The Guardian: How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny...But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones student society.

Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".

Jan Lissmann, one of the lawyers for the survivors, said: "President Bush withdrew President Bill Clinton's signature from the treaty not only to protect Americans, but also to protect himself and his family."

The petition to The Hague states: "From April 1944 on, the American Air Force could have destroyed the camp with air raids, as well as the railway bridges and railway lines from Hungary to Auschwitz. The murder of about 400,000 Hungarian Holocaust victims could have been prevented."

The case is built around a January 22 1944 executive order signed by President Franklin Roosevelt calling on the government to take all measures to rescue the European Jews. The lawyers claim the order was ignored because of pressure brought by a group of big American companies, including BBH, where Prescott Bush was a director.

Lissmann said: "If we have a positive ruling from the court it will cause Bush huge problems and make him personally liable to pay compensation."

The Bush family have largely responded with no comment to any reference to Prescott Bush. Brown Brothers Harriman also declined to comment.

More at:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

[Southern Bronco]

LABF just can't let go of his fantasies.

[Exile_In_SJ]

southern bronco, LaBs is getting desperate. The more it looks like GWB will walk back into the oval office, the more whacko lefties like LAbs descend into the slime, but that's actually where a moonbat like LAbs normally resides.

[Exile_In_SJ]

I think Bush's great great great great great great.....(43 more greats) grandfather helpoed finance Genghis Khan, or is that Jenjis Khan like the poodle from Massachussetts pronounces it.. lmao..

LAbs is desperate.. LaBs is deeesssssperattttte!1! rofl

[Rock Chalk]

How f*cking low will people sink?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Alec, every time you ask yourself that question, just look for any post by LABs. He resides in the gutter.

[Pat Bowlen]

Forget about how liberal the guy is. What do you people think about the article?

[Wolffman]

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[Mountainman]

This is so typical of Bush supporters. They can't refute the information in the article, so they resort to name calling and mindless drivel.

[broncogary]

Jeez, you'd think the liberals and libertarians would stick to their guns and not try to blame Bush for something someone else, knowingly or unknowingly, allegedly did.

I thought they believed in the individual.

[Exile_In_SJ]

This is so typical of Bush supporters. They can't refute the information in the article, so they resort to name calling and mindless drivel.


blah blah blah, this is just desperation by LABs. Bush is destroying kerry and all the left has is smear.

Whenever the left is getting their ass kicked they trot out the hitler crap. please.

[Exile_In_SJ]

They tried to smear Bush with the AWOL crap and got smothered by the false documents and rathergate and now a key Kerry advisor, Joe Lockhart is getting drawn further into to slime pit his side tried to create ... and now since they can't get to Bush about that, they have to trot out the Hitler crap. Well, you'll find that most voters will be turned off by that BS and kerry will lose big time. But if that's all you have, then that's what you use.

[W*GS]

The only thing thinner than the thread connecting GWB to Hitler is LABF's man part, and the only thing weaker is his arm strength.

Give it up, LABF - this lamer-than-lame smear was demolished long ago on a board far, far away.

[TomServo]

damn labf just do a google on papa joe kennedy and the nazis B4 you post something like this.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is so typical of Bush supporters. They can't refute the information in the article, so they resort to name calling and mindless drivel.

Bingo.

Ad hominem is all these monkeys have because they know they can't defend the indefensible.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Give it up, LABF - this lamer-than-lame smear was demolished long ago on a board far, far away.

Looks like Ken Starr's cabana boy still has trouble processing facts.

(Otherwise he would have noticed that the records which confirm the Bush/Nazi connection come from the Library of Congress.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Give it up, LABF - this lamer-than-lame smear was demolished long ago on a board far, far away.

If Bush was caught robbing a bank by a security camera then W*GS, Exile, and their fellow right-wing nutty buddies would call the film "a lamer-than-lame smear."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush can't shake Kerry and is getting desperate

Bush got a lot of adoring press and uninterrupted press during the beginning of Sept, but his convention bounch is all gone, and he's going to have to endure three debates with someone who can go the distance. Even though Bush has shown he can memorize his soundbites well in the past, the difference that three debates will make is that Bush will have to spend a lot of time repeating the few lines he has memorized, which the public will get very tired of quickly. Kerry will have the time to give answers that are much longer than the typical 10 second evening news soundbite. He is going to look like a steady hand. Any stand up format will have Kerry towering over Bush, any sit down format will have at the table looking even bigger.

He he he - betcha things aren't too sunny in that old Oval Office right now.

With that America poll (nearest thing to what the pols themselves run) showing Kerry coming right back up and saying he'd win if the election was run last week, Bush is bound to be just a tad unhappy with Rover.

Couldn't happen to a nastier SOB!

Rasmussen shows electoral votes at a dead heat

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Electoral%20College%20Projection.htm

213 for Bush, 211 for Kerry, with the rest within the margin of error.

Since Rasmussen favors Repubs, and since looking at the chart on this page shows big gains for Kerry in this last week, things are looking up.

Unless Kerry farts during the debates, he's going to win!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF just can't let go of his fantasies.

