Republicans Celebrate A Divided Country

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Remember, whenever a country moves to far to one side or the other, it's bad for EVERYONE!
Four more years of a republican WH, Senate and House. The result will be a deeper divided country, continued alienation of the rest of the world, more religious mandates pushed upon the country, poverty reaching new records, millions and millions more without health insurance and the wal-marting of America can move full-steam forward.

The dumbing up of America is now complete. Beyond comprehension on how anyone could think Bush should lead this country let alone half of the country.

Be aware of where your money is and how easily and quickly you can access it.

[Traveler]

I don't particularly like the results but this election was pretty much on the up and up. America has spoken. Let's see what Bush does now. Will he try to bring the country together or continue with business as usual? We'll see 4 years from now.

[Tom A Hawk]

Remember, whenever a country moves to far to one side or the other, it's bad for EVERYONE!
Four more years of a republican WH, Senate and House. The result will be a deeper divided country, continued alienation of the rest of the world, more religious mandates pushed upon the country, poverty reaching new records, millions and millions more without health insurance and the wal-marting of America can move full-steam forward.

The dumbing up of America is now complete. Beyond comprehension on how anyone could think Bush should lead this country let alone half of the country.

Be aware of where your money is and how easily and quickly you can access it.

evidently the majority of the level headed american people disagree with you.
that is one of the great things about this country. you can disagree

[errand]

Remember, whenever a country moves to far to one side or the other, it's bad for EVERYONE!
Four more years of a republican WH, Senate and House. The result will be a deeper divided country, continued alienation of the rest of the world, more religious mandates pushed upon the country, poverty reaching new records, millions and millions more without health insurance and the wal-marting of America can move full-steam forward.

The dumbing up of America is now complete. Beyond comprehension on how anyone could think Bush should lead this country let alone half of the country.

Be aware of where your money is and how easily and quickly you can access it.

...and yet more people voted in this election than ever before. So perhaps being divided politically has some merits? BTW, your lib clowns are what divided this nation, first by challenging the will of the people in '00, then doing everything you could to tear down America's moral values (exit polls showed moral values at the top of most voters list of concerns)

Oh, and on another note...perhaps this nation is moving to the right, because 4 years ago they felt it was too far to the left?

[errand]

evidently the majority of the level headed american people disagree with you.
that is one of the great things about this country. you can disagree

...yeah, I guess accroding to Beerslug, there are now 3.5 million more idiots than geniuses in America.

That's one problem these libs have, they say things like America's been dumbed down not even realizing that insulting their fellow countrymen does nothing but piss them off. They even insult their own base when they said that Republican voter challengers of blacks are like bullies, that they pick on the poor and uneducated. Now corrct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the same as saying that blacks are challenged because they are uneducated and poor?

And if your a black person, do you agree with your preferred political party's take that your uneducated and poor? They claim Bush and the Republicans are not a friend of blacks, and yet his NSA is a black woman and his Sec. of State is a black man. The highest offices ever held by blacks. Republicans also put the first woman and black on the Supreme court (O' Connor and Thomas), not to mention more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of '64 than Dems and yet the feminazi's and NAACP continue to push for Dems.....go figure.

[Rohirrim]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage. Given the way the electoral college is set up, the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.

[errand]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage. Given the way the electoral college is set up, the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.

Seems to me that the people have spoken....they don't want some Taxachusetts liberal as their president, and they don't want men who bump weenies with other men or shag gaggers like Rosie O'Donnell getting married.

[Rohirrim]

Seems to me that the people have spoken....they don't want some Taxachusetts liberal as their president, and they don't want men who bump weenies with other men or shag gaggers like Rosie O'Donnell getting married.

I rest my case - The hicks done made the picks.

[Rock Chalk]

Nice.

You know, had Kerry won outright, I would not have been in here blaming democrats for the failing of this country.

Bush won, get over it. OK there is still an outside chance in hell Kerry can win and if he does, great. Whatever. Point is, just because you do not agree with the people does not make you right and the people idiots. Indeed, if the people have chosen Bush (and he is up by almost 4 million votes in the popular vote btw), then you are probably the idiot, not the vast majority of the country.

Rohirrim, the country is going to fall? You know, republicans could have came in here and claimed the same stupid nonsense if Kerry won. What a ludicrous statement and I really expect more from you than sour grapes. Beerslug I expect this from, he is a union slave, LABF I expect this from he is a well hell Im not sure what LABF is, certainly not a normal human being. But you Rohirrim, I figured you for the at least the begrudging condeeder type. Kinda like me.

And no one is celebrating the rift in this country. People are celebrating their choice for president as thy have done since day 1.

Mr. Bush, should he win, has four more years to do his job and then he will be gone. You can either accept that and support him until he is removed from office, or you cant but dont sit there adn call every republican an idiot and every american who voted for Bush an idiot because you think it was the wrong decision. Maybe you are the one that's an idiot, ever think of that?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Nice.

You know, had Kerry won outright, I would not have been in here blaming democrats for the failing of this country.

Bush won, get over it. OK there is still an outside chance in hell Kerry can win and if he does, great. Whatever. Point is, just because you do not agree with the people does not make you right and the people idiots. Indeed, if the people have chosen Bush (and he is up by almost 4 million votes in the popular vote btw), then you are probably the idiot, not the vast majority of the country.

Rohirrim, the country is going to fall? You know, republicans could have came in here and claimed the same stupid nonsense if Kerry won. What a ludicrous statement and I really expect more from you than sour grapes. Beerslug I expect this from, he is a union slave, LABF I expect this from he is a well hell Im not sure what LABF is, certainly not a normal human being. But you Rohirrim, I figured you for the at least the begrudging condeeder type. Kinda like me.

And no one is celebrating the rift in this country. People are celebrating their choice for president as thy have done since day 1.

Mr. Bush, should he win, has four more years to do his job and then he will be gone. You can either accept that and support him until he is removed from office, or you cant but dont sit there adn call every republican an idiot and every american who voted for Bush an idiot because you think it was the wrong decision. Maybe you are the one that's an idiot, ever think of that?
All this from the person that said his country rates behind video games on his list of important things. Are you in AA now? If you are, congratulations! I hope you persevere!

[patteeu]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage. Given the way the electoral college is set up, the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.

You can blame leftist gay activists for that. They pushed too hard and tried to make an end run around democracy by fighting their battle in cherry-picked courts.

[Mile High Shack]

All this from the person that said his country rates behind video games on his list of important things. Are you in AA now? If you are, congratulations! I hope you persevere!

well that was kind of uncalled for

bitter much?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Bush won over 50% of the popular vote. They strengthened their hold on the Senate and House.

The divided sountry? No more divided than it's ever been. Kerry wouldn't have been a uniter. If he would have won, the country would have been as divided as ever.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

well that was kind of uncalled for

bitter much?
Why? Because I called him out for his BS? And I'm serious, I hope he's getting the help he needs if that's his problem.

[Rohirrim]

I hated Nixon when he won two terms, but I had no doubt the country would survive him. It was just politics. I hated Reagan, but had no doubt the county would survive him. That was also, just politics. Bush is different. It's more than politics. It's a social agenda. It's in the bedroom. It's the Patriot Act, Article 218 and what is the definition of "terrorist." Did you know that somebody who destroys property in order to influence politics is defined as a terrorist? There's much more to Bush than just politics as usual. He is bypassing legislature and destroying all social programs by strangling their funds. He is shifting the burden of government from the rich to the middle class. Now, he will push through capital gains tax and inheritance tax dissolution. He will entrench, in concrete, the oligarchy of the wealthy. This is the end of America as we knew it. It's not just politics.

[Mile High Shack]

yeah for a dumbass he sure is evil huh

get over it, the majority of americans spoke and I guess us idiots just don't see it your way.

[TailgateNut]

Although the final tally's aren't complete, it's apparent GW will be at the helm for four more years. I am concerned with what is going to happen with our country and can only hope that I do not have to say "I told you so" four years for now, for our country's sake!
God Bless the USA!!!

