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orinjkrush
09-19-2004, 09:52 AM
dont know if it has been posted but a colleague of mine came up with this. take a look:

September 13, 2004 issue
Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative


Four Day War


The Iran/Israel conflagration, a history.


By Claude Salhani

A number of analysts believe that Iran will reach a critical stage in its pursuit of nuclear capability sometime within the next few months. This is a terrifying new development, far more worrisome than the wars and uprisings that have plagued the Middle East to date.

Indeed, as Ray Takeyh, director of studies at the Near East and South Asia Center at the National Defense University, said at a recent Washington conference, Iran may have already passed the point of “political no return” in its bid for nuclear competence. If the Islamic republic has already passed that political landmark, then the actual point of no return cannot be far away.

Iran’s urge to join the elite “nuclear club” has been encouraged by a number of patrons who would like to see a second Islamic nation, after Pakistan, develop a nuclear weapon to counter Israel’s atomic arsenal. Takeyh believes that if Iran has not crossed the threshold, it is “awfully close.”

Stressing the Islamic republic’s objective, last June Iran’s Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi asked that his nation be recognized as a member of the nuclear club. “This is an irreversible path,” Kharrazi stated. He went on to reveal that his country is now able to operate the full nuclear fuel cycle. Then, in a tentative reassurance to the West, added that Iran is “not now enriching uranium.” Not yet—but intelligence analysts believe it will soon begin processing this vital nuclear component.

Iran has long wanted to be recognized as a regional superpower, a desire that began under the shah, if not earlier, possibly as far back as 580 B.C. with Cyrus the Great. The country’s mutation from an imperial dynasty to an Islamic theocracy did little to alter Iran’s visions of regional grandeur. From their perspective, Iranians feel they have good reason to want nuclear deterrence.

First, the United States’ invasion of Iraq served as a reminder to autocracies around the world of their need to be strong enough to deter potential U.S. intervention. If nothing else, Iraq’s invasion served as the poster child for nuclear deterrence against unilateral military action from the world’s remaining superpower. Repeated threats of regime change by the Bush administration have only increased Iran’s fears that they could be next in line. President George W. Bush’s campaign promise about “finishing the job,” if re-elected in November, is a slogan that must keep more than one ayatollah awake at night—and pushing for nuclear deterrence.

Immediately following the 1991 Gulf War, India’s then chief of staff was asked privately what strategic lessons should be drawn from the rapid and overwhelming U.S. victory over Iraq. “Make sure you have your own atomic bomb before you challenge the United States,” he replied.

Second, Iran cannot predict how a highly unstable Iraq—a longtime foe—will turn out once this initial post-Saddam chaotic phase passes. And third, some members of Tehran’s ruling theocracy believe that if Israel is permitted nuclear weapons, why not Iran? Being lumped into the “Axis of Evil” has helped justify a level of paranoia.

While the United States is keeping an eye on Iran’s nuclear progress, there is another country watching even more closely. Israel, feeling the most threatened by Iran’s march towards nuclear competency, is reportedly preparing a repeat of its 1981 raid on Iraq’s nuclear facility at Osirak. With about 140,000 American troops in neighboring Iraq, chances that the U.S. will intervene militarily are slim, making it all the more probable that Israel will feel it has to act unilaterally.

According to a recent report, Israel has built replicas of Iran’s nuclear facilities in the Negev Desert, where their fighter-bombers have been practicing test runs for months. Israel realizes it has a small window of opportunity if it is to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities before they go “hot” and leakage from an attack causes harmful exposure to tens of thousands of civilians caught by radiation forced into the atmosphere by such a raid.

Israel is unlikely to accept Iran’s word that its nuclear program is meant solely for peaceful purposes and aimed at developing commercial energy. The possibility of decisive military action is, indeed, high.

What follows is the unfolding of a worst-case scenario, an imaginary yet all-too-possible depiction of how events might develop if Israel were to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Day One: Wednesday

In a pre-dawn raid, undisclosed numbers of Israeli warplanes, taking off from military airbases in the Negev, destroy Iran’s main nuclear facility at Bushehr. Israel’s armed forces have released no details, but it is believed the planes flew over parts of Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia, and Iraq, refueling in mid-air before reaching their target. Military analysts speculate that the planes must have refueled somewhere over Iraq.

