Conspiracy Theory

[RunByDesign]

I'm ready to discuss some.

I'm not talking about one here and one there, I'm talking about One World Government, the Ruling Elite, the overall reduction of the human populace by 80% and the hoarding of the Worlds' energy supplies. I'm talking about the Military - Industrial Complex and a perpetual State of War. I'm talking about a police state and a cashless money society. It actually seems that we are headed in that direction.

European Union...WTO...the U.N....numerous other organizations...all of these bodies seek to consolidate power and develop policy at the behest of the ruling elite. Hitlers' vision of a centralized European government is being realized here and now.

Most extensive theories eerily point to the same general idea. Ames?

[Pat Bowlen]

Yeah, I read 1984 too.

Good book.

[RunByDesign]

Yeah, I read 1984 too.

Good book.

Exactly.

[Rascal]

Well first off doesn't it go against the constitution, or something like that, to have a foreign miliatary within our borders?

Unless we drop the constitution or whatever rule it was US would, and I won't allow, a foreign military to be here.

[RunByDesign]

Well first off doesn't it go against the constitution, or something like that, to have a foreign miliatary within our borders?

Unless we drop the constitution or whatever rule it was US would, and I won't allow, a foreign military to be here.

No source to speak of but, didn't this kind of complexity manifest itself a time ago with dutch troops on the ground in Washington (state), training our troops/police in the practice of containing civil disobedience? And didn't this directly prepare our police and miilitary in that area for the FEMA camp at the last WTO conference there?

I have not studied these points in detail but the complicity still remains. No foreign presence shall be tolerated within our borders. (militarily)

These points would lead us and others to consider that there is indeed a contigency plan to arm and train our police in military style tactics and to train them to imprison the popoulation.

Not only that, but the US Military itself is implicated in matters of civilian affairs, all over the country which, to my understanding, is illegal.

Texas, being the prime example.

So, they're eroding our basic rights as Americans...(Patriot Act 1 and 2), training our military and police to imprison us by the millions in these fema camps...on the verge of declaring Marshall Law and postponing the Election indefinetly( in the case of a predicted)...(in my most sarcastic tone..), terrorist attack....can you say "PoliceState"?

The movement towards One World Government and a Police State is growing, it seems.

I am no expert but I do have eyes, ears and intellect. Too many lies to ignore, too much evidence not to consider....(in the most broad and general way)

[RunByDesign]

I have something I would like to share. For everyone to consider:

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the Federal government. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

—President Dwight Eisenhower, farewell speech to America, Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

the hoarding of the Worlds' energy supplies...

Speaking of which, if the assertions in the following linked stories are true, then we are seriously f*cked.

http://www.gulland.ca/depletion/Endofroad.htm

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Introduction.html

http://www.feasta.org/documents/feastareview/fleming.htm

Thoughts?

[watermock]

Not exactly. Unless you want to quote Eisenhower, your not bringing up anything new.

[RunByDesign]

Hey man, I'm all for the mass production of Hemp and its various forms of harvestable products.

Hemp cellulose is among the highest concentration among natural fibers, if I am not mistaken.

Hemp seed for food.

Hemp oil for fuel, (among other things)...in various forms.

These three basic realities are the foundation of the hypothesis that Hemp could replace many consumable goods.

I don't really want to turn it into a pro-Hemp thread, but there are quite literally, numerous possibilities for this yearly-renewable energy source.

[RunByDesign]

Not exactly. Unless you want to quote Eisenhower, your not bringing up anything new.

Delve deeper. I want more from you. And don't jump all over the place.

[RunByDesign]

I mean...if you'e not interested, why even reply? To respite me?

[watermock]

Even a deaf dog deserves to be kicked once in awhile.

[RunByDesign]

Poor 'mock and his abusive past.

Equating love with violence is the obvious indicator of an inescapeably abusive childhood.

It's ok man. It's not your fault. :'(

[TheDave]

Conspiracy theories aside, has anyone done any "Real" research into this. Is this just BS to sell books or are the oil supplies actually running out. Until just now i have never heard of this...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Conspiracy theories aside, has anyone done any "Real" research into this. Is this just BS to sell books or are the oil supplies actually running out. Until just now i have never heard of this...
They will be soon at the rate China is sucking up oil. I posted a thread about this awhile back but don't know if the links are still active or not.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=13140

[watermock]

First, there is plenty of oil, if we would just develop it. There is even more Natural Gas, if we would just develop it.