[baja]

yeah for a dumbass he sure is evil huh

get over it, the majority of americans spoke and I guess us idiots just don't see it your way.

You will soon enough.

[Mile High Shack]

You will soon enough.

no I'm too stupid and too much a hick apparently.

gorsh golly, I shore hope my welfare check comes in though

give me a break, I didn't expect a melt down like this from you.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage. Given the way the electoral college is set up, the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.

Nice arrogance. Thought Bush was toast since he couldn't poll above 50%?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Divided countries don't have one party in the WH and the majority in the H, S, and Governorships.

[Hotrod]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage. Given the way the electoral college is set up, the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.


LOL you knew it would happen sooner rather than later. Let the crying and moaning and excuses begin. :spit:

[Hotrod]

Why? Because I called him out for his BS? And I'm serious, I hope he's getting the help he needs if that's his problem.

LOL now its down to the personal attacks. ROFL!

[Spider]

Come on ... I dont like Bush either , but this country is Strong enough to Handle him ..... dont be bitter , just hope the next 4 years goes as fast ........ Lets hope they decide to dismantle the brian trust of the Democratic Party and Put some quality people in there that can run a Party ......... This isnt the end of the world , isnt the end of America ........ Just another 4 year Speed bump ...........

[orangeatheist]

...the results are clear - the hicks done made the pick.

As a college graduate (with graduate school experience), an atheist, and a suburban homeowner and dad, I proudly cast my vote for Bush. Hick? Hardly.

The ignorance, arrogance and bitterness of such Democratic demagoguery astounds me.

[orangeatheist]

What drove people to the polls (according to many interviewed on the radio this AM) was the chance to vote against gay marriage.

What station was that? Where were the interviews being held? Who was doing the reporting.

[Rascal]

This is pathetic.

It's over guys. The people spoke and like it or not they are your fellow country men and have just has much right to vote how they want as you do.

Quit your bitching and moaning, accept it and move on.

But no instead you resort to personal attacks. Great, that's going to help unite a divided country.

The hicks won the election by voting against gay marriage? That's pathetic Rohirrim.

[Hotrod]

This is pathetic.

It's over guys. The people spoke and like it or not they are your fellow country men and have just has much right to vote how they want as you do.

Quit your bitching and moaning, accept it and move on.

But no instead you resort to personal attacks. Great, that's going to help unite a divided country.

The hicks won the election by voting against gay marriage? That's pathetic Rohirrim.


They will resort to personal attacks for that exact reason. TO KEEP the country divided that way it will be Bush and his hicks fault. See the dont want to unite the want things to stay divided so they can blame the repubs.

[DrFate]

Divided countries don't have one party in the WH and the majority in the H, S, and Governorships.

Herc, always the voice of reason.

Not sure what the Kerry supporters don't understand. The majority of people in this country don't want Kerry policies.

[Falconer]

Come on ... I dont like Bush either , but this country is Strong enough to Handle him ..... dont be bitter , just hope the next 4 years goes as fast ........ Lets hope they decide to dismantle the brian trust of the Democratic Party and Put some quality people in there that can run a Party ......... This isnt the end of the world , isnt the end of America ........ Just another 4 year Speed bump ...........

The next four years would go a lot quicker if the Broncos could win a couple of Superbowls. So here is hoping that they raise the Lombardi.

On a side note, I am glad to be informed by Rohirrim that I am a hick. I wasn't sure about how bright I was up until now, but I am glad someone could set me straight. Although I really wouldn't blame people for voting for Bush; I would blame the Democratic Party for not nominating a better proposition than Bush. Just so you know I voted a split ticket. I would have been more than happy to vote Democratic if I felt that would have been the best choice.

People who choose to be condescending to those who have a different opinion than their own need to think about how their words only inflame others. I doubt if anyone on this board can really have much of an idea of the makeup of others here, so why bother with the personal insults. What is done is done, so let us come together and show that we are united as a people. I may not agree with all of your ideas, but that does not make you stupid or an idiot. We probably all share a lot more similarities than differences (by the way this is directed at the forum as a whole, not you §Pide®).

[Falconer]

As a college graduate (with graduate school experience), an atheist, and a suburban homeowner and dad, I proudly cast my vote for Bush. Hick? Hardly.

The ignorance, arrogance and bitterness of such Democratic demagoguery astounds me.

It is kind of funny that an atheist and a fundamentalist Christian can get along better than a conservative and a liberal isn't it? The key is that orangeatheist and I always can speak rationally to one another without resorting to personal attacks.

[Spider]

The next four years would go a lot quicker if the Broncos could win a couple of Superbowls. So here is hoping that they raise the Lombardi.
Rack him .....;D

On a side note, I am glad to be informed by Rohirrim that I am a hick. I wasn't sure about how bright I was up until now, but I am glad someone could set me straight. Although I really wouldn't blame people for voting for Bush; I would blame the Democratic Party for not nominating a better proposition than Bush. Just so you know I voted a split ticket. I would have been more than happy to vote Democratic if I felt that would have been the best choice.
I think alot of People voted like you did , I also voted a split ticket .....

People who choose to be condescending to those who have a different opinion than their own need to think about how their words only inflame others. I doubt if anyone on this board can really have much of an idea of the makeup of others here, so why bother with the personal insults. What is done is done, so let us come together and show that we are united as a people. I may not agree with all of your ideas, but that does not make you stupid or an idiot. We probably all share a lot more similarities than differences (by the way this is directed at the forum as a whole, not you §Pide®).
;D . I figured that .........

[Kaylore]

Remember, whenever a country moves to far to one side or the other, it's bad for EVERYONE!
Four more years of a republican WH, Senate and House. The result will be a deeper divided country, continued alienation of the rest of the world, more religious mandates pushed upon the country, poverty reaching new records, millions and millions more without health insurance and the wal-marting of America can move full-steam forward.

The dumbing up of America is now complete. Beyond comprehension on how anyone could think Bush should lead this country let alone half of the country.

Be aware of where your money is and how easily and quickly you can access it.
Interpretation: WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! :vermeil:

[Rascal]

As a college graduate (with graduate school experience), an atheist, and a suburban homeowner and dad, I proudly cast my vote for Bush. Hick? Hardly.

The ignorance, arrogance and bitterness of such Democratic demagoguery astounds me.

We need to work on that atheist part. Otherise sounds you and I have a great deal in common.

[enjolras]

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug
Remember, whenever a country moves to far to one side or the other, it's bad for EVERYONE!
Four more years of a republican WH, Senate and House. The result will be a deeper divided country, continued alienation of the rest of the world, more religious mandates pushed upon the country, poverty reaching new records, millions and millions more without health insurance and the wal-marting of America can move full-steam forward.

The dumbing up of America is now complete. Beyond comprehension on how anyone could think Bush should lead this country let alone half of the country.

Be aware of where your money is and how easily and quickly you can access it.

...and yet more people voted in this election than ever before. So perhaps being divided politically has some merits? BTW, your lib clowns are what divided this nation, first by challenging the will of the people in '00, then doing everything you could to tear down America's moral values (exit polls showed moral values at the top of most voters list of concerns)

Oh, and on another note...perhaps this nation is moving to the right, because 4 years ago they felt it was too far to the left?
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Yes.. but what are moral values? Why are they involved in government? Libs are not trying to 'tear down moral values' it just so happens that they have a different set of moral standards. Is yours more correct? This is the opression of the majority at it's worst. Close minds...

[Kaylore]

Yes.. but what are moral values? Why are they involved in government? Libs are not trying to 'tear down moral values' it just so happens that they have a different set of moral standards. Is yours more correct? This is the opression of the majority at it's worst. Close minds...
Enjolras, some people call your "opression of the majority" Democracy.

[Captain_Poncho]

Yes.. but what are moral values? Why are they involved in government? Libs are not trying to 'tear down moral values' it just so happens that they have a different set of moral standards. Is yours more correct? This is the opression of the majority at it's worst. Close minds...

Yeah, and the libs' "different set of moral values" is something the country as a whole just soundly rejected. Why do you think that is?

