Taco John Flip Flop - This election is not quite over...

[Taco John]

The best response Kerry had tonight was to attack Cheney's deferments. It seems he's riding on hope that some liberal 527 comes up with something slanderous about Bush's military past... Which isn't good enough. America is sick of the topic of who did what in Vietnam. If Kerry's best response to the attacks against him is to attack those who are attacking him without making any case for himself he's finished... And at this point, I think it's moot. Whatever he does now is too little too late, IMO. He needed to do what he could between the Democratic convention and the Republican convention to create a gap and attack Bush to bring his approval ratings down and make whatever bounce comes out of the convention a minimal bounce. Instead, he completely ignored what was going on in the news and ineffectively battled the allegations of his service past.

But despite my disappointment in Kerry as a candidate, he does have one last hope... And that's to stir up as much doubt about the Bush Administration's role in 9-11 between now and the election day as he possibly can, whether it's true or not (much like the Swift Boat Veterans... It won't matter if it's all true, what matters is how much doubt he can create).

And to that end, five time emmy award winner Peter Lance is releasing a book on Tuesday that is bound to create waves. Lance is a staunch bi-partisain who ruthlessly went after Clinton. His book is called Cover Up : What the Government Is Still Hiding About the War on Terror (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060543558/ref=bxgy_cc_img_b/102-2470961-5528951?v=glance&s=books&n=507846).


Ever since 9/11, investigative reporter Peter Lance has been leading the fight to expose the intelligence gaps that led to 9/11. Now, in the follow-up to his bestselling 1000 Years for Revenge, he returns with devastating new evidence that the government has been covering up its own counterterror failures since the mid-1990s -- and continues today.

...

And, in a heart-stopping, minute-by-minute chronicle of the attacks, he asks dozens of unanswered questions about the defense failures of that day -- from why fighter jets weren't scrambled for almost an hour after the hijackings, to why the president and several of his top military advisers remained virtually incommunicado for more than half an hour after it was clear that America was under attack.

This is where the election is going to go from here. It's Kerry's last best shot.

At the same time that Lance's book is released, a new book is being released that offers an "independant" look at the terror timeline. The Terror Timeline : Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute: A Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11--and America's Response (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060783389/qid=1094188213/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-2470961-5528951?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Kerry's only shot at winning this election is to take full advantage of these releases and start demanding an accounting from Bush on whatever questions these books leave open... His only shot is to dig and dig and dig as much at whatever wound this opens up in the Bush Admin, and create as much doubt as possible in the minds of the American people...

It's a tall order that could backfire in his face... But it's his only hope.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If Kerry wants to go on the offensive and to point to examples of Bush's incompetence, failures, and outright criminalty, then there is a wealth of material availible to him.

This election is Kerry's to lose.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But it's his only hope.

Kerry could produce truckloads of dirt on Bush the nature of which would be much more damning than any SwiftLiar Vet charade.

And, if the major news media decided to devote weeks worth of 24/7 coverage to discussing and processing such dirt ad infinitum, it could easily swing the election to Kerry.

If you disagree with this premise, then you have to assume that the 24/7 SwiftLiars coverage had no influence on public perception either.

[Taco John]

Why was it 24/7 coverage? Because rather than addressing and attacking the charges himself, he let it play out in the media. Rather than taking the bull buy the horns and controlling the message, he let others do it for him... He let the media interpret it for themselves. And when he did stand up for himself, he did it in such a way that didn't really deflect the issue. What the hell does he have McAuliffe out there saying that he was running CIA into Cambodia for? How stupid.

The news works on a set of unwritten rules that they all follow. It's almost formulaic. Difference + Emotion / Simplicity. That's the big secret for getting news coverage. Make your message different, with an emotional pull, and by all means make certain it's simple. The Swift Veterans nailed all three with their message. Kerry on the other hand seemingly has no clue on how to manage the message and thus, manage the media. The media is FORCED to report on the message.

Kerry has dropped the ball every step of the way. When they called him a flip-flopper for voting against the $87 billion dollar military bill, he should have came out and attacked Bush for not telling the truth about the difference between the first bill and the second bill and demanded that America look at the fiscal responsibility between the two. That's a SLAM DUNK. Difference - the difference between the two bills. Emotion - NOBODY wants to hear that their children will have to pay for our war. Simplicity - It's all about the money, stupid. What happened? Nothing. Kerry let it slide, and Bush brought it up once again in his speech tonight. The message isn't about Bush's fiscal irresponsibility. It's about Kerry not wanting to provide the troops with armor. Kerry failed to control the message.

