Some Democrat's Opinions on Iraq

[Rock Chalk]

“We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY),Oct 10, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger,Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA),Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton's Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an elicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI),Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA),Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV),Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA),Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV),Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA),Oct. 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL),Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[Crushaholic]

Bush actually made a mistake by citing "faulty intelligence". He should have said that Saddam had WMD and the U.S. government has known about them before he took office. Instead, he just said the CIA intelligence was wrong. That could bite him.

[watermock]

A quote from a Democrat isn't relevant by the time the ink dries.

By the time it's posted "The situation has changed". It's literally amusing if it wasn't so disingenous.

Anyone see the new 527 with Kerry surfing the wind? It was pretty damn funny.

[watermock]

Bush actually made a mistake by citing "faulty intelligence". He should have said that Saddam had WMD and the U.S. government has known about them before he took office. Instead, he just said the CIA intelligence was wrong. That could bite him.

I would like to crack open some of Syria's little crackerboxes.

http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd/WMD-location-map.jpg

[watermock]

http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd/al-safir-dg-10.jpg

Here is more fun.

How come the Bush Administration doesn't mention them? We are too damn thin. I would like to have "just a little peek" into these bomb shelters in Syria that are safe from anything but a delayed nuclear earthbearing bunkerbomb.

[watermock]

Want to have fun and take a look at Iran's nuclear weapons facility?

What our government tells us and what is reality is two different things.

It's not like some dimwit like LABF figured this out on his own. He would still be looking for acorns in the woods.

[watermock]

Iranian Defence Minister Ali Shamkhani has warned that Iran might launch a pre-emptive strike to prevent an attack on its nuclear facilities. He said this in an interview with Aljazeera TV on Wednesday:

“We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly,” Shamkhani said when asked about the possibility of a US or Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

“America is not the only one present in the region. We are also present, from Khost to Kandahar in Afghanistan; we are present in the Gulf and we can be present in Iraq,” said Shamkhani.

Earlier, the Iranian press reported a commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards as saying Iran will strike the Israeli reactor at Dimona if Israel attacks the Islamic republic’s nuclear facilities.

“If Israel fires one missile at Bushehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear centre, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move,” General Muhammad Baqir Zolqadr warned.

The minister’s and the general’s comments mark an escalation in an exchange of threats between Israel and Iran in recent weeks, leading to speculation that there may be a repeat of Israel’s strike against Iraqi nuclear facilities at Osirak in 1981.

Iran’s attempt to generate nuclear power at its plant being built at Bushehr is seen by arch-enemies Israel and the United States as a cover for nuclear weapons development.

But Iran insists that its nuclear intentions are peaceful, while pointing at its enemy’s alleged nuclear arsenal, which Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing.

Dimona, in the Negev desert, is allegedly where Israel produces weapons-grade plutonium for its estimated 200 nuclear warheads.

Revolutionary Guard chief Yad Allah Javani warned on Sunday that “the entire Zionist territory including its nuclear establishments and atomic munitions are now within the range of Iran’s advanced missiles”.

The statement came a few days after the Islamic republic conducted what it called a successful test of an upgraded version of its conventional medium-range Shahab-3 missile.

The missile is considered the mainstay of Iran’s military technology and portrayed as defensive and dissuasive, but also specifically as a weapon against Israel.

The Revolutionary Guards, or Sepah-e Pasdaran, to whom the Shahab-3 has been entrusted, exist in parallel to the regular armed forces. They are well equipped and have a navy and air force as well as ground troops.

Zolqadr, however, considered that “given the internal crises in the Zionist regime and its military, security and geographical vulnerability, Israel is not capable of attacking Iran and its threats are only propaganda”.

The threats, said General Zolqadr, were intended to deprive Iran of its “indisputable right” to nuclear technology for peaceful ends.

Israel in July tested an improved version of its Arrow II anti-missile system, aimed squarely at fending off any attack by Iran.




