Dems politicize Christopher Reeves death

[errand]

Democrat VP nominee John Edwards has been quoted as saying that people who are doomed to a life in a wheel chair will be able to walk when Kerry wins the presidency.

He said this despite the fact that embryonic stem cell research hasn't saved one life...or cured one illness.

Other Dems have been blasting president Bush for his limits on stem cell research basically saying that Bush chose a itsy bitsy cell over Chris Reeves life.

So those of you who are paraplegic and quadraplegic can just toss out those wheel chairs and Rascal scooter's your in on Nov. 3rd................

[broncogary]

What he meant to say was that he would support plaintiff's attorneys suing Smarty Jones for damages caused to Reeve.

[Elevation 5280']

These people are despicable.

[Pat Bowlen]

Yeah, that's a pretty stupidass thing for Edwards to say.

Link?

[kappys]

Democrat VP nominee John Edwards has been quoted as saying that people who are doomed to a life in a wheel chair will be able to walk when Kerry wins the presidency.

He said this despite the fact that embryonic stem cell research hasn't saved one life...or cured one illness.

Other Dems have been blasting president Bush for his limits on stem cell research basically saying that Bush chose a itsy bitsy cell over Chris Reeves life.

So those of you who are paraplegic and quadraplegic can just toss out those wheel chairs and Rascal scooter's your in on Nov. 3rd................

They have done it in rats though. using stem cells they have managed to repair spinal cord transections in rats, allowing them to walk/crawl again.

the ability may be there in humans sooner than we think if stem cells are available. It will depend on the type of inury(the rats had clean scalpel transections), `and acquiring some human trials - but it is closer than many think.

I disagree with Bush's position on this one. People are getting abortions anyways, may as wll use the cells.

[errand]

They have done it in rats though. using stem cells they have managed to repair spinal cord transections in rats, allowing them to walk/crawl again.

the ability may be there in humans sooner than we think if stem cells are available. It will depend on the type of inury(the rats had clean scalpel transections), `and acquiring some human trials - but it is closer than many think.

I disagree with Bush's position on this one. People are getting abortions anyways, may as wll use the cells.

So based on how a rat responds to research means it'll work on humans? Get real, there has been no breakthroughs in spinal cord regeneration research at all....or do you think this research just started a few years ago? Nick Buonoconti's son wwas paralyzed in a football game while attending the Citadel, and nick's poured hundreds of thousands of his own money into the research and every year he holds a fund raiser to help fund research in the hope that a cure would be found....it hasn't happened.

Besides, the point is Edwards has stated that it will happen in the next 4 years....if they elect Kerry that is.

[Elevation 5280']

Yeah, that's a pretty stupidass thing for Edwards to say.

Link?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/

[broncogary]

Hey, no fair quoting leftist links.

[Elevation 5280']

Oops! It's the first one I could find......but even they can't make him look too good on this...though it seems they try to.

[bendog]

I'm still curious how Dems can politicize a guy's death, when for the remainder of his life after a tragic accident the guy made research and treatment of spinal injuries his life's focus. I think the reality is that BushII/Rove made Reagan's death a circus they tied their cart too with BushII annoiting him Reagan's successor, and Nancy and Ron demurred because of stem cell issue, and that grates on some gopers.

It's sort of pathetic, imo, to diss Reeves, who without a doubt would prefer to see BushII sent home on this issue. But, I can also understand that they'd be annoyed with Ron Jr for speaking at the Dems convention. I think he is truly pissed at BushII for holding up stem cell research, but at heart he's always been a Dem, so in that sense speaking at the convention was a diss. There are gopers who disagree with BushII on many issues, but they don't speak at the Dems convention.

[gunns]

If the research weren't so hampered by what they can and cannot do maybe we would find out if it would truly work and most people in the know think it will. For those that think nothing is being accomplished, you are misinformed. There is a lot of progress being made in spinal cord injuries and there are people who are walking again who weren't supposed to be able to. It depends on the severity of the injury. Reeves was able to move his feet again before he died. This might seem like a small thing but a huge accomplishment for someone with the injury he had and a huge stride in spinal cord work. Of course these accomplishments weren't because of stem cell research. So why don't we move forward for the sake of these people. Bush's holier than thou attitude just aint cutting it.

[errand]

...and of course Bush is being villified because all he did was become the first president to fund stem cell research. But because he limited the number of lines in the embryonic part, he's a cruel and heartless bastard now right?

[bendog]

the irony: the "conservative" guy 1. stopped people who had frozen their own embryos from donating them for scientific reasearch and 2. used deficit spending to fund research that previously was privately funded.

[Taco John]

I think Reeves politicized his own death by being an activist.

