View Full Version : Meet the Real George W. Bush
Rohirrim
10-19-2004, 08:42 AM
(Excerpt)
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Read the rest of the article here (if you have the guts):
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?oref=login&pagewanted=all&position&oref=regi
And now the question is: Is this a government of, by and for the people, or something else entirely?
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2004, 12:04 AM
Apparently, Orwell was only off by two decades.
http://www.bartcop.com/osama-good.jpg
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2004, 01:15 AM
Bush Receives Endorsement From Iran
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
TEHRAN, Iran - The head of Iran's security council said on Tuesday the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's axis of evil label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country's nuclear ambitions.
Historically, Democrats have harmed Iran more than Republicans, said Hasan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, Iran's top security decision-making body.
"We haven't seen anything good from Democrats," Rowhani told state-run television in remarks that, for the first time in recent decades, saw Iran openly supporting one U.S. presidential candidate over another.
more: http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041019/ap/d85qnesg0.html
So, remember when Britian had a poll on the U.S. Prez and the freepers slammed Britian for sticking their noses in the U.S. election? Our allies, right?
So, now Iran endorses Bush? My, my. What WILL the freepers say? Will they accept this endorsement from one of the leading terrorist-harboring nations?
Rohirrim
10-20-2004, 01:32 PM
So, now Iran endorses Bush? My, my. What WILL the freepers say? Will they accept this endorsement from one of the leading terrorist-harboring nations?
Only if they include a check and sign the loyalty oath. rofl
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2004, 01:39 PM
Only if they include a check and sign the loyalty oath. rofl
LOL
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-20-2004, 06:25 PM
Bush's Texas Rangers plot thickens into tax evasion and more
October 20, 2004—As if Bush's sale of his $606,000 share of Texas Rangers stock to owner Tom Hicks for $15 million wasn't enough, there's more from deep in the heart of Texas to nail the good old boy, namely the possibility of tax evasion. That is, Bush declared the proceeds as a long-term capital gain, which it wasn't, as opposed to ordinary income, which it was. This means Bush paid at the capital gains' rate of 20 percent as opposed to the ordinary income rate of 39.6 percent. Beating the IRS out of nearly 20 percent in additional taxes. But the fun doesn't stop there...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102404Mazza/102404mazza.html
broncogary
10-20-2004, 07:07 PM
Only if they include a check and sign the loyalty oath. rofl
Hey, that was only one line: it can't be taken seriously.
watermock
10-21-2004, 12:42 AM
1991
Arlington citizens, by a 2-to-1 margin, approve public funds for the new $191 million ballpark.
Bush wasn't governor till 1993. Bush was a minority owner. In case your too much of a dimwit to notice, many other owners have gotten rich, including Pat Bowlen, Snyder and Bidwell, including many others. The fact of the matter is a new stadium increases the value of any franchise by at least a magnitude. Do you think Jerry Jones doesn't want Texas to pay for most of his new stadium?
Let me repeat, Arlington didn't have to vote for a new stadium by 2-1. It's not all legit, ask Bowlen about our 3rd rounder if you don't believe me. Greasy Al has tried for years to get a stadium, but FaiderFan is so apathetic, they could care less.
Not only that, the whole Blog was full of assertions from a totally hostile site. I guess when you marry a washed up Hag and clear 500 million like Kerry, that's legit. At least Bush made it the old fashoned way, by stealing it. How much do you think Bowlen has made by getting his new palace contructed? And how they come running to suck off his teat. Al Davis, the NFL, Kaiser....
The Broncos were worth, (I'm not going to bother be exact, but I believe it was something like 61-65 million, and he didn't have close to that kind of money at that time either. Now it's probably worth 700 million. That's a ten fold increase isn't it?
600,000 to 6 million would be similiar, except the team was sold for an even more lucrative amount proportionately.
Do you think Bush had the big say on the sale with a stake of only 600K? He was a minority stakeholder. I have never said Bush's hands were clean, I am just pointing out that it hasn't been unusual to make wealth thru new stadiums to drastically increase wealth. He cashed in. BFD. He didn't vote, Arlington did, and he was a minority holder and basically had no say whatsoever.
I never said Bush wasn't promised a piece of the pie. It is Texas right? That's about as legit as anything else with the exeption of California and the entire east coast.
watermock
10-21-2004, 12:46 AM
It's pretty slick when you can just marry into half a billion instead of being crafty enough to do it the old fashoned way. Or new fashoned way.
And the assertions about Milken are just ludicrous in the Blog.
watermock
10-21-2004, 12:53 AM
So, remember when Britian had a poll on the U.S. Prez and the freepers slammed Britian for sticking their noses in the U.S. election? Our allies, right?
So, now Iran endorses Bush? My, my. What WILL the freepers say? Will they accept this endorsement from one of the leading terrorist-harboring nations?
First, it was the Guardian, which makes Pravda look conservative, and of course, our terrorist enemys that we should look at for electoral guidance.
I allready explained why Iran wants Bush. They don't want him, they want to disrupt the elections even more. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Here we have your typical dimwits. Britan hates the USA, but Iran is our friend. It's so amusing.
Iran hates us, and Britan is an ally. At least untill the crafty enemy convinces the rest of Europe, filthy in blood in fact, is ready to bend over to IslamoFacism.
Rascal
10-21-2004, 02:11 AM
1991
Arlington citizens, by a 2-to-1 margin, approve public funds for the new $191 million ballpark.
Bush wasn't governor till 1993. Bush was a minority owner. In case your too much of a dimwit to notice, many other owners have gotten rich, including Pat Bowlen, Snyder and Bidwell, including many others. The fact of the matter is a new stadium increases the value of any franchise by at least a magnitude. Do you think Jerry Jones doesn't want Texas to pay for most of his new stadium?