Third, there isn't any conspiracy other than this self imposed circle jerk. I crashed the party.

Listen to this dimwit:

Poor 'mock and his abusive past.
Equating love with violence is the obvious indicator of an inescapeably abusive childhood.
It's ok man. It's not your fault.

I was never abused. I learned to hate the enemy. I didn't equate love with violence whatsoever.

I wasn't talking about a Dog, I was talking about YOU. I have never kicked an animal in anger in my life, but I wouldn't have a problem kicking your deaf ass into the street.

Finally, you make alot of assumptions that are total reaches. My mother was a Sunday School Teacher and My Father built the Methodist Chruch.

Sit down and shut up. And no, my Father never raised his hand on me even once. Not when I crashed cars, not when I sank boats, not when I did anything. He probably should of. But to make these idiotic assertions is scum at it's worst. I have never laid a hand on a woman or my crazy mockchild.

So get off my ass Dimwit.

[TheDave]

They will be soon at the rate China is sucking up oil. I posted a thread about this awhile back but don't know if the links are still active or not.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=13140

Thanks alot for the link BB

[watermock]

I explained this months ago and told you people the reason for pellet nuclear power.

[RunByDesign]

First, there is plenty of oil, if we would just develop it. There is even more Natural Gas, if we would just develop it.

Third, there isn't any conspiracy other than this self imposed circle jerk. I crashed the party.

Listen to this dimwit:



I was never abused. I learned to hate the enemy. I didn't equate love with violence whatsoever.

I wasn't talking about a Dog, I was talking about YOU. I have never kicked an animal in anger in my life, but I wouldn't have a problem kicking your deaf ass into the street.

Finally, you make alot of assumptions that are total reaches. My mother was a Sunday School Teacher and My Father built the Methodist Chruch.

Sit down and shut up. And no, my Father never raised his hand on me even once. Not when I crashed cars, not when I sank boats, not when I did anything. He probably should of. But to make these idiotic assertions is scum at it's worst. I have never laid a hand on a woman or my crazy mockchild.

So get off my ass Dimwit.

You're in my thread, you pussy.

[TheDave]

I explained this months ago and told you people the reason for pellet nuclear power.

Isn't all modern nuclear power pellet based?

[watermock]

No.

They make pellets yes, but they stack them in rods to boil steam.

newer technology can keep the pressures and meltown crisis down by magnitudes.

They won't put out what the big steamers do but will be virtually meltdown free.

[RunByDesign]

But to make these idiotic assertions is scum at it's worst.

Interjecting your worthless tripe warrants any objectionable response that I choose to communicate.

Look, uneducated jackass:

Questioning the reality that power hungry ignoramuses like your hero propagates, is essential to the collective progression of the human psyche.

Truth is not contained in your bottle of Mad Dog 20/20....or, maybe in your case, it is. In any case, just because you think that you have the answers via your alcohol-induced crystal ball gazing, does not mean that your definition of reality is acceptable for the rest of us.

You have nothing to add, that can elaborate and expand on the topic in an enlightening way?

Stay the f*ck off my thread then, you f*cking crybaby.

[watermock]

Interjecting your worthless tripe warrants any objectionable response that I choose to communicate.

Look, uneducated jackass:

Questioning the reality that power hungry ignoramuses like your hero propagates, is essential to the collective progression of the human psyche.

Truth is not contained in your bottle of Mad Dog 20/20....or, maybe in your case, it is. In any case, just because you think that you have the answers via your alcohol-induced crystal ball gazing, does not mean that your definition of reality is acceptable for the rest of us.

You have nothing to add, that can elaborate and expand on the topic in an enlightening way?

Stay the f*ck off my thread then, you f*cking crybaby.

You didn't even manage an argument. And it's not "Your" thread you idiot.

Earth to Dimwit, it's a Bulletin Board, not your hypersensitive Blog freak show.

[RunByDesign]

You didn't even manage an argument.

You didn't even manage a coherent thought. :stupid:

[watermock]

Oh yes I did. What was it?

It was called you didn't manage an argument. That was an argument you Dimwit.

I do have to repost this one for an example.

Questioning the reality that power hungry ignoramuses like your hero propagates, is essential to the collective progression of the human psyche.

Jesus Christ. Every time I read that tripe I go into hysterics.

"that power hungry ignoramuses" isn't even in context.

