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Bronco_Beerslug
10-29-2004, 12:36 PM
Now, this isn't going to sit very well with hardcore republicans!

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By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: October 26, 2004

ASHINGTON, Oct. 25 - President Bush said in an interview this past weekend that he disagreed with the Republican Party platform opposing civil unions of same-sex couples and that the matter should be left up to the states.

Mr. Bush has previously said that states should be permitted to allow same-sex unions, even though White House officials have said he would not have endorsed such unions as governor of Texas. But Mr. Bush has never before made a point of so publicly disagreeing with his party's official position on the issue.

In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday.

According to an ABC transcript, Mr. Gibson then noted to Mr. Bush that the Republican Party platform opposed civil unions.

"Well, I don't," Mr. Bush replied.

He added: "I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Mr. Gibson then asked, "So the Republican platform on that point, as far as you're concerned, is wrong?"

"Right," Mr. Bush replied.

Mr. Bush announced in February that he supported an amendment to the Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage, and said at the time that the union of a man and a woman was "the most fundamental institution of civilization." He acted under enormous pressure from his conservative supporters, who had lobbied the White House to have the president speak out in an election year on a matter of vital importance to them
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26gay.html

Rohirrim
10-29-2004, 12:38 PM
Add this to his pleas for Democrat votes and you have to guess that this campaign knows it's in trouble.

I guess this guy will say anything to get re-elected. ;D

NaptownChief
10-29-2004, 12:39 PM
Now, this isn't going to sit very well with hardcore republicans!


True but when the alternative choice is an extreme liberal from Mass they will still go do their duty, even if they have to hold their nose when they do it.

NaptownChief
10-29-2004, 12:42 PM
Add this to his pleas for Democrat votes and you have to guess that this campaign knows it's in trouble.

I guess this guy will say anything to get re-elected. ;D



It's a good strategy IMO...If Kerry were a likable moderate it would be a very poor strategy but with him being a radical liberal the far right will run out in droves to vote against Kerry even if they strongly oppose Bush on this stance. However this type of thing will bring in a handful of votes that otherwise would have probably ended up in the DemoRat column.

This is much like Clinton acting like a moderate right before the elections only to become a liberal immediately after. Just in reverse.

Rohirrim
10-29-2004, 01:47 PM
Or Bush running as a "compassionate conservative."

Old Dude
10-29-2004, 02:58 PM
Oh come on. You guys know better than that.

Of course, Bush is going to act less conservative more and more moderate and "mainstream" as the election gets closer and closer.

Kerry's doing the exactly the same thing from the other side.

Both sides have their hard core party members locked up as tight as they're gonna get, (mostly because they despise the opposing candidate) and it's the big fight for the middle of the road, undecided, independent, wishy-washy, 5% in the middle that will decide the election.

Crushaholic
10-31-2004, 01:02 AM
Kerry completely abandoned his liberal base from the beginning with his "tough talk" on war. He only said he was going to fight the war more efficiently, and that can't be sitting pretty with the doves in the Democratic Party. This is only one comment that has strayed from the Republican viewpoint. It's not like Bush has based his whole campaign around being something he's not...