Bush fell short on duty at Guard

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http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard/

On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge, Bush signed a document that declared, ''It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months. . . " Under Guard regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

But Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit. In 1999, Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post that Bush finished his six-year commitment at a Boston area Air Force Reserve unit after he left Houston. Not so, Bartlett now concedes. ''I must have misspoke," Bartlett, who is now the
White House communications director, lied in a recent interview.

And early in his Guard service, on May 27, 1968, Bush signed a ''statement of understanding" pledging to achieve ''satisfactory participation" that included attendance at 24 days of annual weekend duty -- usually involving two weekend days each month -- and 15 days of annual active duty. ''I understand that I may be ordered to active duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory participation," the statement reads.

Yet Bush, a fighter-interceptor pilot, performed no service for one six-month period in 1972 and for another period of almost three months in 1973, the records show.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quote of the Day

"We begin tonight with a simple, indisputable fact: as a young man, President George W. Bush benefited from family connections to get a place in the Texas Air National Guard, thus avoiding service in Vietnam. As you would guess, this has led to calls for the resignation of Dan Rather."

--Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Report Shows Bush Was AWOL

How can the GOP worship a wartime deserter?

As a new examination of documents by the Boston Globe shows, "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation." Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. But "he didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show."

Bush also has claimed "I did show up in Alabama" in 1972 when he was supposed to report there for duty. But as the Globe notes, "Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df09082004.html

[watermock]

He was Honorably Discharged and allowed to go to Harvard. What part of this don't you understand?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Warning:
http://www.bartcop.com/mmail-by.jpgin previous post.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Burkett's name just won't go away: The firestorm BushCo tried to control in Feb.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-11-bush-guard-usat_x.htm


WASHINGTON -- As Texas Gov. George W. Bush prepared to run for president in the late 1990s, top-ranking Texas National Guard officers and Bush advisers discussed ways to limit the release of potentially embarrassing details from Bush's military records, a former senior officer of the Texas Guard said Wednesday.

A second former Texas Guard official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, was told by a participant that commanders and Bush advisers were particularly worried about mentions in the records of arrests of Bush before he joined the National Guard in 1968, the second official said.

Bill Burkett, then a top adviser to the state Guard commander, said he overheard conversations in which superiors discussed "cleansing" the file of damaging information.

Burkett says that the state Guard commander, Maj. Gen. Daniel James III, discussed "cleansing" Bush's military files of embarrassing or incriminating documents in the summer of 1997. At the time, Burkett was a lieutenant colonel and a chief adviser to James. He says he was just outside James' open office door when his boss discussed the records on a speakerphone with Joe Allbaugh, who was then Gov. Bush's chief of staff.

In Burkett's account, Allbaugh told James that Bush's press secretary, Karen Hughes, was preparing a biography and needed information on Bush's military service.

In an interview, Burkett said he recalled Allbaugh's words: "We certainly don't want anything that is embarrassing in there." Burkett said he immediately told two other officers about the conversation and noted it in a daily journal he kept. The two officers, George Conn and Dennis Adams, confirmed to USA TODAY in 2002 that Burkett told them of the conversation within days.

Soon afterward, there was a series of meetings of top commanders at Texas Guard headquarters at Camp Mabry. Bush's records were carried between the base archives and the headquarters building, according to Burkett and the second Guard official, who was there.

The meetings were confirmed in a 2002 interview by USA TODAY with William Leon, who was the state Guard's freedom-of-information officer in the 1990s. He was involved in discussions about what to release. Leon declined to comment on the substance of the meetings except to say, "We were making sure we released it properly and made sure we did it in a timely manner."

Contacted at home Wednesday night, he refused to talk to a reporter. He said: "Don't ever call me again at home. I'll call your publisher and sue you."

Allbaugh, James and the White House denied Burkett's story. As president, Bush has since elevated James to be director of the Air National Guard for the entire country.

In an interview that aired Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press, Bush said he fulfilled his Guard commitment and offered to make his records public. Host Tim Russert asked, "Would you authorize the release of everything to settle this?" Bush replied, "Yes, absolutely."

Since then, White House officials have released only documents concerning whether Bush fulfilled his service obligations. White House statements have not addressed the release of any papers that could show disciplinary actions, medical exams, legal scrapes and the like.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What is important about the USA Today and other stories is that they were confirmed through a variety of other sources, not just Burkett. Burkett told Conn, Adams, and others what he had witnessed soon after it happened; USA Today verified his assertion with those other sources. The meetings among "top commanders" to collect and "review" Bush's records was confirmed by the TANG's own FOI officer in 2002.

Burkett's assertion, which was backed up by Conn and Adams, would be little more than a footnote if it were not for several uncomfortable facts. First, the Bush files do have a large and unexplainable gap, for which there are simply no documents whatsoever. And second, around February, investigators were discovering that the Bush records did seem to have been tampered with.