Stay the f*ck off my thread then, you f*cking crybaby.

Jesus Christ what an invitation.

[watermock]

Your my crack hoe and it's totally amusing.

[RunByDesign]

Your a f*cking idiot and it's totally amusing.

[TheDave]

No.

They make pellets yes, but they stack them in rods to boil steam.

newer technology can keep the pressures and meltown crisis down by magnitudes.

They won't put out what the big steamers do but will be virtually meltdown free.

Yeah i thought that was how it was all being done now... but in any regard i agree Nuclear is the way to go.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Truth is not contained in your bottle of Mad Dog 20/20....or, maybe in your case, it is.

Hilarious!

A doctorate in bullsh*tology from Mogen David U only gets you so far in life.

http://www.bartcop.com/jesus-wrong.jpg

[watermock]

Call CBS you Dimwit.

[watermock]

doctorate in bullsh*tology from Mogen David U only gets you so far in life.

How about you should look twice before crossing the road.

[alkemical]

rbd-

its something i ponder -

is a one world government good or bad... its like the use of technology

in alot of ways america was the rung to get the ball rolling. we overthrow elected officials in other countries when we don't approve when they do whats best for themselves.

but bush & kerry show us that the elite persons are firmly in control. both are dynasties vying for the throne -

[Raider Bill]

Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods
Oil Experts to Seek a Deeper Meaning
By CHRISTOPHER COOPER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


HOUSTON -- Something mysterious is going on at Eugene Island 330.

Production at the oil field, deep in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana, was supposed to have declined years ago. And for a while, it behaved like any normal field: Following its 1973 discovery, Eugene Island 330's output peaked at about 15,000 barrels a day. By 1989, production had slowed to about 4,000 barrels a day.

Then suddenly -- some say almost inexplicably -- Eugene Island's fortunes reversed. The field, operated by PennzEnergy Co., is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million. Stranger still, scientists studying the field say the crude coming out of the pipe is of a geological age quite different from the oil that gushed 10 years ago.

Fill 'er Up

All of which has led some scientists to a radical theory: Eugene Island is rapidly refilling itself, perhaps from some continuous source miles below the Earth's surface. That, they say, raises the tantalizing possibility that oil may not be the limited resource it is assumed to be.

"It kind of blew me away," says Jean Whelan, a geochemist and senior researcher from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. Connected to Woods Hole since 1973, Dr. Whelan says she considered herself a traditional thinker until she encountered the phenomenon in the Gulf of Mexico. Now, she says, "I believe there is a huge system of oil just migrating" deep underground.

Conventional wisdom says the world's supply of oil is finite, and that it was deposited in horizontal reservoirs near the surface in a process that took millions of years. Since the economies of entire countries ride on the fundamental notion that oil reserves are exhaustible, any contrary evidence "would change the way people see the game, turn the world view upside down," says Daniel Yergin, a petroleum futurist and industry consultant in Cambridge, Mass. "Oil and renewable resource are not words that often appear in the same sentence."

Mideast Mystery

Doomsayers to the contrary, the world contains far more recoverable oil than was believed even 20 years ago. Between 1976 and 1996, estimated global oil reserves grew 72%, to 1.04 trillion barrels. Much of that growth came in the past 10 years, with the introduction of computers to the oil patch, which made drilling for oil more predictable.

Still, most geologists are hard-pressed to explain why the world's greatest oil pool, the Middle East, has more than doubled its reserves in the past 20 years, despite half a century of intense exploitation and relatively few new discoveries. It would take a pretty big pile of dead dinosaurs and prehistoric plants to account for the estimated 660 billion barrels of oil in the region, notes Norman Hyne, a professor at the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma. "Off-the-wall theories often turn out to be right," he says.

Even some of the most staid U.S. oil companies find the Eugene Island discoveries intriguing. "These reservoirs are refilling with oil," acknowledges David Sibley, a Chevron Corp. geologist who has monitored the work at Eugene Island.

Mr. Sibley cautions, however, that much research remains to be done on the source of that oil. "At this point, it's not black and white. It's gray," he says.

Although the world has been drilling for oil for generations, little is known about the nature of the resource or the underground activities that led to its creation. And because even conservative estimates say known oil reserves will last 40 years or more, most big oil companies haven't concerned themselves much with hunting for deep sources like the reservoirs scientists believe may exist under Eugene Island.

