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Raider Bill
11-09-2004, 08:08 PM
From swinging state to next swinging state?

California growth patterns spell bad news for Democrats

By JIM MOHR, Staff Writer

It's an Alec Baldwin nightmare, but the numbers don't lie. California, the bastion of Democratic voters since Clinton didn't inhale, could be the swing state in 2008.
While Sen. John Kerry won the state by 10 percentage points getting about 5.5 million votes to President Bush's roughly 4.5 million his votes came from coastal counties where new growth by 2008 is expected to rise by only 1.2 million people.

Of the inland counties that voted for Kerry, Alpine, Sacramento, Imperial, Yolo and Lake, population is expected to climb by 400,000.

On the other hand, of the counties that voted for Bush 37 of the state's 58 32 were inland and expect to grow by 1.8 million people, with 900,000 of those moving into the Inland Empire.

Bush's five counties on the coast San Diego, Ventura, San Luis Obispo, Orange and Del Norte also will see a population increase of 900,000.

The tally at the end is 2.7 million new people in Republican counties and 1.6 million new folks in Democratic counties by 2008.

The other trend leaning California toward the center is the increase in voters declining to state party affiliation. In the 2000 election, only 14 percent of those registered would not state a party. Four years later, the declined-to-state number was 17 percent and could reach 20 percent by 2008.

"This is because California has a history of being an anti-party state,' said Mark Petracca, a political science professor at UC Irvine. "What's happening is that voters are replacing their political parties with candidate-centered politics. '

"The biggest, best form of this type of movement is what happened with Arnold Schwarzenneger,' Petracca said. "Even though he ran as a Republican, in truth, he could have run as a member of the black and blue party and he would have won.'

This attitude also extended to the Nov. 2 presidential election.

Redlands resident Candace Agnew voted for Bush on Tuesday. But the registered Republican could "definitely' vote for a Democratic president if he was for abortion rights, for stem-cell research and pro-war. As other Bush supporters said Friday, she "picked the lesser of two evils.'

On the other side of the political spectrum, Fred Fleckenstein comes from a long line of Democrats.

However, the last time he voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, the initials on the ballot were JFK, and they didn't belong to John Forbes Kerry.

The Victorville resident, who supports gay marriage and stem-cell research, said he would be willing to swing back again for someone "a little more conservative, and a little more in tune with moral issues (than the Democratic party).'

On Tuesday, party allegiances seemed to fall by the wayside, especially in traditional Democratic counties, such as Merced and Sacramento.

Merced County voters, which are 45 percent Democratic and 43 percent Republican, picked Bush by 14 percentage points. In Sacramento County, where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans 43 percent to 35 percent, Kerry won by just 1.2 percentage points.

What it shows is a trending toward the middle, said political science professor Thad Kousser of UC San Diego.

Silvia Rodarte, a registered Independent, agreed.

Political parties don't mean anything, Rodarte said. "What matters is what (candidates) are offering to us, their ideas.'

With 55 electoral votes at stake in 2008, Californians can expect to hear plenty of thoughts from those seeking the Oval Office, and this time the state will be the swing in the playground of presidential politics.


http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208~12588~2517102,00.html

RaiderH8r
11-10-2004, 08:51 AM
***evil laugh***

LABS is hunkering down in his mom's basement waiting for the thought police to come knocking. He doesn't understand that he is playing right into our hands. Muaaa haa ha haaaa.

Crushaholic
11-11-2004, 11:10 AM
If California finally comes into play, then the Democrats are in REAL trouble... !Booya!

Exile_In_SJ
11-11-2004, 12:35 PM
unless California changes it's anti business attitude and tightens down on illegal immigration, it's going to be in an ever sorrier position than it now is. There'll be prosperous middle class flight and an increase in the urban poor augmented by illgal immigration, in effect more people on the dole than paying taxes.

California is in huge trouble and it was guided there by the Democrats who untill Arnold, ran everything into the ground. Their only quest is to create as many entitlements as possible and try and get everyone else to pay for them.

Samiwindr
11-11-2004, 05:44 PM
Gray Davis was the first Dem governor in CA for the past 20 years moron. California Governors have traditionally been Republican.

The only reason outlying areas are being populated is because housing is cheaper. effectively, the left wingnuts are moving into these areas to make room for all of the H1 engineers that continually flood into the country. Illegal immigration is a huge problem, but it isn't going away any time soon because the agricultural industry would be dead with out it. Fact of the matter is that the standard of living is so high that car wash's, fast food restaurants, and most construction companies wouldn't exist without illegal immigration. They are definitely a drain on the health system, but they make up for it by saving industry hundreds of millions in labor costs. I'm shocked when I leave the state and still see white kids manning the McDonalds in other states.

In terms of the tech industry, companies keep all of their core tech development right here because all of the talent is here. They'll send support to Colorado or finance to Chennai, but the architecture and R&D stays here. VOIP? Here. Advanced Wi-fi? Here. Semicon Fab and EDA? Here. Next generation ERP? Here. All the gadgets your kids are dying to have? Here. Dell may build your computer in Tex-ass, but every major component is designed here (some with the assistance of yours truly). Considering that profit margins for many of these products runs upwards of 40%, there's plenty of money to stay in CA. It's the states where there isn't core competency that I feel sorry for. All those telemarketing banks, customer support centers, and manufacturing plants are all leaving the country. Even the big insurance companies are moving claims overseas. It's only a matter of time before there are no jobs in Middle America unless farming or herding is your cup of tea.

I would also like to see where the jobs will come from that are supposed to fuel growth in central California, because outside of Agriculture, there aren't any currently. Due to current state tax laws, all of the warehousing for most major manufacturers is moving to Nevada, not Cali. One of my clients just went public and is moving their campus to San Jose from Fresno so they can attract engineering talent.

For better or worse, California will remain a left leaning state for a very long time.

Rohirrim
11-11-2004, 06:23 PM
Yep. A lot of people have a funny idea about California (I'm a native). They think it's only San Francisco and LA. The state is 3/4 agriculture; probably more income derived from agriculture than any other state in the union. Who's going to pick those grapes, peaches, almonds, raisans, sugar beets, onions, radishes, lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, figs, dates, pistachios, beans, plums, oranges, lemons, limes, broccoli, cauliflower, etc. etc. etc.? You? The other thing to remember is that California was under Spanish control for a couple of hundred years (all the place-names are a tip-off). That Mexican looking guy you see walking down the street might be an illegal, or his family might have been there for 4 or 5 centuries. Ooops! Like one friend of mine used to say, "We didn't sneak across the border, the border snuck across us."

Most of my life in California was spent under GOP administrations (Reagan, Dukemejian), except for that little hiatus with Governor Moonbeam. Like most of the West (look at what Colorado just did) the people are very independent minded. Gray Davis proved to be ineffective so they threw him out and put in Arnold. If the Dems in the statehouse don't start fixing the problems, they'll get thrown out too. They're not stuck up about traditions. If they don't like something, they'll just tear it down and throw up something else. They're always willing to try something new. People in the rest of the country love to make fun of the Californians. But it seems to me that California is the place where the next new "thing" always seems to come from.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-12-2004, 03:50 AM
People in the rest of the country love to make fun of the Californians. But it seems to me that California is the place where the next new "thing" always seems to come from.

Which is exactly why the slack-jawed yokels who love GeeDubya hate CA.