Newsweek Poll has Dubya ticket up big, detailed poll

[watermock]

Interesting, because only 16% said they watched alot of the RNC.

NEWSWEEK POLL: REPUBLICAN CONVENTION 2004


Bush/Cheney Lead Kerry/Edwards 54 to 43 Percent; in a Three-Way Trial Heat,
Bush/Cheney Receive 13-Point Margin Bounce

Bush Approval Rating Rises to 52 Percent; First Time Above 50 Since January;
Majority (53%) Wants to See Him Re-Elected-Highest Since May 2003

27 Percent of Registered Voters Think Bush/Cheney Campaign Is Behind Swift
Boat Ads

NEW YORK, Sept. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Immediately following the Republican
National Convention in New York, the latest Newsweek Poll shows that, in a
two-way presidential trial heat, the Bush/Cheney ticket would win over a
Kerry/Edwards ticket by 54 percent vs. 43 percent among registered voters. In
a three-way trial heat, including Green Party Candidate Ralph Nader, the
Bush/Cheney ticket would still win 52 percent to 41 percent for Kerry/Edwards
and 3 percent for Nader/Camejo among registered voters. That represents a
13-point margin bounce for Bush/Cheney since an August 5-10 poll conducted by
Princeton Survey Research Associates International for the Pew Research
Center.
And even though more Americans (49%) say they are dissatisfied with the
way things are going in the U.S. at this time (43% are satisfied), President
George W. Bush's approval rating has gone up to 52 percent, a seven-point
increase since the last Newsweek Poll (July 29-30), and the first time it's
topped 50 percent since January. Also 53 percent of registered voters say the
would like to see President Bush re-elected to another term. The last time a
majority of Americans wanted to see the president re-elected was May 2003.
In comparing the two presidential candidates, more registered voters think
President Bush has strong leadership qualities than Kerry (65% vs. 47%), is
more honest and ethical (62% vs. 47%), says what he believes and not just what
people want to hear (66% vs. 42%), would trust him to make the right decisions
during an international crisis (57% vs. 44%), shares their values (54% vs.
42%), and is personally likeable (67% vs. 59%). In addition, more registered
voters think President Bush would do a better job than Sen. Kerry on various
issues: terrorism and homeland security (60% vs. 32%), the situation in Iraq
(55% vs. 37%), foreign policy (54% vs. 38%), taxes (52% vs. 38%), economy (49%
vs. 43%), education (48% vs. 42%), and gay marriage (44% vs. 36%). More
people say Sen. Kerry would do a better job than President Bush on healthcare,
including Medicare (45% vs. 43%) and the environment (50% vs. 36%).
Two months before the election, more registered voters (28%) say terrorism
and homeland security is the most important issue in determining their vote.
Twenty-one percent say it's the economy, 13 percent say healthcare and only 11
percent say the situation in Iraq. On that subject, a majority of registered
voters (55%) think that the U.S. did the right thing in talking military
action in Iraq, though 50 percent say the war has not made Americans safer
from terrorism (45% think it has). And, among registered voters, 44 percent
think Saddam Hussein's regime was not directly involved in 9-11 (42% say it
was).
Despite the four-day convention, a strong 60-percent majority of
registered voters say they saw none of (32%) or very little (28%) coverage of
the RNC on television last week. Only 40 percent say they saw some of it
(24%) or a great deal (16%). And only 36 percent say they now have a more
favorable opinion of the Republican Party, with 27 percent saying they have a
less favorable opinion. Of Independents, 29 percent said they have a more
favorable opinion of the Republicans and 27 percent said less favorable.
Following the Democratic convention in July, 41 percent who said they had a
more favorable opinion of the Democrats. Only 24 percent said they had a less
favorable opinion. And of the 45 percent of registered voters who said they
watched all or part of the President's speech, 37 percent said they had a more
favorable opinion of him, while 18 percent said it was less favorable.
As to the presidential candidates' military service, though 75 percent of
registered voters say what they've seen or heard about Bush's military service
will not have much effect on their vote, and 62 percent say the same about
Kerry's military service in Vietnam, 75 percent of registered voters have seen
or heard about the recent TV Ads sponsored by a veterans' group questioning
Kerry's military record. And 21 percent say those ads are generally accurate.
Thirty-nine percent say they are misleading or distorted. Only 25 percent are
not aware of those ads. Twenty-seven percent of registered voters think the
Bush/Cheney campaign is behind the ads, while 38 percent think they were
produced independently. (However, 26 percent of military households who have
seen or heard about John Kerry's military record say they are less likely to
vote for him).
Looking ahead to the next presidential campaign, a majority of registered
voters (50%) said they would like to see former New York City Mayor Rudy
Giuliani run for president in 2008 (65% of Republicans), followed by Arizona
Sen. John McCain (48%, 47% of Republicans), and Arnold Schwarzenegger (22%,
30% of Republicans), if the Constitution were changed to allow foreign-born
U.S. citizens to run.
This poll is part of the September 13 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands
Monday, September 6). For this Newsweek Poll, Princeton Survey Research
Associates International interviewed 1,008 adults aged 18 and older on Sept.
2-3, 2004. The margin of error is plus or minus four percentage points.