And that's just one example. I could go on for pages about opportunities that Kerry has missed to manage his message.

You can complain, like the conservatives can complain, about the media. Both sides who complain sound like a bunch of ignoramuses to me, because none of them have clue one. Once someone starts complaining about vast media bias conspiracies, they've told me more about their own knowledge than anything. That's not to say that there aren't individuals who are biased out there reporting. But the media is only as good as the message when it comes to political reporting. If you don't control your message, someone will do it for you. The media will always operate on the principle of difference, emotion and simplicity. Always.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why was it 24/7 coverage? Because rather than addressing and attacking the charges himself, he let it play out in the media. Rather than taking the bull buy the horns and controlling the message...

Kerry rope-a-doped Smirk.

They took their best shots for six months. Kerry is not just still standing, he basically took a month off to rest up and now he is fresh and well-funded. Now it goes from a jog to a sprint, and he will suck the oxygen out of the Bushies' campaign. Their best shots, Vietnam, terror and the Swifties, have all gone down in flames.

Kerry stopped the blow-fest with his midnight speech.

It's a brilliant tactic. Instead of a 2-hour bukkake fest with Bush as the object of desire, we only had a 30 minute fest and then a cut to Kerry. Matthews was wondering why Kerry would schedule the talk at midnight and miss the newspaper cycle for the next day - I think he just wanted to put a damper on the amount of spin that was going to be cycled out afterwards.

Gore lost the debates a week after when the conventional wisdom set in - I think Kerry's move altered how the CW is going to develop. Brilliant. I am so heartened right now. This is a guy who's looking at the chess board. I think Rove's gonna have a run for his money.

[Taco John]

If you disagree with this premise, then you have to assume that the 24/7 SwiftLiars coverage had no influence on public perception either.


Their best shots, Vietnam, terror and the Swifties, have all gone down in flames.




So which is it?

Rassmussen's new poll shows a four point bounce for Bush. That four points is not coming because of the convention. It's because of the Swift Vets attacks.

That last post you made was reminiscent of Melville. You are captain Ahab, and Kerry is your Pequod.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That last post you made was reminiscent of Melville. You are captain Ahab, and Kerry is your Pequod.

CNN Quickvote: Did Bush make his case for a second term in office?

Yes 42% 4066 votes

No 58% 5561 votes

http://www.cnn.com/

Where will Rasmussen's numbers be a week from now?

And if we get to hand-pick polls, I'm sure you'll find some w/ Kerry in the lead.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Once someone starts complaining about vast media bias conspiracies, they've told me more about their own knowledge than anything.

Fox prime time convention coverage

http://mediamatters.org/static/img/rnc-convention-timing.jpg

http://mediamatters.org/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That four points is not coming because of the convention. It's because of the Swift Vets attacks.

The perception that the sleazy attacks on Kerry's wartime record have been successful is fundamentally flawed.

The Bush campaign made a profound miscalculation. In the L.A. Times survey, only 18% of the voters had been convinced that "Kerry misrepresented his war record and does not deserve his war medals" while 58% said Kerry "fought honorably and does deserve" them. Independent voters sided with Kerry 5 to 1. Even men and self-described conservatives - groups that are normally quite pro-Bush - strongly supported Kerry, by 59 to 19 for men and 42 to 29 for conservatives. Other polls, such as the Fox/Opinion Dynamics and Annenberg Center for Public Policy survey found similar attitudes. In the Fox poll, even most veterans held, by 50% to 21% that Kerry deserved his purple hearts.

Moreover, Americans did not buy Bush's transparent attempts to pretend his campaign was not involved with the smear. The Gallup poll showed that more Americans think Bush is responsible for the commercials (50%) then do not (44%) and 56% think he should specifically denounce them while only 32% think he should not. An August 26 Annenberg Center survey found very similar attitudes.

