Sinclair Changes thier stance ..........

[Spider]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410200001
Sinclair Drops Plan to Air Full Anti-Kerry Film
Move Sparked by Threat of Shareholder Lawsuit Underwritten by Media Matters for America

(Washington, DC, October 19, 2004) -- At approximately 3:45 p.m. (EDT) on October 19, a representative of Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc. called Mr. Jim Glickenhaus, a general partner in the Wall Street investment firm Glickenhaus & Co., to state that a response was forthcoming to a demand letter submitted earlier in the day by Glickenhaus, whose firm holds 6,100 shares of Sinclair stock. The demand letter, underwritten by Media Matters for America (MMFA), threatened legal action if Sinclair aired the anti-Kerry documentary Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal on all 62 of its stations reaching up to 25 percent of U.S. TV households.

At approximately 4 p.m., Sinclair representatives faxed Glickenhaus a statement declaring that Sinclair Broadcast Group will not be airing Stolen Honor in its entirety, but will instead air a "news special" to be "produced with the highest journalistic standards and integrity."

Both Glickenhaus and MMFA agree that Sinclair's decision satisfies the basic request in Glickenhaus's demand letter. In his letter, Glickenhaus demanded that Sinclair either not broadcast Stolen Honor or "provide those with views opposed to the allegations in the film an equal opportunity to respond."

"Sinclair has finally acknowledged that its decision to air Stolen Honor was untenable," explained MMFA President and CEO David Brock. "Backing away from its original decision reflects the power of both the marketplace, which has severely punished Sinclair for its actions; the grassroots actions that have put pressure on Sinclair for the past two weeks; and the serious threat of litigation on the part of shareholders that have been grievously damaged by the precipitous drop in Sinclair stock since the company first announced its intentions."

Glickenhaus immediately faxed an acknowledgment to Sinclair CEO David D. Smith in which he stated:

"We trust from the press release that Sinclair will ensure that the program is fair, balanced, and provides a meaningful opportunity for participation by those with opposing points of view, regardless of whether they may be part of any particular campaign. We will be watching the events unfold over the next three days to confirm that Sinclair stays on the course it described in its response to me and presents a fair and impartial program."

Sinclair's stock has fallen 17 percent, costing shareholders $105 million, since Sinclair's decision to air Stolen Honor in its entirety first became public.

Although Sinclair altered its programming content, both Glickenhaus and MMFA fully intend to closely monitor Sinclair's new program, titled A POW Story: Politics, Pressure and the Media. Should the program fall outside the boundaries of fairness and impartiality outlined in the demand letter, legal action may resume. The legal work for this successful action was undertaken by Dan Johnson and Tom Wardell, of the Washington DC-based firm of McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP.

Posted to the web on Tuesday October 19, 2004 at 10:28 PM EST

[W*GS]

Figures. Liberals using threat of lawsuit to censor views they don't like. And the lawyers stand to make millions anyway - another reason the Democrats are so in debt to the TLA.

If I was head of Sinclair, I'd make it known that my plan had to be changed due to extortion from the pro-Kerry liberals.

[Spider]

Figures. Liberals using threat of lawsuit to censor views they don't like. And the lawyers stand to make millions anyway - another reason the Democrats are so in debt to the TLA.

If I was head of Sinclair, I'd make it known that my plan had to be changed due to extortion from the pro-Kerry liberals.
Actually you should re read the artical or down load the letter Glickenhaus& co. wrote , it isnt that the Sinclair Broadcast is airing the piece , it is the format they chose to air it circumventing the election laws , thats why the leader of Sinclair isnt answering phone calls or taking questions , he rolled the dice , gambled and came up snake eyes ........

[W*GS]

Actually you should re read the artical or down load the letter Glickenhaus& co. wrote , it isnt that the Sinclair Broadcast is airing the piece , it is the format they chose to air it circumventing the election laws

Election laws trump free speech. Nice.

The McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" utter load of crap is the main reason I think McCain is dangerous. He may be unafraid to speak his mind, but damned if anyone else wants to. He's no hero to me. And the fact that Soros is behind M-F and the most ardent Democratic 527s - how come we never see LABF, or you, or Ro, or the other liberals here decry that Soros has manipulated election law to his advantage? Isn't it a Bad Thing when the ultrarich have more of a political voice than the rest of us?

[Spider]

Election laws trump free speech. Nice.
I dont think anyone is claiming that , what they are claiming is , if you show Stolen Honor , you have to show for example F9-11 in the same format

The McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" utter load of crap is the main reason I think McCain is dangerous. He may be unafraid to speak his mind, but damned if anyone else wants to. He's no hero to me. And the fact that Soros is behind M-F and the most ardent Democratic 527s - how come we never see LABF, or you, or Ro, or the other liberals here decry that Soros has manipulated election law to his advantage? Isn't it a Bad Thing when the ultrarich have more of a political voice than the rest of us?
I do think McCain Finegold did back fire , I dont think they saw the 527 having such an impact , and basicaly unchallenged point of view ...we see it on both sides , it is up to you and me to sift through and make our own judgments .......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Figures. Liberals using threat of lawsuit to censor views they don't like. And the lawyers stand to make millions anyway - another reason the Democrats are so in debt to the TLA.

If I was head of Sinclair, I'd make it known that my plan had to be changed due to extortion from the pro-Kerry liberals.
I am positive that all the shareholders who have lost over 17% in their holdings on this company are all liberals. There is no way possible for Bush backers to have the intelligence to own stock in a company.

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I am positive that all the shareholders who have lost over 17% in their holdings on this company are all liberals. There is no way possible for Bush backers to have the intelligence to own stock in a company.

"All the shareholders" didn't threaten to sue.

[enjolras]

I'm sure conservatives have never filed a lawsuit before?

[W*GS]

I dont think anyone is claiming that , what they are claiming is , if you show Stolen Honor , you have to show for example F9-11 in the same format

Yep, election laws trump free speech.

I don't think Michael Moore is obligated to show "Stolen Honor" as a double bill with F9/11.

I do think McCain Finegold did back fire , I dont think they saw the 527 having such an impact , and basicaly unchallenged point of view ...we see it on both sides , it is up to you and me to sift through and make our own judgments .......

McCain-Feingold was intentionally set up to create 527s - and Soros' filthy hand is behind both. He greatly supported M-F so that he could do an end-around and set up his 527s, to manipulate the electoral process to his own ends. It's a pity that the SCOTUS has ruled that M-F is constitutional, so, for now, we have to live with it.

[W*GS]

I'm sure conservatives have never filed a lawsuit before?

I never said that - but what's going on in this case has the fingerprints of the regulation-via-lawsuit tactic so loved by liberals and perfected during the Clinton administration.

[Spider]

Yep, election laws trump free speech.

I don't think Michael Moore is obligated to show "Stolen Honor" as a double bill with F9/11.
I wasnt aware that Michael Moore was in Charge of a bunch of TV stations .....



McCain-Feingold was intentionally set up to create 527s - and Soros' filthy hand is behind both. He greatly supported M-F so that he could do an end-around and set up his 527s, to manipulate the electoral process to his own ends. It's a pity that the SCOTUS has ruled that M-F is constitutional, so, for now, we have to live with it.
LOL . I notice you only called out Soros ...... Oh well I guess you are so far caught up in Spin you wont see the light ..... But I tried

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Figures. Liberals using threat of lawsuit to censor views they don't like.

What a load of total bullshyte.

It's not a case of not liking someones's "views."

It's a case of objecting to baseless claims and outright lies being pawned off as facts.

BTW, imagine the crying by W*GS and other right-wingers that would ensue if Sinclair decided to broadcast F 9/11 during prime time on 11/1.

[W*GS]

It's not a case of not liking someones's "views."