(Read Newsweek's news releases at http://www.Newsweek.com. Click
"Pressroom" at the bottom of the page.)

Newsweek Poll: Post-Republican Convention, Princeton Survey Research
Associates International

Final Topline Results
(9/4/04)

N = 1,008 Registered Voters, 18 and over
Margin of error: plus or minus 4
Interviewing dates: September 2-3, 2004

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Kerry meets SteelTownSavages and is forced to choke down a beer

[Blueflame]

Old news, Mock... the poll's skewed and so are any conclusions derived from it.

Here's a more accurate depiction...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

[watermock]

Ha! Keep using Rassumsen and Zog

Next, LABF is going to tell me Newsweek is run by Neocon Zionists

[WaffleBoy]

I am not surprise why people may be reluctant to vote for a flip flopper during a time of war and terrorism.

The Boy Wonder ;)

[Blueflame]

Ha! Keep using Rassumsen and Zog

Next, LABF is going to tell me Newsweek is run by Neocon Zionists

Keep counting on Newsweek polls that tout results from a pool consisting of 38% Republicans, 30% Democrats and 30% Independents. That is not an accurate depiction of the electorate, btw...

[Kaylore]

Old news, Mock... the poll's skewed and so are any conclusions derived from it.

Here's a more accurate depiction...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

Nice site. I'm bookmarking it. The Bush Bounce analysis was quite interesting as well.

[Blueflame]

Nice site. I'm bookmarking it. The Bush Bounce analysis was quite interesting as well.

:thumbs:

The fact that Newsweek published skewed stats bears mute witness to their bias, however...

[WaffleBoy]

The poll is basically a result of a good campaign by the RNC against a weak Democratic candidate.

The Boy Wonder ;)

[watermock]

If you think Newsweek is biased to the right you have never read the magazine.

That is, unless you read the LA Times or SF Chronicle

Post Bush Speech Poll just came out:

By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 1:35 p.m. ET Sept. 4, 2004Sept. 4 - Coming out of the Republican National Convention in New York, President George W. Bush now holds a 11-point lead over Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry (52 percent to 41 percent) in a three-way race, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. The poll was taken over two nights, both before and after Bush’s acceptance speech. Respondents who were queried only on Friday, after Bush’s speech, gave the Republican a 16-point lead over Kerry.

Yep, Newsweek/MSNBC is really the bastion of the neocons.

Kerry staff changes
With many Democrats outside the Kerry term urging the candidate to take steps to reinvigorate his campaign, Kerry has moved John Sasso, a longtime adviser and Boston operative who once ran the presidential campaign of Michael Dukakis, from the Democratic National Committee to a top spot inside his campaign.

Sasso will be a senior adviser traveling with Kerry through Nov. 2. Replacing him as liaison to the DNC will be Michael Whouley, who helped Kerry win the Iowa caucuses.

The changes put three Boston operatives in charge of his campaign: Cahill, Sasso and Whouley.

Kerry was reunited with his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry at their home in Pittsburgh on Sunday. She was treated in an Iowa hospital late Saturday after complaining of an upset stomach.
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Unbelievable. Do you think this woman is slightly spoiled? She's not spoiled, she's insane.

[watermock]

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

"Do not panic, we have reshuffled the Kerry War Wagon and the former head of the Dukasis campaign to lead us to Washington is, there is no reason to fear..we shall retake Washinton just as our Tank Commander did in 1988..."

[Dr. Broncenstein]

My fellow physicians at our hospital demanded the removal of all Heinz products from the cafeteria.... and we got our way.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My fellow physicians at our hospital demanded the removal of all Heinz products from the cafeteria.... and we got our way.
My friend at the local hospital and his fellow patients demanded the removal of all physicians who spent more time worrying about ketchup in the cafeteria than their patients but as evidenced from above, the removal of ketchup won out.

[Rock Chalk]

:thumbs:

The fact that Newsweek published skewed stats bears mute witness to their bias, however...

Newsweek is bias for Bush now?

