I'm Tired of Being Told My Biggest Worry Should Be Islamic Terrorists . . .

[Cito Pelon]

What a load of garbage. I'm not gonna be painted into a corner over that minor threat. I'm not gonna pee my pants because of 9/11.

That was just a bump in the road. If you want to play at the Big Table, you better not pee your pants at the first minor challenge.

GWB peed his pants. He wants to play at the Big Table, but he played his first hand like the amateur he is. Colin Powell, the professional, told him how to play the next hands at the Big Table after 9/11, but GWB was too panicked too listen.

And America's now playing a shorter stack because GWB panicked when he had the best hand.

[BroncoInferno]

You're not kidding. We, sitting here at our computers, are more likely to be struck dead by a lightening bolt than by a terrorist. Good job by Rove and co. with their fear-mongering.

[watermock]

Keep repeating the Michael Moore Mantra:

"Terrorism is not a Threat".

You morons are quoting Michael Moron like lemmings.

[watermock]

We are not going to be struck dead at our computers. More likely we will suffer a power outage from an attack on the power grid.

Tell people they are safe on trips from London or Paris to New York that they have less of a chance of being hit by lightning!

Your still living in the pre-9/11 world and your in total denial.

Did your great Grandpa support Wilson?

This totally amazes me.

[watermock]

What percentage of the US Population died in the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Was it much more than the chance of being struck by lightning or any other random event like a mudslide or hurricane?

Lightning, Hurricanes and Floods are acts of God. If you can't tell the difference between an act of God and an act of Terrorism I pity you.

[BroncoInferno]

No one said terrorism isn't a threat. It is. It should be taken seriously. But it isn't going to effect the average American the way the Rove-ian fear-mongers who want to deflect the issues away from Bush's piss poor domestic record would have us think. Afghanistan was the right move. Going wherever terrorist havens and WMDs exist is the right move. Iraq was not such a place. It's been handled poorly and hasn't made anyone in America safer. Again, being struck dead by a lightening bolt is a worse threat to the average American citizen than is death by a terrorist attack.

[watermock]

Was the terrorist bombing in Egypt an act of God? That would depend on who you asked wouldn't it.

Was sawing off the head of a 62 year old man in front of a camera after letting him plead for his life for 3 weeks an "act of God"? Depends on who you ask doesn't it.

Sit down and shut up. This has nothing to do with the incidence of lightning.

[BroncoInferno]

Was the terrorist bombing in Egypt an act of God? That would depend on who you asked wouldn't it.

Was sawing off the head of a 62 year old man in front of a camera after letting him plead for his life for 3 weeks an "act of God"? Depends on who you ask doesn't it.

Sit down and shut up. This has nothing to do with the incidence of lightning.

You sit down and shut up you old, drunk piece of sh*t. The average American citizen is more likely to die in a plane crash, by a bolt of f*cking lightening, than they are to die in a terrorist attack. You've obviously swallowed the fear-mongering. Too bad for you.

[watermock]

No one said terrorism isn't a threat. It is. It should be taken seriously. But it isn't going to effect the average American the way the Rove-ian fear-mongers who want to deflect the issues away from Bush's piss poor domestic record would have us think. Afghanistan was the right move. Going wherever terrorist havens and WMDs exist is the right move. Iraq was not such a place. It's been handled poorly and hasn't made anyone in America safer. Again, being struck dead by a lightening bolt is a worse threat to the average American citizen than is death by a terrorist attack.

Dont' spin it to me. It's not a "Roavrian Fear Monger" at all. It's a CLEAR AND PRESENT THREAT. WTF is wrong with you. Bush doesn't have a "piss poor" domestic record, he's cut taxes, if that's bad, then why don't you tell me how raising taxes is good. Iraq had every intention of restoring it's WMD programs, and I have allready shown where they are stored. It doesn't matter, they will never be used, they are too old. Iraq was allready negotiating with North Korea to buy their missles which had better guidance systems, thanks to Clinton giving them the super computers nessesary for MIRV guidance. Thanks Bill, and keep those campaign contributions coming.

As far as Rove goes, what don't you lood at Soros you dimwit.

Finally, before I really tear you a new one and pull out the entrails and show them to you, there have been mistakes made. What gives you the holy roller right to tell them that they haven't been trying. Taking joy in difficulty seems to be the order of the day. Was it easy on Tarawa? No. The difference was this enemy didn't fight, they simple ran off like cockroaches in the flashlight to come back.

We should of scrapped the "smart bombs" and simply pushed them into absolute submission. Our humanitarianism has come back to haunt us, and don't bother to argue, it's a fact.

[BroncoInferno]

Every study that's been done shows that Saddam had no WMDs since the end of Gulf War #1. So your assertion that they've been hidden is just that--an assertion, and one with very little to support it.

Terrorism is a threat. And we should address it when it's a "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER", to use your words. Iraq was NOT a clear and present danger, not even close. There are bigger threats to the average US citizen. Period. You are flat-a*s wrong to suggest otherwise. But that's usually where your positions always land, whether it be on sports or politics...the decidedly wrong side. You haven't ripped anyone. You are a delusional, drunken fool. Go to bed and sleep it off.

[watermock]

Every study that's been done shows that Saddam had no WMDs since the end of Gulf War #1. So your assertion that they've been hidden is just that--an assertion, and one with very little to support it.

Terrorism is a threat. And we should address it when it's a "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER", to use your words. Iraq was NOT a clear and present danger, not even close. There are bigger threats to the average US citizen. Period. You are flat-a*s wrong to suggest otherwise. But that's usually where your positions always land, whether it be on sports or politics...the decidedly wrong side. You haven't ripped anyone. You are a delusional, drunken fool. Go to bed and sleep it off.

