million required a fairly large effort to allocate money from other resources which inevitably comes with lag time. It's the nature of our fiscal process.. The outside pressure had very little to do with it.

I do think that Bush dropped the ball on this (what's new?). When Florida was racked by Hurricanes he was out there with a bullhorn doing what he does best. It was politically expedient right before the election. However, after the Tsunami Bush was absolutely silent for three days. He SHOULD have been in the air on his way to Indonesia as soon as he POSSIBLY could. He should have been there, bullhorn in hand, pledging Americas support for these people. He had a chance to win the hearts and minds of these people in areas of the world important to the 'war on terror'. He failed to do that, and while America will be extremely generous (we always are)... the perception will continue to be that we simply don't care about these people in the slightest. There may be some truth to that, after all I'm not convinced our president does.

I agree that Bush should have been more immediate in his response.

But I disagree that he would have changed anyone's mind in the worldwide belief that is, about the US or us being generous and giving.

We are what we are and we are perceived how we are perceived. The two are not the same and the two will never be the same. America gives annually more money to foreign aid than all nations combined (this number includes private donations as well as governmental ones).

Someone said it on page 1, where is all the Arab rich nation aid? Indonesia is the most populated Muslim country on Earth, where is the support from their own kind?

Where is China's support? A country that relies heavily on trade from Indonesia and will lose a lot.

Look, we are the evil empire to the rest of the world. Its like we are the Yankees and we are all yankee fans but the rest of the world loves the Red Sox. Understand? Its never going to change no matter what we do. We can invent technology that will prevent disease worldwide, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless and we could solve the worlds problems one by one and attitude towards the United States will never change.

The world needs someone to hate, and until we get knocked off the pedastal, we are it.

BUT, the good news is we dont give a sh*t and will continue to help nations when they are in need in anyway that we can.

[DB-Freak]

BUT, the good news is we dont give a sh*t and will continue to help nations when they are in need in anyway that we can.

Right on.

http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/images/smilies/patriot.gif

[errand]

Yes they did deserve it , hell if you cant fight or Rebel to save yourselfs from that , then what good are you ?
if you cant fight for your Childrens future , and your own safty then you are pretty freaking worthless ..........


So seeing thousands of your countrymen being hauled away and murdered, then dumped into a mass grave wouldn't make you a tad hesistant in making waves? Odd, that you take this stance....then diss what our troops are doing in Iraq. ???

So then Spider, one could argue that if you don't plan for disaster then you to deserve it when you get hit?

Afterall everyone living in southeast Asia should know that tsunami's hit them every so often...just like people in florida know that hurricanes hit and people in the north know blizzards happen, and Californians know that earthquakes happen as well...and they do their best to be prepared for them.

[Spider]

So seeing thousands of your countrymen being hauled away and murdered, then dumped into a mass grave wouldn't make you a tad hesistant in making waves? Odd, that you take this stance....then diss what our troops are doing in Iraq. ???
Spin it anyway you want , Iraqis should have faught for their own Freedom , Nothing given is ever apreciated as somthing Earned ..... Suprised a man of your age hasnt realized that now ..... Someday you will learn .....

So then Spider, one could argue that if you don't plan for disaster then you to deserve it when you get hit?
Were was the love when we was hit ? Bastards over there wearing OBL teeshirts ..... I know you have forgiven OBL , But I havent .........

Afterall everyone living in southeast Asia should know that tsunami's hit them every so often...just like people in florida know that hurricanes hit and people in the north know blizzards happen, and Californians know that earthquakes happen as well...and they do their best to be prepared for them.
Oh well huh , too bad on them but fúckem let their buddy OBL help em out ....... I live in Wyoming , Harsh country , you can die very easy ..... Let me put this way , I have yet to meet a person that meant to get stuck or lost on the side of a mountian , but it happens , and when it does you have to be prepared ............ When I head up to the high country , I keep 2 tanks full of gas , and a jerry can full just in case , Extra blankets , con opener , and can goods , and 5 gallons of water ..... comes with the territory ......I have never been Rescued , dont want ot be either ..........

[errand]

Spin it anyway you want , Iraqis should have faught for their own Freedom , Nothing given is ever apreciated as somthing Earned ..... Suprised a man of your age hasnt realized that now ..... Someday you will learn .....