It's a case of using election law to trump free speech - said law being the baby of one of the liberals' ultrarich sugar daddies, George Soros.

It's a case of objecting to baseless claims and outright lies being pawned off as facts.

You definitely know all about that.

BTW, imagine the crying by W*GS and other right-wingers that would ensue if Sinclair decided to broadcast F 9/11 during prime time on 11/1.

That would be fine with me. Why do you suspect otherwise?

BTW, if Sinclair can't show a video with "baseless claims and outright lies being pawned off as facts", then, according to that standard, F9/11 couldn't be shown either.

[shakenbake]

seems like the right thing to do

[Spider]

BTW, if Sinclair can't show a video with "baseless claims and outright lies being pawned off as facts", then, according to that standard, F9/11 couldn't be shown either.
Try to stay with me here , F-9-11 was shown in theaters , People had to pay to go see it ...... It wasnt shown on TV , free ........ What part of this are you missing ?

[W*GS]

I wasnt aware that Michael Moore was in Charge of a bunch of TV stations .....

He's certainly wealthy enough to purchase a few. If he was owner, he ought to be free to show whatever he wants whenever he wants - ya know, that 1st amendment thingy.

LOL . I notice you only called out Soros ...... Oh well I guess you are so far caught up in Spin you wont see the light ..... But I tried

I mentioned Soros because he supported M-F with his millions, and uses millions more to provide for his 527 fronts, MoveOn.org being one of them.

Why don't I hear the liberals being critical of Soros?

[shakenbake]

If they wanna show the story on Kerry it would be only fair to show micheal moore's film.

[shakenbake]

Try to stay with me here , F-9-11 was shown in theaters , People had to pay to go see it ...... It wasnt shown on TV , free ........ What part of this are you missing ?


well im not sure what channel it is on but if it is a Cable staion then you are paying for that. Brodcast channels are the only ones that are free. I.E. CBS, NBC, FOX and ABC.

[Spider]

He's certainly wealthy enough to purchase a few. If he was owner, he ought to be free to show whatever he wants whenever he wants - ya know, that 1st amendment thingy.
I didnt ask if he was righ enough to own any ......




I mentioned Soros because he supported M-F with his millions, and uses millions more to provide for his 527 fronts, MoveOn.org being one of them.

Why don't I hear the liberals being critical of Soros?
Ha! Why dont I hear Republicans being critical of John O'Niel has been proved to be lying over and over ?
See reason why your Distain and full blame on Soros gets you no where is Republicans thought the 527's were a great Idea with the swift boat vets for truth ........
See you want to blame Soros for a republican miscaculation , Republicans thought they had the better inroads on the net , Republicans underestitmated the Deaniacs ...... Soros may have had the money , but some of your Precious Republicans sold out and accepted the Money ......

[Spider]

well im not sure what channel it is on but if it is a Cable staion then you are paying for that. Brodcast channels are the only ones that are free. I.E. CBS, NBC, FOX and ABC.
Ha! Nice try , every station Sinclair owns you can pick up with a TV antena . Hell even old fashion Rabbit ears .........

[Spider]

If they wanna show the story on Kerry it would be only fair to show micheal moore's film.
Thank you . thats my entire point .........

[shakenbake]

Both parties have plenty of people with money who can put out bad info about thier opponets and both do it. No party is guilt free. If you believe that your just navie.

[shakenbake]

Ha! Nice try , every station Sinclair owns you can pick up with a TV antena . Hell even old fashion Rabbit ears .........


I said I wasn't sure. What channels do they brodcast on ?

[Spider]

I said I wasn't sure. What channels do they brodcast on ?
ABC , WB , Some Fox ....... they own 62 Stations altogether

[Spider]

Sinclair first got media for blocking Ted Kopples reading of the soldiers that have died on Night line

[Spider]

http://sbgweb2.sbgnet.com/index.shtml
Here are the Sinclair stations .......

[shakenbake]

http://sbgweb2.sbgnet.com/index.shtml
Here are the Sinclair stations .......