The person making assertions is you. You are the one making accusations and insults. Do you think Syria and Iraq are the same place? Do you suggest we go check out the bunkers I have allready pointed out? We came damn close to invading Syria if you didn't know it, I'm telling you. It was a clear and present danger because Saddam did not comply with the CEASE FIRE conditions. Techically, there was never an end to the first war dimwit. Techincally, we didn't even have to ask anyone to mop up the job.

Just to assert I am wrong on every issue on sports and politics is just a pathetic attempt because I'm kicking your stupid ass to the curb as I type and you know it. Nothing I have said is delusional whatsoever.

As far as bigger threats to the US Citizen, I don't know if someone capped a shot into your apartment. Where I live, the keys are in the car and the door is unlocked 24/7. So maybe you should find a safer neighborhood, huh?

[watermock]

Every study that's been done shows that Saddam had no WMDs since the end of Gulf War #1. So your assertion that they've been hidden is just that--an assertion, and one with very little to support it.

I'm not even done with you since you decided to be an idiot. No WMD since Gulf War 1. Well JeeWillikers! Saddam was such a nice guy that he invaded the Basara gulf not once, but TWICE. He was a real swell guy. Why do you think he had his WMD in hiding? Only because Bush 1 had his boot on his neck. Get a clue. The war was never over dimwit.

Terrorism is a threat. And we should address it when it's a "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER", to use your words. Iraq was NOT a clear and present danger, not even close. There are bigger threats to the average US citizen. Period. You are flat-a*s wrong to suggest otherwise. But that's usually where your positions always land, whether it be on sports or politics...the decidedly wrong side. You haven't ripped anyone. You are a delusional, drunken fool. Go to bed and sleep it off.

What is a bigger threat, you didn't name a single one. Iraq isn't the only clear and present danger in the world dimwit, I simply said it WAS. Fortunately, it isn't anymore. Or did you want to continue to let the UN feed terrorism? 62 year old engineers being beheaded? CarBombs being set off in front of recruiting stations for freedom loving Iraqis and you think there is no clear and present danger?

Let me ask you this dimwit, what do you think is a clear and present danger?

[watermock]

You get all that clear and present danger from your father in law chasing your sister around in South Carolina there Hillbilly?

[mosca]

go ahead and tell the 2700 or so killed at the WTC that islamic terrorists are not a serious threat in this day and age.

what a truly distorted worldview.

[watermock]

Want me to pull up a link how Iraq was negotiating with N. Korea to buy missles but N. Korea backed off, saying "too much heat, Yankee watching too close?" Yeah, we had our boots on their necks. You don't get it do you. What if we didn't?

Then you have countries like N. Korea developing nuclear weapons under the "agreement" Clinton signed, and subsequently, missle technology going to Pakistan, and this missle technology is of very much interest to the remnanat of Al Qaeda, and they would try to do anything to use it from Rhyad to Islamibad to Manilla to Baghdad to New York.

Your totally overmatched here. Clear and Present Danger is exactly what I told you it was.

[BroncoInferno]

The person making assertions is you. You are the one making accusations and insults.

Yes, you never call anyone a dimwit without any provocation, do you? ::) Good lord, watermock crying about insults.

Do you think Syria and Iraq are the same place? Do you suggest we go check out the bunkers I have allready pointed out? We came damn close to invading Syria if you didn't know it, I'm telling you. It was a clear and present danger because Saddam did not comply with the CEASE FIRE conditions. Techically, there was never an end to the first war dimwit. Techincally, we didn't even have to ask anyone to mop up the job.

OK, the experts say that Saddam has had no WMDs since the first Guld War, yet somehow there is this sage on the internet calling himself watermock who knows better than these experts who have studied the issue. How has this all-knowing prophet not landed on the national scene? Why do the powers that be keep this god of knowledge out of the ears of the general public?!?! Ha!

Just to assert I am wrong on every issue on sports and politics is just a pathetic attempt because I'm kicking your stupid ass to the curb as I type and you know it. Nothing I have said is delusional whatsoever.

Yeah, you're kicking my ass all right. Ass-kickings always occur when the ass-kicker has the facts and studies going against him. Why do I even try? ROFL!


As far as bigger threats to the US Citizen, I don't know if someone capped a shot into your apartment. Where I live, the keys are in the car and the door is unlocked 24/7. So maybe you should find a safer neighborhood, huh?

:kiddingme Um, OK...sounds like you agree with me...you feel safe enough to keep your keys locked in your car.

[BroncoInferno]

Let me ask you this dimwit, what do you think is a clear and present danger?

Hmm...how bout N. Korea, which we know FOR A FACT has WMDs because they've admitted to having them and tested them openly. Not to mention the fact that they teach anti-American rhetoric in their schools. How bout Iran, which has moved ahead with a nuclear program, something we know for a fact? Next.

[Cito Pelon]

Mock, with all due respect, I like you as a warrior, but I said 9/11 was just a bump in the road. It wasn't a train wreck. No way we lose all sense over that.

I stated that Colin Powell, the professional, had it all played out in his head, all the right cards to play, post 9/11, and GWB panicked and played the last card he had, long before he had to.

And you support playing the last card before you have to? Is that what you're advising?

[watermock]

OK, the experts say that Saddam has had no WMDs since the first Guld War, yet somehow there is this sage on the internet calling himself watermock who knows better than these experts who have studied the issue. How has this all-knowing prophet not landed on the national scene? Why do the powers that be keep this god of knowledge out of the ears of the general public?!?!