Article courtesy of Al-Jazeera.net

[watermock]

I'm about ready to start handing out Iodine pills.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Some Republicans' Opinions About Iraq

"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

--Colin Powell, 2/24/01

Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box.

"Saddam does not control the northern part of the country. We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

--Condoleezza Rice, April 2001

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/133099

Note: Before you try to impugn the source, keep in mind that these quotes were captured on video during the making of the author's documentary.

[patteeu]

That was then, this is now.

"It is the wrong war, at the wrong time." -- Every democrat within 10 feet of a microphone (except Zell Miller).

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That was then, this is now.

Now look who is attempting to divert.

The point is, bush's foremost rationalization for invading Iraq was WMD, but both Powell and Rice are on video in 2001 stating that Iraq didn't have WMD, had been disarmed, and was not a threat.

[Denver Crush]

I dont understand how people cant see through the bull**** that is the Bush regime. We have proof that there are weapons, but where in the **** are they. Personally I think we took out Iraq so that we have a staging ground for Iran and Syria. World domination Dubya style.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I dont understand how people cant see through the bull**** that is the Bush regime. We have proof that there are weapons, but where in the **** are they.

Yep, to be a bush supporter at this stage of the game you really have to engage in some large scale self-deception.

These people remind me of some creepy cult.

The Bush Davidians.

[watermock]

I dont understand how people cant see through the bull**** that is the Bush regime. We have proof that there are weapons, but where in the **** are they. Personally I think we took out Iraq so that we have a staging ground for Iran and Syria. World domination Dubya style.

The chemicals were dumped into the river and the WMD programs were put in stasis. Some scuds were moved to Lebanon.

Any more questions?

[watermock]

Now look who is attempting to divert.

The point is, bush's foremost rationalization for invading Iraq was WMD, but both Powell and Rice are on video in 2001 stating that Iraq didn't have WMD, had been disarmed, and was not a threat.

It's not really hard to bring a chemical weapons program to bear. All you need is some Raid bags. Saddam could of got his poison gas or "pesticide" programme up within weeks.

The Missle Programme is another story, and much harder to hide. What was left of the scuds were stored in Lebanon, and are basically obsolete because they don't have proper guidance systems.

No matter, Bill Clinton was more than happy to give the supercomputer guidance systems to China which promptly latched them onto N. Korean misles that now can hit Los Angeles. Thanks Mr. Clinton! Thanks for the Oslo Accords that made Arafat a diplomat! Thanks for the N. Korean accords that have resulted in a big **** You from the war mongers, just this week!

Yep, Bubba Bill was a real ****ing diplomat.

Can you imagine what Kerry could accomplish?

[Cito Pelon]

Interesting that the UN is making a push to expand the Security Council to what, 13 Permanent Members now? Interesting, very interesting. Things are starting to pop. I'll give GWB credit for shaking things up, making things pop. Gotta keep a reeeeeeaaaalllll close eye on a guy like him. He might start to thinking he's dictator material.

[Sir Mawn]

I dont understand how people cant see through the bull**** that is the Bush regime. We have proof that there are weapons, but where in the **** are they. Personally I think we took out Iraq so that we have a staging ground for Iran and Syria. World domination Dubya style.

Bush is the most hated U.S. president in the history of Mexico. That probably holds true in all of Latin America too.

[watermock]

What a line of crap an a total assertion.

Bush has been rediculous in his acceptance of the Mexican Workforce. He was going to give amnesty and we stopped by congress and he's hated?

Your full of it.

More than half, 54 percent, in the poll done for the Pew Hispanic Center (search) in early January, said they think the president is doing a good job.

Almost four in 10, 37 percent, said they would like to see President Bush re-elected. Less than half in the poll, 47 percent, said they would prefer that a Democratic candidate win the election.

Those results are significantly better for Bush than in a poll taken by the same group right before the capture of Saddam.

"This shows serious inroads into what had previously been a traditionally Democratic constituency," said Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center. Suro said the poll shows where Hispanic opinion on Bush was just before his latest push to win over Hispanic support.