I don't know if I like them pulling the show, I would rather they show it and Micheal Moore's film giving equal time. Being that they arn't on cable it would be the right thing to do.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha! Why dont I hear Republicans being critical of John O'Niel has been proved to be lying over and over ?
See reason why your Distain and full blame on Soros gets you no where is Republicans thought the 527's were a great Idea with the swift boat vets for truth ........
See you want to blame Soros for a republican miscaculation , Republicans thought they had the better inroads on the net , Republicans underestitmated the Deaniacs ...... Soros may have had the money , but some of your Precious Republicans sold out and accepted the Money ......

Bingo.

The problem with W*GS' 'argument' is that the claims made in F 9/11 are supported by corroborated facts whereas the propaganda piece Sinclair wants to air is nothing but a compendium of discredited lies and bullsh!t.

I guess wearing the elephant-shaped knee pads for so long has blinded W*GS to this simple distinction.

[W*GS]

The problem with W*GS' 'argument' is that the claims made in F 9/11 are supported by corroborated facts

Not all of them - in fact, there are at least 50 some-odd deceptions in F9/11.

Didja know Soros is an investor in Carlyle?

[Spider]

I don't know if I like them pulling the show, I would rather they show it and Micheal Moore's film giving equal time. Being that they arn't on cable it would be the right thing to do.
Agreed I dont want them to pull the show , But give equal time , or wait untill after the election and run the thing 24/7 for all I care ........ I just have a problem with the media using its format to do a infomercial to effect an election ........

[Spider]

I think Kerry after war 1971 is a Issue that does belong on the table , same with Bush's , Granted both men have grown and Matured since then , views have been Changed , but it is still what makes the man ...... I have read the Kerry testimony to the senate so many times , I keep comming up with the same conclusion ..... An over anxious young man , going for the gusto .... I do believe it was politicaly motovated ... But Kerry taking on the BCCI , Him and McCain bring the POW and MIA back from Nam and the Iran -Contra affair , wernt ....... I think we can find alot of the same type of things in Bush's Past

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not all of them - in fact, there are at least 50 some-odd deceptions in F9/11.

Still trying to pedal your review of a film you haven't actually seen, eh?

Too funny.

What about the bush/BCCI connection? Funny you won't discuss that issue.

[W*GS]

Still trying to pedal your review of a film you haven't actually seen, eh?

Not my review, the analysis of others who have taken F9/11 apart.

What about the bush/BCCI connection? Funny you won't discuss that issue.

Why won't you discuss the Carlyle/Soros connection?

[shakenbake]

Still trying to pedal your review of a film you haven't actually seen, eh?

Too funny.

What about the bush/BCCI connection? Funny you won't discuss that issue.

I saw the film and there is alot of crap in it. Moore is very misleading. I think any clear minded person would atleast say that.

[shakenbake]

I would like to see farenhype 911 !!

[Spider]

I saw the film and there is alot of crap in it. Moore is very misleading. I think any clear minded person would atleast say that.
I agree and I stated that on this thread ......Somewhere between what Moore says and what Republicans say is the truth .........

[Spider]

I would like to see farenhype 911 !!
I watched 15 minutes of it on a pirated copy on the net ...Realy didnt do anything for me , So I realy cant comment on this documentry ......

[broncogary]

If you want equal time, F 9/11 wouldn't be it. It is so obviously biased that it loses all credibility. In fact, I don't even believe that Michael Moore made it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not my review, the analysis of others who have taken F9/11 apart.

It would be more accurate to say "the propaganda of right-wingers who have attempted, without success, to discredit Moore's facts."

At least you admit you unconditionally accept and parrot these "analyses" w/o any first-hand knowledge of the film.

Why won't you discuss the Carlyle/Soros connection?

Why won't you provide sources to document this alleged connection?

Is George Soros the president?

Why won't you discuss the Bush/BCCI connection? Or the Bush/Unocal/Taliban connection?