As I alluded to, that is a political question. There is great fear of firing up another lebanese war, and contrary to Bush's rhetoric, we simply don't have the troops to go into Syria. The mantra is to try to get Assad to cave rather than confront him at this point, at least until Iraq settles down. Our forces are allready in a semi-vice. The functional strategy is to let Israel deal with the Mediteranean Issues. As long as they are hidden, out of sight, out of mind. You don't have to believe me, a prominent Iraqi Scientist has allready pointed out where they took the WMD. The point is they are basically worthless. Iraq was trying to get shoestrings into the new missles that N Korea will sell to anyone. the old ones may very well be scrapped and never seen again. Trust me, there are scuds in Syria, but it's not worth the bother or diplomatic hassle. Let the cockroaches hide them. There is no political gain to accuse Syria while the idiot Powell is still going around like a lost child in a tricycle.

[watermock]

Hmm...how bout N. Korea, which we know FOR A FACT has WMDs because they've admitted to having them and tested them openly. Not to mention the fact that they teach anti-American rhetoric in their schools. How bout Iran, which has moved ahead with a nuclear program, something we know for a fact? Next.

Interesting you would bring this up, because it was Clinton that allowed them to build nuclear plants in exchange for oil and food.

What a deal. They get to build a nuclear plant, we give them food and oil, and all they have to do is promise not to build a nuclear weapon when they are China's puppet state. Nice move Bubba.

What happened? We sent Billions of food and oil to support the very same army that attacked Korea, and gave them the technology to build ICBM's as well as separate uranium oxides.

Nice move. The prompty went out of their way to sell to both Pakistan, and tried to sell to Saddam, but when Saddam gave 200 million to start the transfers, the N. Koreans kept the money, saying, the field was too hot to play. Now who made the field to hot? The French?

Regardless, the N. Koreans now claim they can hit the USA with an ICBM . It doesn't matter if it's not very accurate. Thank's Bubba. This is all stone cold fact. Try to tell me it isn't. You won't find anything. That's why troops are going down, among others. It's a nuclear state now.

[TomServo]

thats why troops in s. korea are pretty much worthless. pull 'em out and let gps missiles and bombs do the detterent for 'em_ . Oyeah kerry wants our troops to be the deterrent.

[Nick C.]

What a load of garbage. I'm not gonna be painted into a corner over that minor threat. I'm not gonna pee my pants because of 9/11.

That was just a bump in the road. If you want to play at the Big Table, you better not pee your pants at the first minor challenge.

GWB peed his pants. He wants to play at the Big Table, but he played his first hand like the amateur he is. Colin Powell, the professional, told him how to play the next hands at the Big Table after 9/11, but GWB was too panicked too listen.

And America's now playing a shorter stack because GWB panicked when he had the best hand.
great post and vaild points. This could and should have been a intelegince war. Bush has helped make the terroris successful.

[Popps]

I'm glad the loss of 3000 innocent Americans has been reduced to a "speed bump" by the MTV generation we live in.

One single terrorist attack was able to cause TRILLIONS of damage to our economy.

Trillions.

So, for those of you too callous and ADD to understand the human impact of terrorism, you might want to look at it from a financial stadpoint.
After all, most people taking on the "9-11 was a speedbump" stance are also feigning this kind of "I'm so concerned about the economy" thing.

If you're truly concerned about the economy... let me enlighten you. The next terrorist attack in this country will f#ck things up economically worse than outsourcing and tax cuts combined.

So, you folks enjoy the make-believe world... point at daddy and blame him for everything that's wrong with you.

The rest of us will address a changing globe with the seriousness it demands.

[Nick C.]

I'm glad the loss of 3000 innocent Americans has been reduced to a "speed bump" by the MTV generation we live in.

One single terrorist attack was able to cause TRILLIONS of damage to our economy.

Trillions.

So, for those of you too callous and ADD to understand the human impact of terrorism, you might want to look at it from a financial stadpoint.
After all, most people taking on the "9-11 was a speedbump" stance are also feigning this kind of "I'm so concerned about the economy" thing.

If you're truly concerned about the economy... let me enlighten you. The next terrorist attack in this country will f#ck things up economically worse than outsourcing and tax cuts combined.

So, you folks enjoy the make-believe world... point at daddy and blame him for everything that's wrong with you.

The rest of us will address a changing globe with the seriousness it demands.
how has attacking Iraq and even Afghanistan helped recover any of that "Trillions" of dollers of loss? other then a few fat cat's makeing there nice profits from war?

[watermock]

It's not "recovery" any more than you could recover a child turned to ash in the smoldering ruins of the WTC.

It's called retribution. We are pretty good at it. We probably didn't deliver enough in 1991

[watermock]

It was never about "recovering" anything. I use the term retribution because the politicians wont.

The WTC was the last straw. You think this was an isolated incident? Clinton was watching it happen day after day. He did nothing than lob a few cruise missles at camels the day of the Lewinsky trial.

Who are you trying to kid?

And Clinton is ten times the moderate of Kerry. I am literally terrified.

The gridlock on our Congress will be horrible.

[Popps]

how has attacking Iraq and even Afghanistan helped recover any of that "Trillions" of dollers of loss? other then a few fat cat's makeing there nice profits from war?

"makeing there profits"

How can I argue with that?

[Nick C.]

It's not "recovery" any more than you could recover a child turned to ash in the smoldering ruins of the WTC.

It's called retribution. We are pretty good at it. We probably didn't deliver enough in 1991
lmao WTF are you talking about Deliver retribution in 1991? retrabution for what? we where not attacked by Iraq we attacked Iraq retribution was not ours to make.

all you war mongers don't realize that while you clame presidents pass problems down to the next president. that by going to war with countrys like Iraq does nothing but producee more enemies of our nation in the future.

[Nick C.]

"makeing there profits"

How can I argue with that?

hmmm... sure doing most americans good :juggle:

[Taco John]

Iraq was allready negotiating with North Korea to buy their missles which had better guidance systems, thanks to Clinton giving them the super computers nessesary for MIRV guidance. Thanks Bill, and keep those campaign contributions coming.


