Bush Agenda a Pipe Dream or Nightmare?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Same thing, just a different day. He promises all these changes with no plan to pay for them. He doesn't seem to have a clue about addition and subtraction when it comes to our money!

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Bush 2nd-Term Agenda Would Add Big Costs
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - With federal deficits already running amok, it is unclear how President Bush (news - web sites) will pay for his second-term agenda, a potentially multitrillion-dollar smorgasbord that includes overhauling Social Security (news - web sites) and revamping the tax system.

Bush laid out lofty goals Thursday at his first news conference since his Election Day triumph. He said he wanted to buttress Social Security, simplify the tax system, strengthen the economy, fight terrorism, bolster education, and battle AIDS (news - web sites) and poverty abroad.


"I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," the president said.

But all the political capital in the world won't pay for his pricey priorities. And unlike four years ago, when his first term began amid projections for $5.6 trillion in federal surpluses over the next decade, the budget's future looks bleak.

Thanks to recession and the burden of higher spending and tax cuts that Bush won, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (news - web sites) now sees $2.3 trillion in accumulated deficits over the next 10 years. That excludes the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites), easing the alternative minimum tax's growing burden on middle-class families, and the long-term crunch retiring baby boomers will place on federal support programs like Medicare.

That leaves deficit hawks wondering how Bush would pay for his second-term wish list, finance the wars and meet his goal of halving federal shortfalls by 2009.

"I don't think you can do all of that and still cut the deficit in half in five years," said Robert Bixby, executive director of the bipartisan Concord Coalition, which favors deficit reduction.

Bush could decide to simply borrow the needed money, which would drive deficits higher, "and the real economic consequences of such a binge would come after he leaves office," Bixby said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_sticker_shock

[Exile_In_SJ]

it's all opinion. Why not offer more choices, like it's Realistic, or it's the right course?

I understand your guy lost, but that's the breaks.

George W Bush, President of the United States of America.

[Garcia Bronco]

"With federal deficits already running amok, it is unclear how President Bush (news - web sites) will pay for his second-term agenda, a potentially multitrillion-dollar smorgasbord that includes overhauling Social Security (news - web sites) and revamping the tax system. "

Doesn't matter if we can "pay for it" or not...these things need to be fixed. Nothing has been done about it. Hopefully congress, you know...the people that vote these things, before sending it to the President will get it done. But we shouldn't sit here and not do anything and throw our hands up in the air and say "We Can't".

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"With federal deficits already running amok, it is unclear how President Bush (news - web sites) will pay for his second-term agenda, a potentially multitrillion-dollar smorgasbord that includes overhauling Social Security (news - web sites) and revamping the tax system. "

Doesn't matter if we can "pay for it" or not...these things need to be fixed. Nothing has been done about it. Hopefully congress, you know...the people that vote these things, before sending it to the President will get it done. But we shouldn't sit here and not do anything and throw our hands up in the air and say "We Can't".
It sure does matter who's going to pay for "these" things. Ask any responsible congressman how much it matters. And this is Bush's agenda he is going to try and implement not nothing that a bi-partisan congress is coming up with to send to Bush.

And who said something can't be done? I'm asking HOW is it going to be done and so are a lot of republican congressmen along with millions of other Americans. The same question that's been asked for 4 years now without an answer.

[Kaylore]

Nice options. See this is the attitude that is killing your party. He's more likely to get his agenda done because now he has a mandate and that translates into political clout...so does the congressional majority.

[bendog]

How do you get the agenda done if the dollars aren't there? He can of course print more dollars, which is what he appears to "have in mind." But that will have ramifications for wage earners. And the concord foundation isn't "libral."

[Spider]

I offered to pay off the national Debt , but they wouldnt take a personal check ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Nice options. See this is the attitude that is killing your party. He's more likely to get his agenda done because now he has a mandate and that translates into political clout...so does the congressional majority.
Are you hard of hearing? My party wasn't represented in this election. I voted for a person not a party line like you and millions of others apparently did.
Do you have anything constructive to add to the topic or just more Bushspeak?

