Bill Clinton Gets It, But then he was a Winner.

[Kaylore]

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31816.htm

November 6, 2004 -- Former President Bill Clinton, in his first comments on President Bush's re-election, yesterday urged Democrats not to "whine" about the outcome, but to find a "clear national message."

Clinton also said that Democrat John Kerry was hurt by the polarizing issue of gay marriage, which was legalized by Massachusetts' top court and put on the ballot in 11 states, and the surfacing of a tape from Osama bin Laden in the final days of the race.

Reminded of terrorism by the bin Laden tape, voters decided they didn't want to "change horses" during a time of heightened concern over national security, Clinton said in a speech to the Urban Land Institute at the New York Hilton.

Clinton said Hispanic voters tilted to Bush because of terrorism fears, as did suburban "soccer moms," who Clinton said turned into "the security moms of 2004."

He also said that while Democrats registered more new voters than Republicans, the Bush campaign did a better job of getting voters to the polls who were already registered but had not previously voted.

Despite the GOP victory, the former president — whose wife Hillary is already being mentioned as the top contender for the White House in 2008 — said Democrats "shouldn't be all that discouraged" by Kerry's defeat.

Clinton said it would be "a mistake for our party to sit around and . . . whine about this and that or the other thing."

Clinton attributed Kerry's loss to the Democrats' failure to combat how they were portrayed by Republicans to small-town America.

"If we let people believe that our party doesn't believe in faith and family, doesn't believe in work and freedom, that's our fault," he said.

Democrats "need a clear national message, and they have to do this without one big advantage the Republicans have, which is they won't have a theological message that basically paints the other guy as evil," he said.

Clinton said the country was more divided than it was in 1968 and called for an end to the "culture war."

In his hourlong speech Clinton, who had open-heart surgery in September, gave Bush and the Republicans full credit for the election victory.

"The Republicans had a clear message, a good messenger, great organization and great strategy," he said.

Clinton said Bush should use his second term to move toward less dependence on foreign oil.

"This election presents a great opportunity for President Bush and a great opportunity for Democrats, and the two are not necessarily in conflict," he said.

The biggest opportunity he noted was the prospect of an Israeli-Palestinian peace amid the impending demise of Yasser Arafat.

Peace in the region would "take enormous steam" out of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism worldwide, Clinton said. "They would have to think of a new excuse to murder people."

While some on the left are going right back into their hate obessesion and voting conspriracy theories, my hope is that many of you lefties will look forward and try to reach across the aisle to us. Reexamine where the extremists are taking your party, let go of the hate, and come back to the table so we can work together and your party can be contenders again.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Looks like Clinton is pulling a "Dick Lamm" and trying to make some intelligent statements rather than being a party lap dog after he no longer can run for office. Hope the dems and reps take some notice and begin to bring us some good candidates so we can look forward to elections rather than dread them

[Spider]

Looks like Clinton is pulling a "Dick Lamm" and trying to make some intelligent statements rather than being a party lap dog after he no longer can run for office. Hope the dems and reps take some notice and begin to bring us some good candidates so we can look forward to elections rather than dread them
I remember Dick Lamm ..... Alot of People didnt like Clinton , but Clinton was his own man .......

[Exile_In_SJ]

Clinton is right, The far left elements of the Democrat Party need to take a chill pill. They lost and they need to let the moderates of the party take control if the Party wants to have a brighter future than a permanent minority party like the republicans were for so long.

But I bet the party doesn't take his advice and drifts even further off to the left and becomes more and more irrelevent.

[TexanBob]

I really hate agreeing with Slick but I keep going back to the Republicans in 1996. Hate won't work as a campaign theme against an incumbent. Too many Americans don't want their president trashed no matter what party he represents.

If you're going to beat an incumbent, you need better ideas instead of nastier soundbites.

[Rohirrim]

Clinton is right, The far left elements of the Democrat Party need to take a chill pill. They lost and they need to let the moderates of the party take control if the Party wants to have a brighter future than a permanent minority party like the republicans were for so long.

But I bet the party doesn't take his advice and drifts even further off to the left and becomes more and more irrelevent.

