Bush's Guard service still a mystery

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Associated Press looked for National Guard records that should exist to explain the holes in George W. Bush's service: what happened to him in the five unexplained months that he failed to show up for duty.

The result? More mystery.

Documents that should have been written to explain gaps in President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, an Associated Press inquiry shows.

For instance, Air National Guard regulations at the time required commanders to write an investigative report for the Air Force when Bush missed his annual medical exam in 1972.

No such records have been made public and the government told AP in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that it has released all the records it can find.

Bush still hasn't adequately explained what happened during those five months.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/ny-usguard073958649sep07,0,1876461.story

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Your tireless work -- the futile attempt to change the set political views of football fans on an internet chatboard -- will be laughed about for years to come after the inevitable re-election of Bush. Keep it coming... post after post after post after post... for this guy :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your tireless work -- the futile attempt to change the set political views of football fans on an internet chatboard...

Where did you get the idea I was trying to change anyone's views, Bubba?

Everybody knows bush monkeys don't change or evolve.

No, I come here just to watch conservative folks like you dance like cats on a hot tin roof whenever someone outs the Alkie in Chief, i.e., says "the emperor wears no clothes."

Most entertaining.

after the inevitable re-election of Bush..

Does this happen right after the inevitable monkeys flying out of the proverbial patoot?

http://www.bartcop.com/monkeys_for_bush.jpg

[Dr. Broncenstein]

If you are the one being entertained by the reactions of others, why did you resort to name calling?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you are the one being entertained by the reactions of others, why did you resort to name calling?

Just calling a spade a spade.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

So, I'm a redneck monkey... got it. Good thing there are smart people like yourself to explain that to me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:threadjac

Back to the thread topic:

Bush fails active alert mission in '72

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&ncid=718&e=2&u=/ap/20040907/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

60 Minutes Wednesday - Barnes + New Bush TANG Info

(CBS) Wed., Sept. 8 at 8 p.m. ET/PT

Correspondent Dan Rather talks exclusively to former Texas House Speaker and Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, a Democrat, about the role Barnes says he played in getting President George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard -- and why he now regrets it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60II/main3475.shtml

[Dr. Broncenstein]

"And in other news... a pointless thread by a smart california democrat was hijacked by an okie redneck republican monkey... "

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Texans for Truth

Bush AWOL ad:

http://texansfortruth.com

[watermock]

Dickwad has allrready posted this on two other threads.

Dan Rather looking for a story is like giving a blind squirrel a string to follow.

[watermock]

I really want to see the Texans for Truth ad.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...a pointless thread

That's funny--I didn't hear you describing the gazillion threads started by your neocon buddies for the purpose of questioning/attacking Kerry's military service as "pointless."

Ain't that just like a bush bubba?

What's good for the goose is never good for the gander.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.desertersfortruth.com/play.htm

According to a release put out by the group, the ad will feature Bob Mintz, a lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Air National Guard, who served at the Montgomery, Ala., air base in 1972 when Bush was assigned there. Mintz will say he never saw Bush at the base, even though he was looking for him.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2781887

[Dr. Broncenstein]

...a pointless thread

That's funny--I didn't hear you describing the gazillion threads started by your neocon buddies for the purpose of questioning/attacking Kerry's military service as "pointless."

Ain't that just like a bush bubba?

What's good for the goose is never good for the gander.

.... another entertaining reaction

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

.... another entertaining reaction

http://www.bartcop.com/mmail-karen2.jpg

If you're a bush monkey who enjoys getting beat down, that is.

[watermock]

What's good for the goose is never good for the gander.

Pure Genius.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When you're ready to get away from right-wing monkey-speak:

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/arg1.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow--even the conservative-leaning USA Today is running the story.

Lawsuit uncovers new Bush guard records

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-07-new-bush-records_x.htm

"For months George Bush told the nation that all his military records were public..
Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his
nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."

The records show Bush's last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a large lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he went to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign.
Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.