You should get informed of what this administration is doing if you're going to make criticisms like that... (http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,49453,00.html)

[watermock]

lmao WTF are you talking about Deliver retribution in 1991? retrabution for what? we where not attacked by Iraq we attacked Iraq retribution was not ours to make.

First your way out of context. I was speaking not only for the dead who cannot speak from 9/11 from both the Towers, or even the Pentagon, or those dead on the grass of Pennsylvania, but those in the Kobar Towers, those in the Barracks of Lebanon, those in Somalia, those in Flights of 103 and 800.

Do you want more or should I show an asshole sawing off the head of a 62 year old man chanting in front of a black flag you dimwit. I can bring more but this should be enough.

First, I don't find it funny. And I wasn't talking about retribution in 1991.

all you war mongers don't realize that while you clame presidents pass problems down to the next president. that QUOTE]

I didn't ask YOU to find it funny. I said it was funny. What made me a war monger you dimwit? Huh? What made me a war monger? Because you clame? I am one?

You don't think problems are passed down from one president to the next? As far as making more enemy's, that is the product of the entire solution. I have gone thru this several times, how we are trying to maintain civility in war. Of course, you haven't bothered to pay attention.

[QUOTE]by going to war with countrys like Iraq does nothing but producee more enemies of our nation in the future.[/

While that may be true, but when you produce heat to a boil, the infection will run to the source of the infection wont it. I guess if you consider societies that have no problem with sawing off heads of 62 year old civilians and posting them on the internet some sort of quantum move forward of civilization I suggest you shut your ****ing mouth.

The fact is this is a demonic cult that has to be killed or it will learn a way to kill us all.

If you have a suggestion how to do it, I am all ears. For now, they seem the epitomy of evil to me.

[watermock]

You don't, and certainly John (kiss my rich wifes ass who isn't even American) have a clue how much danger the country is in.

It's totally amazing to me. The government keeps telling us and you keep telling us it's like being struck by lightning. Tell that to New York. Tell that to Flight 103. Tell that to flight 800. Tell that to two planes that went down over Russia last month.

Don't give me that crap! If I go down on Caddyshack like the Bishop I go down. I'm not going to put up with terrorists. You idiots don't see the difference. I don't kill a lightning bolt if it chooses me. I do get mad if some idiot takes a life for no reason.

Do you want me to give the link where they saw off the head of a 62 year old civillian?

But I guess it's all our fault right dimwit?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow! Did anyone catch this major WWF smackdown of the bush misadministration by Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan today? This guy takes no prisoners.

Video:

http://recap.fednet.net/archive/Buildasx.asp?sProxy=80_hflr100504_116.wmv,80_hflr1 00504_117.wmv&sTime=00:04:38.0&eTime=00:01:22.0&duration=00:01:44.0&UserName=ryan%252Ekeating%2540mail%252Ehouse%252Eg ov&sExpire=1

[watermock]

Yeah, That's on topic dimwit.

[TomServo]

all i know is john kerry talked a good game in the first debate. but good pple like us actually look at his record. the nuke freeze in th 80's yes. supporting the contras-No. SDi-No. the b-1-No. the b-2 -No. the sandanistas-yes. face it vietnam sh

[TomServo]

scuse me shaped all his decicisions

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

all i know is john kerry talked a good game in the first debate. but good pple like us actually look at his record.

It would be more accurate to say that people like you look at the Rove/GOP misrepresentation of Kerry's record.

[TomServo]

if i looked at life like you all-karl rove rules it would be scary.

[watermock]

You should get informed of what this administration is doing if you're going to make criticisms like that... (http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,49453,00.html)

Of course I knew it was inevitable. but to give China Tier 1 status you might as well give them the free ride.

I am reminded how all of a sudden in the aftermath of WW2, the Soviets managed to make an exact copy of a B-29. How the Soviets were able to make an exact copy of the atomic bomb.

How they were able to make an exact copy of the rolls royce and make a jet fighter better than our own in Korea, on a copy.

Of course, my objections spewn by history has no basis in the argument does it Taco? It's allready established that every piece of technology we send the reds pick apart like ants and simply copy.

Are you blind? The fact of the matter is you can't control it so why bother. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?

Say hello to our little friend the Matrix.

I am in the matrix and so are you. Maybe not in the glorified/diehard style of the movies, but the matrix notheless.

It used to amaze me, but the MTV Generation takes it for granted like television.

TV was a different deal. Now if your girlfriend is sucking off your best friend, her friend can snap it and send it right to you. "Hey look at this knumb nuts". Noone is safe at this point.

My point? Your comment. Oppenheimer said the cat was out of the bag 60 years ago. It's a miracle we have lasted this long.

You may consider me a fool, but unless there is a huge bulge in nuclear power, we are going to blow ourselves up.

It's not Dr. Strangelove. I wish it were.

It's Malthus and Pavlov.

Malthus will make Pavlov's dog to ignite Oppenhemer's appocalypse.

I have allready seen it in visions. I don't know from where.

[watermock]

In my opinion, there is only one thing to do.

It's almost another 50's movie.

If we don't have a nuclear exchange, in a limited scale, we will have an exchange in a catastophic exchange.

Again there are dual trains of thought. I just don't know how to negotiate with the enemy when it is sawing off heads of 62 year old civillians. Where do you meet? Where is common ground? They only saw off half the head?

It doesn't take a scientist to see these people are demonic. What are you people smoking? Sawing off a 62 year old man's head isn't enough? Do you have the balls to watch it?

Do you have the balls to watch it and see the Evil?

[Nick C.]

First your way out of context. I was speaking not only for the dead who cannot speak from 9/11 from both the Towers, or even the Pentagon, or those dead on the grass of Pennsylvania, but those in the Kobar Towers, those in the Barracks of Lebanon, those in Somalia, those in Flights of 103 and 800.