Check the mote in thine own eye. The GOP has dumped its moderates and gone hard right and then ran a campaign based on fear and smear. Oh, I forgot, the Swiftboat Liars had nothing to do with the Bush campaign. Why did the hick base run to the polls? To express their anti-gay bigotry. For every person who voted for Bush because they believe in his economic policies and pre-emptive war ideas, there were five who voted for him because their homo-phobia was stirred up.


I really hate agreeing with Slick but I keep going back to the Republicans in 1996. Hate won't work as a campaign theme against an incumbent. Too many Americans don't want their president trashed no matter what party he represents.

If you're going to beat an incumbent, you need better ideas instead of nastier soundbites.

Hate? This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

[watermock]

This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

Talk about sour grapes. Is this your LABF impression? Why not throw in a Bartcop cartoon.

Show me one quote. Talk about smear jobs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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While some on the left are going right back into their hate obessesion and voting conspriracy theories, my hope is that many of you lefties will look forward and try to reach across the aisle to us. Reexamine where the extremists are taking your party, let go of the hate, and come back to the table so we can work together and your party can be contenders again.
And I hope "you reach across the isle to us" ...........what a crock of BS. Are you the new self-appointed spokesman for all the "righties"?

[watermock]

Why should we reach across the isle to Anarchists? They are a bunch of ungrateful idiots. If they want to be Anarchists they can live in a cave with Bin Laden.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Rohirrim is coming unhinged, he needs psychological help. He's letting his hate overcome him.

[broncogary]

For every person who voted for Bush because they believe in his economic policies and pre-emptive war ideas, there were five who voted for him because their homo-phobia was stirred up.

Do you have any source for this?

[Exile_In_SJ]

from Betsys page..

sums it up quite well...

You know, for all their sense of moral superiority, the liberals are really quite immature. Look at the fetal position that many have assumed in response to the election results. Or look at the childish way that they have struck out at conservatives calling Bush supporters ignorant and bigoted. Or look at an episode like what just happened to the GOP office in Raleigh, NC. I used to pride myself that I lived in a civilized state where people were basically polite to each other no matter their ideological differences. But, that is not the case for everyone. Is this the behavior of mature citizens?
An apparent mob of vandals attacked North Carolina Republican Party headquarters late Friday, leaving behind minor smoke damage, broken windows and vulgar messages, authorities said.
A police officer reported earlier in the night that about 100 people wearing masks and gloves were walking down a street near the headquarters, Raleigh Police Capt. D.S. Overman said. The vandalism happened between 11 and 11:30 p.m., the result of an obviously "planned and orchestrated event," police spokesman Jim Sughrue said.
"This is not a political statement," Sughrue said. "A political statement is what we made Tuesday. This is a crime."
Police had detained several suspects early Saturday, but had filed no charges, Sughrue said. They were also taking steps to protect state Democratic Party offices from possible vandalism, he said.
Investigators at the scene found a partially burned, two-headed effigy in military fatigues. One head had the face of President Bush and the other the face of his failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.
They also found several spent fireworks, poster boards with slogans and spraypainted expletives on the walls. At least two windows were broken and police said it appeared as if the vandals tried to put incendiary devices inside of the building.
A few more incidents like this and I'm quite prepared to assume the attitude of moral superiority more typical of a leftist elite.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Do you have any source for this?

Of course he doesn't. He's taken to making up numbers in anyway to justify to himself on why Kerry didn't win. He's gone off the reservation in the last week.

[Exile_In_SJ]

leftists don't need proof, it's enough for them to accuse...look at the whole campaign.

[Kaylore]

And I hope "you reach across the isle to us" ...........what a crock of BS. Are you the new self-appointed spokesman for all the "righties"?
I love you. :flower:

[TexanBob]

Hate? This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

Yes, hate. Big time. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate! That was the ENTIRE Democrat platform.

Hate Bush.
Hate Ashcroft.
Hate Rumsfeld.
Hate Cheney.
Hate GOP Senators.
Hate Fox News.
Hate Rush.
Hate God.

If you weren't calling them morons, you were calling them Nazis. If you weren't calling them liars, you were calling them evil.

Full-time 24/7/365 big-tittied wall-to-wall HATE. You may not see it, but that was all Democrats offered the American people in 2004 and that's why you lost everywhere that mattered. I didn't see happy faces behind those Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I saw grumpy, mean, hostile ogres who only found joy in rubbing other people's noses in your misery. You cheered bad news from Iraq. You celebrated bad news in the economy. You high-fived each other whenever the price of oil went up and then bristled whenever somebody complained you were anti-American.