Economics never hindered the theorists, however. One, Thomas Gold, a respected astronomer and professor emeritus at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., has held for years that oil is actually a renewable, primordial syrup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attacked by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs, he says.

While many scientists discount Prof. Gold's theory as unproved, "it made a believer out of me," says Robert Hefner, chairman of Seven Seas Petroleum Inc., a Houston firm that specializes in ultradeep drilling and has worked with the professor on his experiments. Seven Seas continues to use "conventional" methods in seeking reserves, though the halls of the company often ring with dissent. "My boss and I yell at each other all the time about these theories," says Russ Cunningham, a geologist and exploration manager for Seven Seas who isn't sold on Prof. Gold's ideas.

Energy Vacuum

Knowing that clever theories don't fill the gas tank, Roger Anderson, an oceanographer and executive director of Columbia University's Energy Research Center in New York, proposed studying the behavior of oil in a reservoir in hopes of finding a new way to help companies vacuum up what their drilling was leaving behind.

He focused on Eugene Island, a kidney-shaped subsurface mountain that slopes steeply into the Gulf depths. About 80 miles off the Louisiana coast, the underwater landscape surrounding Eugene Island is otherworldly, cut with deep fissures and faults that spontaneously belch gas and oil. In 1985, as he stood on the deck of a shrimp boat towing an oil-sniffing contraption through the area, Dr. Anderson pondered Eugene Island's strange history. "Migrating oil and anomalous production. I sort of linked the two ideas together," he says.

Five years later, the U.S. Department of Energy ponied up $10 million to investigate the Eugene Island geologic formation, and especially the oddly behaving field at its crest. A consortium of companies leasing chunks of the formation, including such giants as Chevron, Exxon Corp. and Texaco Corp., matched the federal grant.

Time and Space

The Eugene Island researchers began their investigation about the same time that 3-D seismic technology was introduced to the oil business, allowing geologists to see promising reservoirs as a cavern in the ground rather than as a line on a piece of paper.

Taking the technology one step further, Dr. Anderson used a powerful computer to stack 3-D images of Eugene Island on top of one another. That resulted in a 4-D image, showing not only the reservoir in three spatial dimensions, but showing also the movement of its contents over time as PennzEnergy siphoned out oil.

What Dr. Anderson noticed as he played his time-lapse model was how much oil PennzEnergy had missed over the years. The remaining crude, surrounded by water and wobbling like giant globs of Jell-O in the computer model, gave PennzEnergy new targets as it reworked Eugene Island.

What captivated scientists, though, was a deep fault in the bottom corner of the computer scan that was gushing oil like a garden hose. "We could see the stream," Dr. Anderson says. "It wasn't even debated that it was happening."

Woods Hole's Dr. Whelan, invited by Dr. Anderson to join the Eugene Island investigation, postulated that superheated methane gas -- a compound that is able to absorb vast amounts of oil -- was carrying crude from a deep source below. The age of the crude pushed through the stream, and its hotter temperature helped support that theory. The scientists decided to drill into the fault.

Unlucky Strike

As prospectors, the scientists were fairly lucky. As researchers they weren't. The first well they drilled hit natural gas, a pocket so pressurized "that it scared us," Dr. Anderson says; that well is still producing. The second stab, however, collapsed the fault. "Some oil flowed. I have 15 gallons of it in my closet," Dr. Anderson says. But it wasn't successful enough to advance Dr. Whelan's theory.

A third well was drilled at a spot on an adjacent lease, where the fault disappeared from seismic view. The researchers missed the stream but hit a fair-size reservoir, one that is still producing.

It was here, in 1995, that the scientists ran out of grant money and PennzEnergy lost interest in continuing. "I'm not discounting the possibility that there is oil moving into these reservoirs," says William Van Wie, a PennzEnergy senior vice president. "I question only the rate."

Dr. Whelan hasn't lost interest, however, and is seeking to investigate further the mysterious vents and seeps. While industry geologists have generally assumed such eruptions are merely cracks in a shallow oil reservoir, they aren't sure. Noting that many of the seeps are occurring in deep water, rather than in the relative shallows of the continental shelf, Dr. Whelan wonders if they may link a deeper source.

This summer, a tiny submarine chartered by a Louisiana State University researcher will attempt to install a series of measuring devices on vents near the Eugene Island property. Dr. Whelan hopes this will give her some idea of how quickly Eugene Island is refilling. "We need to know if we're talking years or if we're talking hundreds of thousands of years," she says.


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