[Rohirrim]

All he's got to do is get the GOP Congress to bump up the debt ceiling a couple of times and he should be able to pull off his agenda.

[bendog]

chuckle.

For starters it looks as if current workers will invest 4% of wages and aside from the return on that the max soc sec benefit will be 120% the poverty line. That'd be fine with me, but from what I can see on transition costs, BushII admits it'll cost .9TRILLION dollars.

there's a link to the pdf file at the bottom of the attached link
http://www.csss.gov/

[bendog]

All he's got to do is get the GOP Congress to bump up the debt ceiling a couple of times and he should be able to pull off his agenda.
better rates on tax free munis and tbills (-:

but the reality of his overall economic plan is to avoid the inflation inherent in his over supply of dollars by not increasing wages to the tune of productivity increases. The result will be less buying power in each dollar with workers wages showing decreases as more % of total dollars goes to capital (stock/bond holders), so their take of the pie will grow.

unfortunately, the democrats offered nothing better. imo, anyway.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Analysts Call Outlook for Bush Plan Bleak
Too Much Deficit, Not Enough Revenue
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 5, 2004; Page A08

President Bush signaled yesterday that he would add personal investment accounts to the Social Security system, simplify the tax code without raising taxes and cut the budget deficit in half, all before he leaves office in 2009.

Ambitious as those promises are, they may be mathematically impossible, budget and policy analysts say.

"It doesn't seem like we're going to see any tightness in U.S. budget policy anytime soon," said Rebecca Patterson, senior currency strategist at Wall Street giant JPMorgan Chase.

Bush pledged early this year to halve the deficit in five years, a promise he renewed yesterday. "I would suggest [deficit hawks] look at our budget that we've submitted to Congress, which does, in fact, get the deficit down, cut in half in five years," Bush said.

But in an independent analysis of that budget, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded it would not fulfill that promise. The deficit in fiscal 2004, which ended Sept. 30, was $413 billion. Under Bush's plan for spending and taxes, the deficit would be $258 billion in 2009. If anything, that may understate the size of the deficit in coming years because it does not include any additional costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Pentagon is expected to seek an additional $70 billion early next year.

Moreover, the president's budget does not include the cost of a Social Security reform plan that includes the personal investment accounts Bush is demanding. Under such a plan, workers would be allowed to divert one-third or more of their share of Social Security taxes into stocks, bonds or other investments.

Because the diverted money would otherwise have gone to existing Social Security beneficiaries, the funds would have to be made up through additional government borrowing or spending cuts. A CBO analysis of one of the plans drafted by Bush's Social Security commission concluded the near-term cost would be $104.5 billion in 2005, rising to $146.6 billion in 2009.

"It's all nice to propose personal accounts, to say you're not going to cut benefits for retirees, but then you've got to make the tough choices," said Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.), a proponent of overhauling Social Security. "You have to accept short-term transition costs that are going to hit the budget deficit. It's just a matter of being responsible."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26458-2004Nov4.html?nav=hcmodule

[baja]

Bush will play to rough with his new toy, the United States of America and break it.

[Raider Bill]

The Concorde Coalition can kiss my hairy beanbag. Since we've gone off the gold standard the only thing monetizing the US dollar is DEBT. Banks settle up with each other using US Treasuries (DEBT instraments). If we could magicly pay off the entire national debt tomorrow, it would be a disaster. It's a shell game the taxpayer cannot win. The government takes more of your cash to run the surplus and then takes your savings bonds and the like and liquidates them.

Without debt, to prevent disasterous DEFLATION of our currency the government would have to buy up non public(private) assets. The last time I checked that was called SOCIALISM (gov't ownership of the means of production)

[Exile_In_SJ]

Bush will play to rough with his new toy, the United States of America and break it.



