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Bronco_Beerslug
09-29-2004, 02:27 PM
Nice! Finally starting to reel in some of this Ashcroft crap.

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By Gail Appleson

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Surveillance powers granted to the FBI (news - web sites) under the Patriot Act, a cornerstone of the Bush Administration's war on terror, were ruled unconstitutional by a judge on Wednesday in a new blow to U.S. security policies.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero, in the first decision against a surveillance portion of the act, ruled for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) in its challenge against what it called "unchecked power" by the FBI to demand confidential customer records from communication companies, such as Internet service providers or telephone companies.

Marrero, stating that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," found that the law violates constitutional prohibitions against unreasonable searches. He said it also violated free speech rights by barring those who received FBI demands from disclosing they had to turn over records.

Because of this gag order, the ACLU initially had to file its suit against the Department of Justice (news - web sites) under seal to avoid penalties for violation of the surveillance laws.
Although the ACLU's suit was filed on behalf of an Internet access firm, the ruling could apply to other entities that have received FBI secretive subpoenas, known as national security letters.

The ACLU said that the Patriot Act provision was worded so broadly that it could effectively be used to obtain the names of customers of Web sites such as Amazon.com or eBay, or a political organization's membership list, or even the names of sources that a journalist has contacted by e-mail.

"This is a landmark victory against the Ashcroft Justice Department (news - web sites)'s misguided attempt to intrude into the lives of innocent Americans in the name of national security," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero.
"Even now, some in Congress are trying to pass additional intrusive law enforcement powers. This decision should put a halt to those efforts," he said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20040929/ts_nm/rights_patriot_dc

Hercules Rockefeller
09-29-2004, 02:32 PM
So did both John Kerry and John Edwards not support this provision before they voted for it?

Bronco_Beerslug
09-29-2004, 02:44 PM
So did both John Kerry and John Edwards not support this provision before they voted for it?

Only 67 out of 455 congressmen voted against it because everyone was panicking at the time. It's been obvious awhile now that it's unconstitutional and needs to be re-written.

azbronco
09-29-2004, 02:57 PM
This at a time when reporters from the NY Times are being investigated for tipping off potential islamic organisations of an impending raid and additional seperate investigations. But I'm sure that if an attack takes place (heaven forbid), you Beerslug, will be the first to blame the administration for not being more vigilante.

The open society we have is a double edge sword, I myself do not lay in bed at night worrying about what the government knows or doesn't know about me. Perhaps nieve, I worry more about identity theft.

I know it has been posed on this board before, but never answered. What parts of the patriot act threaten you?

Nick C.
09-29-2004, 03:00 PM
Nice! Finally starting to reel in some of this Ashcroft crap.

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By Gail Appleson

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Surveillance powers granted to the FBI (news - web sites) under the Patriot Act, a cornerstone of the Bush Administration's war on terror, were ruled unconstitutional by a judge on Wednesday in a new blow to U.S. security policies.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero, in the first decision against a surveillance portion of the act, ruled for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) in its challenge against what it called "unchecked power" by the FBI to demand confidential customer records from communication companies, such as Internet service providers or telephone companies.

Marrero, stating that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," found that the law violates constitutional prohibitions against unreasonable searches. He said it also violated free speech rights by barring those who received FBI demands from disclosing they had to turn over records.

Because of this gag order, the ACLU initially had to file its suit against the Department of Justice (news - web sites) under seal to avoid penalties for violation of the surveillance laws.
Although the ACLU's suit was filed on behalf of an Internet access firm, the ruling could apply to other entities that have received FBI secretive subpoenas, known as national security letters.

The ACLU said that the Patriot Act provision was worded so broadly that it could effectively be used to obtain the names of customers of Web sites such as Amazon.com or eBay, or a political organization's membership list, or even the names of sources that a journalist has contacted by e-mail.

"This is a landmark victory against the Ashcroft Justice Department (news - web sites)'s misguided attempt to intrude into the lives of innocent Americans in the name of national security," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero.
"Even now, some in Congress are trying to pass additional intrusive law enforcement powers. This decision should put a halt to those efforts," he said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20040929/ts_nm/rights_patriot_dc
great post! thanks for this!
I am glad that they have decided to revise this horible miscarege of justice!

Bronco_Beerslug
09-29-2004, 04:50 PM
I know it has been posed on this board before, but never answered. What parts of the patriot act threaten you?
Every part that allows the government to look inside my home to see what I'm doing. That includes listening to my phone conversations, reading my email, looking at what business's I utilize and what banks I use.

Bronco_Beerslug
09-29-2004, 04:51 PM
But I'm sure that if an attack takes place (heaven forbid), you Beerslug, will be the first to blame the administration for not being more vigilante.


I sure will if they come across our borders or coastlines.