Do you want more or should I show an asshole sawing off the head of a 62 year old man chanting in front of a black flag you dimwit. I can bring more but this should be enough.



Again WTF are you talking about? you are mixing **** up more then a bartender.

you have been exposed as a gumpy old drunk that likes to pretend he knows politics.

[Mountainman]

The real terrorists are the people who run this country. They are the ones who engineered 9/11 and they are the ones who are overthrowing our constitution and bill of rights.

[Kaylore]

What a load of garbage. I'm not gonna be painted into a corner over that minor threat. I'm not gonna pee my pants because of 9/11.

That was just a bump in the road. If you want to play at the Big Table, you better not pee your pants at the first minor challenge.

GWB peed his pants. He wants to play at the Big Table, but he played his first hand like the amateur he is. Colin Powell, the professional, told him how to play the next hands at the Big Table after 9/11, but GWB was too panicked too listen.

And America's now playing a shorter stack because GWB panicked when he had the best hand.
That's right Cito. 9/11 was a fluke. A ruse. A bump in the road. The international effort to crack down on an imagined network that has rampaged across the world from the Phillipines to Italy is all a puppet show by Karl Rove over emphasizing small problems.

The hundreds of people that were killed in the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonessia was also an aberration.

The hundreds of school children that were ruthlessly murdered in Chechnya was probably just a clerical error at the Russian press.

The videos of civillians being beheaded by masked men joyfully singing over the bloody carcasses of innocent civillians from all over the world; these to are being blown out of preportion. It's probably more right-wing fear mongoring.

The three thousand people killed September 11 were probably thinking as the towers came down "Wow! This doesn't happen every day. Good thing this is a fluke!"

You people are the reason I'm scared for this country. The US isn't invincible. You'd think we learned that, but this thread shows otherwise. The title says it all. Well cito, maybe if we ignore them they'll go away. ;)

[patteeu]

I'm Tired of Being Told My Biggest Worry Should Be Islamic Terrorists . . .What a load of garbage. I'm not gonna be painted into a corner over that minor threat. I'm not gonna pee my pants because of 9/11.

I agree with Cito on this one. His biggest worry should be his paranoid delusions.

Leave the worrying about Islamist militancy to us, Cito. You just focus on getting your head straight.

[Exile_In_SJ]

simple solution to your problem. don't listen.

[patteeu]

You're not kidding. We, sitting here at our computers, are more likely to be struck dead by a lightening bolt than by a terrorist. Good job by Rove and co. with their fear-mongering.

The average American (and you in all likelihood), is more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to get AIDS. I guess that means that there is no point in doing AIDS research.

Did you happen to notice the economic disruption caused by 9/11. It may not have caused the recession, but if it weren't for a government bailout, we would have probably lost multiple airlines to bankruptcy. Imagine what a nuclear detonation in NYC will do to us. That is where we are headed. It might not happen this year or next, but it's coming. 9/11 gave us the wake up call. You can keep hitting the sleep button if you want, but some of the rest of us need to get up and go to work.

[W*GS]

The real terrorists are the people who run this country. They are the ones who engineered 9/11 and they are the ones who are overthrowing our constitution and bill of rights.

Change "9/11" to "OKC" and the date to 1995, and you've got the exact same mindset of the "militia" types I used to argue with back then. There's no evidence, or absence of evidence, that will sway the whackos like them and like "Mountainman" from their oh-so-obsessive and deluded beliefs.

Has anyone else noticed that the overboard conspiracy types always have some single frame of super-grainy overprocessed video as the cornerstone of their arguments? They "see" missiles coming from modified fighter jets, or guys with rifles on grassy knolls, or something like that, and all I see is vague pixels resembling psychadelic inkblots. I never did get those "3-D" posters either; maybe I just don't have a creative enough imagination.

Kinda reminds me of the UFO freaks whose best video always looks to me like a kid waving a flashlight around in a dark room being videotaped by another kid who put vaseline on the lens and went crazy with the "zoom" function.

[watermock]

You don't understand. Terrorism is just like Lightning or a Hurricane. It's an act of God, and you just go by the odds. If you run away to Montana, you can miss the blast and escape to Canada in your Mercedes.

[Mountainman]

Change "9/11" to "OKC" and the date to 1995, and you've got the exact same mindset of the "militia" types I used to argue with back then. There's no evidence, or absence of evidence, that will sway the whackos like them and like "Mountainman" from their oh-so-obsessive and deluded beliefs.

Has anyone else noticed that the overboard conspiracy types always have some single frame of super-grainy overprocessed video as the cornerstone of their arguments? They "see" missiles coming from modified fighter jets, or guys with rifles on grassy knolls, or something like that, and all I see is vague pixels resembling psychadelic inkblots. I never did get those "3-D" posters either; maybe I just don't have a creative enough imagination.

Kinda reminds me of the UFO freaks whose best video always looks to me like a kid waving a flashlight around in a dark room being videotaped by another kid who put vaseline on the lens and went crazy with the "zoom" function.

So according to your logic, anybody who doesn't buy into all the lies and propaganda that the government and the mainstream media puts out is a conspiracy nut. It shows just how shallow minded you really are.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm glad the loss of 3000 innocent Americans has been reduced to a "speed bump" by the MTV generation we live in.

One single terrorist attack was able to cause TRILLIONS of damage to our economy.

Trillions.

So, for those of you too callous and ADD to understand the human impact of terrorism, you might want to look at it from a financial stadpoint.
After all, most people taking on the "9-11 was a speedbump" stance are also feigning this kind of "I'm so concerned about the economy" thing.

If you're truly concerned about the economy... let me enlighten you. The next terrorist attack in this country will f#ck things up economically worse than outsourcing and tax cuts combined.