Oh yeah, it's because you fall in line with Slug and Roh: Everyone who voted for Bush is "closed minded."

Classically hypocritical.

[orangeatheist]

We need to work on that atheist part. Otherise sounds you and I have a great deal in common.

Churchill is purported to have said: “A man who isn't a Liberal by age 20 has no heart. A man who isn't a Conservative by age 40 has no brains.”

I'm 40. :kiss:

[Rascal]

Lol!!

[Falconer]

Yes.. but what are moral values? Why are they involved in government? Libs are not trying to 'tear down moral values' it just so happens that they have a different set of moral standards. Is yours more correct? This is the opression of the majority at it's worst. Close minds...

I don't think you really need me to explain moral values to you, so I will let that one go. Moral values are involved in government because almost every choice we make is made from a moral value. Every law we have is basically a choice of morality.

You are right that most liberals have a different set of moral standards than those of mine. It is the fact that they will use those moral standards to make judgments that worries me, so that in itself would serve to "tear down my moral values" in my opinion. Having a set of moral values different than someone else would not necessarily make mine more correct, but most likely I would tend to want to see my moral values implemented (I don't think anyone is any different in this respect).

Finally, it is funny that the phrase "closed minds" always comes into play whenever one is trying to inflate their own intellectual prowess. The "closed minds" game can be just as readily turned back on its purveyor if one truly thinks through the idea of closed mindedness.

[DrFate]

I don't think you really need me to explain moral values to you, so I will let that one go. Moral values are involved in government because almost every choice we make is made from a moral value. Every law we have is basically a choice of morality.

You are right that most liberals have a different set of moral standards than those of mine. It is the fact that they will use those moral standards to make judgments that worries me, so that in itself would serve to "tear down my moral values" in my opinion. Having a set of moral values different than someone else would not necessarily make mine more correct, but most likely I would tend to want to see my moral values implemented (I don't think anyone is any different in this respect).

Finally, it is funny that the phrase "closed minds" always comes into play whenever one is trying to inflate their own intellectual prowess. The "closed minds" game can be just as readily turned back on its purveyor if one truly thinks through the idea of closed mindedness.


Nice post. I"m not sure what enjolras isn't getting on this. The vast majority of civil law is simply an extension of morality (whether religious or not). Why is prostitution illegal in 49 states? Why is adultery illegal in many states? Why is against the law for me to run over people with my car? Civil law is an extension of a culture's morality. If you don't like it - well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Most places that have some form of elected government do, indeed, legislate according to their morality.

The only (serious) alternative I know of is France. The current climate in France is to attempt to outlaw every trace of religious expression. Maybe they are trying to remove morality from their culture.

[Maximus]

...yeah, I guess accroding to Beerslug, there are now 3.5 million more idiots than geniuses in America.

That's one problem these libs have, they say things like America's been dumbed down not even realizing that insulting their fellow countrymen does nothing but piss them off. They even insult their own base when they said that Republican voter challengers of blacks are like bullies, that they pick on the poor and uneducated. Now corrct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the same as saying that blacks are challenged because they are uneducated and poor?

And if your a black person, do you agree with your preferred political party's take that your uneducated and poor? They claim Bush and the Republicans are not a friend of blacks, and yet his NSA is a black woman and his Sec. of State is a black man. The highest offices ever held by blacks. Republicans also put the first woman and black on the Supreme court (O' Connor and Thomas), not to mention more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of '64 than Dems and yet the feminazi's and NAACP continue to push for Dems.....go figure.

Let me get strait to the point. Don't ever associate Clearence Uncle Thomas with being black... Same with Condelesa Rice neither of them can spell the word black! If you took a poll of African Americans I would be willing to bet that less than 1% would disagree with my opinion of them.

GWB only has one Black Cabinet member and that is Colin Powell!

[Rock Chalk]

Why? Because I called him out for his BS? And I'm serious, I hope he's getting the help he needs if that's his problem.

What BS? Huh biatch? What BS? Calling you on your idiotic statements? Is that BS? Shut the f*ck up. You dont know me, you dont know a f*ckign thing about me. You want to attack me personally, fine but you have no idea who the f*ck I am.

I dont have a drinking problem unless drinking at most twice a month is a problem for you and if it is, who gives a rats ass.

Video games before my country? IF I ever said that it was probably tongue in cheek, but thats OK, you are clearly too big of an idiot to understand that concept judging by the content of your posts and calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot.

Keep praying your union job keeps you here in the States. Keep praying. Personally I hope they ship your job off to some Indian in Bombay and leave you with dick. I hope the union clears out your pension like the f*cking crooks they are and I hope you die a pauper you sorry piece of garbage. What a cock knocker to personally attack me when you get called out for being a ho. I hope you feel better, I certainly do after this post.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What BS? Huh biatch? What BS? Calling you on your idiotic statements? Is that BS? Shut the f*ck up. You dont know me, you dont know a f*ckign thing about me. You want to attack me personally, fine but you have no idea who the f*ck I am.

I dont have a drinking problem unless drinking at most twice a month is a problem for you and if it is, who gives a rats ass.

Video games before my country? IF I ever said that it was probably tongue in cheek, but thats OK, you are clearly too big of an idiot to understand that concept judging by the content of your posts and calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot.

Keep praying your union job keeps you here in the States. Keep praying. Personally I hope they ship your job off to some Indian in Bombay and leave you with dick. I hope the union clears out your pension like the f*cking crooks they are and I hope you die a pauper you sorry piece of garbage. What a cock knocker to personally attack me when you get called out for being a ho. I hope you feel better, I certainly do after this post.
No drinking problem? Then it must just be your fine personality. No hypocrite, you didn't say it tongue in cheek though I'm sure you don't remember it since you've made so many rants that it would be impossible to keep up with them all. And since you made a judgment first of what I was I returned the favor.
Funny though, I still feel the same. Am I suppose to feel better now?

[errand]

Let me get strait to the point. Don't ever associate Clearence Uncle Thomas with being black... Same with Condelesa Rice neither of them can spell the word black! If you took a poll of African Americans I would be willing to bet that less than 1% would disagree with my opinion of them.

GWB only has one Black Cabinet member and that is Colin Powell!


Thanks for proving my point....Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court Justice) and (National Security Advisor) Condoleeza Rice are not looked at as role models by most blacks in America. They are called sellouts and Uncle Tom's and whatever derogatory names hip-hop blacks call other blacks that rise to the top of their professions....why is that? Because they achieved and moved out of the ghetto? They didn't "keep it real"?

Because they didn't need to depend on a government program to advance themselves in their education/professions?

Because they got thru life on the merits of their hard work instead of their skin color?

They achieved and worked hard to become the best they could be without the help of any government program....and yet they are accused of not being black?

No today's blacks would rather idolize someone like Allen Iverson or Scoop Doggy Doo and live the life of a thug and then wonder why they are still hanging out on the street corner....than to actually apply themselves and become the best at whatever they want to become.

Condoleeza Rice once told Reader's Digest that her parents lived in a nation in which they were not allowed to drink from the same water fountain as Caucasians, but they convinced her that with hard work and self-reliance she could one day be president of that same country and change all that.

Nowadays a welfare check has replaced the black father as statistics show that almsot 755 of all black children have no father due to them being incarcerated, divorced, death or just plain skipped town. And all we hear from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton is why there aren't more black QB's ....instead of asking why there aren't more black fathers?

[errand]

Here's a question you can ask any black person....


If you could afford to move out of the "hood.....would you do it?

[patteeu]

The next four years would go a lot quicker if the Broncos could win a couple of Superbowls. So here is hoping that they raise the Lombardi.


Well in that case, I hope the next four years last forever. ;)

[patteeu]

Let me get strait to the point. Don't ever associate Clearence Uncle Thomas with being black... Same with Condelesa Rice neither of them can spell the word black! If you took a poll of African Americans I would be willing to bet that less than 1% would disagree with my opinion of them.

GWB only has one Black Cabinet member and that is Colin Powell!