The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.

http://www.bartcop.com/wolf-bump-conv.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

60 Minutes opens the door for the Bush-cocaine story

Why did GWB avoid his physicals and not turn up for his National Guard duty? The facts suggest he was doing time in a Houston community center after being busted for cocaine possession:

Oct. 18, 1999 | A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged with help from his family's political connections. In an afterword to his book "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President" (St. Martin's), Hatfield says he took a second look at the Bush cocaine allegations after a story in Salon reporting allegations that Bush did community service for the crime at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston's Third Ward.

From:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/

What does chicken George say about the charge that he did community service? He says they got the name of the community center wrong.... or he has his surrogates avoid the question. Check out this cross examination by the great Helen Thomas at a Whitehouse press briefing:

"Q: Did the President ever have to take time off from Guard duty to do community service?
Scott McClellan: To do community service? I haven't looked into everything he did 30 years ago, Helen. Obviously, there is different community service he has performed in the past, including going back to that time period --
Q: Can you find out if he actually had --
Scott McClellan: Helen, I don't think we remember every single activity he was involved in 30 years ago.
Q: No, this isn't an activity. Was he forced to do community service at any time while he was on --
Scott McClellan: What's your interest in that question? I'm sorry, I just --
Q: Lots of rumors. I'm just trying to clear up something.
Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?
Q: Pardon?
Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?
Q: About the President having to do community service while he was in the National Guard, take time out for that.
Scott McClellan: I'm not aware of those rumors. But if you want to --
Q: Could you look it up? Would you mind asking him?
Scott McClellan: That's why I'm asking what's your interest in that? I just don't understand your interest in that.
Q: It's what everybody is interested in, whether we're getting the true story on his Guard duty.
Scott McClellan: Well, you have the documents that show the facts.
Q: I'm asking you to try to find out from the President of the United States.
Scott McClellan: Like I said, it's well known the different jobs he had and what he was doing previously, that we know. That goes back to --
Q: I didn't say ‘previously.’ I said, while he was on Guard duty.
Scott McClellan: But you're asking me about 30 years ago. I don't think there's a recollection of everything he was doing 30 years ago.
Q: Well, he would know if he had to take time out. . . ."
. . . and so on, for fifteen minutes.

From:
http://www.hermes-press.com/dishonorable.htm:

What is all this stuff about WB and a community service program? Funny you should ask. You can bet your socks that if George W Bush volunteered to help inner city kids, this fact would be part of every tear jerking bio-mercial for the glorious leader that the RNC ever spewed onto our TV screens. Unless it might cause people to ask WHY he was doing this service instead of his ANG duty. Here is part of Bush Minor's official biography from a US State department site:

In the spring of 1972, he left this job and went to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount. Returning to Houston, he became a counselor for African-American youngsters in a program called PULL (Professional United Leadership League). The program brought together volunteers from the athletic, entertainment, and business worlds to work with young people in a variety of ways. George taught basketball and wrestling and organized field trips to juvenile prisons, so his young charges could see that side of life and resolve not to end up there themselves.

In the fall of 1973, Bush enrolled in Harvard Business School in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

You better screen grab this article before it gets scrubbed. From:
http://usembassy.state.gov/seoul/wwwhe906.html

A related trivia question; can anyone tell me why GWB got a new driver's license with all his previous records expunged? Before anyone tries to say that there is no corroborating source on the story of GWB using cocaine, check this article:

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/11881/

So here are the facts:

* GWB got into the Texas ANG because his father pulled some strings with Ben Barnes, the TX speaker of the house. He did it through a close friend, a well connected oil baron who also had two sons in the Champagne unit. This allowed the Bush family to deny having spoken directly to Barnes.

* Bush Minor failed to attend his TXANG physical inspite of a direct order to attend in late 1972.

* In spring 1973 Bush was working in Houston in Operation PULL and did not attend any of his ANG duty there or in Alabama.

* Two separate sources say Bush was abusing cocaine in about 1972.

What should the media be asking GWB?

Is it fair to debate Bush's drunk driving record and ask him if there are other arrests that he has not confessed to previously?
Does it matter that John Kerry risked his life to save his crew mates in Vietnam but George Bush was out of his skull on illegal drugs having chickened out of serving his country? If we had a real press corps in the US, they would be asking these questions every day.