This was not the only story to hit in February of this year on this topic; there were a swarm of them. A similar story was filed in the New York Times on February 12th. Rather than quoting each and every article, we can summarize: from a February piece on factcheck.org that is overwhelmingly favorable to the White House's assertions comes what proves to be an unintentionally valuable encapsulation of the whole chain of events:

The Dallas Morning News reported Feb. 12 an allegation that Bush documents were discarded in 1997. The News said a retired Guard Lieutenant Colonel, Bill Burkett, said that in 1997 he overheard then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, tell the chief of the National Guard to get the Bush file and make certain "there's not anything there that will embarrass the governor." The newspaper quoted Burkett as saying that a few days later he saw Mr. Bush's file and documents from it discarded in a trash can, and that he recognized the documents as retirement point summaries and pay forms.

The trash-can allegation is puzzling because the type of documents alleged to be discarded are the same type of documents that the White House produced Feb. 10 after receiving copies from and Air Force Reserve storage facility in Denver, and which the White House now cites as proof of Bush's service.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/12/national/12TEXA.html?position=&ei=5007&en=81876989c2a59245&ex=1392008400&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1095955374-mEazj7ZqFefI72vViictwQ

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=140

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/23/15201/7818

[Exile_In_SJ]

geez, does LABs get tired of Koolaid?

Bush is exonerated by the democrats forging memos.. he's innoculted by democrat stupidity. people don't Care about Bush's ANG service. They've elected him to major office 3 times and will do so again on November 2nd and all the loony left will have is their bitter flavored koolaid. If LABs doesn't drink it all first rofl.......

[watermock]

A second former Texas Guard official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, was told by a participant that commanders and Bush advisers were particularly worried about mentions in the records of arrests of Bush before he joined the National Guard in 1968, the second official said.

The "first" former Texas Guard official turned out to be Burkett.

This "second" former official will only speak on the condition of anonymity. I wonder why.

Meanwhile you have 264 former soldiers who's name's are NOT anonymous telling us that Kerry is a liar and traitor that went behind Kissingers back and spoke not only to the N. Viets, but the Viet Cong itself.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

people don't Care about Bush's ANG service..

Only people like you (1/3 of Americans) who are listening to the Republican Wurlitzer.

For everyone else, there's reality.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush is exonerated by the democrats forging memos.. he's innoculted by democrat stupidity.

Only the dummies who get their information from Faux News believe this.

For those who aren't as easily duped, a couple of contested memos aren't going to make the issue of Smirk's Guard service (or lack thereof) go away.

If the CBS memos and the AWOL issue had arose simultaneously/mutually, or if the docs were the only public records of Smirk's service, then the bubbas for bush might have had some vague hope for "innoculation," but such was not the case.

[watermock]

LABF is quoting Burkett again, like nothing ever happened. It's literally hysterical.

The News said a retired Guard Lieutenant Colonel, Bill Burkett, said that in 1997 he overheard then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, tell the chief of the National Guard to get the Bush file and make certain "there's not anything there that will embarrass the governor." The newspaper quoted Burkett as saying that a few days later he saw Mr. Bush's file and documents from it discarded in a trash can, and that he recognized the documents as retirement point summaries and pay forms.

You just don't get it do you dimwit. It's actually amusing. Your still quoting this sociopath with impunity. God your a moron. You ****ing idiot, this is the same story he gave about the forged documents. WTF is wrong with you? It's allready been explained it was impossible for the documents to even be there, he had no right to even be in that office, which he may of never even visited, and the chances of his finding Bush records in a trash can at that place, at that time, just happening by, by a person with a personal vendetta against him are about has good as Marvin the Martian fighting with Bugs Bunny on Mars.

First, Burkett never even was in that office more than a couple times. Second, files are sent to where the serviceman goes. Third, I am missing the part where a secretary retrieved the documents and gave them to Burkett. The story of his "finding" them in a trash can has been allready so discredited it's not even funny.

You act like Blathergate hasn't even happened, yet on Thursday, September 23, your still posting Burkett's insane accusations as fact.

Do the world a favor and behead yourself.

[plummerrox]

Faux News.... Interesting - There is now proof that CBS was soooo excited about a fabricated document that could hurt the re-election campaign that they not only rush it on air, but also contact the Heinz campaign to let them know about it in advance . Which network is biased again?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Bush fulfilled his duties in the guard to the tune of 952 points accumulated versus 300 points required.

He not only didn't fall short of fulfilling his duties, he far exceeded them. 952 > 300

wow.

[freak6]

AWOL

That has nothing to do with points. You could have 200 billion points, or 85 billion points, if you don't show up as ordered, you are still ABSENT WITHOUT LEAVE...

Despicable and dishonorable. To bad so many of his records are absent from his records...I wonder what happened to them.