Hey Maximus, your ass is hanging out. That's one of the more offensive posts I've seen on this BB since I've been here. I guess black people have to speak in ebonics to keep it real too. What a dumbass.

[watermock]

Have you people heard this one?

Kerry said spanks to everyone.

Walter Crankcase said he emailed Bin Laden!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I rest my case - The hicks done made the picks.

With more than a little help from the miracle of black box voting.

http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/little_die/diebold_8a.jpg

Corporate media Kool-Aid flavor of the week:

"The majority of Americans are dumb crackers who care more about gays, guns, and God than the economy, jobs, healthcare, social security, Iraq, etc."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is pathetic.

It's over guys. The people spoke...

"The people" didn't speak--the people who count the votes spoke.

But I do agree with your second point:

It is over.

Buh-bye American Democracy.

It's now just a matter of waiting for the bush chickens to come home to roost, and hoping America survives the resultant dark age.

[easymobee]

Keep praying your union job keeps you here in the States. Keep praying. Personally I hope they ship your job off to some Indian in Bombay and leave you with dick. I hope the union clears out your pension like the f*cking crooks they are and I hope you die a pauper you sorry piece of garbage.

I'll be thinking about this wonderful Gem while i'm on the Picket Lines next week.


I don't want to start an attempt at trying to "show anyone the light" or anything cause thats not gonna happen.

I'd have a better chance turning Toby Keith onto Gangsta Rap.

My personal opinion that is as Unmovable as anyone else's ....

Bush being reelected is a Sad Day IMO ....

I'm very disappointed in 51% of this country (including my State).

I won't say that Bush won because of "Hicks" etc .... But i have a very hard time understanding how Bush could carry the states like Missisippi, Alabama, Lousiana ETC ... that are most in the need of major reform in the areas that are historically better funded by a Democratic president.

I know the reason though .....

Bush Talks to God. ( Billy Graham introduced them last easter at the country club brunch ).

Bush has been advised by God to vigorously fight against abortion and gay marriage.

If i go around talking about my conversations with God in public ....

I'd end up either in Detox or Jail.

Bush does it and millions of people endorse him because of it.

Good job America ..... Oh and FU Nader for messing things up in 2000 and getting us into this whole damn mess in the first place.

On a brighter note ... every satire show ( ie: Daily Show ) will have much more creative material to work with over the next 4 years with the current result.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'll be thinking about this wonderful Gem while i'm on the Picket Lines next week.

"Compassionate conservativism" in action, eh?

Let's quote Alec's comment so everyone can appreciate it:

Keep praying your union job keeps you here in the States. Keep praying. Personally I hope they ship your job off to some Indian in Bombay and leave you with dick. I hope the union clears out your pension like the f*cking crooks they are and I hope you die a pauper you sorry piece of garbage.


And to think just a few days ago Alec was claiming the moral high ground as he denounced me as a "hater" in one of his posts.

These people seem to have zero insight into their own stupifying hypocrisy and moral duplicity.

BTW, have you noticed also that these people aren't really about celebrating their "victory" in any authentically joyful way?

They're just ramping up their hatred for liberals and working themselves into a fervor of self-righteousness and condemnation.

They still can't point to anything good about the GeeDubya Junta. All they can do is say "we sure showed them atheists, commies, and queers!"

I truly fear for the future of this country.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I'll be thinking about this wonderful Gem while i'm on the Picket Lines next week.


I don't want to start an attempt at trying to "show anyone the light" or anything cause thats not gonna happen.

I'd have a better chance turning Toby Keith onto Gangsta Rap.

My personal opinion that is as Unmovable as anyone else's ....

Bush being reelected is a Sad Day IMO ....

I'm very disappointed in 51% of this country (including my State).

I won't say that Bush won because of "Hicks" etc .... But i have a very hard time understanding how Bush could carry the states like Missisippi, Alabama, Lousiana ETC ... that are most in the need of major reform in the areas that are historically better funded by a Democratic president.

I know the reason though .....

Bush Talks to God. ( Billy Graham introduced them last easter at the country club brunch ).

Bush has been advised by God to vigorously fight against abortion and gay marriage.

If i go around talking about my conversations with God in public ....

I'd end up either in Detox or Jail.

Bush does it and millions of people endorse him because of it.

Good job America ..... Oh and FU Nader for messing things up in 2000 and getting us into this whole damn mess in the first place.

On a brighter note ... every satire show ( ie: Daily Show ) will have much more creative material to work with over the next 4 years with the current result.

Speaking about clearing out Union pensions.... check out DMC chairman, Tery McAuliffe's actions in that regard. These are the people that LABF is so proud of. Amazing.

This is the wrong guy to be heading the DMC. The faster the dems step on his nutz, the better for their party. To his credit, he is one hell of a fundraiser. Obviously, that is why this Clintonite slimball is still hanging around.


http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair10192004.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Speaking about clearing out Union pensions.... check out DMC chairman, Tery McAuliffe's actions in that regard.

How can we "check it out" when there's no link/proof to be found?

[Needa Pass Rush]

Speaking about clearing out Union pensions.... check out DMC chairman, Tery McAuliffe's actions in that regard.

How can we "check it out" when there's no link/proof to be found?

You are blind in one eye and can't see out of the other? :bs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You are blind in one eye and can't see out of the other? :bs:

I'll take that as an indication that you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

[Mile High Shack]

I figured you'd be talking about conspiracy theories, your pathetic

[watermock]

Bush has been advised by God to vigorously fight against abortion and gay marriage.

If i go around talking about my conversations with God in public ....

I'd end up either in Detox or Jail.

First off, alot of people are against abortion, and even more are against gay marriage. I doubt either stance would land you in detox.

And believe it or not, alot of people talk to God. it's called prayer you dimwit.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I figured you'd be talking about conspiracy theories, your pathetic

I figured you'd claim Smirk didn't steal another election--despite evidence to the contrary.

You're pathetic.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I'll take that as an indication that you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

There is a link in the original post, Einstein. :stupid:

[Mile High Shack]

I figured you'd claim Smirk didn't steal another election--despite evidence to the contrary.

You're pathetic.

there is no "evidence" your insane, seriously, please seek help, b/c I fear someone like you could enter an office with a gun and start killing all those that oppose you

you are seriously in need of professional help. I figured you'd be loony (that's why I took you off iggy for some humor) but you've gone beyond loony and stepped right into straight jackets

[watermock]

How amusing. Kerry supporters were slashing tires, they replaced the voting machines to even an idiot could vote, and this dimwit is complaining.

It's so amusing to beat down this dimwit.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I figured you'd claim Smirk didn't steal another election--despite evidence to the contrary.

You're pathetic.

Actually, the evidence indicates the dems were into slashing RNC tires and messing with the exit polls. _i_O_i_

[watermock]

There has not been a single complaint about voter fraud, altho voter fraud was rampant on the democratic ticket. They were slashing tires and loading the voting machines.

Even Kerry gave it up altho Edwards wanted to play pool. It was a clear victory. Your so beat down LABF.

Landslide victory for Kerry. 90 percent of the country voted for Bush. 40 of 50 states.

New York and California/West coast and New England. The rest of the country voted for Bush. I could care less what California and New York think. California is a mix of mexicans and liberals. New York is historically union.

[Needa Pass Rush]

If you are still challenged by the original link, LABF, here is a rider to that link.

3. Trustees Settle ERISA Suit for $4.9 Million

Trustees of the National Electrical Benefit Fund must pay more than $4.9 million to reimburse the fund under a consent order settling Department of Labor charges that they breached their fiduciary duties under ERISA by investing in a Florida real estate limited partnership. The two trustees, Jack Moore and John Grau, also agreed to pay a civil penalty of $555,000 under the consent order signed October 16, 2001, by the U.S. District Judge Deborah K. Chasanow (D. Md.). The order resulted from a suit filed in May 1999 by DOL, alleging that the trustees imprudently loaned pension plan assets to a corporation for certain real estate purchases linked to tainted Democratic National Committee Chairman Terence McAuliffe.