During the one-hour raid, Iran claims to have shot down “several” Israeli fighters. Television images show pilots being lynched by furious mobs before Iranian authorities could reach them. The after-effects of the raid shake the Arab and Islamic world. Millions take to the streets demanding immediate action against Israel.

In planning the attack, Israel weighed the threats of Arab and Muslim reaction. The only other nuclear threat, and a possible danger to Israel, is Pakistan. Israel considered striking Pakistan’s nuclear sites, too, but Indian intelligence reports that Pakistan lacks long-distance delivery for its warheads. Bombay is the farthest they can reach. Additional reassurance from American intelligence convinced Israel that as long as Musharraf remains in power, Pakistan does not represent an imminent threat. The decision was made not to hit Pakistan.

Day Two: Thursday

Believing that Israel would never undertake such actions without U.S. approval, or at least a tacit nod from the American administration, Iran retaliates. Thousands of Revolutionary Guards are dispatched across the border into Iraq with orders to inflict as many casualties on American troops as possible. Fierce clashes erupt between coalition forces and Iranians. Within hours, more than 400 U.S. troops are killed, and many more wounded in heavy fighting. Iranian sleeper agents, who have infiltrated Iraq since the downfall of Saddam, urge Iraqi Shi’ites into action. They cut major highways and harass coalition troops, preventing reinforcements from reaching units under attack. Several helicopters are shot down.

Tehran orders the Lebanese Shi’ite movement, Hezbollah, into action against northern Israel. Hezbollah launches scores of rockets and mortars against kibbutzim, towns, and settlements. Israel retaliates. Casualties are high on both sides of the frontier. Tension in the Middle East reaches a boiling point. In Washington, the Cabinet convenes in an emergency session.

Massive demonstrations erupt all over the Arab and Islamic world. Crowds of gigantic proportions take to the streets, ransacking Israeli embassies in Cairo, Amman, and Ankara. American embassies in a number of other cities are burned. With police overwhelmed, the military is called in. Armies open fire, killing hundreds, adding to the outrage.

Day Three: Friday

Following Friday prayers across the Islamic world, crowds incited by fiery sermons in mosques from Casablanca to Karachi take to the streets in the worst protests yet. Government buildings are ransacked, and clashes with security forces result in greater casualties. Martial law is declared, and curfew imposed, but this fails to prevent further mayhem and rioting. Islamist groups call for the overthrow of governments and for immediate military action against Israel.

In Saudi Arabia, Islamist militants engage in open gun battles with security forces in several cities. The whereabouts of the Saudi royal family are unknown. In Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, and a dozen other countries, crowds continue to run amok, demanding war on Israel.

Day Four: Saturday

A longstanding plan to overthrow Musharraf is carried out by senior Pakistani army officers loyal to the Islamic fundamentalists and with close ties to bin Laden. The coup is carried out in utmost secrecy.

Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI—a long-time supporter of the fundamentalists—in agreement with the plotters, takes control of the country’s nuclear arsenal and its codes. Within hours, and before news of the coup leaks out, Pakistan, now run by pro-bin Laden fundamentalists, loads two nuclear weapons aboard executive Lear jets that take off from a remote military airfield, headed for Tel Aviv and Ashdod. Detouring and refueling in east Africa, they approach Israel from the south. The crafts identify themselves as South African. Their tail markings match the given identification.

The two planes with their deadly cargo are flown by suicide pilots who, armed with false flight plans and posing as business executives, follow the flight path given to them by Israeli air traffic control. At the last moment, however, the planes veer away from the airfield, soar into the sky and dive into the outskirts of the two cities, detonating their nuclear devices in the process.


The rest of this scenario can unfold in a number of ways. Take your pick; none are encouraging.

Israel retaliates against Pakistan, killing millions in the process. Arab governments fall. Following days of violence, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt succumb to Islamist rebels who vow open warfare with Israel. The Middle East regresses into war, with the fighting claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. A much-weakened Israel, now struggling for its very survival, deploys more nuclear weapons, targeting multiple Arab capitals. The Middle East is in complete mayhem, as the United States desperately tries to arrange a cease-fire.