:pity:

The same rag that slammed Bush repeatedly for going to war with Iraq is now on his side.

[Rock Chalk]

My friend at the local hospital and his fellow patients demanded the removal of all physicians who spent more time worrying about ketchup in the cafeteria than their patients but as evidenced from above, the removal of ketchup won out.

So what you are saying is that doctors and physicians are only allowed to worry about the care of their patients and nothing else is important for these people?

[watermock]

The reason doctors are for Bush is because they can't afford malpractice insurance. It's also driving up medical costs because they have every test in the book to cover themselves.

[Hogan11]

So what you are saying is that doctors and physicians are only allowed to worry about the care of their patients and nothing else is important for these people?

Exactly....this is petty bullshat.

They're not there to worry about the brand of ketchup is on the table in the cafeteria.....they are being paid to care for their patients.

[Rohirrim]

Oh no. What are they going to put on their Freedom Fries now?

[watermock]

Lamar Hunt Ketchup

Paul Newman Barbeque Sauce?

[Rock Chalk]

Exactly....this is petty bullshat.

They're not there to worry about the brand of ketchup is on the table in the cafeteria.....they are being paid to care for their patients.

you dont think Hogan that a Doctor is capable of thinking about both the patient and their political stance?

Its not about ketchup, its a statement in support of their political views.

[Rock Chalk]

My god, you democrats are quick to criticize anything anyone does if you dont like it arent you?

I thought you were the ones that wanted free speech, dont impune on liberties, etc.

[Rock Chalk]

What gets me, is that you dont want anyone to say anything contrary to your views and you will go OUT OF YOUR WAY to find excuses, "facts" (more like skewed versions of a story) to support your innane arguments. From LABF to Blueflame, you are all a bunch of hypocrits.

[Rohirrim]

Sounds to me like the chicken and the egg argument. Which came first, the malpractice lawyer or the incompetent doctor. I like the one they pulled last year: Guy goes into the hospital suffering from diabetes and they decide they have to amputate one of his legs - then they take off the good leg.

[Hogan11]

you dont think Hogan that a Doctor is capable of thinking about both the patient and their political stance?

Its not about ketchup, its a statement in support of their political views.

It's petty bullshat, period.

[watermock]

First came the doctor. The doctor made money. The egg hatched thru evolution, creating the lawyer, with an instinctive smell for blood.

How many lawyers are running around poor countries?

They don't have enough Doctors to sue. No money, no lawyers.

[watermock]

It's petty bullshat, period.

Doesn't matter if it is petty, many statements are petty. The underlying statment isn't.

[Hogan11]

Doesn't matter if it is petty, many statements are petty. The underlying statment isn't.

It's things like this that almost make me wanna see Kerry win this thing.

[TexanBob]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040904/i/r1501336094.jpg

Kerry meets SteelTownSavages and is forced to choke down a beer

..with his LEFT hand, too! No wonder he throws baseballs like a girl. ROFLMAO!

[watermock]

I'm left handed and was a small time, (very small time) pitcher before I tore my arm up.

Just because your left handed doesn't mean you can't throw. In fact, lefties can pinch hit, and many can write with both hands. I golf right, kick right, played the drums right.

There is a disproportionate amount of lefties that have been Presidents.

Damn I hate spelling.

[watermock]

It's things like this that almost make me wanna see Kerry win this thing.

It's things like trial lawyers running for VP that have doctors scared.

[Blueflame]

What gets me, is that you dont want anyone to say anything contrary to your views and you will go OUT OF YOUR WAY to find excuses, "facts" (more like skewed versions of a story) to support your innane arguments. From LABF to Blueflame, you are all a bunch of hypocrits.

Thank you very much for the judgemental namecalling, Alec.

[watermock]

The fact of the matter is they will be standing on their hands about 2pm tommorow when the bounce will be 13 when there was only 7 undecided.

[Blueflame]

The fact of the matter is they will be standing on their hands about 2pm tommorow when the bounce will be 13 when there was only 7 undecided.

Right... and to make the numbers say that, they'll sample 50% Republicans; 30% Democrats and 20% "Independents", right? rofl

Yeah I'll believe that "poll"...


NOT!!!

[watermock]

It doesn't matter what you believe.

What was funny is how you were dismissing MSN/Newsweek.

Let's see what Gallup says tommorow shall we?

[watermock]

Do you really want to know what happened?

Kerry's insane Billionaire Portugese trophy wife came off like a valium candidate.

The whole swing is thru the ovary vote.

You don't have to believe me. Listen to me. The biggest undecided vote was white females. This is a vote that there wasn't much to snatch but the undecided female (nurture vote).