LOL @ SB thinking the following fact is a fantasy:

"His (Bush's) business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Next thing you know, SB is going to tell us the US Library of Congress is really just a mirror site for bartcop.

See no evil, hear no evil, eh Bubba?

[watermock]

Leave it up to LABF to agree with someone who thinks Bush is going to nuke the world and fly to Mars to control the Earth while conquering gamma rays. In your wildest dreams you could "almost" make an argument for the moon.

The GPS is allready a multiple orbiting and redundant weapons platform and the obvious first target of choice by the Chinese. This is all so amusing while Mullahs are beating their hairy backs in Iran as I type about their missle system.

What do you people think the objective is? Any fool should know the first thing to do is take down our GPS system.

Mars indeed. LABF has outdone himself.

Just for your information, LABF has thrown this out several times allready. Left with little more than Tom Hank's loincloth after Blathergate, LABF has managed to take another windsurf tact that would make Herman Munster proud.

This whole issue has been kicked around for decades. Now LABF is into 1942. Never mind that thousands of people had investments in Germany, the list is so long it's rediculous. Why not drag up the corpse of Werner Von Braun, who gave us the missles and enabled us to go to the moon? He was a Nazi!

How about the Nazi/CIA that was born under Truman while McArthur was trying to win a war against the Communists and Truman let China fall into Soviet Control?

Revisionist History is an interesting subject, but back to Prescott Bush. He was a Senator if my memory serves, and served well. Small time punks like LABF who don't have a clue about how history can re-invent itself is rather amusing.

LABF has as much qualification to talk about WW2 as Montgomery on Vicadin.

My Relative Walter Krueger had both Eisenhower and McArthur as his subordinates and promoted them so it gets a little bit annoying, like a small gnat when I explain how the world turns.

Second Lieutenant Eisenhower was stationed in Texas where he met Mamie Geneva Doud, whom he married in 1916. In his early Army career, he excelled in staff assignments, serving under Generals John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur, and Walter Krueger.

[watermock]

General Krueger was opposed to the island hopping campaing that his protoge, Gen. McArthur wanted so bad so that he could march into the Phillipines after his cowardly retreat, leaving thousands of Marines into the Bataan Death march.

This discrace eventually eliminated Krueger from command as he felt that the enemy could of been cut off at much smaller cost while we picked them off one by one as they limped back to Japan. Instead, McArthur, obsessed with his vendetta, sacrificed thousands apon thousands of brave soldiers to take black volcanic rock when after Germany was subdued, we could of simply starved them out over a matter of a few months.

If you want to learn of General Krueger's opinion of the strategy insisted on by McArthur and his intransigence against Truman, you can read his book.

[alkemical]

It is true though that american car companies made money off of holocaust labor

[W*GS]

Looks like Ken Starr's cabana boy still has trouble processing facts. (Otherwise he would have noticed that the records which confirm the Bush/Nazi connection come from the Library of Congress.)

Different Bush, bub.

Typical, and pathetic, attempt at a bash using the slimmest of reasons - "George W Bush is bad because his grandfather was a director of a company that did business with a German company that assisted Hitler's rise to power".

Never mind that GWB carries no weight of guilt or complicity for what his grandfather did, for chrissake.

You can do better, LABF.

[W*GS]

If Bush was caught robbing a bank by a security camera then W*GS, Exile, and their fellow right-wing nutty buddies would call the film "a lamer-than-lame smear."

Is this some sort of analogy? GWB on video robbing a bank is just like his grandpappy being a director of company that did business with a German company that helped the Nazis?

Logical argument and relevance just aren't LABF's strengths.

[alkemical]

wags,

not that GW is linked to nazi's. That much i'll support you on.

BUT the bush family fortune is partly due to such revenue brought in by such dealings.

No different than henry ford making some $$$$ from slave labor via the nazi's.

[Cito Pelon]

Leave it up to LABF to agree with someone who thinks Bush is going to nuke the world and fly to Mars to control the Earth while conquering gamma rays. In your wildest dreams you could "almost" make an argument for the moon.

The GPS is allready a multiple orbiting and redundant weapons platform and the obvious first target of choice by the Chinese. This is all so amusing while Mullahs are beating their hairy backs in Iran as I type about their missle system.

What do you people think the objective is? Any fool should know the first thing to do is take down our GPS system.

Mars indeed. LABF has outdone himself.

Just for your information, LABF has thrown this out several times allready. Left with little more than Tom Hank's loincloth after Blathergate, LABF has managed to take another windsurf tact that would make Herman Munster proud.

This whole issue has been kicked around for decades. Now LABF is into 1942. Never mind that thousands of people had investments in Germany, the list is so long it's rediculous. Why not drag up the corpse of Werner Von Braun, who gave us the missles and enabled us to go to the moon? He was a Nazi!

How about the Nazi/CIA that was born under Truman while McArthur was trying to win a war against the Communists and Truman let China fall into Soviet Control?

Revisionist History is an interesting subject, but back to Prescott Bush. He was a Senator if my memory serves, and served well. Small time punks like LABF who don't have a clue about how history can re-invent itself is rather amusing.

LABF has as much qualification to talk about WW2 as Montgomery on Vicadin.