[Spider]

If you want equal time, F 9/11 wouldn't be it. It is so obviously biased that it loses all credibility. In fact, I don't even believe that Michael Moore made it.
I havent seen stolen honor but the director was grilled and Stolen honor is F-9-11 Republican style .........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The irony is, most of the important facts presented by Moore in F 9/11 were already researched and corroborated by other sources in the public domain before the film was released.

Check out the BBC's Greg Palast's research into the bush family, for starters.

[broncogary]

I havent seen stolen honor but the director was grilled and Stolen honor is F-9-11 Republican style .........

So are you admitting that F 9/11 is biased, or are you accusing the Republicans of bias, or both?

[Spider]

So are you admitting that F 9/11 is biased, or are you accusing the Republicans of bias, or both?
Dude I cant admit anything , in another thread Letters from soldiers I denounced Moore , I havent seen any of moores Films but the first 15 minutes of F-9-11 on line pirated version ..... I maintain somewhere Between what Moore says and what Republicans say is truth , Now I havent seen Stolen Honor , But I have read some things even one of the vets on the Program suing cause he was mis represented ....... That speaks volumes .....
But for the record I havent seen any of Moores work but the 15 minutes of F9-11 .......
But yes Both sides of the Isle are guilty , Dont vote on Spin vote on Issues ..
If you agree with Bush's econmics , if you feel you are better off then 4 years ago , vote Bush ......... If you feel the country needs to go in a new direction and you agree with Kerrys position , vote Kerry ........

[broncogary]

Dude I cant admit anything , in another thread Letters from soldiers I denounced Moore , I havent seen any of moores Films but the first 15 minutes of F-9-11 on line pirated version ..... I maintain somewhere Between what Moore says and what Republicans say is truth , Now I havent seen Stolen Honor , But I have read some things even one of the vets on the Program suing cause he was mis represented ....... That speaks volumes .....
But for the record I havent seen any of Moores work but the 15 minutes of F9-11 .......
But yes Both sides of the Isle are guilty , Dont vote on Spin vote on Issues ..
If you agree with Bush's econmics , if you feel you are better off then 4 years ago , vote Bush ......... If you feel the country needs to go in a new direction and you agree with Kerrys position , vote Kerry ........

Thank you.

[Spider]

Thank you.
you're welcome ...... ;D

[W*GS]

It would be more accurate to say "the propaganda of right-wingers who have attempted, without success, to discredit Moore's facts."

"Without success"? I've already shown one teeny example of Moore's manipulations; I can list dozens more. Why are you so afraid of being as sceptical of Moore as you are of others? Is Moore perfect in your view?

Why won't you provide sources to document this alleged connection?

Easy. Google "Carlyle Soros". There are ample examples. It's not "alleged", it's actual.

Is George Soros the president?

What was Soros' role in getting McCain-Feingold passed? What is Soros' role in MoveOn.org? Doesn't it bother you that an ultrarich individual is attempting to manipulate our political system? If Soros was spending millions supporting Bush, you'd be all over him like stink on fecal matter. Apropos analogy, actually.

Why won't you discuss the Bush/BCCI connection? Or the Bush/Unocal/Taliban connection?

Why won't you discuss the Saudi/Clinton connection? What was the amount of the "gift" they gave him for his "library"?

[W*GS]

Or the Bush/Unocal/Taliban connection?

Read:
[b]Proposed Unocal Pipeline in Afghanistan[b]
Deceits 27-30
 
This segment is introduced with the question, "Or was the war in Afghanistan really about something else?" The "something else" is shown to be a Unocal pipeline.

Moore mentions that the Taliban visited Texas while Bush was governor, over a possible pipeline deal with Unocal. But Moore doesn’t say that they never actually met with Bush or that the deal went bust in 1998 and had been supported by the Clinton administration.

Labash, Weekly Standard. 