This was all a bad dream, or rather one writer’s dark vision of what might happen if the current situation is allowed to continue unchecked. What precisely are the chances of any of this coming to pass? The probability of Israel striking Iran is very real. That could happen at any moment. As for the rest, there is really no way to know what will ensue once the demons are unleashed. Events could unfold as described above, or they could develop a bit differently, give or take a nuke or two. Whatever the outcome, it will not be good.

The solution is far from evident. Takeyh, the professor of national security studies, notes that in the past where there have been cases of “nuclear reversal,” such as in South Africa, it has happened due to a change in the region’s strategic environment.

The Middle East hardly falls into that category. Iran is unlikely to give up its nuclear deterrence as long as Israel remains a nuclear power. Israel is unlikely to cede its nuclear capability as long as it feels threatened by the Arab/Islamic world and as long as Pakistan holds on to its bomb. Pakistan, of course, points to India, also a nuclear power. India looks at Pakistan and across the Himalayas and sees nuclear-armed China and says it would never give up its cherished membership to the elite nuclear club.

In his campaign stops, President Bush keeps reiterating that the world is a safer place because of his actions. Yet looking at the state of world affairs it is very difficult to agree with him. The dead-ended Mideast peace talks, Saudi Arabia’s internal turmoil, continuing Islamist terrorist threats, the vulnerability of American troops in Iraq, and the question of Iran’s nukes all contribute to maintaining tensions at an all-time high.

Barring a solid and lasting peace settlement between Israel and its Arab neighbors, the countries of the Middle East are far from nuclear disarmament. If anything, nuclear proliferation is only likely to increase as states like Saudi Arabia find that they, too, need to defend themselves against a nuclear-armed Iran. Recent reports have indicated that Saudi Arabia is looking to lease Pakistan’s nukes. The arms race of the Cold War may be dead, but the race for hot weapons has never been so alive.
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Claude Salhani is foreign editor and a political analyst with United Press International in Washington.


September 13, 2004 issue
Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative :drown:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_09_13/print/articleprint.html

Rohirrim
09-19-2004, 03:51 PM
I'm moving to New Zealand.

watermock
09-19-2004, 04:59 PM
Senior Hamas operative killed in Gaza City Sunday night by missiles fired at his car from Israeli helicopter. Gunshot damages apartment in S. Jerusalem Har Homa suburb. Police investigate source of fire.

DEBKAfile reports: Washington is engaged in undercover talks with Damascus on military cooperation for sealing Syrian-Iraqi frontier. Assad uses added leverage to torpedo Egypt’s commitment to Sharon’s disengagement plan. He tells Hamas to boycott working paper for all-faction Palestinian conference in Cairo.

How this situation developed is outlined in DEBKAfile’s Special Analysis below.

Sharon told weekly cabinet meeting he has instructed Israeli military command to prepare for evacuation of Gaza Strip under enemy fire. Army chiefs: This can only be done by capturing large sections of Gaza Strip with heavy military and civilian casualties.

Sharon added: Egyptians are doing more to fight Palestinian arms smuggling from Sinai - but not enough. Shin Beit chief Dichter maintained that Israel’s exit from Philadelphi Gaza Strip-Egypt border strip will open door to vast inflow of smuggled arms. More on dispute between Israeli PM and army chiefs in News Box beneath Headlines.

Zarqawi’s Ansar al Sunna displays over Internet three severed heads of Kurdish drivers for KDP whose bodies were found near Mosul.

British and Iraqi PMs’ Blair and Allawi discuss fate of three hostages, two Americans, one Britain captured in Baghdad. In news conference, Blair declares Iraq is crucible of war against global terrorism and will determine who wins.

Terrorists in Iraq know what is at stake and are killing everyone who helps Iraq. Allawi promised to stick to January election timetable and called on UN to help it succeed. He said he is talking with all Iraqi factions, including Sunni insurgent leaders.