[azbronco]

They have done it in rats though. using stem cells they have managed to repair spinal cord transections in rats, allowing them to walk/crawl again.

the ability may be there in humans sooner than we think if stem cells are available. It will depend on the type of inury(the rats had clean scalpel transections), `and acquiring some human trials - but it is closer than many think.

I disagree with Bush's position on this one. People are getting abortions anyways, may as wll use the cells.
From what I have heard this procedure causes rampant cancer generation throughout the body. You would be able to walk in a year if you weren't going to die of cancer in two months?

[baja]

I think Reeves politicized his own death by being an activist.

Exactly. It is my opinion Christoper Reeves would want his death to be used anyway possible that would further the cause he was passionate about.

[Elevation 5280']

Exactly. It is my opinion Christoper Reeves would want his death to be used anyway possible that would further the cause he was passionate about.

Even an outright lie? You really think that if Kerry is elected people will get up and walk out of their wheel chairs?

I think he could have chosen his words more carefully. I don't think Reeve would have wanted his name used in this type of political context. Sure he was a liberal, but I would hope that he would accept help from the right or wherever it might be forthcoming......and Bush is the only U.S. President to ever provide some federal help. Besides, there is no proof that the embryonic stem cells will be any more helpful than those currently being studied.

[Spider]

Even an outright lie? You really think that if Kerry is elected people will get up and walk out of their wheel chairs?

I think he could have chosen his words more carefully. I don't think Reeve would have wanted his name used in this type of political context. Sure he was a liberal, but I would hope that he would accept help from the right or wherever it might be forthcoming......and Bush is the only U.S. President to ever provide some federal help. Besides, there is no proof that the embryonic stem cells will be any more helpful than those currently being studied.
Hope is a powerfull tool ......... you dont think Reeves wanted his name used that way ? How well did you know Reeves ? or you just stating your Opinion of a Man that you dont know ?

[TailgateNut]

Hope is a powerfull tool ......... you dont think Reeves wanted his name used that way ? How well did you know Reeves ? or you just stating your Opinion of a Man that you dont know ?

Amen brother, I'm still hoping they find a solution to my "screwed up back syndrome". Thanks to my military stint. According to my "exit" physical, everything was ok. BS! Been livin' with it for 20 yrs!

[bendog]

I think if Kerry is elected researchers will get access to more frozen embryos and research may speed up a bit, and someday, prolly not for me but maybe my kid, she and her husband can store some embryos that will cure them of stuff like paralysis or alzheimers.

[TheDave]

So based on how a rat responds to research means it'll work on humans?


That is how research is done numb nuts... nearly every medical breakthough in our lifetime has begun as experimentation on rats... not like i would expect anything else from the flat earth society members. Just admit it your god Bush should stop hiding behind rediculous religous philosophies and open up all stem cell lines to testing and research. From everything i have read/studied on this the benefits of this research will be incredible.

[Spider]

That is how research is done numb nuts... nearly every medical breakthough in our lifetime has begun as experimentation on rats... not like i would expect anything else from the flat earth society members. Just admit it your god Bush should stop hiding behind rediculous religous philosophies and open up all stem cell lines to testing and research. From everything i have read/studied on this the benefits of this research will be incredible.
LOL Welcome back Dave ...........

[bendog]

yeah, from his pic the rehab didn't take though. (-:

[Elevation 5280']

Hope is a powerfull tool ......... you dont think Reeves wanted his name used that way ? How well did you know Reeves ? or you just stating your Opinion of a Man that you dont know ?

How well did you know him? Did anybody here know him? All we have is our opinions, I thought I was fair.

I at least knew him well enough to know that his name was REEVE not REEVES!

[Spider]

How well do you know him? Does anybody here know him? All we have is our opinions, I thought I was fair.

I at least knew him well enough to know that his name is REEVE not REEVES!
I see Spelling is what you come back with .After all you are the one claiming to speak for the man , i was just wondering how well you knew him ....

[Falconer]

That is how research is done numb nuts... nearly every medical breakthough in our lifetime has begun as experimentation on rats... not like i would expect anything else from the flat earth society members. Just admit it your god Bush should stop hiding behind rediculous religous philosophies and open up all stem cell lines to testing and research. From everything i have read/studied on this the benefits of this research will be incredible.

Then you would also be aware that much experimentation done on mice and rats does not prove fruitful later on. I agree that it is a first step, but let's not make it out to be more than what it is at this point.

I also like to point out that if the benefits will be so incredible we should be seeing them any day now, as most European countries have been carrying on this research for some time now. Maybe, just maybe, stem cells aren’t the Holy Grail that some believe.

Finally, it is nice to know that people who do not share your ideological viewpoint would be part of the flat earth society and hiding behind ridiculous religious philosophy.

[TheDave]

Then you would also be aware that much experimentation done on mice and rats does not prove fruitful later on. I agree that it is a first step, but let's not make it out to be more than what it is at this point.
I also like to point out that if the benefits will be so incredible we should be seeing them any day now, as most European countries have been carrying on this research for some time now. Maybe, just maybe, stem cells aren’t the Holy Grail that some believe.