Moore asserts that the Afghan war was fought only to enable the Unocal company to build a pipeline. In fact, Unocal dropped that idea back in August 1998.

Jonathan Foreman, "Moore’s The Pity," New York Post, June 23, 2004.

In December 1997, a delegation from Afghanistan’s ruling and ruthless Taliban visited the United States to meet with an oil and gas company that had extensive dealings in Texas. The company, Unocal, was interested in building a natural gas line through Afghanistan. Moore implies that Bush, who was then governor of Texas, met with the delegation.
 But, as Gannett News Service points out, Bush did not meet with the Taliban representatives. What’s more, Clinton administration officials did sit down with Taliban officials, and the delegation’s visit was made with the Clinton administration’s permission.

McNamee, Chicago Sun-Times.

Whatever the motive, the Unocal pipeline project was entirely a Clinton-era proposal: By 1998, as the Taliban hardened its positions, the U.S. oil company pulled out of the deal. By the time George W. Bush took office, it was a dead issue—and no longer the subject of any lobbying in Washington.

Isikoff & Hosenball, MSNBC.com.
 
Moore claims that "Enron stood to benefit from the pipeline." To the contrary, Enron was not part of the consortium which expressed interest in working with Unocal on the pipeline.
 
On December 9, 2003, the new Afghanistan government did sign a protocol with Turkmenistan and Pakistan to facilitate a pipeline. Indeed, any Afghani government (Taliban or otherwise) would rationally seek the revenue that could be gained from a pipeline. But the protocol merely aims to entice corporations to build a new pipeline; no corporation has has agreed to do so. Nor does the new proposed pipeline even resemble Unocal's failed proposal; the new pipeline would the bring oil and gas from the Caspian Sea basin, whereas Unocal's proposal involved deposits five hundred miles away, in eastern Turkmenistan.
 
Fahrenheit showed images of pipeline construction, but the images have nothing to do with the Caspian Sea pipeline, for which construction has never begun. Nor do they have anything to do with the Unocal pipeline, which never existed except on paper.

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Mr. Soros, whose $7.2 billion fortune makes him the 24th richest person in the United States, has become the biggest donor to the 527 advocacy groups, a category named for the section of the tax code that covers them. He pledged $10 million to America Coming Together for a registration and get-out-the-vote drive, but gave a total of $14.5 million.

His other contributions to Democratic 527's are $2.5 million to Move On.org Voter Fund; $325,000 to Young Voter Alliance; $325,000 to 21st Century Democrats; $300,000 to the Real Economy Group; and $250,000 to Democracy for America.

He has also pledged $3 million to the Center for American Progress, a research group led by John Podesta, President Bill Clinton's chief of staff. Mr. Soros has given $1.5 million to the center.

He said that in this election year he had had minimal contact with Mr. Kerry, largely because campaign finance laws bar coordination between candidates and 527's, and he is such a large donor to the 527's that such contact would be not be correct.

The two men are neighbors in Sun Valley, Idaho.

"We used to have dinners as a foursome,'' Mr. Soros said, "and I got to know him quite well. We spent a whole afternoon over Christmas in 2001 talking about foreign policy."

Although he said he did not necessarily share all of Mr. Kerry's views, he added, "I'm very confident he would make a very good president."

Asked what kind of bang he was getting for his buck in the campaign, Mr. Soros did not criticize the Democrats but said, "I'm anxious that reality is being sufficiently distorted by the Bush campaign that he may actually be re-elected, otherwise I wouldn't go on this campaign."

Mr. Soros stopped short of saying the Democrats had run an ineffective campaign, saying he knew nothing of political strategy.

Despite his contributions, Mr. Soros said he thought money in politics should be reduced. He gave $18 million last year to overhauling the finance system, but said he saw no contradiction between that and the millions he is giving this year.

"I play by the rules that prevail," he said. "I've got a bevy of lawyers making sure that I do. At the same time, I'm in favor of improving the rules."


