60 Minutes II will Interview Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 10:13 AM

who now admits to helping Bush get into the Texas National Guard and avoid combat during Vietnam. In anticipation, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan attacked Barnes, saying "It is not surprising coming from a longtime partisan Democrat." Barnes, however, gave his endorsement to and is a top fundraiser for Republican Texas State Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn – Scott McClellan's mother.

The above from David Sirota, Christy Harvey, Judd Legum and Jonathan Baskin
http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF/b.8473/

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Exclusive Interview: Ben Barnes
(CBS) Wed., Sept. 8 at 8 p.m. ET/PT
Correspondent Dan Rather talks exclusively to former Texas House Speaker and Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, a Democrat, about the role Barnes says he played in getting President George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard -- and why he now regrets it.

Rather's exclusive interview will be broadcast Wednesday, Sept. 8, at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999...main48284.shtml

Mile High Shack

09-08-2004, 10:14 AM

who cares?

vietnam was 30 years ago

Kerry is the only guy making it a center piece for his run to the white house.

RaiderH8r

09-08-2004, 10:57 AM

Ben Barnes is one of Kerry's top financial donors and fundraisers. He is listed as a Vice Chair which means he has donated and raised over $100,000....but no agenda here. HA HA HA.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0319b.html

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/topfundraisers.pdf

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 11:01 AM

watermock

09-08-2004, 11:51 AM

He was allready ripped apart by Bill.

Let him go to Dan Rather. How amusing. He's worse than King now.

Pat Bowlen

09-08-2004, 01:52 PM

Yeah, this guy should shutup already. The only people that really care about what he's saying are the people that already believed Bush got preferential treatment... so what's the point?

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 03:09 PM

Yeah, this guy should shutup already. The only people that really care about what he's saying are the people that already believed Bush got preferential treatment... so what's the point?
Actually, having him on national TV is not what the Bush administration wants to see. Lots of undecided voters in this election.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 04:28 PM

who cares?

vietnam was 30 years ago

Those wingnuts (like you) who have started a gazillion threads to attack Kerry's service to country and to parrot the SmearVets lies and bullsh*t certainly seem to "care."

Kerry is the only guy making it a center piece(sic) for his run to the white house.

Wrong again. Trouble with your memory?

KKKarl Rove and his pet cockroach John O'Neill have made Kerry's service the centerpiece of Bush's campaign.

They know the Alkie in Chief has accomplished nothing positive in the last four years. Therefore, their only recourse is to keep our focus on Viet Nam (instead of those issues which are important to most Americans at present, e.g., jobs, health care, the economy, Iraq, etc.)

Furthermore, Dim Son has been trying to sell himself as a "war president" and a John Wayne-like figure in a flight suit for quite some time. Can't blame Kerry for bringing a reality check on the AWOL-going fraud.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 05:12 PM

Tonight's 60 Minutes hints at Bush blockbuster tonight

The 1,500 word piece claims: “Twice during his Guard service - first when he joined in May 1968, and again before he transferred out of his unit in mid-1973 to attend Harvard - Bush signed documents pledging to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty.

“He didn’t meet the commitments, or face the punishment, the records show.”

http://eblog.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=39

http://www.bartcop.com/idiot-dumb.jpg
"Rich & connected means they can die in my place..."

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 05:29 PM

Not good for Bush. The new memos from his commanders showed he was ordered to take his physical when he asked to get out of it. I'm sure they will be up shortly.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 05:39 PM

Check your CBS market. Some not showing tonight's 60 Min.

So far I've heard OKC and Kansas markets pushed it back to a 3am and 1:30am time slot.

"Liberal media," my ass.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 05:40 PM

http://www.questionw.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_milk_bush.gif

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 07:26 PM

The actual memos CBS obtained.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay19.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust1.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf

Rohirrim

09-08-2004, 07:50 PM

I watched it. Bush should be ashamed to even claim he earned an honorable discharge. He got one, but he didn't earn it. The next thing to be done is to find those hundred names that Bush jumped in so cowardly a fashion, and see how many of them are on The Wall.

Somebody died for you, Dubya. Don't you even want to know his name - so you can "honor his service?"

Bronco_Beerslug

09-08-2004, 08:00 PM

watermock

09-08-2004, 08:44 PM

That is assumptive and argumentative and finally, preposterous. Men have been wondering why the guy next to him took the bullet for centuries.