So, you folks enjoy the make-believe world... point at daddy and blame him for everything that's wrong with you.

The rest of us will address a changing globe with the seriousness it demands.

9/11 was nothing but a speed bump in the road to winning. People panicked, and our President panicked also, thereby escalating the panick.

Islamic terrorists can't be ignored, I've never said that. The big threat is the populace allowing the elite to drag society backwards to 1890.

I'm sick and tired of people like you running around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling," meanwhile the rich and powerful are saying, "give me back the power we had in 1890, and we'll give you a nice warm glass of milk and put you to bed." And you buy into it.

I don't pee my pants at the first challenge. I say, "You have a good punch, but I'm going to get all the stable Democracies together and grind you into the dust." That's how you win. You don't panick and start hopping around screaming like a chimpanzee, waving a stick.

Colin Powell had a perfect plan to dominate the chess board post-9/11, and GWB behaved like a chimpanzee with a stick. America and the world had a bright future on 9/12, a window of opportunity that was open with birds chirping and a beautiful sunrise showing, but Bush BLEW IT! He's the most ignorant fool of a President we've ever had.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm Tired of Being Told My Biggest Worry Should Be Islamic Terrorists . . .

What's really worrisome is the Idiot-in-Chief's refusal to be concerned about islamic terrorists when they are knocking on the door.

His failure to protect us on 9/11 should dispell any doubt about that.

(To say nothing of his abandonment of the war on terrorism to invade Iraq.)

The worst security failure/domestic attack in US history happens on this guy's watch and we're supposed to trust him to keep us safe?

What kind of convoluted logic is that?

Kerry did a good job of exposing BushCo's failure to establish adequate homeland security in last night's debate. Keep hammering him with the facts, Senator.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you want a safer America, choose John Kerry

Three years after 9/11, we are still under danger of terrorist attack, and Bush has done almost nothing to prevent it. Three years later, our ports are still not secure, emergency services in large cities are struggling under government cutbacks, and al Qaeda is bigger and stronger than ever.

George Bush has given so many tax breaks to the rich, he says we can no longer afford to do basic terrorism prevention and homeland security. When Senator Kerry listed basic security measures we still needed to take to prevent another 9/11, or worse, George Bush said "I don't think we want to get to how he's going to pay for all these promises." For three and a half years, George Bush has been cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy. George Bush is spending $200 billion dollars on the war in Iraq, but when it comes to keeping America safe, he doesn't want to get his government involved.

Bush is only attacking his opponent's words because Bush's record is so very, very bad. He can't run on the economy, he botched our fight against terrorism, and he's stuck America into a Vietnam-like war in which more people are dying every month, with no hope of success. Bush spent the debate complaining that "this is hard" instead of leveling with the American people. From his record of failure, it's obvious that the job is too hard for Mr. Bush. Americans need to give him that message loud and clear on election day. If you desire any kind of security for America, you must vote for John Kerry.

[Cito Pelon]

In my opinion, there is only one thing to do.

It's almost another 50's movie.

If we don't have a nuclear exchange, in a limited scale, we will have an exchange in a catastophic exchange.

Again there are dual trains of thought. I just don't know how to negotiate with the enemy when it is sawing off heads of 62 year old civillians. Where do you meet? Where is common ground? They only saw off half the head?

It doesn't take a scientist to see these people are demonic. What are you people smoking? Sawing off a 62 year old man's head isn't enough? Do you have the balls to watch it?
Do you have the balls to watch it and see the Evil?


"oh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Oh, did you see the guys head being cut off? Oh, how terrible! what evil!"

If I had a nickel for every human decapitated in the long drive to freedom and democracy, I'd be the richest man in the world.

Come on, Mock, you're a stronger man than that. I'm not going to give back my family's freedoms because of some hugely inflated threat from a tiny, tiny bunch of Islamic nuts.

With all due respect, you're selling out the legacy of thousands of years that got you the freedoms you now have.

[watermock]

You never answered me Cito. Where are your from? This is the third time I have asked. Got a problem answering?

[watermock]

"oh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Oh, did you see the guys head being cut off? Oh, how terrible! what evil!"

If I had a nickel for every human decapitated in the long drive to freedom and democracy, I'd be the richest man in the world.

Really, give me one example.

Come on, Mock, you're a stronger man than that. I'm not going to give back my family's freedoms because of some hugely inflated threat from a tiny, tiny bunch of Islamic nuts.

Again, where do you come from. You seem snug as a bug in a rug to me.

With all due respect, you're selling out the legacy of thousands of years that got you the freedoms you now have.

That's total garbage. The English gave us nothing and that was 250 years ago.

[Cito Pelon]

That's right Cito. 9/11 was a fluke. A ruse. A bump in the road. The international effort to crack down on an imagined network that has rampaged across the world from the Phillipines to Italy is all a puppet show by Karl Rove over emphasizing small problems.

The hundreds of people that were killed in the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonessia was also an aberration.

The hundreds of school children that were ruthlessly murdered in Chechnya was probably just a clerical error at the Russian press.

The videos of civillians being beheaded by masked men joyfully singing over the bloody carcasses of innocent civillians from all over the world; these to are being blown out of preportion. It's probably more right-wing fear mongoring.

The three thousand people killed September 11 were probably thinking as the towers came down "Wow! This doesn't happen every day. Good thing this is a fluke!"

You people are the reason I'm scared for this country. The US isn't invincible. You'd think we learned that, but this thread shows otherwise. The title says it all. Well cito, maybe if we ignore them they'll go away. ;)

I didn't say 9/11 was a ruse or a fluke. I expected 9/11, it was inevitable. My point is you can't pee your pants over it. It's just plain silly to go into a shell where it's us against the world, "If you're not with us, you're against us." We're not going to be able to WIN with that attitude.