Let me repeat, Arlington didn't have to vote for a new stadium by 2-1. It's not all legit, ask Bowlen about our 3rd rounder if you don't believe me. Greasy Al has tried for years to get a stadium, but FaiderFan is so apathetic, they could care less.
Not only that, the whole Blog was full of assertions from a totally hostile site. I guess when you marry a washed up Hag and clear 500 million like Kerry, that's legit. At least Bush made it the old fashoned way, by stealing it. How much do you think Bowlen has made by getting his new palace contructed? And how they come running to suck off his teat. Al Davis, the NFL, Kaiser....
The Broncos were worth, (I'm not going to bother be exact, but I believe it was something like 61-65 million, and he didn't have close to that kind of money at that time either. Now it's probably worth 700 million. That's a ten fold increase isn't it?
600,000 to 6 million would be similiar, except the team was sold for an even more lucrative amount proportionately.
Do you think Bush had the big say on the sale with a stake of only 600K? He was a minority stakeholder. I have never said Bush's hands were clean, I am just pointing out that it hasn't been unusual to make wealth thru new stadiums to drastically increase wealth. He cashed in. BFD. He didn't vote, Arlington did, and he was a minority holder and basically had no say whatsoever.
I never said Bush wasn't promised a piece of the pie. It is Texas right? That's about as legit as anything else with the exeption of California and the entire east coast.
Quotting you since LABF has you on ignore.
Rascal
10-21-2004, 02:12 AM
It's pretty slick when you can just marry into half a billion instead of being crafty enough to do it the old fashoned way. Or new fashoned way.
And the assertions about Milken are just ludicrous in the Blog.
Again.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2004, 03:42 AM
Quotting you since LABF has you on ignore.
Let me quote this part again for Willie the Wino's benefit:
That is, Bush declared the proceeds as a long-term capital gain, which it wasn't, as opposed to ordinary income, which it was. This means Bush paid at the capital gains' rate of 20 percent as opposed to the ordinary income rate of 39.6 percent. Beating the IRS out of nearly 20 percent in additional taxes.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102404Mazza/102404mazza.html
watermock
10-21-2004, 03:57 AM
Let me quote this part again for Willie the Wino's benefit:
That is, Bush declared the proceeds as a long-term capital gain, which it wasn't, as opposed to ordinary income, which it was. This means Bush paid at the capital gains' rate of 20 percent as opposed to the ordinary income rate of 39.6 percent. Beating the IRS out of nearly 20 percent in additional taxes.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102404Mazza/102404mazza.html
First, it's an assertion it wasn't long term captital gains. It totally depends on how you structure it. I seriously doubt your some sort of tax consultant.
BTW, Since John Kerry is in the top 2 percent of income, and that is who he wants to tax, why didn't he simply click the box that raises his taxes to the pre-tax level?
Leading by example again?
Finally, as long as he is paid in increments, it doesn't have to be a short term capital gain. All you have to do is sell of some at a time. How do you know if part of the franchise was sold off some at a time? You can have a graduated sale.
You don't have a clue what incorporation is. He didn't have to sell his whole interest at once dimwit. Because it's incorporated, he can sell all at once, or some at a time. Now he might of sold it all and it was overlooked, but since the SEC/IRS seemed to overlook it, I guess we assume he's at least a facsimile of Soros. Talk about the kettle calling itself black.
Soros peed that out after wrecking the English Pound. Yeah, he's a real patriot for wiping out England, and guess what, Soros sold so short it made the stock crash much worse than it should of been. But that's your hero isn't it.
watermock
10-21-2004, 04:10 AM
We allready heard it you dimwit. You don't have to sell all of an incorporated asset at once. Is this beyond your comprehension? If I sell your body for 25 cents, I can't chop off your balls one at a time. You are owned.
A minority owner can sell off any or all of his holdings at any time. Your don't have a clue so I will explain it again. Suppose I own 20000 shares of IBM. Just because I sell 5 thousand shares, doesn't mean it has to be taxed as 20000 shares. Do you possibly understand yet?
Just another question LABS, is the "Online Journal" posting a Blog a tax expert?
And second, I suppose it's a conspiracy against Private Citizen Bush correct, since as allready explained, was a private Citizen at that point. But the point is, you don't have to lump sum anything incorporated anything more than you do a stock holding. A Ball Club isn't a piece of real estate unless that same piece is held in one piece.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2004, 04:30 AM
Robert Bly: 'Clearly, Emperor has no clothes'
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5041158.html
In reality, the horrible event called the Bush presidency is over now. It remains only to start the sort of planning that enabled MacArthur to retrieve what he could from the fall of Manila. Elaborate failures in high places have happened before. It's a repeating event in American history, and in the history of every nation.
President Bush has not really registered the failures in his life. When his early oil venture failed, he was bailed out by the Saudi oil family or by his father. But when he bets all his money on a lunatic invasion of Iraq, no one can bail him out. During his debates with John Kerry, no one could bail him out. When Kerry told him, in front of millions of people, that the war was wrongly begun, wrongly planned, wrongly carried out, he had to resort to making faces. There is only so much the Saudi oil family can do.
It has become clear that the Emperor has no clothes. The Grimm Brothers fairy story tells us that if the Emperor's people report that the Emperor is well-dressed, all the people standing around will swear they see the same thing. But his nakedness became visible during those amazingly vivid Bush-Kerry debates. The Emperor's lack of clothes is part of a larger failure.
watermock
10-21-2004, 04:38 AM
Robert Bly talking for Minnesota Star Tribune.
How amusing. It's an editorial without a single link. It might as be a food review.
watermock
10-21-2004, 04:39 AM
You totally ignored my comments, relying on an editorial.