Just wondering what you base this opinion on? He has had the country for 4 years and it's humming along fine now.. I don't see him breaking it at all, In fact i see him strengthening it. So do the majority of the people.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Because the diverted money would otherwise have gone to existing Social Security beneficiaries, the funds would have to be made up through additional government borrowing or spending cuts"

Oh there will be some spending cuts....don't worry.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The Concorde Coalition can kiss my hairy beanbag. Since we've gone off the gold standard the only thing monetizing the US dollar is DEBT. Banks settle up with each other using US Treasuries (DEBT instraments). If we could magicly pay off the entire national debt tomorrow, it would be a disaster. It's a shell game the taxpayer cannot win. The government takes more of your cash to run the surplus and then takes your savings bonds and the like and liquidates them.

Without debt, to prevent disasterous DEFLATION of our currency the government would have to buy up non public(private) assets. The last time I checked that was called SOCIALISM (gov't ownership of the means of production)

Typical of a raider fan. totally ignorant. The gold standard was much more artificial than valuation agains the world currency. Gold is just a rock. Just like a raider fan's head.

[baja]

correction, it's a pretty rock

[Spider]

Typical of a raider fan. totally ignorant. The gold standard was much more artificial than valuation agains the world currency. Gold is just a rock. Just like a raider fan's head.
Ha! ....... I like this guy ... Smacking Raider fan with a Hammer ........

[Spider]

correction, it's a pretty rock
pretty expencive rock .........

[baja]

Spider, man I finally found some one that is a worse speller than me. :crazy:

[Spider]

Spider, man I finally found some one that is a worse speller than me. :crazy:
Thanks ........ Huked on fonic wurked fur me

[baja]

I know what ya mean, I was hooked on fornication too bro

[Spider]

I know what ya mean, I was hooked on fornication too bro
LOL ....... That was good .......

[baja]

I knew you would like that. :)

[Spider]

I still cant rep you on that one yet ........

[Raider Bill]

Typical of a raider fan. totally ignorant. The gold standard was much more artificial than valuation agains the world currency. Gold is just a rock. Just like a raider fan's head.



That doesnt change the fact that our currency is monetized with debt. If there was no debt for the banks to buy then you're accounts wouldn't be backed by the full faith and credit of the US government.

Also every nation on the earth recognizes gold as a commodity with a certain value that remains relatively stable. I'd rather be holding an ounce of gold than a thousand Afghan puls or whatever the hell they're called.


B

[Raider Bill]

Here's Greenspan's testimony. Now you tell me what happens at zero debt and what does that say about how our currency is monetized now.


Should the redeemable debt be paid off and the surpluses continue to mount, the U.S. government would have to buy a large amount of private assets. "Such an accumulation would make the federal government a significant factor in our nation's capital markets and would risk a significant distortion in the allocation of capital," he said.

Greenspan cautioned that private asset accumulation may have to begin well before the federal debt reaches zero. There are more than $750,000 million in outstanding securities that cannot be bought back and that do not mature before 2011, he said.

[Needa Pass Rush]

My understanding is Bush is going to repeal all tax cuts on those making less then 200k. He has also proposed a 100% income tax on the michael Moore and Bruce Springsteins of the world. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[watermock]

Actually, it was the liberal media that claimed Bush lost the debates. They pulled the same stunt on exit polls. He clearly lost the first, barely lost the second, and the third was a tie or win.

[Play2win]

Bush has Bankrupted every company he has ever owned. Bush is now going to Bankrupt this nation. Count on it. It will be just another FAILURE that Bush can notch on his big board.

[Play2win]

Bush will play to rough with his new toy, the United States of America and break it.
yep!

I swear, almost all or the dumb-arses in the USA are republicans. Now I am not saying every republican is an arse, because that isn't true. There are some smart and a few very smart republicans. Its just that, of all the dumb-arses out there, 90% of them are republicans. Thats why they won the election, The Dumb-Arse Vote. They just vote that way because they don't know any better. Oh, well, Ignorance (and being a dumb-arse) is bliss.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They just vote that way because they don't know any better. Oh, well, Ignorance (and being a dumb-arse) is bliss.