It was this failure to convince the American people of the charges against Kerry that set the stage for the growing backlash against the Bush campaign - the investigative reports and editorial statements in newspapers across the country, the resignations of two Bush officials when their links to the smear campaign were exposed, and then Bush's disingenuous and finally humiliating series of statements and clarifications.

From the Bush campaign's point of view, the magnitude of the swift-boat fiasco becomes clear when it is recognized that a major goal of the August campaign was to put John Kerry on the defensive - to have him stumbling over his words, being pilloried in the press and firing his advisors. Instead (although the issue will now be muted by the theatrics of the Republican convention) it was Bush who was forced onto the defensive by the end of last week while Kerry weathered the attacks with an extraordinarily small decline in the level of his popular support.

Count on it, the Bushies are now very, very nervous. This wasn't the way they had it planned.

[watermock]

Good Lord, LABF has his overnight Poll at 3 O'Clock in the Morning. Then he provides a link:

www.CNN.com

That's really specific there dimwit. I am sure CNN is waking people up in the middle of the night taking a poll. How amusing.

LABF, I suggest you read less of the LA Times.

I am also tired of you quoting .org this and .org that.

And try to put in a live link. Twice today you provided links that went to front pages. I might as well say crap and give the link as www.usatoday.com

I try to look at your links, and they are all front pages or some 527 or wacko comic book.

[Taco John]

That last post you made was reminiscent of Melville. You are captain Ahab, and Kerry is your Pequod.

CNN Quickvote: Did Bush make his case for a second term in office?

Yes 42% 4066 votes

No 58% 5561 votes

http://www.cnn.com/

Where will Rasmussen's numbers be a week from now?

And if we get to hand-pick polls, I'm sure you'll find some w/ Kerry in the lead.



I don't hand pick polls. That's useless. I've been with Rassmussen since the end of June, and stuck with him, while using others as trend indicators.

And an online CNN poll is hardly a good measure of anything worthwhile.

[Taco John]

That four points is not coming because of the convention. It's because of the Swift Vets attacks.

The perception that the sleazy attacks on Kerry's wartime record have been successful is fundamentally flawed.

The Bush campaign made a profound miscalculation. In the L.A. Times survey, only 18% of the voters had been convinced that "Kerry misrepresented his war record and does not deserve his war medals" while 58% said Kerry "fought honorably and does deserve" them. Independent voters sided with Kerry 5 to 1. Even men and self-described conservatives - groups that are normally quite pro-Bush - strongly supported Kerry, by 59 to 19 for men and 42 to 29 for conservatives. Other polls, such as the Fox/Opinion Dynamics and Annenberg Center for Public Policy survey found similar attitudes. In the Fox poll, even most veterans held, by 50% to 21% that Kerry deserved his purple hearts.

Moreover, Americans did not buy Bush's transparent attempts to pretend his campaign was not involved with the smear. The Gallup poll showed that more Americans think Bush is responsible for the commercials (50%) then do not (44%) and 56% think he should specifically denounce them while only 32% think he should not. An August 26 Annenberg Center survey found very similar attitudes.

It was this failure to convince the American people of the charges against Kerry that set the stage for the growing backlash against the Bush campaign - the investigative reports and editorial statements in newspapers across the country, the resignations of two Bush officials when their links to the smear campaign were exposed, and then Bush's disingenuous and finally humiliating series of statements and clarifications.

From the Bush campaign's point of view, the magnitude of the swift-boat fiasco becomes clear when it is recognized that a major goal of the August campaign was to put John Kerry on the defensive - to have him stumbling over his words, being pilloried in the press and firing his advisors. Instead (although the issue will now be muted by the theatrics of the Republican convention) it was Bush who was forced onto the defensive by the end of last week while Kerry weathered the attacks with an extraordinarily small decline in the level of his popular support.

Count on it, the Bushies are now very, very nervous. This wasn't the way they had it planned.


Link? Where is this coming from? Hard to take very seriously with so many misleading words and phrases in there.

I love how both sides accuse the other of being right where they want them.

[RaiderH8r]

That four points is not coming because of the convention. It's because of the Swift Vets attacks.

The perception that the sleazy attacks on Kerry's wartime record have been successful is fundamentally flawed.