Democrats remind me of the old hag that looked kinda cute 30 years ago but now unloads on anyone within earshot about how miserable their lives are and eager to blame anyone but themselves. It's VERY unattractive and it explains why nobody wants to be around you except other miserable old hags.

America said no to your meanness and hate and now it is time to look in the mirror and find some ideas that will appeal to the mainstream rather than the fringe whackos that have taken over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

[Spider]

Hate God.
Figment of your imagination ........

over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.
Important safty tip here ..... No Right turns in Nascar ........ Thanks texan Bob we will keep that in mind .........
On another note , I have pretty much kept my mouth shut on this hate thing , but Texan look no futher then yourself ........ you are the last person here to talk about hate ............ I could list a couple more posting here just like you . you guys cry about LABF , yet turn around and do the exact same things he does , just a different message ......... you may not cut and paste , or link pictures , but the hate in your message is just the same .........

[Spider]

Basicaly clean up your own backyard before you try to clean up ours ..........

[TheDave]

Yes, hate. Big time. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate! That was the ENTIRE Democrat platform.

Hate Bush.
Hate Ashcroft.
Hate Rumsfeld.
Hate Cheney.
Hate GOP Senators.
Hate Fox News.
Hate Rush.
Hate God.

If you weren't calling them morons, you were calling them Nazis. If you weren't calling them liars, you were calling them evil.

Full-time 24/7/365 big-tittied wall-to-wall HATE. You may not see it, but that was all Democrats offered the American people in 2004 and that's why you lost everywhere that mattered. I didn't see happy faces behind those Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I saw grumpy, mean, hostile ogres who only found joy in rubbing other people's noses in your misery. You cheered bad news from Iraq. You celebrated bad news in the economy. You high-fived each other whenever the price of oil went up and then bristled whenever somebody complained you were anti-American.

Democrats remind me of the old hag that looked kinda cute 30 years ago but now unloads on anyone within earshot about how miserable their lives are and eager to blame anyone but themselves. It's VERY unattractive and it explains why nobody wants to be around you except other miserable old hags.

America said no to your meanness and hate and now it is time to look in the mirror and find some ideas that will appeal to the mainstream rather than the fringe whackos that have taken over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

I wonder if Bob has any relation to Robb... both their ramblings seem to make about the same amount of sense....

[baja]

The American people have spoken assuming the vote was not tampered with.

Bush has been given a mandate for his policies so expect more of the same.

What happens to America now is the fault of an overwhelming majority of Americans that voted fro GWB.

No one can say Bush said one thing to get elected and than did another when he got into office this time around.

For better or worse America deserves what they get these next four years.

Good Luck!

[broncogary]

The American people have spoken assuming the vote was not tampered with.

Oh, so you think LABF might be a credible source? :hitself:

[baja]

Oh, so you think LABF might be a credible source? :hitself:

What does LABF have to do with my takes?

Let me answer that for you, nothing.

[Rohirrim]

Yes, I hate Bush. I hate him because he espouses a moral platform, and yet has no morals. He is the wolf in sheep's clothing. I've actually read my Bible and I know a false prophet when I see one. "By his fruits shall you know him." Bush is the classic Philistine.

Bush wins because he scares the people. He wins because he has surrogates who he sends out to smear war heroes with lies. He has surrogates who call voters late at night to whisper, "He has a black child" or "His time in the Hanoi Hilton has left him unhinged." He has surrogates forward a Constitutional ban on gay marriage (just to get it on the front pages - it has no chance of passing), blames the ills of society on activist judges (in other words, those who stick up for the rights of the minority) then he follows that up with gay bashing amendments in each of the swing states which drive many scared evangelicals to the polls. He manipulates people's fears to get them to the polls. He parades around as a "compassionate conservative" when compassion is the last thing on his agenda, unless you're a billionaire.

Why did Jesus tell the story of the Good Samaritan over and over again? To set an example for mankind. Will Bush's free ride to the gouging drug companies comfort the elderly? Will his refusal to allow the poor to buy cheaper drugs from Canada bring healing to the sick? Will his destruction of Head Start and school lunch programs put food in the stomachs of poor children? He ran as a compassionate conservative the first time. I have yet to see any fruits of that compassion. I'm betting in four more years, I won't see any either.