True that is.

Those people who actually voted for four more years of Mad Cowboy Disease are either frightfully stupid or they're suffering from some sort of mass psychosis.

[bendog]

Here's Greenspan's testimony. Now you tell me what happens at zero debt and what does that say about how our currency is monetized now.


Should the redeemable debt be paid off and the surpluses continue to mount, the U.S. government would have to buy a large amount of private assets. "Such an accumulation would make the federal government a significant factor in our nation's capital markets and would risk a significant distortion in the allocation of capital," he said.

Greenspan cautioned that private asset accumulation may have to begin well before the federal debt reaches zero. There are more than $750,000 million in outstanding securities that cannot be bought back and that do not mature before 2011, he said.

I'd agree with Greenspan more if privately held debt was still being paid off.
see table 11
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1821&sequence=0#table11

[Rohirrim]

Have you heard the one about how China is peddling our note? This ought to be good. What better way to ensure you get first crack at the oil supply than to devalue the dollar? I'm sure that Bush's old buddies, the Saudis, will still stick with him even when the yen is worth more than the dollar. Right?

[bendog]

no. I saw they upped their money rate, but nothing since.

[Rohirrim]

no. I saw they upped their money rate, but nothing since.

It was on NPR this morning. Our note is being shopped to a cut-rate broker. rofl We've been marked down! We're headed for the bargain rack.

[bendog]

Rates will go up. That is good for people who have assets greater than debts, and especially those with LOTS more assets. Next Bushii will take aim at the "death tax."

[Raider Bill]

If China gets their currency unhinged from ours and lets it float (like it sounds like they are going to do), cheap **** made in China becomes more expensive and domestic manufactured goods become cheaper relatively.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It was on NPR this morning. Our note is being shopped to a cut-rate broker. rofl We've been marked down! We're headed for the bargain rack.

This is what happens when people vote to let the dumbest/drunkest guy in the class drive the bus.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That PIPA study is about absolute ignorance.

For instance, they say:

Three in four say if Iraq did not have WMD or support al Qaeda, US should not have gone to war...yet Bush voters backed him because they thought both instances were true.

This is what Franken and Consaon have been talking about for days on AAR.

They said:

"We like Bush because he caught Saddam, the guy behind 9-11."
"We like Bush because he found and destroyed the WMDs Iraq had."
"We like Bush because he's good with the environment and he balanced the budget."

A big reason Bush won is because Bush supporters are stupid enough to listen to (and believe) talk radio and crazy whores like FOX News, who deliberately sell lies to help the president.

The other networks refuse to call FOX on their lies, and we have Bush as President as a result.

The more stupid and ignorant people are, the more power Bush gets.

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rove's Revenge

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/opinion/07dowd.html?oref=login&hp

Just how much did Karl Rove hate not being one of the cool guys in high school in the 60's? Enough to hatch schemes to marshal the forces of darkness to take over the country? Oh, yeah. A supporter of Nixon against Kennedy at 9, the teenage Karl was, in his description, "a big nerd," a small guy with a pocket protector, briefcase, and glasses almost as big as his head.

Even as a high school debater in Salt Lake City, "Rove didn't just want to win; he wanted the opponents destroyed," write James Moore and Wayne Slater in "Bush's Brain." "He would defeat them, slaughter them and humiliate them."

[watermock]

Spider, man I finally found some one that is a worse speller than me. :crazy:

I don't have to check my spelling when I'm mid rant. Plus, I'm a known traffic menance so I am used to misspelling my name and address along with new SS numbers.

[watermock]

Have you heard the one about how China is peddling our note? This ought to be good. What better way to ensure you get first crack at the oil supply than to devalue the dollar? I'm sure that Bush's old buddies, the Saudis, will still stick with him even when the yen is worth more than the dollar. Right?