His unit was put on Special Alert to guard against SUPRISE ATTACKS, and he didn't take his required flight physical, and was suspended from flying. His excuse for why he didn't take his required flight physical was a total and complete LIE.

That = AWOL

Thanks for playing yet again.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Only people like you (1/3 of Americans) who are listening to the Republican Wurlitzer.

For everyone else, there's reality.


what's actually funny is that you think the other 2/3rds believe as you do. What you don't realize is that only about 10% of the population identify with you, the whacked out looney left.

How would you know what reality is anyway, bartcopper?.. rofl....

you still think the forged memos are real.

[azbronco]

what's actually funny is that you think the other 2/3rds believe as you do. What you don't realize is that only about 10% of the population identify with you, the whacked out looney left.

How would you know what reality is anyway, bartcopper?.. rofl....

you still think the forged memos are real.

Here's a link for la= http://www.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/2001/ka_flavors.html

[watermock]

Here is the point that dimwits don't seem to be able to comprehend.

Kerry made his service a focal point in his flip flop campaign. He threw his medals away but he didn't. He was a war hero but went to Paris to negotiate with the Viet Cong.

He has 264 Swift Boat Veterans that hate his guts.

Kerry has Burkett, who if anyone has seen him, looks like a raving lunatic. I'm not even going to comment on Dan Blather or the Clinton squad now in control of his floundering campaign.

It's so amusing to watch these people squirm while waiting for Queen Hillary.

I haven't heard a single cry out of Mr. Left about men dressed in black chanting satanic verses and sawing off heads.

It's Dubya's fault don't ya know. It's Halbitron's fault for feeding and trying to get their infrastructure put back together. It's the civilians who are trying to build the infrastructure that deserve their heads sawed off.

I'm tired of playing for now.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What you don't realize is that only about 10% of the population identify with you, the whacked out looney left.

Is that why Al Gore won the popular vote and (if the votes in Florida are counted) the presidency in 2000?

(Sorry to spoil the fun you were having making up your own stats with no actual facts or sources to support them.)

http://www.bartcop.com/urinal-bush.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you still think the forged memos are real.

Hilarious!

You still think a couple of contested memos means that bush wasn't really AWOL.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How would you know what reality is anyway, bartcopper?


Thus spake the powerline blogger/freeper.

Hilarious!

[watermock]

Says the lizard to the gecko.

Blogs took down our buddy Dan Blather. Want to talk about that? huh? c'mom little buddy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Race for President Back into Dead Heat

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=868

Neither Bush nor Kerry holds a clear-cut lead in enough states to win. Based on polls conducted Sept. 13-17 in 20 battleground states, here are the latest numbers:

Bush 241 electoral votes

Kerry 264 electoral votes

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

New Harris poll results

President Bush’s Ratings Slip to Lowest Level of His Presidency, According to Latest Harris Poll

ROCHESTER, N.Y. – September 17, 2004 – President Bush’s ratings have slipped to 45 percent positive and 54 percent negative, the lowest ratings of his presidency, according to a new Harris Poll. These numbers compare to 50 percent positive, 49 percent negative in June and 48 percent positive, 51 percent negative in August. This downward trend no doubt helps to explain why the lead which the president enjoyed over Senator Kerry immediately after the Republican convention in New York – the so-called “convention bounce” – has now disappeared.

This is one of the results of a Harris Poll of 1,018 U.S. adults surveyed by telephone by Harris Interactive® between September 9 and 13, 2004.

More here...

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=496

[Exile_In_SJ]

9/25/2004: AP Poll: Bush Leads by 7%

Here’s why mainstream media’s desperation is beginning to show—their chosen candidate’s ratings are dropping fast: AP: Bush Leads, Widens Advantage With Men.

WASHINGTON - President Bush solidified his advantage among men during the last month and holds his highest ratings since January on job performance, the economy and Iraq, according to an Associated Press poll.

Bush has a 7-point lead over Sen. John Kerry — 52 percent to 45 percent among likely voters — in the AP-Ipsos survey less than six weeks before the Nov. 2 election. Independent Ralph Nader was backed by 1 percent.

The president held the advantage despite increasing violence in Iraq and a week of attacks on his Iraq policy by an increasingly combative Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee.

“We took a lead after our convention and the lead has held,” said Matthew Dowd, a senior Bush campaign strategist. Bush has a slight lead in some polls, and is running even in others.

Among registered voters, Bush leads Kerry 51 percent to 42 percent, while Nader had the backing of 2 percent.

Since the Republican convention, Bush’s job approval is up, 54 percent among likely voters, and just over half of them approve of his handling of the economy and Iraq. His approval in all three areas is as high as it’s been all year in the polling conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Hilarious!

You still think a couple of contested memos means that bush wasn't really AWOL.


yeah funny how forged documents will do that rofl what a maroon

[Exile_In_SJ]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls.html

an averaging of the polls has bush up over heinz 49 to 43.4.....

time has bush up by 6, fox has bush up by 4 marist has bush up by 6 AP/ipsos has bush up by 7, NBC has Bush up by 4 and the zogby has bush up by 3.......