What is so funny about all of this is this new spam is totally too late and out of context like a woman running around crazy throwing furniture.

Carry on.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 10:32 PM

I watched it. Bush should be ashamed to even claim he earned an honorable discharge. He got one, but he didn't earn it.

He didn't "earn" an honorable discharge any more than he "earned" admittance to the ANG unit which he subsequently deserted.

The boy king has never had to actually work for anything in his pampered life.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-08-2004, 11:18 PM

All Bush's life, he's been surrounded by people who on his behalf will threaten and pressure those who are trying to do their jobs in an honest and conscientious manner and show an unwillingness to tell the lies Bush wants told. Here's this unit CO making a 'CYA' memo for the record about being pressured to give Bush a good fitrep, so it really does go back all of Bush's adult life.

This fits in nicely with the Eliza May whistleblower lawsuit, in which state regulator May was first pressured not to inspect the governor's cronies, and then fired for continuing to perform her job. Add in this latest news on the cost of the Medicare bill and the threats from the BushCo official to the fellow who wanted to give honest cost estimates to Congress. Then there are the Bush administration officials who practically camped out at the CIA pressuring them to cook the intel books on Iraq...

It's a PATTERN.

Bronco_Beerslug

09-09-2004, 04:56 AM

And more on Bush's "missing in action" record.

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Bush's attendance at required training drills was so irregular, the Globe said, that his superiors could have disciplined him or ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974.

"In fact, Bush's unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been 'satisfactory' -- just four months after Bush's commanding officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous 12 months," it said.

Bush "either deliberately lied to the American public or he has a very strong memory loss" about his service, Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a conference call with the press.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=1503&ncid=2043

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"I can't explain why that wouldn't be in his record, but they were found in Jerry Killian's personal records," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told CBS's "60 Minutes II," which first obtained the memos.

The White House said in February that it had released all records of Bush's service, but one of Killian's memos stated it was "for record" and another directing Bush to take the physical exam stated that it was "for 1st Lt. George W. Bush."

"On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination ... as ordered," says an Aug. 1, 1972 memo by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who is now dead.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._national_guard

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 05:54 AM

RaiderH8r

09-09-2004, 06:07 AM

See post #3 for Mr. Barnes' motive.

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 06:10 AM

See post #3 for Mr. Barnes' motive.

naaa...Dems never do anything like that...only slimy republicans, didn't you get the memo?

Rohirrim

09-09-2004, 06:20 AM

you guys are grasping at straws

GW never made his service or lack their of a central point in his campaign...but Kerry did.

All this reeks of desperation and it's obviously going to backfire pretty badly I believe on the left.

Interesting reply. So, you are willing to sidestep the moral issue of what Bush did and put the whole thing in strictly political terms. How decent of you.

In other words, it's okay to smear an actual war hero, but to ask questions of the behavior of cowards is below the belt?

This is what I've realized about Republicans: They are living in Bizarro World, where everything is the opposite. Where courage is cowardice, morality is degenerate, entitlements for the needy are a blight on society, but entitlements for the wealthy represent a return to the natural order of things. Where taxation of the middle class is a necessary evil, but taxation of the wealthy is an unfair burden. Where destroying the reputation of war heros by lies is just politics, but attacking the records of cowards and deferment takers is unpatriotic... It's all starting to clear up for me. I'm beginning see your vision for America.

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 06:24 AM

Bronco_Beerslug

09-09-2004, 06:29 AM

See post #3 for Mr. Barnes' motive.
I see, that explains why he gave his endorsement to and is a top fundraiser for Republican Texas State Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn – Scott McClellan's mother.

Rohirrim

09-09-2004, 06:31 AM

BUSH NEVER SMEARED HIM

the swift boat veterans did

I think the vets don't have much of a problem with what Kerry did in Vietnam, but what he did after.

I just don't get this...why are we going on about this??? To me, Kerry's service has always been a non-issue. I personally don't care what happened 30 years ago, this has NO effect on the future.

I'm just shocked you seem to think it does.

Kerry's service is not the issue, the Bush campaign is. Saying that Rove and Bush had nothing to do with the Swiftliars is like some girl saying she's still a virgin cause all she does is give BJs. Nobody buys it. The same smears were conducted against Cleland and McCain. They have a certain "stamp" to them. It's like a criminal. He commits one crime and the cops have nothing to go on. He commits a series of crimes and they begin to see a pattern, and realize, "Hey, we got a serial killer here."