I hate to break this to everyone, but the deficiets run up have nothing compared to other nations buying US Securities. Raising rates has nothing to do with controling inflation. It's actually inflationary till you kill the economy. It will be to stabilize the economy. Our enemy's want the global currency to become the EU. I'm sorry to break the news, but they want a European currency. I know what is going on. Even China and Europe are playing with it, and the driving force has been the great satan giving them money thru oil for the past 30 years.

The interest rate will have to be raised on Wednesday not to control inflation, but to stabilize the dollar. We are in debt up to our assholes. And it's because of Oil. I have been screaming for more Nuclear Power, we have missle pointing every which way and act like we are going to die from new, safe plants that only produce steam, not carbon monxide.

Continue your delusions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Newsflash for ordinary Repubs and born-agains: Bush doesn't care about you, either

This just in: Millions of moderate Republicans and gay-terrified evangelical Christians and intellectually numbed conservative parents who thought they were doing some sort of good by blindly voting for Dubya and hence protecting their wee ones from swarthy Islamic evildoers who want to steal their kids' Kraft Lunchables and nuke Disneyland, all should be emerging from a deep fog of savage denial any minute now.

Wake, they will, to the increasingly obvious fact that their beloved smirkin' president, the one who seemed to care about them so deeply just a couple weeks ago and who reached out to them and promised them the gun-happy gay-unfriendly moon in exchange for full access to their civil rights and a blank check to do whatever the hell he likes, he apparently doesn't give a damn about them. Not anymore.

The truth will soon be hitting much of the conservative nation like a redneck smacks a dog: Now that the fear-saturated red states have handed this failed oilman four more unrestrained years to do his dirtiest deeds and a deeply contaminated, well-greased congress to do it with, he no longer needs their support and he couldn't care less about their "moral values" or their positions on Social Security reform or the war in Iraq or just what the hell he meant about spending the "political capital" he claims he's earned by winning the election by the slimmest margin of any incumbent president in history.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=%2Fgate%2Farchive%2F2004%2F11%2F1 0%2Fnotes111004.DTL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Insurgents pop up all over Iraq... while the battle is in Fallujah

12 November 2004

The US has been forced to pull troops out of Fallujah to fight growing insurgency in other Iraqi cities, it emerged today.

An entire light armoured brigade has been sent to bolster US forces in Mosul, Iraq's third largest city, after insurgents stormed police stations and looted weapons, ammunition and body armour.

They are also said to have seized five bridges across the Tigris and have been seen riding through the streets waving their guns in blatant shows of force.

Violence has also erupted in the "Sunni triangle" west of Baghdad with ambushes and bombings in Tikrit, Kirkuk, Hawija, Samarra and Ramadi, 30 miles west of Fallujah.

US commanders believe rebel leaders fled Fallujah before the American assault and are organising the counter-attacks.

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/14667064?source=Evening%20Standard

[W*GS]

Those people who actually voted for four more years of Mad Cowboy Disease are either frightfully stupid or they're suffering from some sort of mass psychosis.

Now there's a belief and an attitude that's guaranteed to help your ideology.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Now there's a belief and an attitude that's guaranteed to help your ideology.

Weak!

(Especially coming from a BushCorp/GOP sycophant who puts ideology before the good of the country every single time.)

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[W*GS]

Weak!

Right on target.

(Especially coming from a BushCorp/GOP sycophant who puts ideology before the good of the country every single time.)

What do you care about the "good of the country", since it's full of "frightfully stupid" and/or psychotic people, as you've claimed.

Besides, if I was a Bush sycophant, why did I vote for Kerry?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Besides, if I was a Bush sycophant, why did I vote for Kerry?

You voted for Kerry?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush Agenda a Pipe Dream or Nightmare?

Good question.

Let's see what some of Smirk's fellow repubs have to say:

Conservatives to GOP moderates: Get out of our party

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/111504dnnatgop.495d0.html

A win doesn't mean that all is well in the Republican Party.

Though their candidate came out ahead on Nov. 2, some moderate Republicans are as despondent as Democrats. While Christian conservatives have been credited with turning out like-minded voters in crucial swing states, many moderates say they have been marginalized.