Free Trial of The New York Times Electronic Edition.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL @ W*GS' usual right-wing propaganda in response to the Bush/Unocal/Taliban question.

W*GS obviously Googled "Bush/Taliban/Unocal" or some such string, and ignored all the documents produced except for those which proferred right-wing spin and disinfo.

While Governor of Texas, bush allowed the Taliban (who were at that time harboring Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan) to meet with his Unocal cronies to negotiate the oil pipeline in question. If W*GS had actually seen F 9/11 then he would have seen the vidoetaped evidence. (Not that Moore was the first or only person to report this story.) Why are you trying to let Smirk off the hook, W*GS?

What do you want to bet W*GS was one of those people who thought the cops in the Rodney King beating should have been acquitted and that the videotape didn't prove that King had really been beaten?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Without success"? I've already shown one teeny example of Moore's manipulations; I can list dozens more.

All you have "shown" is already-discredited right-wing propaganda. Blueflame, myself, and others have shown your assertions about Moore to be erroneous, yet you persist in repeating them.

Easy. Google "Carlyle Soros". There are ample examples. It's not "alleged", it's actual.

If it's so "easy" then you should be able to provide some legit sources.

If Soros was spending millions supporting Bush, you'd be all over him like stink on fecal matter.

And you would be defending his right to freedom of speech.

Why won't you discuss the Saudi/Clinton connection? What was the amount of the "gift" they gave him for his "library"?

Last I checked, Clinton didn't own or run a business that was bankrolled by a Saudi bank principal who was simultaneously funding al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

Why do you give bush a pass (by diverting to Clinton) for accepting money from a known terrorist sponsor?

[W*GS]

LOL @ W*GS' usual right-wing propaganda in response to the Bush/Unocal/Taliban question.

Wrong.

While Governor of Texas, bush allowed the Taliban (who were at that time harboring Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan) to meet with his Unocal cronies to negotiate the oil pipeline in question.

Bush didn't meet the Taliban representatives; however, Clinton administration officials did. The Clinton administration supported the pipeline as well. In any case, the deal was off by the time Bush became President.

Once again, Moore manipulates the facts by showing only part of the story, leaving out the parts that don't implicate Bush.

[W*GS]

All you have "shown" is already-discredited right-wing propaganda. Blueflame, myself, and others have shown your assertions about Moore to be erroneous, yet you persist in repeating them.

You, in particular, LABF, have shown nothing. I've got lots more Moore deceptions we can go over.

If it's so "easy" then you should be able to provide some legit sources.

http://www.culturechange.org/CarlyleEmpire.html
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Carlyle_Group
http://www.rense.com/general45/georgesorosistheissue.htm
http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm

There are at least 5,800 more hits.

And you would be defending his right to freedom of speech.

Yes, I would. And you'd be attacking him - but since he's supporting defeating Bush, nary a peep from you. Hypocrisy on your part, LABF.

Why do you give bush a pass (by diverting to Clinton) for accepting money from a known terrorist sponsor?

Why have you given Clinton a pass for accepting money from a known terrorist sponsor? How much money did the Saudis "give" Clinton for his "library", LABF?

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If I were you W*gs i would just watch the movie. Im sure you can get it for free online. Honestly it really doesnt have a whole lot of damning info in it (alot of it false). That way LABF wouldn't be able to say well you didnt see it so how do you know, which by the way is a stupid argument.

[W*GS]

If I were you W*gs i would just watch the movie. Im sure you can get it for free online. Honestly it really doesnt have a whole lot of damning info in it (alot of it false). That way LABF wouldn't be able to say well you didnt see it so how do you know, which by the way is a stupid argument.

I'm not wasting my time just so LABF can't make a stupid argument.

[shakenbake]

I'm not wasting my time just so LABF can't make a stupid argument.

Yea but I do belive it would streghten yours. Honestly, after watching the movie and knowing what is true and what isn't I came away thinking....whats the the fuss about. Thats all you got. If I had simular views to Moore's I would have been really dissapointed in it.