Then there's the "Uniter, not divider." That one's the biggest laugher of the whole hypocritical lot.

[TexanBob]

Figment of your imagination ........

Yeah, all those people trying to scrub God from the courthouse and the schools, that's just me dreaming. Thanks for correcting me.


On another note , I have pretty much kept my mouth shut on this hate thing , but Texan look no futher then yourself ........ you are the last person here to talk about hate ............ I could list a couple more posting here just like you . you guys cry about LABF , yet turn around and do the exact same things he does , just a different message ......... you may not cut and paste , or link pictures , but the hate in your message is just the same .........

I don't hate anyone (thanks in part to the ignore feature lol). I am defending and correcting scurillous and often baseless charges made by the haters. I've said here plenty of times that what the left is saying now is not unlike what I saw from the right during the Clinton years. It didn't work when the right did it and it's not working when the left does it now.

After 1996, rather than post after post and column after column calling Americans ignorant, stupid rubes just because they voted against our guy, the Republicans realized that, to win elections again, they needed to start fresh with someone who could appeal to the middle.

Eight years later, that's what the Democrats need to do but they reject most of the level-headed members of their own party like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson and instead force hard-core leftists like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry to the forefront. The only two new Democrat senate candidates to win this year were moderates - Obama and Salazar. There's a lesson to be learned from that.

Maybe they'd rather be a minority party and be beholden to the extreme left than wise up and battle for the middle. If they don't, they'll soon pull numbers similar to the Greens and the Libertarians.

[Spider]

Yeah, all those people trying to scrub God from the courthouse and the schools, that's just me dreaming. Thanks for correcting me.
you're welcome , that just wasnt democrats doing that ....... you was dreaming alright , but then it is always easy to blame a democrat , but then I guess I should hold the right to Fawells words , that America deserved 9-11 ..... Works both ways ....... Then I could bring up Alen Keys , he has even ran as a Republican .........



I don't hate anyone (thanks in part to the ignore feature lol). I am defending and correcting scurillous and often baseless charges made by the haters. I've said here plenty of times that what the left is saying now is not unlike what I saw from the right during the Clinton years. It didn't work when the right did it and it's not working when the left does it now.
Ha! there you go again blaming the left , I dont know maybe you dont see it , but it is evedent in your , exile , errand's post ...... you guys have some serious issues .........

After 1996, rather than post after post and column after column calling Americans ignorant, stupid rubes just because they voted against our guy, the Republicans realized that, to win elections again, they needed to start fresh with someone who could appeal to the middle.
you dont like the hate huh , well now you know how the left felt when the right went after Clinton , I have seen your postings about Hillary , and the woman has never done anything to you ...... What I am saying is stop being so self rightious and point your own finger at yourself while you are on your soap box preaching a hollier then thou sermon , yet doing the same thing .......

Eight years later, that's what the Democrats need to do but they reject most of the level-headed members of their own party like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson and instead force hard-core leftists like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry to the forefront. The only two new Democrat senate candidates to win this year were moderates - Obama and Salazar. There's a lesson to be learned from that.
Ilove how you leave the govenorships out of the dialouge ..... The Democrats have Problems , we will fix it , but thanks for your concern about our great party ......

Maybe they'd rather be a minority party and be beholden to the extreme left than wise up and battle for the middle. If they don't, they'll soon pull numbers similar to the Greens and the Libertarians.
Ha! you mean the Republican Party just 24 years ago Hilarious! ......

[TheDave]

I don't hate anyone (thanks in part to the ignore feature lol). I am defending and correcting scurillous and often baseless charges made by the haters.


This is beautiful now Bob is declaring he is a Uniter... rofl

[Spider]

This is beautiful now Bob is declaring he is a Uniter... rofl
LOL ...... yeah ..... I was laughing ......

[broncogary]

Will Bush's free ride to the gouging drug companies comfort the elderly? Will his refusal to allow the poor to buy cheaper drugs from Canada bring healing to the sick? Will his destruction of Head Start and school lunch programs put food in the stomachs of poor children? He ran as a compassionate conservative the first time.