Kerry's cash cow came off like an Insane Wench, and Laura came off as a loving mother of two slightly promiscuous kids, imagine that. Kerry had nothing to show for his dried up money bag.

You honestly don't get it. Clinton is on his deathbed telling Kerry how to run his campaign.

And you people laughed at me when I told you he had a heart attack from a broken heart.

This is so damn amusing. The guy is calling Kerry from his Hospital Bed and you think I was kidding.

Any questions?

[Blueflame]

Newsweek is bias for Bush now?

:pity:

The same rag that slammed Bush repeatedly for going to war with Iraq is now on his side.

OK, let's presume a liberal bias for Newsweek... wouldn't one assume in that case that an immediate post-RNC poll would include like 50% Democrats... in order to suggest that Bush gleaned a negative "bounce"?

Duh...they didn't do that. And the bias is obvious.

[watermock]

I saw and read the entire poll. I never saw a stat about what affiliation they had.

And you never provided one. I am sure you won't be happy with Gallup tommorow either.

I hope Kerry enjoys the leadership of the Dukakis command while Bubba is indesposed.

[watermock]

Blue, If you want to post a like about the voter base on random calling, be my guest, you never did.

You know the Gallup is going to show a 12 point bump tommorow.

[watermock]

Here is what Michael Moore did for you.

He managed to alienate everone. Do you think they let him in for no reason?

That's the problem with Democrats. They don't realize everything is done for a political reason.

Go be hysterical. Maybe we let the Manatee in to take a good look at the Slob. Ever consider that?

Of course not.

The Manatee was put on display and didn't even know it.

[Spider]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040904/i/r1501336094.jpg



..with his LEFT hand, too! No wonder he throws baseballs like a girl. ROFLMAO!
LOL , man you are an Idiot ........ I am a Lefty also ,I am getting old but I dont think you could hit my fast ball .........

[Exile_In_SJ]

I like looking at the real clear politics poll tracking, they average the polls and don't rely on a single polling source.

What is interesting was the assummption that because the Democrats got no bounce from their convention, that thhe Republicans wouldn't get any from theirs. I think the people in the RNC were far more effective than those of the DNC. Plus, the more people see of Kerry the less they like. Remember this election isn't Bush vs Kerry, it's Bush vs Anyone but Bush. Kerry is an extremely weak candidate and if the counntry is unfortunate enough to elect Kerry, he willl be an extremely poor president somewhere along the lines of Americas worst president, Jimmy Carter.

[watermock]

I had to sign with my right hand to be a repug.

[Spider]

I like looking at the real clear politics poll tracking, they average the polls and don't rely on a single polling source.

and yet when Kerry was in the Lead, you agreed with me Polls mean nothing .......... you sure can Flip flop ............

[Spider]

I had to sign with my right hand to be a repug.
Well Iam Ambidextrous to a point , I can do alot of things either handed except throwing and writting ......

[watermock]

Islamic Militants are killing inocent people left and right and your wondering if I am left handed?

I have eyes in the back of my head.

[watermock]

Don't put me on a truck.

I will shoot first.

[Spider]

Islamic Militants are killing inocent people left and right and your wondering if I am left handed?

I have eyes in the back of my head.
Ha! did you suffer head tramua as a child ?

[watermock]

No.

It's just a matter of watching your back.

cowards shoot you in your back.

These are evil people.

You go play the piano.

I will grow eyes in the back of my head.

[Spider]

No.

It's just a matter of watching your back.

cowards shoot you in your back.

These are evil people.

You go play the piano.

I will grow eyes in the back of my head.
Even brave People will shoot you in the back , I think you have a romance with the high noon folklore of yesteryear .......But then to live in fear isnt much of a life is it .......

[watermock]

No I think Kerry shot someone in the back and he was a coward.

You shoot them twice in the legs and wait to see it the turn.

What is the point here?

[Spider]

No I think Kerry shot someone in the back and he was a coward.
Ha! silly man , god didnt create all men equal , Smith and wesson did ....
Only you Mock would call a Vet a coward, while you are sitting nice and safe ...But then Mock we Both know I dont think you are ever sober much .......

[Spider]

No I think Kerry shot someone in the back and he was a coward.

You shoot them twice in the legs and wait to see it the turn.

What is the point here?
Queensbury Rules while in War ......Mock says so .........
;D Face it Mock you dont have a problem with what Happened , you have a problem with Kerry being a democrat , you just use the Shooting as an excuse ........Some where in the Whiskey soaked brain of youres , you havent made any connections yet ...... Fact Kerry was there - Fact Bush wasnt end of story

[TexanBob]

I'm left handed and was a small time, (very small time) pitcher before I tore my arm up.