Moore and Grau denied the allegations, but entered into the agreement with DOL after U.S. District Judge Alexander Williams, Jr. (D. Md.) ruled in July that DOL could proceed with its suit. Williams denied the trustees' motion for summary judgment, rejecting their contention that they did not breach their fiduciary duties because the real estate transactions had beneficial results.

According to Williams, the trustees arranged for the fund to become a limited partner in a partnership established to purchase real estate in Florida The fund subsequently loaned $10 million to the general partner of the partnership, McAuliffe, enabling him, through another company, to acquire and develop additional property. The trustees then took McAuliffe up on his offer to sell the fund shares in the partnership at a 15% discount, increasing the fund's interest to more than 88%. The partnership subsequently repurchased the fund's shares for more than $30 million.
NEBF is operated jointly by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers from which Moore retired as secretary in 1997, and the National Electrical Contractors Association. [UCU 4.22]

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:VK_b2ShqwV4J:www.nlpc.org/olap/congress/020501a.htm+%22Jack+Moore%22+%22NECA%22&hl=en&start=5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you are seriously in need of professional help. I figured you'd be loony (that's why I took you off iggy for some humor) but you've gone beyond loony and stepped right into straight jackets

This from a semi-literate goober who supports this guy?

http://www.bartcop.com/bush-blinks.gif

Now that's rich!

[Needa Pass Rush]

And you support THIS guy, LABF. Even richer.

Shall I stop?

Labor sues pension fund over deals
By Karen Gullo, Associated Press writer

WASHINGTON -- The Labor Department is suing two union officials alleging they invested pension funds in "imprudent" deals with companies owned by a top fund-raiser for President Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Terence McAuliffe, the fund-raiser who recently offered to help the Clintons purchase a home in New York, is not a defendant in the lawsuit. The Labor Department regulates those who manage workers' pensions, not those who do business with such funds.
The lawsuit says that in one instance McAuliffe made $2.45 million on a deal in which the fund bought him out of a real estate partnership. He had invested $100, the pension fund $39 million.
The lawsuit names as defendants Jack Moore, former executive secretary of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, and John Grau, executive vice president of the National Electrical Contractors Association. The two managed the unions' National Electrical Benefit Fund, at the time worth $6 billion.
The department alleges the pension fund lost money as a result of a loan and a partnership deal that comprised more than $47 million in investments with McAuliffe's companies. Tax records show the fund didn't receive all the principal and interest due under the loan.
"Both trustees, Moore and Grau, authorized each of the imprudent investments," the suit said. "If the fund had not made these investments, it would have had the money ... to invest in prudent investments that would have earned a greater return."
Moore and Grau deny the government's allegations. And a lawyer for McAuliffe says the pension fund made some money on the investments, just not as much as hoped.
"The pension fund could have done better, but it also could have done a lot worse," attorney Richard Ben-Veniste said. "The pension fund is not out any money."
A lawyer for Moore and Grau agreed. "It's their position that the fund made money, although not as much as they would have liked," attorney James Kefauver said.
The pension fund made a return of 6.5 percent on the investments with McAuliffe, according to Jim Spellane, spokesman for IBEW. Other large pension funds made a median return of 10.9 percent on their investments during the first half of the 1990s, according to a study by consulting firm Watson Wyatt.
Spellane declined to discuss the transactions further, citing the litigation.
A former investment banker who made a fortune in home building, telecommunications and title insurance, McAuliffe has been a key figure in the Clintons' inner circle.
He was the president's chief fund-raiser in the 1996 election and now is raising money for Mrs. Clinton's possible Senate bid in New York.
This month he put up $1.35 million as collateral to guarantee the Clintons' mortgage on a $1.7 million house in Chappaqua, N.Y. But public interest groups and some Republicans complained the arrangement was improper because of McAuliffe's political ties and the Clintons have decided not to accept his help.
The lawsuit, which was filed in May in U.S. District Court in Maryland, details business dealings between the pension fund and McAuliffe dating to November 1990. That is when the fund formed a partnership with McAuliffe's company, American Capitol Management Co.
Records show the company was set up by McAuliffe's father-in-law, Richard Swann, a former Democratic Party fund-raiser who owned a failed savings and loan that had been taken over by the government six months earlier.
The fund paid $39 million for the partnership to buy a shopping center and apartment complexes from the Resolution Trust Corp., the federal S&L bailout agency that had taken over the properties from Swann's institution.
McAuliffe, who owned half the partnership, put up just $100, the suit alleges. By 1993, the fund had paid McAuliffe $2.45 million to buy out most of his share, the suit said.
The fund also loaned another McAuliffe company $6 million to buy property in Orlando, Fla., to build and sell homes.
The new investment was supposed to yield an 18.6 percent return, the suit said. But lot sales and revenues didn't meet projections, and the loan quickly went into default. By 1996 the unpaid balance was $8.6 million, tax records show.
The fund finally got out of the deals in 1997. Moore and Grau agreed to let McAuliffe purchase the fund's share of the partnership and buy off his loan for $30 million, which was less than the $47 million the fund had invested overall in deals with McAuliffe.
The fund's 1997 tax records said "the loan price was less than the loan amount plus accrued interest."
The suit doesn't say whether the fund received any revenue from the deals.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There has not been a single complaint about voter fraud, altho voter fraud was rampant on the democratic ticket. They were slashing tires and loading the voting machines.

Even Kerry gave it up altho Edwards wanted to play pool. It was a clear victory. Your so beat down LABF.

Landslide victory for Kerry. 90 percent of the country voted for Bush. 40 of 50 states.

New York and California/West coast and New England. The rest of the country voted for Bush. I could care less what California and New York think. California is a mix of mexicans and liberals. New York is historically union.
Landslide victory? 90% of the country? Ignorance!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, unreal how some Bush supporters now believe this when 140,000 votes decided the election in Ohio. You and others would probably be having a meltdown if Kerry had won Ohio by that tiny margin and was president.

Do you believe your vote is more important than someone else's? Or that someone voting from a large urban area is somehow less of a person than someone voting from a rural area?

And by the way, it's been reported Bush took over 40% of the Mexican vote.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you are still challenged by the original link, LABF, here is a rider to that link.

And McAuliffe was charged with/convicted of what crime and when?

Did it have something to do with swift boats, by chance?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And you support THIS guy, LABF. Even richer.

Shall I stop?

Better yet, cut to the chase and show me the arrest/conviction for a crime.

[Mile High Shack]

Landslide victory? 90% of the country? Ignorance!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, unreal how some Bush supporters now believe this when 140,000 votes decided the election in Ohio. You and others would probably be having a meltdown if Kerry had won Ohio by that tiny margin and was president.

Do you believe your vote is more important than someone else's? Or that someone voting from a large urban area is somehow less of a person than someone voting from a rural area?

And by the way, it's been reported Bush took over 40% of the Mexican vote.

while he did win by "only" 140,000 votes in Ohio, he did manage to win the popular vote by more than 3.5 million so I guess we are all stupid huh

[Needa Pass Rush]

And you support THIS guy, LABF. Even richer.

Shall I stop?

Better yet, cut to the chase and show me the arrest/conviction for a crime.

It's all there in the link, Richard. My conspiracy theory is better then yours. I actually have proof. Ha!

In May of 1999, the agency brought a suit against Moore and Grau for mismanagement of the fund. Both eventually settled, agreeing to six figure fines, and resigned their positions. The IBEW was compelled to reimburse the pension fund to the tune of five million dollars. The Labor Department didn't have any authority to go after McAuliffe. That was up to the Clinton Justice Department and they took a pass. He wasn't sued or otherwise inconvenienced. So a labor fund got looted and Terry McAuliffe got very rich.