Iran rejects demand by UN atomic watchdog’s 35-nation board to freeze uranium enrichment by November deadline and cooperate with UN inspectors – or else answer to UN Security Council. Rejection places Iran in similar position to North Korea which Saturday vowed never to dismantle nuclear arsenal, accusing US of hostile attitude.

Four mortar shells land on Gaza Strip settlements Sunday, causing no casualties. Greenhouses damaged. More terrorist actions thwarted in Gaza Strip Sunday, when Israeli force killed Jihad Islami member in act of planting explosive at Karni crossing, and second device defused near Dugit.

Shin Beit director Dichter reported to cabinet that terrorist attack on Israeli holidaymakers in Egyptian Sinai was aborted by Israeli strike that killed 14 Hamas terrorist trainees in Gaza last week. Sharon said nothing new on second prisoner swap with Hizballah. Search for data on missing navigator Arad is constant.

Egyptian sources report unscheduled arrival in Cairo of Damascus-based Hamas leader Mashal. US radio station reports he left Damascus Saturday en route for Iran.DEBKAfile adds: Syrian authorities have never told him to go. He spends most of his time in Qatar and Cairo of his own free will.

Bush in radio address warned terrorist violence in Iraq and Afghanistan could get worse as elections draw near in both countries. In last week, 200 Iraqis killed. He said US and allies will honor their commitments, called on international community to rise to occasion.

Tuesday, US president addresses UN assembly, hosts Karzai and Musharraf; Thursday, holds joint news conference with Iraqi PM Allawi in White House Rose Garden.

Car bomb near insurgent stronghold of Samarra north of Baghdad kills 1 Iraqi soldier, injures 3 Americans. Joint force entered town 10 days ago to set up new administration

US armored vehicles kill 4 Iraqis in Fallujah Sunday after precision strike carried out overnight against checkpoint used by al Qaeda operative Zarqawi’s men for kidnapping and executions.




DEBKAfile reveals: Iraq tipped over into latest surge of violence by breakdown of three US-backed negotiating tracks with Sunni leaders and former Baath generals.

It is expected to peak ahead of US November election and Iraq’s January poll. Read DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis below


German interior minister Schilly examining possibility of preventing “First Arab-Islamic Congress in Europe” opening in Berlin on Oct. 1 under slogan of struggle against “American-Zionist hegemony and occupation in Palestine and Iraq.” Meanwhile no German visas issued to participants.

watermock
09-19-2004, 05:07 PM
Iran defies curbs on nuclear activities
Teheran threatens to block inspections and to pull out of the non-proliferation treaty if country is sanctioned by the UN

TEHERAN - Iran reacted yesterday with defiance to a tough resolution from the United Nations atomic watchdog, rejecting calls to halt sensitive nuclear activities and threatening to block tough inspections if the issue was referred to the Security Council.

'Iran will not accept any obligations concerning the suspension of enrichment,' the country's top nuclear official Hassan Rowhani said at a press conference after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) called for a halt to uranium enrichment-related activities.

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He spoke a day after the IAEA governing board issued its demands and said it would judge Teheran's compliance in two months.

Although Mr Rowhani appeared to reject Saturday's resolution, he did say Iran would only accept a suspension 'through negotiations' and if it was a 'voluntary decision'.

But he also raised the tone of the stand-off by warning that the Islamic republic would halt its application of a key safeguards treaty if the nuclear dossier was referred to the Security Council, as sought by the United States.

'We are committed to the NPT...and will continue to voluntarily apply the additional protocol. But we will stop applying the additional protocol if the case is sent to the Security Council,' Mr Rowhani warned.

Iran signed the additional protocol to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) last December, but parliament has yet to ratify it. The text obliges Iran to accept tougher IAEA inspections, including short-notice visits to even undeclared facilities.

Mr Rowhani, a mid-ranking cleric and head of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, threatened that Iran's hardline parliament could also push to pull out of the NPT if the Security Council moved to sanction the country.

The US in particular accuses Iran of secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons, but Teheran said it merely wants to produce fuel to generate energy.

Iran suspended enrichment in October last year as a confidence-building measure but has continued support activities such as building the centrifuges that refine the uranium.