And the behaviors of these two does have an effect on our future. Bush's history shows that he believes he is entitled to anything, and everything. He never needs to second guess himself on any decision because he's had big daddy to cover his back his whole life. In other words, the boy has never paid his dues. To me, that kind of life has "dangerous decisions" written all over it.

Kerry is the exact opposite.

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 06:43 AM

Kerry is the exact opposite.

bull freakin' crap and you know it

Kerry is a life long politician that married into money two times.

Kerry is a career politician who can't be trusted any more than any other politician. If you somehow think a man who changes his mind based on the polls is a great leader and would help your socialist agenda, then by all means, continue to support him.

Rohirrim

09-09-2004, 07:12 AM

bull freakin' crap and you know it

Kerry is a life long politician that married into money two times.

Kerry is a career politician who can't be trusted any more than any other politician. If you somehow think a man who changes his mind based on the polls is a great leader and would help your socialist agenda, then by all means, continue to support him.

I notice you ignored my claims about Bush and went straight into "attack mode" on Kerry. I think Karl Rove would say, "Well done, Grasshopper."

BTW, Kerry's first wife wasn't rich and Kerry was already pretty well off when he married his second wife. But, once again, I realize that the "Rove philosophy of politics" allows for attacking a man, by attacking his wife.

As I pointed out on another thread, and as you are fully aware, I'm not a socialist. Not yet, anyway.

Also, Bush has made politics the central theme of his campaign. Everything he does is run through his political wing (Rove/Hughes) first. So many people have witnessed and testified to this modus operandi that I couldn't post them all. He's probably the most "political" president we've ever had.

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 07:30 AM

LOL
I watched it. Bush should be ashamed to even claim he earned an honorable discharge. He got one, but he didn't earn it.

He didn't "earn" an honorable discharge any more than he "earned" admittance to the ANG unit which he subsequently deserted.

The boy king has never had to actually work for anything in his pampered life.

AS OPPOSED TO KERRY? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 07:32 AM

To me what this choice boils down to is character.......Bush has it, Kerry don't. (Just like most Democrats)

Rohirrim

09-09-2004, 07:35 AM

To me what this choice boils down to is character.......Bush has it, Kerry don't. (Just like most Democrats)

Well, the depth of your political insight is really enlightening. Thank you for sharing.

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 07:41 AM

Thank you. And you're welcome!

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 07:45 AM

Here's some more insight.....Kerry is a pussy!

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 07:59 AM

Here's what Kerry did......
Decided he was going to be in politics, thought, "hmmmmm, it would be very advantageous to have fought in the war, and be against the war" (a trend of being on both sides of every issue that continues to this day).
But once he got in, he realized he had screwed up....."I could actually get killed here". So he found out the easiest way to save his ass, and get rewarded for it was to get 3 purple hearts (automatic ticket home).
So what if he put himself in for them? (Your CO is supposed to)
So what if they were all EXTREMELY minor cuts and bruises? (He received at least some shrapnel.....from discharging a grenade into a barrell of rice for kicks!
So what if he received these "injuries" in a span of 3-4 months of service? It's all legit! LOL

Bronco_Beerslug

09-09-2004, 08:22 AM

To me what this choice boils down to is character.......Bush has it, Kerry don't. (Just like most Democrats)

Character? Like disobeying a direct order from a superior officer during wartime? I was in about the same time and If I'd disobeyed a direct order I might still be locked up.
By the way, nice job of stereotyping 100 million Americans or so.

Bronco_Beerslug

09-09-2004, 08:26 AM

Here's some more insight.....Kerry is a pussy!
Great post from the epitome of one of Bush's core supporters!

Blueflame

09-09-2004, 12:03 PM

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 12:04 PM

I believe this is "game... set... and match"... :devil:

not really

this was during his service as president of the USA as he is commander in chief of the US Military during that term of service

Blueflame

09-09-2004, 12:05 PM

not really

this was during his service as president of the USA as he is commander in chief of the US Military during that term of service

If it wasn't about his prior service as an Air Force pilot, then why the flight suit?

Not buying, Shack. :P

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 12:07 PM

If it wasn't about his prior service as an Air Force pilot, then why the flight suit?

Not buying, Shack. :P

uh...he was in a fighter plane?

your suppose to wear those "fancy suits" when your in them, even if your a passenger.