This wasn't the only time McAuliffe steered a labor union toward dangerous legal and financial shoals. In 1996, McAuliffe helped devise a political money-cycling scheme that led to the downfall of several leaders of the Teamster's Union, including the union's reform-minded president Ron Carey and his political director William Hamilton. At Hamilton's trial on corruption charges, Richard Sullivan, the former director of finance for the Democratic National Committee, testified that McAuliffe asked Sullivan and other top DNC fundraisers to approach big Democratic donors who could make at least a contribution of at least $50,000 to the re-election campaign of Ron Carey, then in a pitched battle with James Hoffa, Jr. Under McAuliffe's scheme, Sullivan testified, the Teamster's Union would later recycle that $50,000 back into various Democratic Party accounts. Once again, McAuliffe was never charged with wrongdoing and his lawyer, Richard Ben-Veniste, repeatedly said there's was nothing illegal in his client's plan. He lives a charmed life.

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair10192004.html


So proud the Dems are of their Chairman. Where is your outrage now, LABF?

[Rascal]

And by the way, it's been reported Bush took over 40% of the Mexican vote.

So?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

while he did win by "only" 140,000 votes in Ohio, he did manage to win the popular vote by more than 3.5 million so I guess we are all stupid huh Which is my point. Bush supporters pretending this was some kind of monumental statement by the American people. It's the same as it was, a country divided in half and becoming more divisive every day.

[watermock]

I didn't say 90 percent of the vote. I said 90 percent of the country.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So?
So? Are you trying to articulate something?

[Mile High Shack]

Which is my point. Bush supporters pretending this was some kind of monumental statement by the American people. It's the same as it was, a country divided in half and becoming more divisive every day.

I disagree, it's only divisive b/c of people like yourself, Roh, Baja and LABF who claim that all Bush supporters are stupid and we dont' know what's best for our country...and that only Bush haters knew what was best.

[Needa Pass Rush]

LABS? Cat got your tongue?

I figured you may want to distance yourself from the slim factor. Nice talking passed you.

[Spider]

I disagree, it's only divisive b/c of people like yourself, Roh, Baja and LABF who claim that all Bush supporters are stupid and we dont' know what's best for our country...and that only Bush haters knew what was best.
you have to put me on that list also , I am a Democrat , I fought Republicans every chance I got , and I will also in 4 years from now ....... Only difference is , I accept the outcome of the election , I respect our System , But come next election .hehehehe fasten your seatbelt ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I disagree, it's only divisive b/c of people like yourself, Roh, Baja and LABF who claim that all Bush supporters are stupid and we dont' know what's best for our country...and that only Bush haters knew what was best.
Oh, I see. It's not divisive because of policies put into place by the Bush administration that half the country doesn't agree with. And only Bush supporters have the right to disagree, dislike, disdain liberals, or anyone else who doesn't agree with their agenda.

[Hotrod]

I figured you'd claim Smirk didn't steal another election--despite evidence to the contrary.

You're pathetic.

LOL evidence to the contrary. ROFL! You are one sick puppy ROFL!

What are you doing here anyway dont you have a revolution to be planning. ROFL!

[Mile High Shack]

you have to put me on that list also , I am a Democrat , I fought Republicans every chance I got , and I will also in 4 years from now ....... Only difference is , I accept the outcome of the election , I respect our System , But come next election .hehehehe fasten your seatbelt ;D

your not being nasty about it like the other Demmy cohorts around here.

I'm not talking pre election, I'm talking post election here.

I'm sure you'll be all about bashing some Republicans, but that is fine, we'll just see how the next 4 years turns out, if Bush totally screws it up, the Democrats have a golden ticket to White HOuse....UNLESS McCain gets the nod.

[Mile High Shack]

Oh, I see. It's not divisive because of policies put into place by the Bush administration that half the country doesn't agree with. And only Bush supporters have the right to disagree, dislike, disdain liberals, or anyone else who doesn't agree with their agenda.

you can disagree, but to claim that all Bush supporters are stupid and don't know what is best for the country and only Bush haters know what is best, IS devisive (sp) and to claim that our country will now go down b/c Bush believe in God and what not, I just don't get it.

you can disagree all you want it's a free country, but to automatically think all Bush supporters aren't as smart as you, is pretty weak.

[Mile High Shack]

LOL evidence to the contrary. ROFL! You are one sick puppy ROFL!

What are you doing here anyway dont you have a revolution to be planning. ROFL!

someone needs to implant the chip in his head.......rascal, you are the man for the job.

[Spider]

your not being nasty about it like the other Demmy cohorts around here.

I'm not talking pre election, I'm talking post election here.

I'm sure you'll be all about bashing some Republicans, but that is fine, we'll just see how the next 4 years turns out, if Bush totally screws it up, the Democrats have a golden ticket to White HOuse....UNLESS McCain gets the nod.
;D I like McCain , but I think the age issue will be used , Paint McCain as a great guy , who is just a tad bit too old ........ I want the Republicans to put Rudy Guiliani up for Election , that will be a blast , and Guiliani comes with alot of Baggage ......... Easy to rip apart ;D

[Mile High Shack]

;D I like McCain , but I think the age issue will be used , Paint McCain as a great guy , who is just a tad bit too old ........ I want the Republicans to put Rudy Guiliani up for Election , that will be a blast , and Guiliani comes with alot of Baggage ......... Easy to rip apart ;D

which is why he'd be a V.P. at best..........the south wouldn't support him I don't think.

[Hotrod]

someone needs to implant the chip in his head.......rascal, you are the man for the job.


That would be a waste of a 50 cent chip besides he is kind of fun to watch. :)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

you can disagree, but to claim that all Bush supporters are stupid and don't know what is best for the country and only Bush haters know what is best, IS devisive (sp) and to claim that our country will now go down b/c Bush believe in God and what not, I just don't get it.

you can disagree all you want it's a free country, but to automatically think all Bush supporters aren't as smart as you, is pretty weak.
I don't think I called you stupid or anyone else. And I didn't say this country would go down because Bush believes in god.

And guess what? Me and over 100 million other Americans just don't get it either when it comes to supporting this administration.

[Spider]

which is why he'd be a V.P. at best..........the south wouldn't support him I don't think.
Guiliani wont even make the VP office , He is an Albratross ..... Wait and see .... Rudy has some king size Skeletons in his closet ...... in fact one could say 9-11 Saved Guiliani ........ Bush was wise in using Guiliani , the war on Terrorism connection , but that was Guiliani only use .......and I do mean only use ........

[DB-Freak]

Thanks for proving my point....Clarence Thomas (Supreme Court Justice) and (National Security Advisor) Condoleeza Rice are not looked at as role models by most blacks in America. They are called sellouts and Uncle Tom's and whatever derogatory names hip-hop blacks call other blacks that rise to the top of their professions....why is that? Because they achieved and moved out of the ghetto? They didn't "keep it real"?

Because they didn't need to depend on a government program to advance themselves in their education/professions?

Because they got thru life on the merits of their hard work instead of their skin color?

They achieved and worked hard to become the best they could be without the help of any government program....and yet they are accused of not being black?

No today's blacks would rather idolize someone like Allen Iverson or Scoop Doggy Doo and live the life of a thug and then wonder why they are still hanging out on the street corner....than to actually apply themselves and become the best at whatever they want to become.

Condoleeza Rice once told Reader's Digest that her parents lived in a nation in which they were not allowed to drink from the same water fountain as Caucasians, but they convinced her that with hard work and self-reliance she could one day be president of that same country and change all that.

Nowadays a welfare check has replaced the black father as statistics show that almsot 755 of all black children have no father due to them being incarcerated, divorced, death or just plain skipped town. And all we hear from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton is why there aren't more black QB's ....instead of asking why there aren't more black fathers?
Under the circumstances a lot of them are born in, they dont have the previliged economical support or surroundings to excel far in education.
You only speak out the few who were able to break the barrier. In life, there are always exception and its no different here. DIfferent moral values set in with different milieu.

Yet you try to blame the rest on the people who rarely have a good backings to start with.