My Relative Walter Krueger had both Eisenhower and McArthur as his subordinates and promoted them so it gets a little bit annoying, like a small gnat when I explain how the world turns.

You're a pretty good historian, Mock. You do well, but it's always a bottom-line where you have no interest in progress, really. Your bottom line is that you can slaughter anybody that disagrees with you, and still be successful, no? You're more anger than thought.

LABF - I'm not putting words in LABF's mouth - tries as hard as he can to point out that you can't slaughter everybody and succeed at the same time, history shows that. It's never been successful, and never will be. I agree with LABF. You have a losing formula.

That's the way I see it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You're a pretty good historian, Mock.

Did you mean to say "revisionist historian?"

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[W*GS]

wags, not that GW is linked to nazi's. That much i'll support you on.

Of course, you do realize that this makes you a Nazi in LABF's view.

BUT the bush family fortune is partly due to such revenue brought in by such dealings.

How much? And, how can that be since Prescott Bush's capital was confiscated by the government? Apparently the US government didn't think he was that guilty, since his holdings were returned to him after WWII.

In any case, LABF's attempt to smear and taint GWB with what Prescott did just shows how pathetic his GWB-bashing is, and how deep his hatred of the man is. He can do better.

[Captain_Poncho]

He can do better?

Gary, you know that's simply not true. That's his very best.

[Exile_In_SJ]

LABullsh*tter is just plain desperate. it's entirely amusing

[W*GS]

He can do better?

Gary, you know that's simply not true. That's his very best.

Call me a starry-eyed optimist. I can feel the good in him. It's not too late to turn him from the dark side (OK, so I watched "Revenge of the Jedi" over the weekend...)

[alkemical]

wags,

i do agree profiting from the nazis does not make you a nazi...

now for his holdings being returned - saying he did nothing wrong, is debatible... considering we gave nazis amnesty and jobs...

[Raider Bill]

LABF is rehashing this crap?

To imply that Bush somehow made money off the Nazi's when UBC's German and Polish holdings were bombed into oblivion is ridiculous. Nothing was traded with the enemy, these companies were overrun by Nazi's and taken over by Hitler.

Hell Thyssen, who was Bush's client fled to Switzerland at the begining of the Kristallnacht program in 1938.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

To imply that Bush somehow made money off the Nazi's when UBC's German and Polish holdings were bombed into oblivion is ridiculous. Nothing was traded with the enemy,

You're obvioulsly having trouble comprehending (or accepting) what you read.

Because of his support for the nazis, Prescott Bush's assets were seized by the US government under the "trading with the enemy act."

Do you and W*GS and Exile from Sound Judgment and the rest of the bush dupes see three fingers when Rove is only holding up two? It would seem so.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In any case, LABF's attempt to smear and taint GWB with what Prescott did just shows how pathetic his GWB-bashing is, and how deep his hatred of the man is. He can do better.

Since when does Ken Starr's cabana boy have a problem with smears?

Here are some smears W*GS won't have a problem with:

The Rove Playbook

According to a new report in The Atlantic Monthly, Karl Rove will stoop to any level to win a campaign, especially if the race is close.

In Josh Green's new article, Karl Rove in a Corner, details of Rove's antics are revealed. As this presidential campaign becomes a tighter race, here are some classic Rove tactics to watch out for:

* During a recount for a judicial race in Alabama, Rove told staffers to "undermine the other side's support by casting them as liars, cheaters, stealers, immoral — all of that."
* In another judicial race, Rove accused the candidate of being a pedophile because he was involved in several children's charities.
* When George W. Bush ran against Ann Richards for Texas governor in 1994, Rove suggested that Richards was a lesbian.
* Rove also used sexual orientation as a weapon to get back at a former colleague for "stealing" a staffer by spreading a rumor that this former male colleague "made a pass at a young man."

Dirty tricks, over the years: they're shameful and they're desperate.

http://www.theatlantic.com/r/rHxBBWxosdA%3D%0A

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Raider Bill]

Because of his support for the nazis, Prescott Bush's assets were seized by the US government under the "trading with the enemy act."

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And subsequently returned to him when the war was over.

Prescott Bush owned 1/4000 of UBC which held some assets in Germany and Poland prior to WWII.

Once the war broke out and Hitler took over their assets they kept them on the books in hopes that they would be returned to their rightful owners after the war, which they were .

[watermock]

It's just another line of crap from LABF who probably flunked history.

Yeah, Prescott Bush came out smelling like a rose under Hitler. It's so hysterical it's not even amusing.

You act like he was the only German-American or other American that had business ties to Germany, which was trying to get off the ropes before Hitler hijacked it. In fact, investment in Germany was encouraged after WW1, and many thought there would be good investments there. Your so damn brainwashed it's pathetic. Do you even have a clue the size of German ancenstry in the United States? Did you see your Grandfather cry about the destruction of his country under Hitler like my father did?

Did you see my Uncles face when he talked about scraping brains out of inferior Bradley tanks to fix them as he followed Patton's headlong stride into Germany, only to be stopped by that stupid agreement with the Communists?

Your fundamental understanding of history is so inherently flawed it would be comedic if the issue wasn't so serious.