Yes, he ran as a compassionate conservative, not as a compassionate communist.

[Spider]

Yes, he ran as a compassionate conservative, not as a compassionate communist.
compassionate conservative =We bomb you , then we feed you ;D

[TexanBob]

Yes, I hate Bush.

So, you are proving my point. And that hate is what comes through in so many posts by people from the left. It drowns out the points you wish to make and turns off as many as might be persuaded by you.

Look, I hated Clinton too (Bill more than Hillary - I never really understood the visceral reaction some have to her, I just see her as a proxy for Bill) but I know why Bush didn't go after all the Clinton gang's crimes (looting Air Force One, vandalizing White House offices, issuing pardons on very questionable grounds etc.). Bush didn't want to fight that war. He just wanted to bury the whole thing and move on. You don't know how many haters on the right wanted him to "get back" at the Clintons but he chose not to. Sounds compassionate to me.

I don't think Bush is any more a fearmonger than those on the left who claim that Republicans want to kill the elderly, starve children, end Social Security, burn black churches, beat up gays, force women back to the kitchen, eliminate overtime, etc. Do you not think those charges are fearmongering? Do you not think those comments are meant to engender hatred?

But there is a real enemy out there that threatens us and it is radical Islamists such as al Qaeda. Sometimes, I think the left forgets that they killed 3,000 Americans in one day and threaten to do it again. Maybe the left thinks it was all just a Karl Rove-inspired publicity stunt but it really happened and I'm gladly we have a leader who is willing to do what he can to keep it from happening again.

[baja]

(Earlier post) Bob was not himself when he typed that. You see just hours ago he was at a party and he and his fellow Texans were bobbing for french fries. and his head covered in Vasoline is cloging his thinking.

[TexanBob]

I have seen your postings about Hillary , and the woman has never done anything to you .

Excuse me?? Please point to where I have attacked Hillary other than to say I don't want her to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in a Kerry presidency.

I've said plenty about Bill but I've generally left Hillary alone (unless you just assumed when I said "Cliinton", you thought I meant her instead of him).

Ha! you mean the Republican Party just 24 years ago Hilarious! ......

You mean, pre-Reagan? Yes, that is applicable. During most of the 1960s and 1970s, they had no real power but the divide between the two parties wasn't as wide then as it is now. In fact, more Republicans voted for civil rights bills back then than Democrats did.

[enjolras]

C'mon.. there is huge amounts of name-calling and hate from both sides. For the love of god, Bush supporters willfully participated in a grade-A smear campaign on a damn war hero (which has been almost entirely debunked)... I'm really tired of each side projecting traits onto the other. If you listen to one side of the other bitch, they always say the same things. Always accuse each other of the same things. At some point it would be comical if it wasn't ripping the country apart..

[enjolras]

But there is a real enemy out there that threatens us and it is radical Islamists such as al Qaeda. Sometimes, I think the left forgets that they killed 3,000 Americans in one day and threaten to do it again. Maybe the left thinks it was all just a Karl Rove-inspired publicity stunt but it really happened and I'm gladly we have a leader who is willing to do what he can to keep it from happening again.

This is exactly the problem. What you just posted is EXACTLY what everyone is talking about. Do you really think for one second that 50+ million Americans have forgotten about 9/11? Do you really think they don't recognize the danger? C'mon.. just because they support a different method of dealing with it doesn't mean that they are so heartless, cowardly, or stupid not to care. Wake up...

[TomServo]

said B4 i didnt care for bill clinton and never understood his appeal to "regular folks". how the hell a guy could never have an honest job in his life connect to working pple is beyond me. but yet he did.

so what do the dems do after being beat by GW the first time? they go and nominate another northern lib. i can just see and hope terry macaulife stays on another 4 years and we see a hillary run in '08.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

said B4 i didnt care for bill clinton and never understood his appeal to "regular folks". how the hell a guy could never have an honest job in his life connect to working pple is beyond me. but yet he did.


Honest jobs don't mean too much apparently, evidenced by the current occupier.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes, I hate Bush. I hate him because he espouses a moral platform, and yet has no morals. He is the wolf in sheep's clothing. I've actually read my Bible and I know a false prophet when I see one. "By his fruits shall you know him." Bush is the classic Philistine.