Yeah, these Islamic nuts need to be neutralized, but to pee your pants over them is just plain silly.

Colin Powell had all the ducks laid in a row on 9/12, he had a grasp on the enormity of the moment, and Bush chose to act like a chimpanzee, instead of as a man.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bush has made the rest of the world more afraid of America than they are afraid of Islamic nuts. What that means is the rest of the world is more willing to gang up against the US, than they are to gang up against Islamic nuts.

[Cito Pelon]

I agree with Cito on this one. His biggest worry should be his paranoid delusions.

Leave the worrying about Islamist militancy to us, Cito. You just focus on getting your head straight.


I admire your warrior spirit. Go after em', get em', but don't lose sight of the Big Prize.

[Cito Pelon]

You don't understand. Terrorism is just like Lightning or a Hurricane. It's an act of God, and you just go by the odds. If you run away to Montana, you can miss the blast and escape to Canada in your Mercedes.

Substitute Mars for Montana.

[broncogary]

I agree with Cito on this one. His biggest worry should be his paranoid delusions.

Leave the worrying about Islamist militancy to us, Cito. You just focus on getting your head straight.

Exactly. Getting your head straight is the first step in pulling it out of your ass. :redbutt:

[watermock]

Substitute Mars for Montana.

No, that's the crackpot MountainMan. He's been quiet but is lurking. He's the one that said Bush was going to blow up the earth and rule it from Mars.

[Cito Pelon]

You never answered me Cito. Where are your from? This is the third time I have asked. Got a problem answering?

I was born in the USA. Are you trying to make a point? I'm a proud citizen of Colorado, USA, Earth, and Universe. My family gladly pays our taxes, we don't knuckle under to pressure from banks or landlords, we despise fat-mouthed punks, we have our best moments when we share with others less fortunate than ourselves. I like to break noses, ribs, and backs at times, with discretion. I protect my neighborhood without being an asshole, I seldom put all my eggs in one basket, I save for a rainy day.

Where are you from?

[Mountainman]

No, that's the crackpot MountainMan. He's been quiet but is lurking. He's the one that said Bush was going to blow up the earth and rule it from Mars.

Yeah right.

[watermock]

I like to break noses, ribs, and backs at times, with discretion.

Hey buddy. All I did was hit the short cord. I didn't physically threaten you.

I threw that out there, and totally anticipated the response. A lie and a threat.

[Cito Pelon]

Hey buddy. All I did was hit the short cord. I didn't physically threaten you.

I threw that out there, and totally anticipated the response. A lie and a threat.

What's your point?

[watermock]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:eS99L8ByFekJ:www.cnnfn.com/2000/11/10/redherring/herring_url/sock_puppet.jpg

[Cito Pelon]

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:eS99L8ByFekJ:www.cnnfn.com/2000/11/10/redherring/herring_url/sock_puppet.jpg

So much for the Cito vs. Mock Show.

[W*GS]

So according to your logic, anybody who doesn't buy into all the lies and propaganda that the government and the mainstream media puts out is a conspiracy nut. It shows just how shallow minded you really are.

Anyone who says "Bush regime engineered 9/11" is indeed a conspiracy nut. Congratulations, Mountainman, you win.

[Mountainman]

Anyone who says "Bush regime engineered 9/11" is indeed a conspiracy nut. Congratulations, Mountainman, you win.

Anybody who still believes the official story is a mindless sheep.

[watermock]

Change "9/11" to "OKC" and the date to 1995, and you've got the exact same mindset of the "militia" types I used to argue with back then. There's no evidence, or absence of evidence, that will sway the whackos like them and like "Mountainman" from their oh-so-obsessive and deluded beliefs.

Has anyone else noticed that the overboard conspiracy types always have some single frame of super-grainy overprocessed video as the cornerstone of their arguments? They "see" missiles coming from modified fighter jets, or guys with rifles on grassy knolls, or something like that, and all I see is vague pixels resembling psychadelic inkblots. I never did get those "3-D" posters either; maybe I just don't have a creative enough imagination.

Kinda reminds me of the UFO freaks whose best video always looks to me like a kid waving a flashlight around in a dark room being videotaped by another kid who put vaseline on the lens and went crazy with the "zoom" function.

You have to gaze thru the 3D posters. You can't glare at them like like some communist. You have to space out to see them. They are pretty cool actually. People get so frustrated when they can't see it. They will glare at the photo for half an hour. It's not in the details. It's in the undetails.

[patteeu]

Hmm...how bout N. Korea, which we know FOR A FACT has WMDs because they've admitted to having them and tested them openly. Not to mention the fact that they teach anti-American rhetoric in their schools. How bout Iran, which has moved ahead with a nuclear program, something we know for a fact? Next.

How do you know either of those things "for a fact?" You don't. NK said they had them, but then Saddam was trying to give the impression that he had them too. Iran says they are developing a peaceful nuclear program.

Don't get me wrong, I believe you are right in both cases, but the real fact is that we will never know these things for sure until the two countries either allow us to observe their nuclear weapons programs or until we see a detonation.

You are making the same mistake that the Bush administration apparently made wrt Iraq.

[errand]

Amazing, the same morons who are in here whining about terror alerts being given out by the Bush administration are the same idiots that wanted to know why Bush didn't alert the country that terrorists might use planes as weapons of mass destruction.

They are also the same idiots that screamed for the government to protect them from terrorists, then bitch about the Patriot Act.

They are the same ones who said Clinton sending cruise missles in Iraq to destroy an aspirin factory wasn't a diversion from Lewinsky scandal, but Bush chasing terrorists regimes and possible WMD's in Iraq was a diversion.

They bitch that North Korea has nukes, but never want to bring up exactly how they acquired them ("We were duped" - Madeleine Albright)....they also say we went into Iraq unilaterally, but want to deal with the N.Korean problem unilaterally.