Kerry is pulling ads out of several key states. He's pulling out of Missouri, Arizona and Arkansas.. he considers them lost causes..


Heinz is up 1.4 in new jersey... lol, he has to spend money in jersey and will not be able to automatically count on that state.. Kerry is in SERIOS trouble..

[Exile_In_SJ]

Kerry's getting slaughtered in Ohio.


http://www.nbc4i.com/politics/3747752/detail.html

Ohio Poll: Bush Takes Double-Digit Lead Over Kerry
Kerry Had Slight Lead After DNC

POSTED: 11:01 am EDT September 21, 2004
UPDATED: 11:14 am EDT September 21, 2004

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- President George W. Bush now leads Sen. John Kerry by double digits in the latest Ohio Poll sponsored by the University of Cincinnati.


Bush's leads Kerry by 11 percentage points among Ohio's likely voters.

The telephone survey of 456 likely voters was conducted between Sept. 12 and Sept. 18.

The poll shows that 54 percent of Ohio's likely voters support Bush, 43 percent support Kerry and 2 percent support Independent candidate Ralph Nader. One percent is undecided.

Kerry led in a "dead heat" race by 2 percentage points in a poll conducted after the Democratic National Convention. This was the first poll taken since the Republican National Convention.

The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

[Exile_In_SJ]

electoral votes....

http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

[Exile_In_SJ]

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=32af2f65-0abe-421a-0163-a37500cc48fe&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf


Latest poll shows Bush winning in Colorado
written by: Adam Schrager (9NEWS Reporter)
Created: 9/24/2004 5:03 PM MDT - Updated: 9/24/2004 5:17 PM MDT




9NEWS Political Reporter Adam Schrager breaks down the latest presidential poll numbers for Colorado. 5 p.m. September 24, 2004.

DENVER - President Bush has surged ahead of Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry, according to a 9News-Survey USA poll done this week in Colorado.

The poll results show the president with a 52-44 percent lead among 626 likely Colorado voters. Three percent of the surveyed voters are supporting other candidates and 2 percent remain undecided. The margin of error in the poll is 4 percent.

The president defeated Al Gore here in Colorado by eight percentage points during the 2000 election.

The poll results, gathered in an identical automated telephone call to all those surveyed, is significantly different from a similar survey taken five weeks ago (Aug. 19) when the two candidates were in a statistical tie with both gathering 47 percent of those surveyed. President Bush experienced a significant turnaround in Colorado's urban areas, specifically in the Denver metro area and in Colorado Springs.

In Colorado's urban areas, the president leads among those polled by a 49-47 percent margin. In the Aug. 19th poll, urban voters selected Sen. Kerry by a 12 percent point margin. Broken down further, voters in the greater Denver area support the president by four percentage points more than Senator Kerry. Five weeks ago, Kerry led that group by three percentage points.

When it comes to both female and male voters in Colorado, the President has an edge, 54-40 percent with men and 49-48 percent with women. Finally, the president leads among voters in every age group in Colorado, specifically dominating among voters between the ages of 35-49. In that area, he leads Sen. Kerry by 17 percentage points.

Both campaigns continue to advertise heavily in Colorado and both candidates visited the state last week.

For a complete look at the poll, its results, its methodology and the history of the Survey USA, the company doing the polling for 9News, you can log on to www.surveyusa.com.

Each political story we produce will be subject to the "Fair and Square" test from viewers. By watching or reading these stories on 9News.com, you can click on the Fair and Square template to critique the story for fairness.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Back on topic....

http://www4.thedailytimes.com/

Man who swore Bush into Air Guard speaks out
2004-09-24
by Lance Coleman
of The Daily Times Staff

Ed Morrisey Jr. has his opinion about rumors President Bush received preferential treatment when he was allowed into the Texas Air National Guard in the late 1960s.

The Blount Countian also has firsthand knowledge.

The 75-year-old Jackson Hills resident is a retired colonel with Texas Air National Guard. He swore Lt. George W. Bush into the service in May 1968.

On Thursday, Morrisey said the argument that Bush got off easy by being in the National Guard doesn't take into consideration the context of the 1960s.

``Bush and the others were flying several flights day or night over the Gulf of Mexico to identify the unknown,'' he said. ``The Cold War was a nervous time. You never knew. There were other things going on equally important to the country, and the Air National Guard had a primary role in it.''

Morrisey said the commander he worked for at the unit in Texas was sent there to rebuild the image of the unit. There were only two to four pilot training slots given to them per year, he said. Individuals questioned by an evaluation board and then chosen by the commander had to be the best.

``Bush was selected and he turned out just fine,'' he said.