Just because your left handed doesn't mean you can't throw. In fact, lefties can pinch hit, and many can write with both hands. I golf right, kick right, played the drums right.

There is a disproportionate amount of lefties that have been Presidents.

Damn I hate spelling.

My father and grandmother were lefthanders, as is my sister. No offense to them.

I was just joking that the most liberal man in the U.S. Senate also drinks from the left (or maybe that's from another old war wound). And if he's dominant left-handed maybe that explains his weak-assed right-handed throw to the plate at Fenway Park before the DNC convention.

[TexanBob]

OK, let's presume a liberal bias for Newsweek... wouldn't one assume in that case that an immediate post-RNC poll would include like 50% Democrats... in order to suggest that Bush gleaned a negative "bounce"?

Duh...they didn't do that. And the bias is obvious.

You're not thinking, Blue.

Newsweek, Time and the rest want to give Bush a huge convention bounce because, then, when they go back to their old sampling, they can write story after story of Kerry gaining momentum and Bush's lead slipping, etc., which knuckle-draggers like LABF will come here to post as proof that Kerry will ultimately prevail, particularly after the latest rounds of leftist smear books and documentaries hit that only knuckle-draggers like LABF believe are true, all given free ink by folks like Time and Newsweek.

You see, more than anything else, the media wants a close election even if they have to manufacture one. It sells newspapers, magazines and tv ads. That's the business they are in, not telling the truth.

The only polls that will be anywhere close to accurate will be the ones just before Election Day because then the polllsters have their credibilities on the line. Until then, it's just number manipulation and media masturbation.

[Maximus]

Polls... Schmolls... Who gives a damn. You can make a poll say whatever you want it to say.

[Blueflame]

You're not thinking, Blue.

Newsweek, Time and the rest want to give Bush a huge convention bounce because, then, when they go back to their old sampling, they can write story after story of Kerry gaining momentum and Bush's lead slipping, etc., which knuckle-draggers like LABF will come here to post as proof that Kerry will ultimately prevail, particularly after the latest rounds of leftist smear books and documentaries hit that only knuckle-draggers like LABF believe are true, all given free ink by folks like Time and Newsweek.

You see, more than anything else, the media wants a close election even if they have to manufacture one. It sells newspapers, magazines and tv ads. That's the business they are in, not telling the truth.

The only polls that will be anywhere close to accurate will be the ones just before Election Day because then the polllsters have their credibilities on the line. Until then, it's just number manipulation and media masturbation.

Thanks, Tex... I couldn't have said it better.

The point was, that poll... with its skewed numbers... had a distinct, easily-discernible agenda.

[watermock]

I didn't start the polling fiasco.

It IS relevant however for two reasons. Kerry didn't get a bounce, Bush DID.

There is only 10% undecided tops. A 13% bounce is astronomical.

[Blueflame]

I didn't start the polling fiasco.

It IS relevant however for two reasons. Kerry didn't get a bounce, Bush DID.

There is only 10% undecided tops. A 13% bounce is astronomical.

Correction: Newsweek skewed the numbers to make it appear that Bush got a bounce. Reality is reflected in today's Rassmussen polls which show Bush at 48 and Kerry at 47.

[watermock]

Rassumsen has a small sampling.

Maybe you should look at todays Gallup poll.

[patteeu]

My friend at the local hospital and his fellow patients demanded the removal of all physicians who spent more time worrying about ketchup in the cafeteria than their patients but as evidenced from above, the removal of ketchup won out.

I guess your friend can get some kind of new-age, alternative-medicine shaman to treat him if he doesn't like the attention he's getting at the hospital.

[patteeu]

First came the doctor. The doctor made money. The egg hatched thru evolution, creating the lawyer, with an instinctive smell for blood.

How many lawyers are running around poor countries?

They don't have enough Doctors to sue. No money, no lawyers.

Excellent analysis. It's hard to argue with that.

But I'll read on as I'm sure there are plenty of people around here who would be willing to argue that water runs uphill if they read it on www.wayleft.com.

[patteeu]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040904/i/r1501336094.jpg



..with his LEFT hand, too! No wonder he throws baseballs like a girl. ROFLMAO!

I'm told that he just saw the photographer in the nick of time to slam his pinkie down on the bottle before the flash went off.

[Rohirrim]

Polls, schmolls. Call me in October.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Right... and to make the numbers say that, they'll sample 50% Republicans; 30% Democrats and 20% "Independents", right? rofl

Yeah I'll believe that "poll"...