[Rohirrim]

Here's what I mean by "The hicks done made the picks": Karl Rove made sure that in 11 battleground states there was a gay marriage bashing initiative on the ballot. Polls now show that 80% of the evangelicals who went to the polls in Ohio, went because of those initiatives. They're the voters that tipped the balance for Bush in Ohio. Now, legal experts around the country are saying that there is no way on earth those initiatives will stand, given that they conflict with this thing called the Constitution of the United States. Of course, Karl Rove knew this before hand. Ergo, he played the carny with the rubes - and they played the hicks. They voted against their own economic interests because they got suckered into going to the polls and voting for a law that won't get past the Supreme Court of Ohio. If that ain't the definition of "hicks", I don't know what is.

[Mile High Shack]

I don't think I called you stupid or anyone else. And I didn't say this country would go down because Bush believes in god.

And guess what? Me and over 100 million other Americans just don't get it either when it comes to supporting this administration.

ok so maybe I over-stated, I apologize for that.

and I can understand your doubts, obviously things aren't rosey all over, but you guys should've put a better dude up against G.W., Kerry was weak at best, I just don't understand how you couldn't of put a better guy. G.W. was ripe for the picking and you put Kerry up against him....that was your biggest mistake.

[Mile High Shack]

Here's what I mean by "The hicks done made the picks": Karl Rove made sure that in 11 battleground states there was a gay marriage bashing initiative on the ballot. Polls now show that 80% of the evangelicals who went to the polls in Ohio, went because of those initiatives. They're the voters that tipped the balance for Bush in Ohio. Now, legal experts around the country are saying that there is no way on earth those initiatives will stand, given that they conflict with this thing called the Constitution of the United States. Of course, Karl Rove knew this before hand. Ergo, he played the carny with the rubes - and they played the hicks. They voted against their own economic interests because they got suckered into going to the polls and voting for a law that won't get past the Supreme Court of Ohio. If that ain't the definition of "hicks", I don't know what is.

yes'm, we's just ain't as 'mart as youins up dere in da north, loorrdddy, looorrddy, what would we do without ya'all tellin' us what iz best fer us.

[Rascal]

Here's what I mean by "The hicks done made the picks": Karl Rove made sure that in 11 battleground states there was a gay marriage bashing initiative on the ballot. Polls now show that 80% of the evangelicals who went to the polls in Ohio, went because of those initiatives. They're the voters that tipped the balance for Bush in Ohio. Now, legal experts around the country are saying that there is no way on earth those initiatives will stand, given that they conflict with this thing called the Constitution of the United States. Of course, Karl Rove knew this before hand. Ergo, he played the carny with the rubes - and they played the hicks. They voted against their own economic interests because they got suckered into going to the polls and voting for a law that won't get past the Supreme Court of Ohio. If that ain't the definition of "hicks", I don't know what is.

Then you don't.

Come down here and I will show you some true hicks.

Your conspiracy theory BTW sucks.

[Rascal]

So? Are you trying to articulate something?

Sorry, I took it for granted you would be able to comprehend a simple question. Let me restate it: what was the point of mentioning Bush and the Hispanic vote?

[Rohirrim]

yes'm, we's just ain't as 'mart as youins up dere in da north, loorrdddy, looorrddy, what would we do without ya'all tellin' us what iz best fer us.

Very funny. All that proves is that you can't handle the truth. Look, I'm against gay marriage myself, and abortion. But if the evangelicals think that merely by slapping some unconstitutional law on the books that they're going to stop people, they're only kidding themselves. What they're doing is a whole lot of wishing. It's like believing that drug laws are going to stop people from taking drugs. Laughable. Joke around all you want, the evangelicals got "played."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

ok so maybe I over-stated, I apologize for that.

and I can understand your doubts, obviously things aren't rosey all over, but you guys should've put a better dude up against G.W., Kerry was weak at best, I just don't understand how you couldn't of put a better guy. G.W. was ripe for the picking and you put Kerry up against him....that was your biggest mistake.
I'll tell you like I've told everyone else, I thought anyway. I don't vote party lines, I haven't in 25 years. I vote people. I believe only lazy, uneducated people vote strict party lines. I also believe that this is one of our greatest downfalls in this country.

Yesterday was a huge disappointment to half of this country that will linger. Millions and millions of people believe we are on a rapid path of destruction.
I said things that I should have waited a day to say. They were more emotional than rational. But Bush supporters gloating about the same policy going forward for another 4 years doesn't do anything but increase the rift.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sorry, I took it for granted you would be able to comprehend a simple question. Let me restate it: what was the point of mentioning Bush and the Hispanic vote?
It was in reply to another posters remark about the Mexican vote. Did you miss that?

[Mile High Shack]

I'll tell you like I've told everyone else, I thought anyway. I don't vote party lines, I haven't in 25 years. I vote people. I believe only lazy, uneducated people vote strict party lines. I also believe that this is one of our greatest downfalls in this country.

Yesterday was a huge disappointment to half of this country that will linger. Millions and millions of people believe we are on a rapid path of destruction.
I said things that I should have waited a day to say. They were more emotional than rational. But Bush supporters gloating about the same policy going forward for another 4 years doesn't do anything but increase the rift.


I'm not gloating, the only thing I gloat about is that people finally got out and voted, something Americans should do at even more than the 60% eligible that went out Tuesday.

let's see how the next 4 years go, I don't think it will be as bad as the rabid Bush Haters believe, nor do I think everything will be sunshine and roses either. I have faith in the American people though.

[patteeu]

Oh, I see. It's not divisive because of policies put into place by the Bush administration that half the country doesn't agree with. And only Bush supporters have the right to disagree, dislike, disdain liberals, or anyone else who doesn't agree with their agenda.

If the country is divided in half the way you say it is (and I agree with you on this point), then it doesn't matter what policy is implemented, half the country will disagree with it. The thing that determines whether we experience divisiveness or unity is how the losers in the democratic process handle the loss. Do they accept the fact that they didn't have the persuasive power to carry the day and carry on or do they whine and blame the majority for their divisive policies the way you guys are.

Certainly we don't see George W. Bush spiking his figurative football in your faces today, instead we see him graciously talking about working together. By contrast, you guys are as bitter as ever.

Your side lost the election. Your side will have to live with some policy decisions that you don't like. That's what elections are about. It is up to your side to accept their role as the minority and try to influence policy in a constructive (yet backseat) kind of way, instead of demagoging every issue and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the majority to gain political advantage for the next election. If you choose the latter approach, then enjoy the bed you will create for yourselves.

[patteeu]

Here's what I mean by "The hicks done made the picks": Karl Rove made sure that in 11 battleground states there was a gay marriage bashing initiative on the ballot. Polls now show that 80% of the evangelicals who went to the polls in Ohio, went because of those initiatives. They're the voters that tipped the balance for Bush in Ohio. Now, legal experts around the country are saying that there is no way on earth those initiatives will stand, given that they conflict with this thing called the Constitution of the United States. Of course, Karl Rove knew this before hand. Ergo, he played the carny with the rubes - and they played the hicks. They voted against their own economic interests because they got suckered into going to the polls and voting for a law that won't get past the Supreme Court of Ohio. If that ain't the definition of "hicks", I don't know what is.

You should start listening to a better set of legal experts.

[Garcia Bronco]

If the country is divided in half the way you say it is (and I agree with you on this point), then it doesn't matter what policy is implemented, half the country will disagree with it. The thing that determines whether we experience divisiveness or unity is how the losers in the democratic process handle the loss. Do they accept the fact that they didn't have the persuasive power to carry the day and carry on or do they whine and blame the majority for their divisive policies the way you guys are.

Certainly we don't see George W. Bush spiking his figurative football in your faces today, instead we see him graciously talking about working together. By contrast, you guys are as bitter as ever.

Your side lost the election. Your side will have to live with some policy decisions that you don't like. That's what elections are about. It is up to your side to accept their role as the minority and try to influence policy in a constructive (yet backseat) kind of way, instead of demagoging every issue and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the majority to gain political advantage for the next election. If you choose the latter approach, then enjoy the bed you will create for yourselves.

Great post!