It has also caused alarm by saying that it would be carrying out the first stage of the nuclear fuel cycle, making the uranium gas that is the feed for centrifuges.

The resolution passed on Saturday called on Iran to halt such work.

Fuel cycle work is permitted under the NPT, but Iran has been under pressure to suspend and even halt such work because of its dual-use nature.

The process of enriching uranium can be carried out to produce fuel for a nuclear reactor or the core of a nuclear bomb.

Mr Rowhani said fuel-cycle work at a uranium conversion facility in the central city of Isfahan was going ahead, as was the construction of a heavy-water reactor at Arak and enrichment preparations at Natanz.

'We have reached the stage where we can produce nuclear fuel...People should know that the suspension is not a halt to our activities. In one year, we have obtained everything we wanted,' said Mr Rowhani.

'We refuse to stop all enrichment-related activities,' he repeated, again rejecting a definitive halt to work on the fuel cycle.

He said dialogue, not demands, may persuade Iran to make some concessions.

'No resolution can impose an obligation on Iran to suspend activities. If there is a way, it will be the way of dialogue. This is an important message for the Europeans and others,' he said.

He accused Britain, Germany and France of breaking their commitment to Iran, referring to the so-called Teheran Declaration, an accord between Iran and Europe's three key powers announced in Teheran last year under which Iran pledged to suspend uranium enrichment. -- AFP, AP

orinjkrush
09-19-2004, 07:27 PM
sharia law enables, and encourages lieing to infidels. therefore treaties with muslims are merely suicide notes for the naive.

orinjkrush
09-20-2004, 05:38 PM
US spies play out strikes on Iran

September 21, 2004
WASHINGTON: US spy agencies have conducted "war games" to consider possible pre-emptive strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities and concluded that such action would not resolve the standoff with Tehran, according to a report in Newsweek magazine.

The report comes amid renewed concerns over Iran's nuclear program after the Islamist state rejected a UN demand that it suspend work on uranium enrichment technology.

The US, which believes Iran is secretly building

nuclear weapons, has been urging the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency to refer the matter to the Security Council for possible sanctions.

But in a compromise resolution passed at the weekend, the IAEA set a November 25 deadline for Iran to suspend uranium enrichment. Iran immediately rejected the resolution.









Newsweek reported that the CIA and the Defence Intelligence Agency played out the possible results of pre-emptive strikes.

"The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating," an unnamed US air force source told the magazine.

Hawks within the Bush administration are advocating regime change in Tehran, through covert operations or force if needed, Newsweek said.

But with US-led forces facing almost daily attacks in Iraq, no one in George W. Bush's cabinet had taken up the cause, the report said.

Iran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes such as power generation. Uranium is enriched through centrifuges to make what can be fuel for civilian nuclear reactors or explosive material for atomic bombs.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei said yesterday Iran's program did not present an "imminent threat", but said Tehran must reassure the international community about its intentions.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10828618%255E2703,00.html

watermock
09-20-2004, 06:11 PM
If we don't do it, the Israeli's will. I have allready been told. The problem is they might have to ditch the planes unless we refuel them.

Rock Chalk
09-20-2004, 08:09 PM
I'm moving to New Zealand.

Dont let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya.

watermock
09-20-2004, 09:09 PM
I'm moving to New Zealand.

That'll teach em' a lesson.

Who do you think saved New Zealand? Actually it was my Great 2nd Uncle General Krueger, but he never got the press. He was relieved of command by the fanatical McArthur who decided the Phillipines were more important than the prime target.

That madman's idiotic gameplan cost thousands of lives. We had the enemy cut off. We didn't even have to bother with Tarawa or the Phillipines once we cut them off. That was just for show and blood. They would of withered at the vine. But such is war.

So if you want to go to New Zealand, just remember that.

watermock
09-20-2004, 09:20 PM
We could of pressed Japan as early as the B29's learned how to combat the jet stream at lower levels.

All you had to do was bomb the ports and pick the stragglers off as they headed back to port and kill them one by one. Then you just starve the moles into death or surrender. But that is all history.