NOT!!!

Bingo.

CNN's Schneider: Only 2% bounce from convention

Lowest in recent history. Bush is at 52% according to Gallup.

Monday September 06, 2004--The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 48% of the vote and Senator John Kerry with 47%. The Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern.

http://www.bartcop.com/same_ring.jpg

Quotes

"If ever there were high crimes and misdemeanors, the lies about the war in Iraq fit that category. We are an odd people. We impeach a president because he lied about his private sex life, which killed no one and harmed no one beyond his family. Yet we support and may well re-elect a ''strong''
president whose lies are responsible for so many flag-draped caskets, so many poignant obituaries, and so much grief. How many women are sobbing in church these days because of Bush's lies?"

--Andrew Greeley

http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel27.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

knuckle-draggers like LABF will come here to post...

Bubba is calling me a republican?

WTF?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Time and Newsweek polls turn out to be bullsh*t

I think those of us who have expressed skepticism about the results of the Time and Newsweek polls can consider ourselves vindicated. The new Gallup poll, conducted entirely after the GOP convention and therefore the first poll that truly measures Bush's bounce, shows Bush with a very modest bounce indeed: 2 points, whether you look at RVs or LVs. His support among RVs has risen from 47 percent before to 49 percent after the convention, so that he now leads Kerry by a single point (49-48) rather than trailing by a point.

Note also that Bush's 2 point bounce (which, remember, is defined as change in a candidate's level of support, not in margin) is the worst ever received by a Republican after his convention. In 2000, Bush received an 8 point bounce. And even his hapless father received a 5 point bounce in 1992.

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising

http://www.bartcop.com/faux_promo901.jpg

[watermock]

Look dimwit. You have constantly been denying the Bush Bump.

It was verified right where I said it would be, at 9 percent giving a 7 point lead.

If you want to post cartoons again thats your right, the filth is coming out full bore at this point.

This is something you don't understand. The venom was strategically placed into the campaign. The electorate is so jaded at this point they are going to turn their noses in the most outrageous campaign of the century.

I am warning you. Wait till the Elder Bush Speaks late in the election.

[watermock]

Your going to see a high level of terrorist activity in Iraq before the election to try to influence the vote.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Put trial lawyers in power and hasten the destruction of the best healthcare system in the world. Malpractice attourneys are putting all doctors out of business.. not just the "incompetent." I personally know SEVEN excellent physicians who have walked away from their practice because they either could not afford malpractice insurance, or it was no longer available to them. Two went to work for the VA, which is the model of socialized medicine we are all heading towards. The other five have simply retired. They all practiced in rural, underserved areas to begin with.

There will always be a need for surgeons, so I'm not worried about being out of work. I'll simply work for the government when the time comes, and I'll have my hands tied by the system. "You need a CT of your chest? Get in line -- it starts six months ago. You need a wedge resection of that suspicious lung lesion? The government doesn't think so."

[Dr. Broncenstein]

In the meantime... we put Del Monte ketchup on our veggie burgers, hold the freedom fries. We watch foxnews while we eat lunch and discuss our patients with our colleges....

[watermock]

Reality isn't relevant.

It's the damn system dammit, sue them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

In the meantime... we put Del Monte ketchup on our veggie burgers, hold the freedom fries. We watch foxnews while we eat lunch and discuss our patients with our colleges....
Since you make your political bias obvious, do you and your colleagues discuss your patients political views and your treatment based on those views?
I'll, hopefully, never will need medical treatment in OK!!!

[watermock]

Bottom line is 70 posts ago.

read it and weep.

After listening to LABF and continuing crap for the past 6 months, it's amusing.

Now he is some screaming baby in the background which I had allready discounted.

He will squeel for awhile about how Zog is legitimate untill the cows come home.

[watermock]

Now a political opinion or lean is a "Bias".

Let me ask you this. When did leaning toward a candidate indicate "Bias" per se?

The rest of the comment is total insanity.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Now a political opinion or lean is a "Bias".

Let me ask you this. When did leaning toward a candidate indicate "Bias" per se?

The rest of the comment is total insanity.
Does that word have bad connotations for you or something? Bias = an inclination of temperament or outlook.

[patteeu]

Since you make your political bias obvious, do you and your colleagues discuss your patients political views and your treatment based on those views?
I'll, hopefully, never will need medical treatment in OK!!!


::)

Do you spit on a customer's fries if he looks like a Republican?

What an annoying/insulting question.

[Rohirrim]

Better lay off the Freedom Fries. Look what they did to Bubba?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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Do you spit on a customer's fries if he looks like a Republican?