According to Morrisey, after Bush began working as a fighter pilot, he became regarded as one of the best pilots there. Unit commander Col. Maurice Udell considered Bush to be one of his top five pilots, Morrisey said.

``The kid did good,'' he said.

Each pilot had to perform alert duty where they patrolled for unidentified aircraft during the threat of the Cold War, Morrisey said.

``Bush Jr. did good for us,'' Morrisey said. ``He pulled alert and he did it all.''

Morrisey said that while Bush didn't get preferential treatment, not everyone was allowed into the National Guard.

``We wanted the best we could get. We never knowingly took an unworthy individual in the units I belonged to,'' he said. ``You're only as good your worst individual.''

This isn't the first time a reporter called Morrisey asking whether or not Bush received preferential treatment. Shortly after Republicans nominated Bush for president in 2000, a reporter from Texas called Morrisey.

``That floored me. The only people that got preferential treatment was when Jimmy Carter pardoned those guys that went to Canada,'' he said of individuals who fled to Canada to avoid the draft during the war in Vietnam.

Speaking of the controversy surrounding Bush's Guard service during the Vietnam era, Morrisey said: ``I think it's tragic. I think real people can filter through this. At least I hope so.''

Morrisey said he agreed with Bush's work as president and supported the administration's aggressive stance toward fighting terrorism and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

``We've got to eliminate terrorists,'' he said. ``Let's get them where they're living instead of them getting my grandkids and great-grandkids here.''

Morrisey worked as the executive officer of the 147th Fighter Group from February of 1967 to July of 1968. From Texas he came to Alcoa where he was the first commandant of the Noncommissioned Officer Academy at McGhee Tyson Air National Guard Base. He also was ``dedicated to the development'' of the Air National Guard Leadership School and the Officer Preparatory Academy to commission Air Guard officers.

He was commandant for all three schools and became the first commander of the I.G. Brown Professional Military Education Center.

Morrisey has been involved in the community, including being a former member of the Blount Chamber of Commerce, president of the Maryville Kiwanis Club, Blount County Boys Club board member and on the ALCOA Scholarship Selection Committee.

[Wolffman]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

yeah funny how forged documents will do that rofl what a maroon

But Monkey:

Those CBS memos represent only a small fraction of the body of evidence that the chimp was AWOL.

You're so far behind the curve it's not funny.

http://www.bartcop.com/chimp-special03.jpg

[Exile_In_SJ]

954

[watermock]

Your so far behind the curve you can't see the stone wall.

Your all over what again? It's so amusing. Yesterday it was the genius Burkett, now it's the old Hitler rant. Tommorow it will be Laura as an ex prostitute in Texas, or her being a killer.

Have you ever seen someone with Paranoid Dementia where they keep seeing spiders crawling out of the walls?

We could make a case study out of LABF.

[watermock]

954

Section 8

[Exile_In_SJ]

lol Mock 954 refers to the title of this thread. GWb as all NAG people were required to accrue 300 points over their 6 year enlistment. George Bush accrued 954 points, over THREE TIME THE REQUIRED amount of points. Thereby ptting lie to the title of this thread. So any time LaBull****ter refers to Bush going AWOL or any otrher BS regarding Bush's fine ANG service, I'll respond with 954, or better yet 954>300

[Cito Pelon]

It's a matter of honor.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL @ the Bush Davidian trying to spin the fact that there's no evidence the AWOL monkey fulfilled his commitment to the ANG.

AWOL Boy cannot prove that he fulfilled his commitments in either Alabama or Boston.

No one has come forward to acknowledge seeing him in either place.

AWOL Boy has still not explained why he refused to take his flight physical and was suspended from flying.

No amount of powerlineblog.com propaganda can change these basic facts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/reso-man.jpg

[Exile_In_SJ]

LOL @ the Bush Davidian trying to spin the fact that there's no evidence the AWOL monkey fulfilled his commitment to the ANG.

AWOL Boy cannot prove that he fulfilled his commitments in either Alabama or Boston.

No one has come forward to acknowledge seeing him in either place.

AWOL Boy has still not explained why he refused to take his flight physical and was suspended from flying.

No amount of powerlineblog.com propaganda can change these basic facts.


you know what's really funny? He doesn't have to prove anything. He has the honorable discharge that says he provided satisfactory service. Morons like you are the ones who have to prove he was AWOL. So far you haven'r even come close. And you know something else? The American electorate doesn't care. No matter how much your side fabricates memos, lies and bleats, they just don't care. Bush has a nice substantial lead and the people could care less if a few whacko lefties whine AWOL AWOL AWOL.

you do provide entertainment LABullSh*tter. You get more pathetic each post and weird thread you begin. Keep on going, I haven't laughed so hard since I began reading your drivel. rofl.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He doesn't have to prove anything.

The AWOL Monkey claims he fulfilled his obligation to the ANG, but the records indicate otherwise. The burdon of proof is on the monkey. So far, no one can vouch for the monkey and no one remembers seeing him in either Alabama or Boston.