Falc, Not sure what your background is in this, but mine is pretty good. There is always a chance of these types of research generating nothing worth while. Not here, This research either alone or combined with gene tharapies in the near future will make medical advances never before seen. As for seeing the results, that takes time. sorry but this kind of work doesn't happen overnight. Whether this research is the holy grail or not, we will only find out through research. Stop holding it up with relegion.

Finally, it is nice to know that people who do not share your ideological viewpoint would be part of the flat earth society and hiding behind ridiculous religious philosophy.

:kiddingme

[azbronco]

So Dave, are you cloning yourself some kids?
Just kidding, but just because science can create something doesn't mean we automatiacally use it. The use of the embryos is not neccisarily religious. You could be an athiest and still be against it. Taking one life to make another or fix another. Dr. Frankenstien would be proud.

[TheDave]

So Dave, are you cloning yourself some kids?
Just kidding, but just because science can create something doesn't mean we automatiacally use it. The use of the embryos is not neccisarily religious. You could be an athiest and still be against it. Taking one life to make another or fix another. Dr. Frankenstien would be proud.

The majority of the embrios being debated here are being destroyed now! why not use them for research. Why is it more ethical to thow them out? And what the hell does Frankenstein have to do with this?

[The Lamma]

Speaking as an atheist and one who knows many atheists, I can tell you that I've not encountered a single one of us who are against stem cell research. I'm sure that somewhere out there there's an atheist or two who are against it but I've never seen one.

It is primarily a religious issue that has its base in the abortion debate. To remain consistent anti-aboritionists must protest human stem cell research. Therefore, the blockage of future medical treatment to suffering human beings not only smacks of religious oppression, it is religious oppression.

Certainly the ethics of this research must be well thought out and to my mind they have been.
If those against the research don't want aborted fetuses to be used, I understand that. But what if a woman wants to donate her eggs before getting her tubes tied? Those eggs will never produce a human life but instead will simply go to waste. Or should a couple not have the right to control the amount of kids they have?

What about couples who have multiple eggs fertilized and frozen? Once success occurs those embryos are disposed of as they're no longer needed. Again, that tissue will simply be thrown away.

Consider as well that if one doesn't want to be treated with stem cell advancements they don't have to be. No adult can be forced to undergo any kind of medical treatment or operation against their will.

These advancements hold such promise that it's immoral to not do everything in our power to develop them. Should the Dems be making bull**** statements about people walking again in 4 years? Of course not. That however does not mean stem cell research should be handicapped by those who wish it didn't exist.

Bush allowed a paltry 25 million to be granted towards stem cell research. Anyone who knows anything about medical research knows that 25 million is a half of a drop in the bucket when it comes to what's needed to do the basic research, carry out tests, and eventually pass muster in terms of patient treatment.

People believed that Louis Pasteur was crazy. That his research would never amount to anything. Many religionists in the 19th century claimed that anasthetic was immoral because man was meant to suffer.

Our government is willing to fund billions to find a cure for AIDS which is 1) A virus and no virus has ever been cured and 2) A disease that by and large is one of behavioural choices, not bad luck.
But a possible cure for Alzheimers, paralyzation, and diabetes? Nope. That's so f'ing asinine it makes my head hurt.

Cloning and stem cell research promises to be the most pain saving, life improving, and life lengthening medical advancement in human history. What in the hell are we waiting for?

[Spider]

The majority of the embrios being debated here are being destroyed now! why not use them for research. Why is it more ethical to thow them out? And what the hell does Frankenstein have to do with this?
Of course throw them out ..... If Cancer and AIDS , and several other diseases get cured , the pharmacuetcal companies wont be able to sell thier high priced drugs.........

[TheDave]

Of course throw them out ..... If Cancer and AIDS , and several other diseases get cured , the pharmacuetcal companies wont be able to sell thier high priced drugs.........

You know, usually i don't by into conspiracy stuff like that, but the wannabe religious objection on this is so absurd I'm starting to think that there might be some truth to that.

[Spider]

You know, usually i don't by into conspiracy stuff like that, but the wannabe religious objection on this is so absurd I'm starting to think that there might be some truth to that.
I agree....... reason I have the view I do is My uncle died of Cancer a few months back , I saw all the Nurses , therapist , cost of Medication , cost of khemo therapy , Drs ......... it is mind blowing , the $$$ racked up

[Spider]

you know thinking about it . People in the Medical field have to be fed up ..... Insuance companies hitting them on one side , the cost of Needless test hitting them on the other ........ I dont think a doctor got into his proffession to count Pennies on a Patient ...... Talk about a Noble cause getting grabed by the nuts by the thirst of the almighty $ ......