"There is no future for moderate and progressive Republicans in the Republican Party," said Jim Scarantino, president of the centrist GOP group Mainstream 2004. "The far right wing and the fanatics have seized control."

Mr. Scarantino isn't sure where his brand of Republican politics fits into the GOP. Some Christian conservatives say it doesn't.

"If they can't agree and support the president and the platform, then they ought to go over to the Democrats," said Jan LaRue, chief counsel for the conservative group Concerned Women for America.

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[W*GS]

You voted for Kerry?

Shore did.

Does that make your wee brain go "ka-poof"?

[patteeu]

Shore did.

Does that make your wee brain go "ka-poof"?

Why on earth did you do that? If it's true, I'm honestly curious.

[W*GS]

Why on earth did you do that? If it's true, I'm honestly curious.

I couldn't vote for Bush, but I knew Kerry wouldn't win Colorado, so it was a no-lose proposition. I suppose I coulda voted for the Libertarian, but what the heck.

[patteeu]

I couldn't vote for Bush, but I knew Kerry wouldn't win Colorado, so it was a no-lose proposition. I suppose I coulda voted for the Libertarian, but what the heck.

Gotcha. I would have gone Libertarian under those circumstances, but the way my mind read post #53 was well worth seeing you tarnish yourself with this admission. ;)

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Sometimes on these internet BBs I wonder things like "if two people like W*GS and LABF met each other in real life, what are the odds they'd hit it off and become friends?" It's always easier to go at each other relentlessly when masked by the relative anonymity of the internet, but I bet LABF is a pretty decent guy in real life (as I'm sure you are as well**).

** for Broncos fans, that is. ;D

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[enjolras]

Badnarick needed some love man:)

[W*GS]

Gotcha. I would have gone Libertarian under those circumstances, but the way my mind read post #53 was well worth seeing you tarnish yourself with this admission. ;)

I've "gone Libertarian" most other elections, but this time I just wasn't as interested. I used to be hardcore Libertarian (even belonged to the Party for some years) but 9/11 changed my views on their views on a number of issues.


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Sometimes on these internet BBs I wonder things like "if two people like W*GS and LABF met each other in real life, what are the odds they'd hit it off and become friends?" It's always easier to go at each other relentlessly when masked by the relative anonymity of the internet, but I bet LABF is a pretty decent guy in real life (as I'm sure you are as well**).

** for Broncos fans, that is. ;D

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I'm not really a Broncos fan - used to be, until Pat Bowlen slimed his way into 400 million taxpayer dollars.

And I doubt LABF's mom would let him out of her basement to actually meet a real live human being. He's got too many chores to do - like sand her feet, draw her bath, and sponge down her ever-tired flabby body.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I suppose I coulda voted for the Libertarian, but what the heck.

This comment tells you all you need to know about W*GS' principles.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And I doubt LABF's mom would let him out of her basement to actually meet a real live human being. He's got too many chores to do - like sand her feet, draw her bath, and sponge down her ever-tired flabby body.

Given such a vivid and detailed description, one can only conclude that W*GS the projection king is drawing from personal experience here.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush's 'perception management' plan'

George W. Bush has been criticized for disdaining fact in favor of faith in his own instincts. But he is savvy about the dangers that information can present to his authority over the government and the American people.

That is why the first priority of his second term has been the elimination of the few government sources of information that could challenge the images he wants to project to the public. Bush doesn't want the State Department or the Central Intelligence Agency portraying his Iraq and other foreign policies as abject failures or reckless adventures.

So, by attacking these remaining pockets of analytical resistance, Bush is moving to ensure that his administration can keep much of the U.S. population seeing a near-empty cup as almost entirely full, a concept known in the intelligence world as "perception management."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/111804.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I couldn't vote for Bush...

...even though I've spent the last 4 years defending him like a rabid Doberman against all critics.

W*GS = one confused little man.