What an annoying/insulting question.
I don't doubt that happens in todays world.
The question is valid in light of the doctors post of him and his colleagues effort to rid the hospital of ketchup.

[Rohirrim]

I don't think this country has had this much political fun since the Civil War.

I especially like that "Punch a Vet for Jesus" campaign slogan.

[patteeu]

I don't doubt that happens in todays world.
The question is valid in light of the doctors post of him and his colleagues effort to rid the hospital of ketchup.

I don't think it's valid at all. A doctor takes an oath to care for his patients. Do they take a similar oath to eat what the hospital puts in front of them without complaint? Of course not.

This isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and elephants.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't think it's valid at all. A doctor takes an oath to care for his patients. Do they take a similar oath to eat what the hospital puts in front of them without complaint? Of course not.

This isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and elephants.
Every profession has it's share of bad "apples", including physicians.
I've dealt with two of them over the years.

The president took an oath also, so what's the point there?

[RaiderH8r]

So people can turn out in droves, f*c*ing my daily commute ROYALLY, and that's within their rights, but some Dr.'s decide to use a different ketchup as their form of poltical protest and somehow you have a problem with that? Weren't you b!tching about loyalty oaths earlier? Hi pot, I'm kettle..have we met?

[watermock]

I have had the honor of meeting many doctors.

Almost all are of the highest degree of ethics.

Even Vets seem to have a better degree of humanity than lawyers.

They have to ba a little calloused because people die. They can't carry it.

My family had a good doctor. Dr. Montgomery. I still have his watch he gave me. He was a full bird Colonel in Korea, head of Hospitals in Japan/Airlift.

He was a really kind man, I took the opportunity to cut a tree down for firewood for him out of an old elm tree...not because I had to, but because I wanted to, and he was too old to handle a chain saw.

If anyone ever saw Gunsmoke and the Doc, that was Dr. Montgomery. I miss him almost as much as my Father. He was a DOCTOR. He was FAMILY, and he would just assume come over for pie as an excuse to look at your constipated cat.

That is what happens when you piece together kids in WW2 and Korea.

You sew them back up or shoot them up with a ton of antibiotic.

I never knew that Doc was head of surgury for all of Japan in the Korean War. He never mentioned it to me. I only found out at his funeral. I always had some weird respect for him tho, even in his 80's. He was super cool and I knew it. He was kind, gruff, kinda senile but he was Doc to the end. Eventually he had a stroke and faded away. Man he was a sharp tho. He really loved my father. And he was a good Christian.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Since you make your political bias obvious, do you and your colleagues discuss your patients political views and your treatment based on those views?
I'll, hopefully, never will need medical treatment in OK!!!

Well, since you ask.... I treat all of my patients as though I were treating my parents. Thats my rule of thumb. I take pride in my work, and I am damn good at it. I operate on as many trolls and prisoners as I do productive citizens. I rarely see anyone in the ER who isnt an entitled dirtbag. They all get the same care.. full-court-press, without hesitation.

The vast majority of physicians are republicans, and vocally pollitical outside of direct patient care. I hope you don't need medical care either, but I would treat someone of your ilk just like my father.

[Rohirrim]

Well, since you ask.... I treat all of my patients as though I were treating my parents. Thats my rule of thumb. I take pride in my work, and I am damn good at it. I operate on as many trolls and prisoners as I do productive citizens. I rarely see anyone in the ER who isnt an entitled dirtbag. They all get the same care.. full-court-press, without hesitation.

The vast majority of physicians are republicans, and vocally pollitical outside of direct patient care. I hope you don't need medical care either, but I would treat someone of your ilk just like my father.

And here's a real shock for you: Most lawyers I know are the same way. They are committed to defending their clients, upholding the law, serving the Constitution, and living by the highest ethical standards. Just as the doctor who cuts off the wrong limb soils the rep of all doctors, so does the ambulance chaser soil the rep of all lawyers.

Lawyers are like doctors in another respect: Nobody really likes them - until they really need them.

[patteeu]

Every profession has it's share of bad "apples", including physicians.
I've dealt with two of them over the years.

The president took an oath also, so what's the point there?

Other than the fact that you used the words "apples" and "oath" in your response, I don't see how this is related to my post that you quoted.

[Mile High Shack]

And here's a real shock for you: Most lawyers I know are the same way. They are committed to defending their clients, upholding the law, serving the Constitution, and living by the highest ethical standards. Just as the doctor who cuts off the wrong limb soils the rep of all doctors, so does the ambulance chaser soil the rep of all lawyers.