The January poll was taken just before Bush proposed a plan that could brighten his election-year prospects with Hispanic voters (search), a fast-growing part of the electorate. Bush on Wednesday proposed granting legal status - at least temporarily - for millions of illegal immigrants working in the United States.
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As far as what Mexican's think I have no clue. If they hate Fox let them hate Fox. Are they literate enough to differenciate between their President and a Cable Station?

Your totally full of crap. You just made an assertion out of you rectum. Fact is, Bush is fairly popular with the Hispanic Vote, sometimes to the consternation of the Caucasian Vote.

It never fails to amaze me these blanket, idiotic statements that are presented without any foundation whatsoever.

It's like:

"Everybody hates George Bush". Just throw it out.

Maybe you do, but the Latina vote is actually the highest for Bush of any Republican in decades. I can produce facts, you can produce assertions. Live with it.

[patteeu]

Now look who is attempting to divert.

The point is, bush's foremost rationalization for invading Iraq was WMD, but both Powell and Rice are on video in 2001 stating that Iraq didn't have WMD, had been disarmed, and was not a threat.

*chuckle*

I should have been more clear. I was responding to Alec's original post with all the hawkish quotes from democrats.

So, I wasn't diverting at all. In fact, I guess I was ignoring your diversion attempt and returning to the actual topic. Irony is entertaining. :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So, I wasn't diverting at all. In fact, I guess I was ignoring your diversion attempt and returning to the actual topic. Irony is entertaining. :D

So you're suggesting that the Powell and Rice quotes have no relevance to the topic?

(This should be funny.)

[Crushaholic]

So you're suggesting that the Powell and Rice quotes have no relevance to the topic?

(This should be funny.)

Are you calling all these Democrats who Alec quoted liars, LABF? If there have been no WMDs since 2001, then everybody from Clinton to Ted Kennedy is mistaken.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush is the most hated U.S. president in the history of Mexico. That probably holds true in all of Latin America too.

Unfortunately, this news doesn't surprise me at all, Sir Mawn.

Dubya the Smirking Sociopath is the most hated president in all but one third of the USA also.

The AWOL monkey has brought much shame to America and its people.

The crimes the court-appointed usurper has committed in our names are indefensible.

Everyone who stands for reason and the survival of the spirit of humanity is working so that the Bush crime family will be removed from power soon.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Are you calling all these Democrats who Alec quoted liars, LABF? If there have been no WMDs since 2001, then everybody from Clinton to Ted Kennedy is mistaken.

The Democrats in question all wanted to allow the UN inspectors to finish their work.

The bush crime family rushed us into a half-cocked invasion of a country that hadn't attacked us and was not a threat to us--against the objections of almost the entire world.

Now we know what the bush neocons' hurry was, don't we?

If they had waited for the inspectors to finish their work, then we would have known then what we know now, i.e., that there were no WMD.

But then the Carlyle/Halliburton/Bush/Cheney mafia wouldn't have been able to have its war, would it?

BTW, are you calling Powell and Rice liars?

[patteeu]

So you're suggesting that the Powell and Rice quotes have no relevance to the topic?

(This should be funny.)

I'm suggesting that your post didn't move me enough to respond to it. My response was to Alec's post.

It does have tangential relevance as any good attempt to divert attention from the original point should.

[patteeu]

The Democrats in question all wanted to allow the UN inspectors to finish their work.

The bush crime family rushed us into a half-cocked invasion of a country that hadn't attacked us and was not a threat to us--against the objections of almost the entire world.

Now we know what the bush neocons' hurry was, don't we?

If they had waited for the inspectors to finish their work, then we would have known then what we know now, i.e., that there were no WMD.

But then the Carlyle/Halliburton/Bush/Cheney mafia wouldn't have been able to have its war, would it?

BTW, are you calling Powell and Rice liars?

The Bush administration didn't rush us into anything. In fact, IMO they took way to long to get going.

[Rock Chalk]

Bush is the most hated U.S. president in the history of Mexico. That probably holds true in all of Latin America too.