Bush wins because he scares the people. He wins because he has surrogates who he sends out to smear war heroes with lies. He has surrogates who call voters late at night to whisper, "He has a black child" or "His time in the Hanoi Hilton has left him unhinged." He has surrogates forward a Constitutional ban on gay marriage (just to get it on the front pages - it has no chance of passing), blames the ills of society on activist judges (in other words, those who stick up for the rights of the minority) then he follows that up with gay bashing amendments in each of the swing states which drive many scared evangelicals to the polls. He manipulates people's fears to get them to the polls. He parades around as a "compassionate conservative" when compassion is the last thing on his agenda, unless you're a billionaire.

Why did Jesus tell the story of the Good Samaritan over and over again? To set an example for mankind. Will Bush's free ride to the gouging drug companies comfort the elderly? Will his refusal to allow the poor to buy cheaper drugs from Canada bring healing to the sick? Will his destruction of Head Start and school lunch programs put food in the stomachs of poor children? He ran as a compassionate conservative the first time. I have yet to see any fruits of that compassion. I'm betting in four more years, I won't see any either.

Then there's the "Uniter, not divider." That one's the biggest laugher of the whole hypocritical lot.

The reason that the Christian masses voted primarily for Bush is because his platform included issues that are important to them. Christians are generally concerned about "feeding the poor" and providing social programs like the Democrats advertise, but do not agree with their methods or moral platform.

As a Christian Benevolence worker, I strongly agree that incentive is needed for people to contribute to bear the burdens of those who are in need for whatever reason. People just don't want to let go of their money or influence and that hurts that cause significantly. Bush has addressed this issue in a way with his Faith-Based Initiative program which has it's warts, but is at least a promising solution. I trust his genuine approach to this program because he came into our benevolence ministry (which is a model and pretty successful) and sought prayer, advisement and counselfrom our director personally a few times while he was putting the program together. This shows me in a personal way that he is concerned about real issues of faith and has not forgotten (like the Democrats) and insulted the intelligence of Christians in America.

A Christian who is honest in their faith usually does not prescribe to the social darwinist paradigm, and therefore has difficulty sympathizing with pharmaceuticals or any other big business money-mongering because their values are not generally (should not be) materialistic. But, it is a reasonable trade for a Christian to allow a leader a certain amount of leeway (as long as it is not hitler-esque) as long as he continues to hold the values that they have appreciated in America for so long to be respected. Democrats in general have forsaken the Christian voter and replaced them with the naturalist, the relativist, the anarchist, etc. Their values are extreme and have alienated the Christian. It is hard for a Christian (who seeks social excellence, equality, respectfulness, kindness, self-control,brotherly love, etc.) to continually be bombarded with offensive television, offensive material in public schools, disregard for morality (which under a better definition is the seeking of personal and social excellence), desregard of the family unit (divorce and adultery are considered norms, gay 'marriage' is considered a respectable thing and satisfactory as an influence on children), and abortion.
Whether the left agrees with these things or not, they are going to have to start addressing them or they will move to the fringe and they are not going to let that happen. If the Dems today addressed Christian values, denounced abortion, gay marriage, etc., there would be no competition in the election. There would always be a democrat in office. It strains me to understand why the party has drifted so far. It's time for change. Bush has met more of the needs of the masses, and so he is the recipient of the overwhelming majority of popular votes.

[Kaylore]

Great post angry llama. I think you touched on an issue that explains things. I believe that the left lost the south and heartland of America because they don't understand them. Many of those upset over the loss are saying that all the Bush supporters are stupid homophobe Bible thumping hicks, and Bush just fooled them this time. The fact that many think this is what Red America is is exactly why they have trouble connecting to them. They just don't know or understand who they're talking too.

[Rohirrim]

Here goes another "Blame the Dems for Hollywood" post. Perhaps you'd like to outline for us the deep morals found in the average Schwarzenegger movie? Also, to me, there is a spiritual continuity in standing against abortion and the death penalty. And yet I see so many Christians who are fervently against abortion, but just love the death penalty. What kind of "moral value" is that?

Do you really believe that contained within that 49% of voters who went thumbs down on Bush, that there are no Christians - and devout Christians at that? Many realize that the battles will be won via the ministry to the man on the street, not through a bunch of grand-standing hypocrites in Washington.