Lawyers are like doctors in another respect: Nobody really likes them - until they really need them.


and b/c you can get sued for sneezing in the wrong direction now...your right, people "need" lawyers more than ever in this over-ligtious society.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I don't see any ads on daytime TV and on billboards for crappy doctors...

[Mile High Shack]

I don't see any ads on daytime TV and on billboards for crappy doctors...

B.S.
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Hello Everybody.....

hehe

[Rohirrim]

I don't see any ads on daytime TV and on billboards for crappy doctors...

Aren't plastic surgeons doctors?

[Mile High Shack]

Aren't plastic surgeons doctors?

you need fake tits?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, since you ask.... I treat all of my patients as though I were treating my parents. Thats my rule of thumb. I take pride in my work, and I am damn good at it. I operate on as many trolls and prisoners as I do productive citizens. I rarely see anyone in the ER who isnt an entitled dirtbag. They all get the same care.. full-court-press, without hesitation.

The vast majority of physicians are republicans, and vocally pollitical outside of direct patient care. I hope you don't need medical care either, but I would treat someone of your ilk just like my father.
That's commendable that your work sees no bias or prejudice!
What is someone of my "ilk" by the way?

[Rohirrim]

you need fake tits?

No, but good news for you, Shack - They're getting closer to actually being able to transplant a brain. rofl

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Here we go with the plastic surgeon thing....

Anyone who wants to put down a plastic surgeon, take a look at what one has to do to become a plastic surgeon. Compete against pre-meds over 4 years for med school admission. Compete against med students over 4 years for a surgical residency. Compete against surgical residents over 5 years for a plastics fellowship. Then do a 3 year plastics fellowship. Most plastic surgery procedures are reconstructive, not cosmetic. And EVERY plastic surgeon I have ever had the privelage to operate with has been a STUD.

And no... you don't see cosmetic surgery ads aimed at daytime TV watchers.. they don't work... thats why you see the "we'll get you the money you desevere" guys on Springer's commercial breaks.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

That's commendable that your work sees no bias or prejudice!
What is someone of my "ilk" by the way?

Someone with no medical knowlege who tries to imply that I'm a bad doctor because of my political views.

[watermock]

My neice is on Medical scholarship so far. She made it thru first year at Iowa. Go Hawks.

If she stumbles, we can pick her up. Mock has a flock of young women off of my prolific brother.

[patteeu]

That's commendable that your work sees no bias or prejudice!
What is someone of my "ilk" by the way?

People who see an important political issue in the ketchup preferences of doctors.

[watermock]

Kathrine will keep up I have faith in her. She has to keep a 3.5 to keep her scholarship.

She is so cute that I think a 2.5 will keep her in.

she's going to do my bypass.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Someone with no medical knowlege who tries to imply that I'm a bad doctor because of my political views.
You're right, I have very little medical knowledge and stating that I hoped I wouldn't ever need medical assistance in OK was a shot but from my experiences with medical doctors the questions were valid.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

People who see an important political issue in the ketchup preferences of doctors.
I didn't realize I directed that question at you, feel free though.

I forgot to add, are you a Chiefs fan?

[Mile High Shack]

You're right, I have very little medical knowledge and stating that I hoped I wouldn't ever need medical assistance in OK was a shot but from my experiences with medical doctors the questions were valid.

actually, b/c people in Oklahoma are fat and smoke a lot, there are some really really good doctors in Oklahoma.

That's one good thing I can say about this state.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

actually, b/c people in Oklahoma are fat and smoke a lot, there are some really really good doctors in Oklahoma.

That's one good thing I can say about this state.

The pathology that exists secondary to smoking and obesity accounts for 80% of my business.... speaking of which, I have a thoracotomy for a lung cancer in 30 minutes.... smokem if you gottem j/k

[patteeu]

I didn't realize I directed that question at you, feel free though.

I forgot to add, are you a Chiefs fan?

I didn't realize it was a PM.

Yes, I'm a Chiefs fan, are you a terrorist? This is fun, can we make it our own personal eHandshake?

[patteeu]

The pathology that exists secondary to smoking and obesity accounts for 80% of my business.... speaking of which, I have a thoracotomy for a lung cancer in 30 minutes.... smokem if you gottem j/k

ROFL!

[watermock]

Torching up a Kool.

I will call you when I need you doc.

Actually I have been trying to quit.

I have bought the flashlight masterbation tool, viagra, I have bought several whores, I even tortured my cat.

I have that dumb gum.

All I do with that is get super high and put 3 pieces in my mouth.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

watch out mock... too much gum at one setting and you'll be unable to piss without intervention