Who gives a f*ck about Mexico or Mexicans opinions on Bush or America. A pissant little country with nothing to offer but sh*t weed and cheap labor.

[Wolffman]

:kiddingme

[Sir Mawn]

What a line of crap an a total assertion.

Bush has been rediculous in his acceptance of the Mexican Workforce. He was going to give amnesty and we stopped by congress and he's hated?

Your full of it.

More than half, 54 percent, in the poll done for the Pew Hispanic Center (search) in early January, said they think the president is doing a good job.

Almost four in 10, 37 percent, said they would like to see President Bush re-elected. Less than half in the poll, 47 percent, said they would prefer that a Democratic candidate win the election.

Those results are significantly better for Bush than in a poll taken by the same group right before the capture of Saddam.

"This shows serious inroads into what had previously been a traditionally Democratic constituency," said Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center. Suro said the poll shows where Hispanic opinion on Bush was just before his latest push to win over Hispanic support.

The January poll was taken just before Bush proposed a plan that could brighten his election-year prospects with Hispanic voters (search), a fast-growing part of the electorate. Bush on Wednesday proposed granting legal status - at least temporarily - for millions of illegal immigrants working in the United States.
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As far as what Mexican's think I have no clue. If they hate Fox let them hate Fox. Are they literate enough to differenciate between their President and a Cable Station?

Your totally full of crap. You just made an assertion out of you rectum. Fact is, Bush is fairly popular with the Hispanic Vote, sometimes to the consternation of the Caucasian Vote.

It never fails to amaze me these blanket, idiotic statements that are presented without any foundation whatsoever.

It's like:

"Everybody hates George Bush". Just throw it out.

Maybe you do, but the Latina vote is actually the highest for Bush of any Republican in decades. I can produce facts, you can produce assertions. Live with it.


Mock.. I don't care what the "Mexican Workforce" IN THE U.S. thinks. It's a fact. This country hates Bush, wheather you like it or not. I'm not saying Bush is necessarily a bad president. He's just hated by the vast majority of the population. Latino's in the U.S.? I don't know... maybe they do love him. Maybe they'd like to sleep with him. But on this side of the border, 90% of the people detest him. It's a fact.

On the other hand, you probably don't give a **** about what Mexicans or I think it since:

a) you say I'm full of it

b) you called me a spic for giving you neg rep BY MISTAKE.

c) you said I should climb a pyramid and beg for your forgiveness.

I'm all for the difference of opinion. I'm just against people calling me a spic and telling me I'm full of it.

[Sir Mawn]

Who gives a f*ck about Mexico or Mexicans opinions on Bush or America. A pissant little country with nothing to offer but sh*t weed and cheap labor.

Lovely post. I'm not even of Mexican decent. My family are Jewish immigrants from Greece. I do, however think every country should be respected even if I don't agree with what the rest of the population here thinks.

[watermock]

I didn't call you a Spic, I talked about the Hispanic vote.

I didn't tell you to climb a pyramid either but it might be a good idea. I have.

Shouldn't you be fasting or praying or something, it's Kippur, when the Ememy likes to attack.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who is this "Wolffman" character and why is he spamming a political discussion board w/ all those gay pix?

[patteeu]

Who is this "Wolffman" character and why is he spamming a political discussion board w/ all those gay pix?

Hell, I didn't even notice. I thought he was just another Bronco fan getting ready for this weekend's game. :D

[Sir Mawn]

I didn't call you a Spic, I talked about the Hispanic vote.

I didn't tell you to climb a pyramid either but it might be a good idea. I have.

Shouldn't you be fasting or praying or something, it's Kippur, when the Ememy likes to attack.

You didn't on this occasion, but certainly have before.

[Sir Mawn]

Yom Kippur was over immediately the first star appeared last night. Jews don't follow a solar calendar. The enemy likes to attack? You mean yourself? Yikes!

[watermock]

What was the first star? Venus or Mars?