Blueflame

09-09-2004, 12:11 PM

uh...he was in a fighter plane?

your suppose to wear those "fancy suits" when your in them, even if your a passenger.

Don't give me that... you know as well as I do that the suit was to reinforce his image as a tough "war president"...

And that photo-op was the first salvo in the "service" issue.

Mile High Shack

09-09-2004, 12:14 PM

Don't give me that... you know as well as I do that the suit was to reinforce his image as a tough "war president"...

And that photo-op was the first salvo in the "service" issue.

he has done his service...afterall, is he not the current commander-in-chief of the USA? Which I believe means he is head of the military at the current time.

Sure it was a photo-op, but it wasn't related to his past service 30 years ago, just his current service of his last 4 years.

Blueflame

09-09-2004, 12:21 PM

he has done his service...afterall, is he not the current commander-in-chief of the USA? Which I believe means he is head of the military at the current time.

Sure it was a photo-op, but it wasn't related to his past service 30 years ago, just his current service of his last 4 years.

Yes, it was related to his prior service... and more than once, he has reminded the American public that he used to be a pilot... so your argument doesn't wash.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-09-2004, 02:37 PM

LMFAO @ the bush lemmings trying to spin their way out of this one!

Memos: Bush Refused Order While in Guard

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/fc/US/bush_administration/latest_developments/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard_41

(AP) - Addressing questions that have lingered for years, newly unearthed memos state that George W. Bush failed to meet standards of the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam war, that he refused a direct order and that his superiors were in a state of turmoil over how to evaluate his performance after he was suspended from flying. One military official "is pushing to sugar coat it," one memo says of a proposed evaluation of Bush.

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 08:07 PM

Mr. Kerry, please sign form 180 and release your records to the public.....President Bush has.
Are you afraid of what we might find? That your 3 months in Viet Nam were not as "heroic" as you have led your followers to believe?
That you actually dodged the war (like your buddy Clinton), while the real heroes stayed and endured their contusions and scrapes instead of applying themselves for Purple Hearts in order to get a ticket home and save their own asses (like you did....COWARD!)?
YOU MAKE ME SICK!

Bronco_Beerslug

09-09-2004, 08:52 PM

I like your avatar of Bush's water-cooler.

Elevation 5280'

09-09-2004, 09:07 PM

I like your avatar of Bush's water-cooler.

AWESOME! You mean President Bush has a Heineken cooler?
If I was on the fence before, THAT just made my mind up!
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2004, 12:13 AM

Mr. Kerry, please sign form 180 and release your records to the public.....President Bush has.

All of Kerry's military records were released months ago, dummy.

And AWOL Boy's records weren't "released"--the AP had to sue to obtain them.

Cito Pelon

09-10-2004, 12:18 AM

Some people admire tough talk, no matter what. Judgement, responsibility, manipulation of other tough-talking fools, and reasoned planning are meaningless to them. They just admire an ability to talk tough, act tough, look tough. That's all that counts to them. Amazing, but there we are.

And they never realize how badly they screw it up for everybody else. Until it's too late to make amends.

Ah well, I hoped for better times as I got toward retirement, but ignorant fools just never go away. They have to be eliminated, or face elimination. OK, I like competition. We'll see who comes out on top.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2004, 12:21 AM

Here's some more insight.....Kerry is a pussy!

The sort of "insight" that comes with copious consumption of the last legal drug pictured in your avatar, no doubt.

As always, Mile High in Texass has everything bass-ackwards.

A "pussy" is a man who avoids Viet Nam by using his daddy's connections to get into a champagne ANG unit which he subsequently deserts (as opposed to a man who could have avoided Viet Nam but who volunteered to go anyway and subsequently became a decorated war hero.)

What is it with repubs and their aversion to facts?

watermock

09-10-2004, 12:33 AM

What a circle jerk.

The files are a conspiracy and you Dimwits got caught up in it.

Do you really want me to go on?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2004, 12:59 AM

No wonder Bush and the guy who authored the previous post are simpatico.

http://www.bartcop.com/ta-go.jpg

Elevation 5280'

09-10-2004, 06:39 AM

Proof?

Didn't think so.....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2004, 03:00 PM

Proof?

Didn't think so.....

Looks like somebody needs to be weaned off the last legal drug.

Dubya: The patron saint of the drunk and stupid.