They call 9/11 a speed bump, a fluke, and try to act as if it never happened....and then bitch if Bush shows images from it in a campaign ad. Amazing, these same people wanted a commission to investigate this mere speedbump.

BTW, the way 9/11 hindered the economy was it shut down NYC for a week almost, it caused the shutdown of the airline industry causing a massive subsidy of the airline industry that has to be paid for, it also led to a war that was being waged on weapons we had stock-piled, which meant nobody was producing the beans, and bullets for the war. It caused people to panic and horde their money instead of investing it, and it meant the government would have to spend money trying to prevent it from happening again...

BTW, for those who think these terror alerts are just being used to boost bush's poll numbers.....what does that tell you if after a terrorist threat is announced, his numbers rise? Tells me that more Americans believe he'll do a better job than Kerry at protecting this nation from terror.

[Nick C.]

Amazing, the same morons who are in here whining about terror alerts being given out by the Bush administration are the same idiots that wanted to know why Bush didn't alert the country that terrorists might use planes as weapons of mass destruction.

They are also the same idiots that screamed for the government to protect them from terrorists, then bitch about the Patriot Act.

They are the same ones who said Clinton sending cruise missles in Iraq to destroy an aspirin factory wasn't a diversion from Lewinsky scandal, but Bush chasing terrorists regimes and possible WMD's in Iraq was a diversion.

They bitch that North Korea has nukes, but never want to bring up exactly how they acquired them ("We were duped" - Madeleine Albright)....they also say we went into Iraq unilaterally, but want to deal with the N.Korean problem unilaterally.

They call 9/11 a speed bump, a fluke, and try to act as if it never happened....and then bitch if Bush shows images from it in a campaign ad. Amazing, these same people wanted a commission to investigate this mere speedbump.

BTW, the way 9/11 hindered the economy was it shut down NYC for a week almost, it caused the shutdown of the airline industry causing a massive subsidy of the airline industry that has to be paid for, it also led to a war that was being waged on weapons we had stock-piled, which meant nobody was producing the beans, and bullets for the war. It caused people to panic and horde their money instead of investing it, and it meant the government would have to spend money trying to prevent it from happening again...

BTW, for those who think these terror alerts are just being used to boost bush's poll numbers.....what does that tell you if after a terrorist threat is announced, his numbers rise? Tells me that more Americans believe he'll do a better job than Kerry at protecting this nation from terror.
I don't think it is all "The Same ones" ;)

[patteeu]

I'm Tired of Being Told My Biggest Worry Should Be Islamic Terrorists . . .

What's really worrisome is the Idiot-in-Chief's refusal to be concerned about islamic terrorists when they are knocking on the door.

His failure to protect us on 9/11 should dispell any doubt about that.

(To say nothing of his abandonment of the war on terrorism to invade Iraq.)

The worst security failure/domestic attack in US history happens on this guy's watch and we're supposed to trust him to keep us safe?

What kind of convoluted logic is that?

Kerry did a good job of exposing BushCo's failure to establish adequate homeland security in last night's debate. Keep hammering him with the facts, Senator.


Isn't this a beautiful example of the self-contradictory support that Kerry has. Half of his supporters think that Bush is over-reacting to the terrorist threat and the other half thinks he didn't react enough.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Isn't this a beautiful example of the self-contradictory support that Kerry has. Half of his supporters think that Bush is over-reacting to the terrorist threat and the other half thinks he didn't react enough.

The only contradiction you see exists in your own mind and is caused by your inability to make distinctions.

Cito, et al, have objected to Team Smirk & Sneer's use of non-specific threats, orange alerts, etc., as propaganda/psy ops tools.

I pointed out that, when the threat was real and specific, i.e., before 9/11, Team Smirk & Sneer sat on its collective ass and did nothing to protect our country.

[Samiwindr]

This election is really boiling down to which side of the Iraq fence you sit on.

You either think the war was just, or it was not.

You either think you've been force fed a load of media hype about Iraq since March of 2002 and can't believe the masses were dumb enough to buy it, or you sincerely believe that invading a sovereign nation solely on our dime was the thing to do and can't understand what all the peacenik hippies around the globe are so angry about.

All of the other issues are really just ancilliary. Neither President will do a better job of 'protecting us' because protecting us isn't really his job. Neither President can affect the economy as Greenspan rules it with an iron fist. The Bush admin may make you feel better about the war by protecting you from the truth, but that isn't going to make it any less costly or deadly to American Troops than if Kerry were President. Feel free to lob all the ridiculous flip-flop'isms and national guard service records you want, but it really all boils down to this.

You want to talk about safer? I would feel 10 times safer if my neighbor were President. He's recently retired, has a son at the USAFA, and probably knows a whole lot more about foreign countries than either Bush or Kerry. On top of it all, he knows exactly what it's like to walk in a regular American's shoes. He also speaks Farsi, which will most likely come in handy for the next several Presidents.

[alkemical]

i'd vote for your neighbor

[watermock]

It's always amusing to have an idiot answer himself.

[watermock]

Self Validation involves more than having to get a hankie you dimwit.

[errand]

Yeah, that's all good and well...but does your neighbor speak Batchi and does he know how to program evaporator condensors like C3PO can?

[REB]

I'm tired of being told that 9/11 was a nuisance. Terroism is a "nuisance"? WoW!? If that's a nuisance I have a .357 mag that says, not what I could do to you but what if you don't stop me...dog don't bite and 911?

REB

1-2-3-BRONCOS!!!!!!!

[REB]

Of course that wouldn't have worked on the planes. But Imagine if everone had.at least a .22. Don't know? think about it. .........

REB

1-2-3-BRONCOS!!!!!!!

[watermock]

I didn't make the quote numbnuts. Kerry did.