[patteeu]

Yes, hate. Big time. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate! That was the ENTIRE Democrat platform.

Hate Bush.
Hate Ashcroft.
Hate Rumsfeld.
Hate Cheney.
Hate GOP Senators.
Hate Fox News.
Hate Rush.
Hate God.

If you weren't calling them morons, you were calling them Nazis. If you weren't calling them liars, you were calling them evil.

Full-time 24/7/365 big-tittied wall-to-wall HATE. You may not see it, but that was all Democrats offered the American people in 2004 and that's why you lost everywhere that mattered. I didn't see happy faces behind those Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I saw grumpy, mean, hostile ogres who only found joy in rubbing other people's noses in your misery. You cheered bad news from Iraq. You celebrated bad news in the economy. You high-fived each other whenever the price of oil went up and then bristled whenever somebody complained you were anti-American.

Democrats remind me of the old hag that looked kinda cute 30 years ago but now unloads on anyone within earshot about how miserable their lives are and eager to blame anyone but themselves. It's VERY unattractive and it explains why nobody wants to be around you except other miserable old hags.

America said no to your meanness and hate and now it is time to look in the mirror and find some ideas that will appeal to the mainstream rather than the fringe whackos that have taken over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

The lefties are going to squeal about this one. It's tough to be called out when you know, deep down, that the accusations are right on target.

[patteeu]

Yes, I hate Bush. I hate him because he espouses a moral platform, and yet has no morals. He is the wolf in sheep's clothing. I've actually read my Bible and I know a false prophet when I see one. "By his fruits shall you know him." Bush is the classic Philistine.

Bush wins because he scares the people. He wins because he has surrogates who he sends out to smear war heroes with lies. He has surrogates who call voters late at night to whisper, "He has a black child" or "His time in the Hanoi Hilton has left him unhinged." He has surrogates forward a Constitutional ban on gay marriage (just to get it on the front pages - it has no chance of passing), blames the ills of society on activist judges (in other words, those who stick up for the rights of the minority) then he follows that up with gay bashing amendments in each of the swing states which drive many scared evangelicals to the polls. He manipulates people's fears to get them to the polls. He parades around as a "compassionate conservative" when compassion is the last thing on his agenda, unless you're a billionaire.

Why did Jesus tell the story of the Good Samaritan over and over again? To set an example for mankind. Will Bush's free ride to the gouging drug companies comfort the elderly? Will his refusal to allow the poor to buy cheaper drugs from Canada bring healing to the sick? Will his destruction of Head Start and school lunch programs put food in the stomachs of poor children? He ran as a compassionate conservative the first time. I have yet to see any fruits of that compassion. I'm betting in four more years, I won't see any either.

Then there's the "Uniter, not divider." That one's the biggest laugher of the whole hypocritical lot.

You forgot the seemingly obligatory reference to Hitler or Nazism.

[Rascal]

Here goes another "Blame the Dems for Hollywood" post. Perhaps you'd like to outline for us the deep morals found in the average Schwarzenegger movie? Also, to me, there is a spiritual continuity in standing against abortion and the death penalty. And yet I see so many Christians who are fervently against abortion, but just love the death penalty. What kind of "moral value" is that?

Do you really believe that contained within that 49% of voters who went thumbs down on Bush, that there are no Christians - and devout Christians at that? Many realize that the battles will be won via the ministry to the man on the street, not through a bunch of grand-standing hypocrites in Washington.

Schwarzenegger won in California not the heartland or south and obviously won based upon his celebrity status not because of his values or policies. That is a dumbass statement.

Where in that post did he plame democratic celebs? Do you really believe that it wasn't the conservative religious core that won the election for Bush?

He gives you a reason why and you ridicule it. Just because you don't like the facts does not make the facts wrong.

Hell, if it wasn't for Kerry's strong pro-abortion stance and several other issues that were Christian related I would have voted for him. But IMO the moral issues outweighed those other issues and probably did for a majority of Americans.

[football idiot]

death penalty: punished the guilty, hopefully.

abortion: destroys innocent life. always.

there is a difference. huge. its one thing to believe a murderer or rapist can be forgiven. it's another to think society should set them free or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars keeping them locked up so they can torment, attack, and violate other lesser criminals who will be released back into the real world forever scarred by their 'rehabilitation'.