He has the honorable discharge that says he provided satisfactory service...

Do you honestly believe the AWOL Monkey came by that discharge any more honestly than he gained admission to the champagne unit of the ANG when there were already hundreds of people ahead of him on the waiting list? You're obviously smoking some serious dirt weed.

Morons like you are the ones who have to prove he was AWOL.

Only people wearing mongrammed 'W' knee pads (like you) believe this.

Bush has a nice substantial lead...

The race is a dead heat (no matter what powerlineblog.com told you.)

you do provide entertainment LABullSh*tter.

Says the smear boat monkey.

Too funny! LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"He admitted to me that to avoid Vietnam, his Dad's friends skipped him through the long waiting list to get him into the Texas National Guard. He thought that was a smart thing to do. What I couldn't stand - and I told him - he was all for the U.S. to continue with the Vietnam War. That means he was all for other people, Americans, to keep on fighting and dying."

--Yoshi Tsurumi, who taught W at Harvard

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/bush.professor

[Exile_In_SJ]

[QUOTE=L.A. BRONCOS FAN]He doesn't have to prove anything.

The AWOL Monkey claims he fulfilled his obligation to the ANG, but the records indicate otherwise. The burdon of proof is on the monkey. So far, no one can vouch for the monkey and no one remembers seeing him in either Alabama or Boston.

Ah the idiot doesn't know the accuser has to prove the charge. Are you completely stupid or only partially?
You do realize that only far left moonbats like you and the cretins inhabiting DU actually care.

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Bush has a nice substantial lead...

The race is a dead heat (no matter what powerlineblog.com told you.)

Gee and 2 new polls came out today with Bush having a 6 point lead in one poll and 8 in the other. I wonder, do you even know how to read? Hardly a dead heat. Most polls have Bush up by 5-6 points.

try reading sometime. Maybe even the old SRA program might help you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ah the idiot doesn't know the accuser has to prove the charge. Are you completely stupid or only partially?

But jackass:

If the AWOL Monkey makes the claim (as he did) that he fulfilled his ANG commitments in Alabama and Boston then the burdon of proof is on him.

So far, no one remembers seeing him in either place, and no one can vouch for him.

The monkey still can't explain why he refused to take his physical and why he was suspended from flying (which his military records indicate.)

try reading sometime

Says the powerlineblog monkey.

Too funny! LOL

http://www.bartcop.com/rubble-boy.jpg

[Rigs11]

Ah the idiot doesn't know the accuser has to prove the charge. Are you completely stupid or only partially?

But jackass:

If the AWOL Monkey makes the claim (as he did) that he fulfilled his ANG commitments in Alabama and Boston then the burdon of proof is on him.

So far, no one remembers seeing him in either place, and no one can vouch for him.

The monkey still can't explain why he refused to take his physical and why he was suspended from flying (which his military records indicate.)

try reading sometime

Says the powerlineblog monkey.

Too funny! LOL

http://www.bartcop.com/rubble-boy.jpg

Dumbya was probably living in fantasyland back then too. You know if Dumbya says so it must be true......

[Exile_In_SJ]

Maybe math wasn't your strong suit.. okay the last 8 polls..
1. ABC news /WP Bush up 6

2. CNN/USAT/Gallup Bush up 8

3. Time Bush up 6

4. Fox news Bush up 4

5. Battleground Bush up 5

6. Marist Bush up 6

7. CBS news Bush up 9

9. Ap/Ipsos Bush up 7

the Average is Bush 50% Kerry 43.6%

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GWB's average approval rating 51.7%

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EV tallys

Bush 291 Kerry 221

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so are you faimiliar with numbers and their meaning? I'll go slow for you LABs. the bigger numbers are better. Bush has bigger numbers than Kerry, averaging 6+ units more than Kerry. Now listen up, this is not a dead heat.

[Exile_In_SJ]

now we await LAbs to return from bartcop to show a silly jpeg......

[Exile_In_SJ]

I've heard LAbs can count up to 21... well 20 -1/4 (he'll never figure that one out, I may have to explain it to him)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/mmail-by.jpg

LOL @ the bush blow monkey cherry picking his polls.

Just yesterday, Rasmussen showed the race in a dead heat.

(Which is really the point--the polls have been going back and forth daily.)

KKKarl Rove must be getting frustrated that he just can't shake Kerry.

[Exile_In_SJ]

[QUOTE=L.A. BRONCOS FAN]
But jackass:

If the AWOL Monkey makes the claim (as he did) that he fulfilled his ANG commitments in Alabama and Boston then the burdon of proof is on him.

So far, no one remembers seeing him in either place, and no one can vouch for him.

The monkey still can't explain why he refused to take his physical and why he was suspended from flying (which his military records indicate.)