It matters.

Cocaine destroys brain cells and I don't want a leader with a damaged brain, a hidden criminal past that our enemies could use to blackmail him, who lies to cover up his crimes or who chickens out of risking his own life to protect our nation and then send a thousand brave Americans to their graves hunting fictional WMDs in Iraq.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I want 'Bush and Coke' coverage NOW! I want (and will never get) tireless swiftboat-like coverage by the prime-time slime cable "news" shows.

[watermock]

Go take a piss test.

It's 30 years old.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Pay no attention to the drunken denial monkey in the previous post.

Missing In Action

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/opinion/08kristof.html?pagewanted=print&position=

Resident Bush claims that in the fall of 1972, he fulfilled his Air National Guard duties at a base in Alabama. But Bob Mintz was there - and he is sure Mr. Bush wasn't.

Plenty of other officers have said they also don't recall that Mr. Bush ever showed up for drills at the base. What's different about Mr. Mintz is that he remembers actively looking for Mr. Bush and never finding him.

Mr. Mintz says he had heard that Mr. Bush - described as a young Texas pilot with political influence - had transferred to the base. He heard that Mr. Bush was also a bachelor, so he was looking forward to partying together. He's confident that he'd remember if Mr. Bush had shown up.

"I'm sure I would have seen him," Mr. Mintz said yesterday. "It's a small unit, and you couldn't go in or out without being seen. It was too close a space." There were only 25 to 30 pilots there, and Mr. Bush - a U.N. ambassador's son who had dated Tricia Nixon - would have been particularly memorable.

I've steered clear until now of how Mr. Bush evaded service in Vietnam because I thought other issues were more important. But if Bush supporters attack John Kerry for his conduct after he volunteered for dangerous duty in Vietnam, it's only fair to scrutinize Mr. Bush's behavior.

It's not a pretty sight. Mr. Bush was saved from active duty, and perhaps Vietnam, only after the speaker of the Texas House intervened for him because of his family's influence.

Mr. Bush signed up in May 1968 for a six-year commitment, justifying the $1 million investment in training him as a pilot. But after less than two years, Mr. Bush abruptly stopped flying, didn't show up for his physical and asked to transfer to Alabama. He never again flew a military plane.

Mr. Bush insists that after moving to Alabama in 1972, he served out his obligation at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Montgomery (although he says he doesn't remember what he did there). The only officer there who recalls Mr. Bush was produced by the White House - he remembers Mr. Bush vividly, but at times when even Mr. Bush acknowledges he wasn't there.

In contrast, Mr. Mintz is a compelling witness. Describing himself as "a very strong military man," he served in the military from 1959 to 1984. A commercial pilot, he is now a Democrat but was a Republican for most of his life, and he is not a Bush-hater. When I asked him whether the National Guard controversy raises questions about Mr. Bush's credibility, Mr. Mintz said only, "That's up to the American people to decide."

In his first interview with a national news organization, Mr. Mintz recalled why he remembered Mr. Bush as a no-show: "Young bachelors were kind of sparse. For that reason, I was looking for someone to haul around with." Why speak out now? He said, "After a lot of soul-searching, I just feel it's my duty to stand up and do the right thing."

Another particularly credible witness is Leonard Walls, a retired Air Force colonel who was then a full-time pilot instructor at the base. "I was there pretty much every day," he said, adding: "I never saw him, and I was there continually from July 1972 to July 1974." Mr. Walls, who describes himself as nonpolitical, added, "If he had been there more than once, I would have seen him."

The sheer volume of missing documents, and missing recollections, strongly suggests to me that Mr. Bush blew off his Guard obligations. It's not fair to say Mr. Bush deserted. My sense is that he (like some others at the time) neglected his National Guard obligations, did the bare minimum to avoid serious trouble and was finally let off by commanders who considered him a headache but felt it wasn't worth the hassle to punish him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Rohirrim]

That little Helen Thomas was a pearl. Sad, that it took a little old woman to show the rest of those little pissants on the White House press corps what a pair of balls looks like.