[Mile High Shack]

You should start listening to a better set of legal experts.

rather than Janene Garafello

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If the country is divided in half the way you say it is (and I agree with you on this point), then it doesn't matter what policy is implemented, half the country will disagree with it. The thing that determines whether we experience divisiveness or unity is how the losers in the democratic process handle the loss. Do they accept the fact that they didn't have the persuasive power to carry the day and carry on or do they whine and blame the majority for their divisive policies the way you guys are.

Certainly we don't see George W. Bush spiking his figurative football in your faces today, instead we see him graciously talking about working together. By contrast, you guys are as bitter as ever.

Your side lost the election. Your side will have to live with some policy decisions that you don't like. That's what elections are about. It is up to your side to accept their role as the minority and try to influence policy in a constructive (yet backseat) kind of way, instead of demagoging every issue and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the majority to gain political advantage for the next election. If you choose the latter approach, then enjoy the bed you will create for yourselves.
Here we are again. "your" side. I'm sure what you're trying to say is democrats must bow to republicans now.
Guess what. That's not how a divided country becomes united! And it never will with this kind of king of the hill thinking.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug]I'll tell you like I've told everyone else, I thought anyway. I don't vote party lines, I haven't in 25 years. I vote people. I believe only lazy, uneducated people vote strict party lines. I also believe that this is one of our greatest downfalls in this country.

QUOTE]

We probably differ on many issues, but I whole heartedly agree with you on this. Voters need to see where each candidate stands on each issue and vote accordingly. I tend to be conservative on economic and national defense issues and more passionate about those issues than most social issues. Based on that you would think that I am a republican, but in this election, I voted for 3 republicans, 2 democrats and one libertarian. I was very disappointed in our Colo Senate race as the Democratic candidate did a complete reversal of his moderate record and bent over for the extreme liberalism of the national party. If he had not done this, I probably would have voted for him.

To me the problem lies in the party system itself. I think in the perfect world, the parties would be abolished and each candidate would run as an individual and campaign on the real issues. I know this is just a pipe dream.

A great book, if you are interested is: "The Corruption of American Politics - What Went Wrong and Why" by Elizabeth Drew. the basic premise is that the money behind the scenes in politics is the reason we are not getting the best candidates and when they get elected, they are unable to do their jobs.

[patteeu]

Here we are again. "your" side. I'm sure what you're trying to say is democrats must bow to republicans now.
Guess what. That's not how a divided country becomes united! And it never will with this kind of king of the hill thinking.

I suppose your recipe for uniting the country is for the Republicans to govern as if they were Democrats (as if that's not pretty close to what George W Bush did anyway wrt domestic policy). :nono:

If I'm wrong, what is your recipe.

[W*GS]

We Americans always manage to survive our politicians.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

We Americans always manage to survive our politicians.

Yes, but it is a tough struggle.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Here's what I mean by "The hicks done made the picks": Karl Rove made sure that in 11 battleground states there was a gay marriage bashing initiative on the ballot.

You lost a bet or something 'Ro? Can you make one post without some reference to how Karl Rove did this, or Karl Rove did that? The guy does not have as much influence or power as you'd like to believe, but if that's your bogey-man, more power to you.

[Rohirrim]

If the country is divided in half the way you say it is (and I agree with you on this point), then it doesn't matter what policy is implemented, half the country will disagree with it. The thing that determines whether we experience divisiveness or unity is how the losers in the democratic process handle the loss. Do they accept the fact that they didn't have the persuasive power to carry the day and carry on or do they whine and blame the majority for their divisive policies the way you guys are.

Certainly we don't see George W. Bush spiking his figurative football in your faces today, instead we see him graciously talking about working together. By contrast, you guys are as bitter as ever.

Your side lost the election. Your side will have to live with some policy decisions that you don't like. That's what elections are about. It is up to your side to accept their role as the minority and try to influence policy in a constructive (yet backseat) kind of way, instead of demagoging every issue and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the majority to gain political advantage for the next election. If you choose the latter approach, then enjoy the bed you will create for yourselves.

Do you really believe all this drek you splutter? I'm guessing that you're joking, right? The funniest one from you guys is the idea that suddenly, now that your party has won, that the Bushies are imbued with some kind of nobility. The language has already begun. There will be no reaching out from Bush. What did he say yesterday at his press conference... "I see no need for me to reach out. They need to come to me." I can just feel the healing rays.

The one congressperson who tried to go with Bush on legislation and cross the aisle in the first term, Landrieu of LA., got ruthlessly attacked by the Rove machine. How about how Bush sucked Kennedy into the No Child Left Behind, then underfunded it, turned the program into useless shiite, and then blurted Kennedy's name all over the place. He punked Kennedy publicly. Good joke. Laugh about it. Don't expect reconciliation.

These guys are the same guys that in Newt's time tried to gut Clinton, for crimes real and imagined. Since the days of Lee Atwater, their only way to play the game has been knife in the back. That only gets worse now. If I was a Dem in office right now, I wouldn't believe anything coming out of their mouths. They've proved time and again that the only thing they truly believe in is the the power of lying.

[Mile High Shack]

Do you really believe all this drek you splutter? I'm guessing that you're joking, right? The funniest one from you guys is the idea that suddenly, now that your party has won, that the Bushies are imbued with some kind of nobility. The language has already begun. There will be no reaching out from Bush. What did he say yesterday at his press conference... "I see no need for me to reach out. They need to come to me." I can just feel the healing rays.

The one congressperson who tried to go with Bush on legislation and cross the aisle in the first term, Landrieu of LA., got ruthlessly attacked by the Rove machine. How about how Bush sucked Kennedy into the No Child Left Behind, then underfunded it, turned the program into useless shiite, and then blurted Kennedy's name all over the place. He punked Kennedy publicly. Good joke. Laugh about it. Don't expect reconciliation.

These guys are the same guys that in Newt's time tried to gut Clinton, for crimes real and imagined. Since the days of Lee Atwater, their only way to play the game has been knife in the back. That only gets worse now. If I was a Dem in office right now, I wouldn't believe anything coming out of their mouths. They've proved time and again that the only thing they truly believe in is the the power of lying.

we have no choice but to call the black helicopters on you

[Rohirrim]

You lost a bet or something 'Ro? Can you make one post without some reference to how Karl Rove did this, or Karl Rove did that? The guy does not have as much influence or power as you'd like to believe, but if that's your bogey-man, more power to you.


That's funny. In Bush's victory speech he specifically pointed out, and thanked, Karl Rove as the "architect" of all of "this." hmmm... What could that mean?

[patteeu]

Do you really believe all this drek you splutter? I'm guessing that you're joking, right? The funniest one from you guys is the idea that suddenly, now that your party has won, that the Bushies are imbued with some kind of nobility. The language has already begun. There will be no reaching out from Bush. What did he say yesterday at his press conference... "I see no need for me to reach out. They need to come to me." I can just feel the healing rays.

The one congressperson who tried to go with Bush on legislation and cross the aisle in the first term, Landrieu of LA., got ruthlessly attacked by the Rove machine. How about how Bush sucked Kennedy into the No Child Left Behind, then underfunded it, turned the program into useless shiite, and then blurted Kennedy's name all over the place. He punked Kennedy publicly. Good joke. Laugh about it. Don't expect reconciliation.

These guys are the same guys that in Newt's time tried to gut Clinton, for crimes real and imagined. Since the days of Lee Atwater, their only way to play the game has been knife in the back. That only gets worse now. If I was a Dem in office right now, I wouldn't believe anything coming out of their mouths. They've proved time and again that the only thing they truly believe in is the the power of lying.

Personally, I think reaching out to the democrats is overrated. They can fester in their own dark, shrinking corner of Congress for all I care. I'd like to see Bush reach out and bitch slap a few of them, but it's not in his character.

No, Bush is and has done as much as can be reasonably expected to unify. It's up to the obstructionists in your party to make the decision about whether to continue dividing the country or to take their backseats graciously and enjoy the trip as junior partners. That's not to say that they can't object to Republican initiatives or try to defeat them during the legislative process. But it's time to stop the divisive demagoguery.