Uhm all he has to do to prove he fulfilled his obligations to the ANG, is point to his honorable discharge papers. You lose again moron.

Burden of proof is on the accuser. This is the USA, not france.

[Rigs11]

Maybe math wasn't your strong suit.. okay the last 8 polls..
1. ABC news /WP Bush up 6

2. CNN/USAT/Gallup Bush up 8

3. Time Bush up 6

4. Fox news Bush up 4

5. Battleground Bush up 5

6. Marist Bush up 6

7. CBS news Bush up 9

9. Ap/Ipsos Bush up 7

the Average is Bush 50% Kerry 43.6%

-----------

GWB's average approval rating 51.7%

---------------

EV tallys

Bush 291 Kerry 221

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so are you faimiliar with numbers and their meaning? I'll go slow for you LABs. the bigger numbers are better. Bush has bigger numbers than Kerry, averaging 6+ units more than Kerry. Now listen up, this is not a dead heat.


Here's some math for you:

6 weeks left before election-aint over yet
1013 US troops killed
7000 US soldiers injured
13000 Iraqis killed
$200 billion tax dollars spent
1.4 million jobs lost in US since recession declared over

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

all he has to do to prove he fulfilled his obligations to the ANG, is point to his honorable discharge papers. You lose again moron.

Wrong again, assclown.

Honorable discharge papers do not mean the AWOL monkey fulfilled his commitments--they just mean Poppy pulled strings (just like he did when he got Junior into the ANG in the first place.)

Report Shows Bush Was AWOL

How can the GOP worship a wartime deserter?

As a new examination of documents by the Boston Globe shows, "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation." Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. But "he didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show."

Bush also has claimed "I did show up in Alabama" in 1972 when he was supposed to report there for duty. But as the Globe notes, "Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

http://www.misleader.org/daily_misl...df09082004.html

[Exile_In_SJ]

Here's some math for you:

6 weeks left before election-aint over yet

The more people see of the poodle the less they like of flipper

1013 US troops killed

Unfortunate for the troops, but 2.3 million iraqis freed.


7000 US soldiers injured

see above


13000 Iraqis killed

see above


$200 billion tax dollars spent

so? Doesn't bother me a bit. Clinton spent 70 billion on Kosovo and Miloslovic is still thumbing his nose at the world court

1.4 million jobs lost in US since recession declared over

really? and here the Labor department says just the opposite.



you can now remove your nose from LAbs rear end (hands you a tissue)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

all he has to do to prove he fulfilled his obligations to the ANG, is point to his honorable discharge papers. You lose again moron.

Spoken like a typical BushCo chickenhawk who knows nothing about the military.

During the AWOL Monkey's day, you could be a major f*ck up and still receive an honorable discharge. (Of course, it didn't hurt if your daddy was rich, powerful, and connected too.)

[Exile_In_SJ]

all he has to do to prove he fulfilled his obligations to the ANG, is point to his honorable discharge papers. You lose again moron.

Wrong again, assclown.

Honorable discharge papers do not mean the AWOL monkey fulfilled his commitments--they just mean Poppy pulled strings (just like he did when he got Junior into the ANG in the first place.)

Report Shows Bush Was AWOL

How can the GOP worship a wartime deserter?

As a new examination of documents by the Boston Globe shows, "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation." Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. But "he didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show."

Bush also has claimed "I did show up in Alabama" in 1972 when he was supposed to report there for duty. But as the Globe notes, "Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

http://www.misleader.org/daily_misl...df09082004.html

You know whats funny? The entire country doesn't care except for a few morons like yourself. You still haven't proven a thing. You lose, and you lose and you keep on losing. Bush wasn't AWOL and he'll be re-elected on November 2.. rofl

[Rigs11]

you can now remove your nose from LAbs rear end (hands you a tissue)

Good one, did your 12 year old brother teach you that comeback? Uhh

[Exile_In_SJ]

all he has to do to prove he fulfilled his obligations to the ANG, is point to his honorable discharge papers. You lose again moron.

Spoken like a typical BushCo chickenhawk who knows nothing about the military.

During the AWOL Monkey's day, you could be a major f*ck up and still receive an honorable discharge. (Of course, it didn't hurt if your daddy was rich, powerful, and connected too.)

Hey, I'm a chickenhawk in the class of Bill Clinton. You still heven't proven he went AWOL. If you're confident, ask George Soros for some money and start a campaign to have Bush charged with being AWOL. See how far you get? Moron.

[Exile_In_SJ]

LABser, have you figured out numbers yet?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Good one, did your 12 year old brother teach you that comeback? Uhh

No, actually i got it from bartcop. good huh?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The manner in which Smirk entered the TANG was dishonest, and now a bush blower wants us to believe the chimp came by his discharge papers in a more honest fashion?