"Vote for me and together we'll strike a blow against them people with brains!"

Elevation 5280'

09-13-2004, 09:54 PM

Looks like somebody needs to be weaned off the last legal drug.

Dubya: The patron saint of the drunk and stupid.

"Vote for me and together we'll strike a blow against them people with brains!"

That's funny......coming from a democrat. You're all a bunch of freakin' zombies......running around repeating soundbytes that have been drilled into your heads over and over and over and over again.

Bunch of brain-washed morons.....

watermock

09-13-2004, 10:29 PM

All LABF can do is cut and paste cartoons.

http://www.bartcop.com/ta-go.jpg

All he did was put another www.bartcop.com jpg up.

He is a certified idiot.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-14-2004, 12:17 AM

Bunch of brain-washed morons.....

This from a Bubba who gets his "news" from the American Pravda, a.k.a. Fox News?

That's rich.

http://www.bartcop.com/monkey-marlboro.jpg

Blueflame

09-14-2004, 02:15 AM

That's funny......coming from a democrat. You're all a bunch of freakin' zombies......running around repeating soundbytes that have been drilled into your heads over and over and over and over again.

Bunch of brain-washed morons.....

Your namecalling is taking a fairly wide swath there, 5280.... how about addressing the thread topic instead of going for the ad hominem?

Bronco_Beerslug

09-14-2004, 05:03 AM

AWESOME! You mean President Bush has a Heineken cooler?
If I was on the fence before, THAT just made my mind up!
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!
I see you're a person with high standards and a complex mind.

Elevation 5280'

09-14-2004, 06:28 AM

Blueflame, if you want to address name calling and generalizing, talk to your friend labf.

Bronco_Beerslug, your name says all I need to know about "high standards and a complex mind".

LOL

Elevation 5280'

09-14-2004, 06:44 AM

Oh I'm sorry labf, I forgot about you......I know you live to hear my response to your cartoons and party-line blather......nothing of substance (as usual) to respond to.....you just assume I watch Fox news (Faux....how clever)....correct, but I watch the other "fair" ones like CBS LOL too.then you call our President a faker and a monkey (I guess?) as well as our country?

If you hate it here, leave. I'm sure LA has plenty enough degenerates to take your place. If you feel you are in "Monkey Country" you can always leave like your friends Alec Baldwin and his hollywood cronies did......oh wait, I guess that was just more rhetoric.....something you guys are good at. Style without substance seems to sum up those in your party. In other words YOUR ALL TALK.......and it ain't very interesting either....nor compelling.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-14-2004, 05:23 PM

If you hate it here, leave.

There goes another Bubba equating lack of support for Deserter Boy and the American neo-nazi party with "hatred" of America.

Still trying to make that lame ol' dog hunt, I see.

Your namecalling is taking a fairly wide swath there, 5280.... how about addressing the thread topic instead of going for the ad hominem?

But Flame:

Take away name-calling and ad hominem attacks and Mile High in Texass has nothing left to contribute here.

Elevation 5280'

09-14-2004, 09:19 PM

There goes another Bubba equating lack of support for Deserter Boy and the American neo-nazi party with "hatred" of America.

Still trying to make that lame ol' dog hunt, I see.

Your namecalling is taking a fairly wide swath there, 5280.... how about addressing the thread topic instead of going for the ad hominem?

But Flame:

Take away name-calling and ad hominem attacks and Mile High in Texass has nothing left to contribute here.

I could care less if you support Clinton!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-14-2004, 09:45 PM

I could care less if you support Clinton!

Another non-sequitur from another Bubba who apparently needs to be weaned off the last legal drug.

Elevation 5280'

09-14-2004, 09:55 PM

Simpleton......you said I equated your lack of support for "deserter boy" (Clinton) and the neo-nazi's (Democrats) to hatred of America. This is incorrect.

Though it is obvious that you hate America, you actually seem to like Clinton and the democrats.....no accounting for taste I guess....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-14-2004, 10:12 PM

Simpleton......you said I equated your lack of support for "deserter boy" (Clinton) and the neo-nazi's (Democrats) to hatred of America. This is incorrect.

Um, I know you're factually challenged, Bubba, but Clinton didn't "desert" from the ANG or any other branch of the US armed forces.

And by "neo-nazis" I meant those fascists who support the "my way or the highway" leadership style employed by the thugs you're backing.

Distinctions--they are a bitch, eh?