Sure the Iraqi's should free themselves....and of course the Jews should have rid the world of Hitler by themselves too? :kiddingme

...this coming from someone like you who has always defended welfare recipients. :kiddingme Perhaps you should read my signature again......

Were was the love when we was hit ? Bastards over there wearing OBL teeshirts ..... I know you have forgiven OBL , But I havent .........

There never is any love from the world when disaster hits the US spider....which is why we right wingers wonder why you leftists still wonder why we don't go to the UN more, or why you clowns continuosly want us to forge stronger alliances with those that never help us out when we are hit...specifically France and Germany.

Gee Spider...doesn't this "F-them" stance strongly contradict your supposed liberal Democrat compassionate stand on everything else like welfare and social programs? I thought you guys were the party of compassion and tolerance.

As a Christian, I'm commanded by God to forgive even my enemies...however being a Christian doesn't mean I'm perfect. I'd rather kill bin Laden and beg for God's forgiveness than forgive a man who masterminded the death of 3,000 people.

[Spider]

Sure the Iraqi's should free themselves....and of course the Jews should have rid the world of Hitler by themselves too? :kiddingme
Since when was Germany Jews homeland ??
damn errand think son

...this coming from someone like you who has always defended welfare recipients. :kiddingme Perhaps you should read my signature again......



There never is any love from the world when disaster hits the US spider....which is why we right wingers wonder why you leftists still wonder why we don't go to the UN more, or why you clowns continuosly want us to forge stronger alliances with those that never help us out when we are hit...specifically France and Germany.

Gee Spider...doesn't this "F-them" stance strongly contradict your supposed liberal Democrat compassionate stand on everything else like welfare and social programs? I thought you guys were the party of compassion and tolerance.

As a Christian, I'm commanded by God to forgive even my enemies...however being a Christian doesn't mean I'm perfect. I'd rather kill bin Laden and beg for God's forgiveness than forgive a man who masterminded the death of 3,000 people.
So let me sum up your stance .......
No Iraqi should die fighting for Freedom , thats Americas Job ....
No Free lunch and No help to down out out Familys , But lets Send Billions to Help those in a disaster , and support our enemy ......
Errand you are Far from being perfect In fact many concider you an Idiot ............
Errand you are a piece of work ..........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How much have you donated, LABF?

How much did the Motor City Kiddie Diddler give?

(I didn't see his name on that list.)

[errand]

Since when was Germany Jews homeland ??
damn errand think son

So tell me spider...if a Jew was born in in NYC, what would he be? He'd be an American right? Now stay with me on this....if a Jew was born in Germany....would that not make Germany his freaking homeland? Yeah, one of us needs to think...........


So let me sum up your stance .......
No Iraqi should die fighting for Freedom , thats Americas Job ....
No Free lunch and No help to down out out Familys , But lets Send Billions to Help those in a disaster , and support our enemy ......
Errand you are Far from being perfect In fact many concider you an Idiot ............
Errand you are a piece of work ..........

A down and out family in the US lives better than 90% of the world Spider......most still have homes, and food stamps......these people lost EVERYTHING including family members. Your giving liberals a bad name, with this complete lack of compassion for your fellow man......

The point is your double standards...it was OK to send troops in to save Muslims when Billy Jeff Jim Bob did it....but not GW. It's OK to send Africa billions to try and stop the AIDS (a proven behavioral created problem) epidemic they have....but not to people who have been wiped out by a tsunami? You weep for the people starving in Africa....but not for those in Indonesia? You do realize that bin Laden has alot of support in Africa too, don't you?

BTW, we're not sending billions, Spider.....and so tell me, where was your outrage when we sent millions to Iran when they had that earthquake a couple years ago? Why is there no outrage in the fact that we've spent over 3 trillion dollars on welfare recipients here in America. At least these Indonesian's and Sri Lankans don't rape the public coffers year after year like your career welfare recipients do.

again, wasting money is OK, as long as the president has a D by his name.

[Rascal]

How much did the Motor City Kiddie Diddler give?

(I didn't see his name on that list.)

he wasn't asking how much he gave, he was asking how much you gave. Are going to answer the question or not? I'm guessing you'll take the cowardice way and spin and deflect to Bush and republicans.