My Great Uncle hated that Pompous Prick McAurther.

watermock
09-20-2004, 09:22 PM
From May 1941 until February 1943, the Third Army was commanded by Lieutenant General Walter Krueger. General Krueger made the Third Army the best training army in the United States.

Krueger had in his Third Army two men who would gain fame. One of these men was his Chief of Staff, a new brigadier general, named Dwight D. Eisenhower. The other man was the leader of Krueger's Hell On Wheels 2nd Armored Division. His name was George S. Patton, Jr.

General Douglas MacArthur, Commander in Chief of Pacific Forces, personally requested that Krueger be given command of the Sixth Army. In January of 1943, Krueger reported to MacArthur and took command of his new army.

From February 1943 until end of 1943, Third Army was commanded by Lt. Gen. Courtney H. Hodges. During this period it was primarily a gigantic training army comprised of hundreds of units from small detachments to full corps.

There was but one goal to Third Army's day-to-day conduct of business. General Hodges had announced it many times and no one in Third Army was permitted to lose sight of it: Maximum Fighting Efficiency.

There was no talk of "this is going to be a short war;" "it'll be over before we get overseas." Units were trained in the belief that they were going over as fighting units and that each and every man within each unit had an important job to do - assist in bringing victory to our arms.

Movement of troops overseas started slowly. Antisubmarine warfare was just beginning to meet with success and shipping was still short. But in July and August of 1943, the alert orders flooded the Headquarters in increasing numbers. By 30 December 1943, Third Army had moved to ports, for direct shipment overseas, a grand total of 208,566 officers and men, including five divisions.

On 31 December 1943, the Third Army was transferred to combat army status and at 0830 the next morning came the telephone call for which they had waited so long. Third Army's readiness date was 15 February. It was to leave at authorized strength plus a CIC detachment of three officers and 13 enlisted men. By 15 January the entire headquarters was POM (prepared for overseas movement) to the last man and the advance detachment comprised of 13 officers and 26 enlisted men, left for the port. Upon disembarking from the Ile de France, they were met by their new commander.

[Krueger source: Province, Charles M. The Third Army in World War II.. Used by permission.]

watermock
09-20-2004, 09:26 PM
I guess I never really told anyone that a relative of mine trained Ike and Patton.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-20-2004, 11:42 PM
http://www.bartcop.com/schieffer.jpg

watermock
09-21-2004, 02:10 AM
Cut and paste idiot.

Rohirrim
09-21-2004, 06:29 AM
Dont let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya

That'll teach em' a lesson

How do you know it's the political season? Nobody can take a joke anymore.

Although I do want to visit New Zealand and see all the places where LOTR was filmed.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-21-2004, 09:17 PM
Great sig pic, Ro!

:thumbsup:

watermock
09-21-2004, 09:58 PM
Having the President hit in the face with a brick brings out:"Great sig pic, Ro!"

Hey man, why not make a picture of Dubya being blown up by a missle in AF1 while visiting Iraq!

That would be even more awesome.

We could cruise with that on PS3 for weeks!

watermock
09-21-2004, 10:05 PM
I don't care who the President is. This is just my opinion.

I'm not even going to tell you how tired I am about the absolute rediculous representation of the President.

From Chimpanzee to Bricks off his head, it all seems fair game to the wingnuts. I say this because it's been 18 hours since Bush asked for help for world peace at the very same time Kerry launced his most vicious attack against Bush on Iraq.

This bothers me about his agenda. And it frightens me. He doesn't have a cohesive policy yet manages to bring his hardest hits on the day Bush talks to the United Nations.

I know a Carp when it's hooked, and this one stunk before it was dragged into the boat.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-22-2004, 01:59 AM
Quote of the Day

"If anyone is ready to celebrate the re-election of Bush, it's al Qaeda. Bush is
al Qaeda's best recruiting sergeant."

--Sir Ivor Roberts, Britain's envoy to Italy

This is so obvious, the GOP is lying when they say they can't see it. Why would al Qaeda want Kerry in charge when Kerry has promised to go after them? They know Bush is too busy stealing Arab oil to hunt them down, so they prefer President Monkey.