[RaiderH8r]

Still no foreign or domestic policy agenda from the left? Just checking, 2 months and counting to put one together. Someone might want to look into that. "Bush is Bad" just ain't gonna cut it in the end. Substantive policy might be required at some point in time.

[bendog]

There is an agenda on his website, and Edwards has been talking of one - ironicly it sounds like Zel Miller of 1992, but Kerry really doesn't seem able to say it. yesterday on Tavis Smiley the african american commentator/educator/pastor Cornel West said Kerry had to figure out what fired him up ... what he had a vision/passion for.

And, I don't think Kerry would have much problem with Iraq if he just said he was for war until Blix was able to rule out ongoing imminet danger from biologicals and nukes, and after Saddam said he'd do exile, the only reason to invade was nation building, which he isn't opposed to but that he believed at the time and still does is impossible to succeed when you're in a muslim nation with a judeo/christian army and precious few allies. So far the guy makes Gore look focused, on message and clear speaking.

the only thing that really gives me hope is that JR seems to have banished the neocons (Reagan is the only goper president who ignored BOTH cheney and wolfowitz) to the hinterlands and like it or not we will have to raise taxes and cut spending.

[shakenbake]

As I said in another thread. Bush has opened up his military records for the media and others to see. Has John Kerry opened his ? If were gonna go after one we may as well as get a look at both. fair is fair.

[Elevation 5280']

Still no foreign or domestic policy agenda from the left? Just checking, 2 months and counting to put one together. Someone might want to look into that. "Bush is Bad" just ain't gonna cut it in the end. Substantive policy might be required at some point in time.

Hope you're not holding your breath.....'cuz it ain't cummin'. All you will get is......"We're gonna create jobs", "we have a plan to win the peace in Iraq", "We will build a strong coalition against the terrorrists", etc, etc.

The modern Democrat has been conditioned by soundbytes, and that's what they respond to. For years the Democratic party has repeated "We are for the working man, Republicans are for the rich". Well, who really considers themselves rich?
I am not kidding when I say this, but EVERY SINGLE TIME I ask a democrat why they are a dem, the answer is, "because the Democrats are for the working class and the Republicans are for the rich". And when I ask how they come to that conclusion and ask for specifics, they can not give an answer. Simply freaking amazing!
Let's not educate ourselves, let's just vote for who has the best soundbyte...........sheesh!

And then there is the koo-koo internet spammer type of democrat who believes everything they read on ultra-left wing websites. Trust me, there is no way these guys will listen to reason......I used to waste my time with them....now if I respond, it's usually with a one liner, or simple retort.....it's all that they really can understand......:-D

[watermock]

"Young bachelors were kind of sparse. For that reason, I was looking for someone to haul around with." Why speak out now? He said, "After a lot of soul-searching, I just feel it's my duty to stand up and do the right thing."

Your kidding me right? He was looking for someone to haul around with? How amusing. Wouldn't this "man" be looking for women?

"I'm sure I would have seen him," Mr. Mintz said yesterday. "It's a small unit, and you couldn't go in or out without being seen. It was too close a space."

Jesus Christ this is so so ****ing funny.

[Elevation 5280']

Your tireless work -- the futile attempt to change the set political views of football fans on an internet chatboard -- will be laughed about for years to come after the inevitable re-election of Bush. Keep it coming... post after post after post after post... for this guy :thumbsup:

Love that photo....kinda reminds me of this:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Still no foreign or domestic policy agenda from the left? Just checking, 2 months and counting to put one together. Someone might want to look into that. "Bush is Bad" just ain't gonna cut it in the end. Substantive policy might be required at some point in time.

Translation:

"We love dumbya. Dumbya no use big words. Easy to listen dumbya talk while watch re-runs of "The Bachelor."

[freak6]

Significantly, it showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United State beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a time when Bush did not report for duty, according to his pay records.

lmfao LA BRONCO FAN!!!

I was on Franken's show Wednesday, slashing and burning the Resident Evil.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I was on Franken's show Wednesday, slashing and burning the Resident Evil.

:thumbsup:

BTW, I heard Al was beating Rush the Junkie in the ratings in NY. Go AAR!