Too funny. LOL

[Rigs11]

I guess Exile only likes the math that Smirky spews out. Exile in Fantasyland?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Good one, did your 12 year old brother teach you that comeback? Uhh

I would have used something more celebral and subtle, but I wanted to make sure you were able to understand

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The entire country doesn't care except for a few morons like yourself.

Wrong again, sh*t for brains. There are more of us than there are of you.

You still heven't proven he went AWOL.

I've provided just such proof on this thread, monkey. You're just too dumb to comprehend what's right in your face.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Notice the way the bush fellator keeps waffling?

First he says "you can't prove bush was AWOL."

Then, when you put the proof in his face, he says "well, nobody cares."

[Exile_In_SJ]

well it's been fun abusing you two leftie dimwits, but life beckons, try not to hurt yourselves.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Here it is again for the FRetard to read with his lips moving...

Report Shows Bush Was AWOL

How can the GOP worship a wartime deserter?

As a new examination of documents by the Boston Globe shows, "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation." Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. But "he didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show."

Bush also has claimed "I did show up in Alabama" in 1972 when he was supposed to report there for duty. But as the Globe notes, "Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

http://www.misleader.org/daily_misl...df09082004.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

well it's been fun abusing you two leftie dimwits...

And then you woke up and gave dubya his morning reach-around.

[Rigs11]

well it's been fun abusing you two leftie dimwits, but life beckons, try not to hurt yourselves.

What life? Bowing down to pictures of Dumbya sitting on Uncle Cheney's lap? Oh by the way Cheney wont be at the debates to help Dumbya form coherent phrases in the English language. How do you think Dumbya will fair? This is going to be freaking hilarious.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What life? Bowing down to pictures of Dumbya sitting on Uncle Cheney's lap? Oh by the way Cheney wont be at the debates to help Dumbya form coherent phrases in the English language. How do you think Dumbya will fair? This is going to be freaking hilarious.

Hilarious! :thumbsup:

Quotes

"Any allegation that my dad asked for special favors is simply not true."

--Dubya, in 1999, lying his ass off, pretending to be his own man

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/bush.professor

[watermock]

Bush flew the dangerous F-102 which was not based in Alabama.

He was discharged with 5 years, 4 months and 16 days and has his papers.

He went to study at Harvard.

What part of this is beyond your comprehension? I have been thru this several times. The only nitwit you can get to go nutcase is Burkett, ala "I need to be put in a rubber room".

I can't believe your still playing this.

I posted his Honorable Discharge papers on this very forum. He was excused to go to Harvard. What part of this is beyond you?

Clinton was in Oxford! Did Bob Dole make an issue about his limp arm?

286 people can't be wrong.

Bush didn't need to drive a nuclear delivery fighter

Your so full of crap it isn't even funny.

Fact is, most that fought with Kerry considered him a self promoting moron.

Bush was considered a fine pilot and was qualified to land on an aircraft carrier just last year.

Sit down and shut up you dimwit.

[watermock]

You want to tell me one damn thing that Bush was unfit as a pilot?

C'mon Biatch. You must have at least one. Bush never showed up for his training exercise ect ect ect.

You can't produce crap.

Give me one report that Bush ever showed up unfit for duty or was unfit to fly. God knows if he showed up hung over and unfit to fly you would be on it like a maggot on a dead pig.

Fact of the matter is you can't. You won't, and your a hystercal biatch.

Your Champion Clinton ran off to Oxford while Bush ran a horribly unstable F-102 which was a horrible air platform and liable to death.

But Clinton and Kerry are the War Heros.

You people are literally disgusting.

[Exile_In_SJ]

The entire country doesn't care except for a few morons like yourself.

Wrong again, sh*t for brains. There are more of us than there are of you.

Hmmmmm LABullSh*tter, if there are more of you whacko lefties who care about this, why isn't it showing up in the polls? No one but you unbalanced leftie dimwits cares.

You still heven't proven he went AWOL.

I've provided just such proof on this thread, monkey. You're just too dumb to comprehend what's right in your face.

Your links from fellow whackos doesn't constitute proof. Put your money where your mouth is and beg Soros for some scratch and get someone to charge GWB with being AWOL. Otherwise you're just another moonbat flitting in the dark...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You still heven't proven he went AWOL.

Wrong again, numbnuts.

The proof is right in front of your face--you just refuse to acknowledge it.

Report Shows Bush Was AWOL

How can the GOP worship a wartime deserter?

As a new examination of documents by the Boston Globe shows, "Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligation." Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard Business School - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty. But "he didn't meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show."

Bush also has claimed "I did show up in Alabama" in 1972 when he was supposed to report there for duty. But as the Globe notes, "Bush's service records do not show him logging any service in Alabama until October of that year." Furthermore, "even that service is in doubt" as "no one has come forward with any credible recollection of having witnessed Bush performing guard service in Alabama or after he returned to Houston in 1973."

http://www.misleader.org/daily_misl...df09082004.html