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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 12:43 AM
George has his surrogates trying to cast doubt on the authenticity of the documents shown in the CBS 60 minutes program. However, the Whitehouse ALSO released the documents after 60 minutes showed them on TV and have not questioned that they are real.

Yet, it was the White House — not Kerry's campaign — that distributed four memos from 1972 and 1973 from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, now deceased, who was the commander of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston where Bush served. The White House obtained the memos from CBS News, which said it was convinced of their authenticity, and the White House did not question their accuracy.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard&cid=544&ncid=716

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 12:46 AM
The other smoking gun in the Smirk AWOL story:

Globe: Bush didn't meet military obligations

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040908/ts_nm/campaign_bush_vietnam_dc_3

The Globe said in July 1973, before Bush left Houston to attend Harvard, he signed a document saying: "It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... "

Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post in 1999 that the future president had served at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after leaving Houston. But Bush never joined a Boston-area unit, the Globe said.

"I must have misspoke," Bartlett, now WH spokesman, was quoted as telling the Globe in a recent interview.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 12:51 AM
NYT report debunks most of the charges leveled by GOP mudslingers that the documents couldn't possibly be from the early 70's.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/10/politics/campaign/10guard.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 01:58 AM
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RaiderH8r
09-10-2004, 06:30 AM
HA HA HA. You're only rebuttal is to start your own thread and spam it. Man you are hilarious. I post this here so you don't get lonely. HA HA HA.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 02:26 PM
HA HA HA. You're only rebuttal is to start your own thread and spam it. Man you are hilarious. I post this here so you don't get lonely. HA HA HA.

:spamattac :threadjac

Translation:

"Looks like none of my fellow bush lemmings are up to answering the charges at hand. Neither am I. Guess I'll just go for the ad hominem and declare another imaginary victory."

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 03:28 PM
Tangled web--forgery hawkers are connected to SBVT

Looks like those bombarding the media with forgery allegations are connected to the Swift Boat Liars. And the Mike Russell that's mentioned in this Salon article? I swear, that was the name of the guy who disrupted the Kerry rally earlier in the week and was tackled by the sheet metal workers. What mischief-makers!

according to Eric Boehlert in
http://salon.com

excerpt:

But there is clear evidence confirming that the same conservative operatives who have been busily promoting the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth smears of Kerry are now engaged in pushing the story that CBS's "60 Minutes Weeknight Edition" aired forged documents in its Wednesday night report on Bush and the National Guard.

Creative Response Concepts, the Arlington, Va., Republican public relations firm run by former Pat Buchanan Communications Director Greg Mueller, with help from former Pat Robertson Communications Director Mike Russell, sent out a media advisory Thursday to hawk a right-wing news dispatch: "60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake." Creative Response Concepts has played a crucial role in hyping the inaccurate, secondhand Swift Boat allegations, with Russell serving as the group's official spokesman. A company spokesman could not be reached for comment.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 03:31 PM
This is the 9 inch nail in the coffin, to me:

The CNS News.com story, echoed by other conservative outlets, helped sparked a debate over proportional spacing, fonts, electric typewriters and superscripts as independent typographical experts weighed in with their own doubts. Some experts contacted by the Washington Post, New York Times and Salon suggested that the raised, or superscripted, "th" in one of Killian's memos was a telltale sign that the documents were created well after 1972. Yet independent researcher Marty Heldt notes that he had received an undisputed Bush military document in 2000 from the Vietnam era that clearly contains a superscripted "th." He also notes that when Killian's Aug. 14, 1973, memo is enlarged and the word "interference" is examined, it's clear the two middle e's rest higher on the page than the other two e's; that is not something a modern-day word processor would likely do. "

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2004, 03:45 PM
In 1968, hypertext editing on a computer was invented. That means they could do that little "th" up by the number you all seem so worked up about in 1972!

http://www.thocp.net/timeline/1965.htm

Dan Rather on CNN--"No retraction, this story is true"

CNN just interviewed Rather (very short). He says CBS stands by its reporting, will not retract, and emphasized that the story is true.