The Bush campaign made a profound miscalculation. In the L.A. Times survey, only 18% of the voters had been convinced that "Kerry misrepresented his war record and does not deserve his war medals" while 58% said Kerry "fought honorably and does deserve" them. Independent voters sided with Kerry 5 to 1. Even men and self-described conservatives - groups that are normally quite pro-Bush - strongly supported Kerry, by 59 to 19 for men and 42 to 29 for conservatives. Other polls, such as the Fox/Opinion Dynamics and Annenberg Center for Public Policy survey found similar attitudes. In the Fox poll, even most veterans held, by 50% to 21% that Kerry deserved his purple hearts.

Moreover, Americans did not buy Bush's transparent attempts to pretend his campaign was not involved with the smear. The Gallup poll showed that more Americans think Bush is responsible for the commercials (50%) then do not (44%) and 56% think he should specifically denounce them while only 32% think he should not. An August 26 Annenberg Center survey found very similar attitudes.

It was this failure to convince the American people of the charges against Kerry that set the stage for the growing backlash against the Bush campaign - the investigative reports and editorial statements in newspapers across the country, the resignations of two Bush officials when their links to the smear campaign were exposed, and then Bush's disingenuous and finally humiliating series of statements and clarifications.

From the Bush campaign's point of view, the magnitude of the swift-boat fiasco becomes clear when it is recognized that a major goal of the August campaign was to put John Kerry on the defensive - to have him stumbling over his words, being pilloried in the press and firing his advisors. Instead (although the issue will now be muted by the theatrics of the Republican convention) it was Bush who was forced onto the defensive by the end of last week while Kerry weathered the attacks with an extraordinarily small decline in the level of his popular support.

Count on it, the Bushies are now very, very nervous. This wasn't the way they had it planned.
Swing and a miss.

But the truth is clearly all you convince yourself it is :griese:

[Taco John]

Seriously, you got a link for all that LABF?

[BroncoInferno]

Kerry has dropped the ball every step of the way. When they called him a flip-flopper for voting against the $87 billion dollar military bill, he should have came out and attacked Bush for not telling the truth about the difference between the first bill and the second bill and demanded that America look at the fiscal responsibility between the two. That's a SLAM DUNK. Difference - the difference between the two bills. Emotion - NOBODY wants to hear that their children will have to pay for our war. Simplicity - It's all about the money, stupid. What happened? Nothing. Kerry let it slide, and Bush brought it up once again in his speech tonight. The message isn't about Bush's fiscal irresponsibility. It's about Kerry not wanting to provide the troops with armor. Kerry failed to control the message.

I couldn't agree with you more on this point, TJ. It's baffling to me why Kerry has allowed this charge to go unanswered. He had a very legitmate reason for changing his vote on the second bill, and pointing it out would not only show the GOPs clear distortion on the matter, but also point out the fiscal irresponsibility of this administration. My only guess is that he's saving this for the debates. This is where I disagree with you. Kerry has a lot of weapons that he can still use between now and the election to swing the thing in his favor. I have no idea what his stategy is, but it would be pretty clever to unlease a clear defense of his record, along with accusations towards Bush and his administation, all during the debates, thus leaving Bush's aids with no chance to craft a retort for him. This would make W have to think on his feet, certainly not his strong suit. If that's Kerry's stategy, it could be very effective. We'll see.

[Rohirrim]

I keep trying to tell you guys this fact: Kerry hasn't even started yet. So many people have pointed this stuff out in the past - people who have run his past campaigns, and people who campaigned against him. Like any good prosecutor, he saves the crux of his case for the closing argument. All that has come so far is mere prelude. October is what counts. October is when the deal gets sealed. Kerry is slowly, piece by piece, creating the main points of his case. When he wraps it up in October, Bushie goes down.

[Mile High Shack]

I keep trying to tell you guys this fact: Kerry hasn't even started yet. So many people have pointed this stuff out in the past - people who have run his past campaigns, and people who campaigned against him. Like any good prosecutor, he saves the crux of his case for the closing argument. All that has come so far is mere prelude. October is what counts. October is when the deal gets sealed. Kerry is slowly, piece by piece, creating the main points of his case. When he wraps it up in October, Bushie goes down.

how does that kool aid taste?

I bet mine is better than yours before you say same thing :)

[patteeu]

The only thing that can save Kerry, IMO, is if gas prices go through the roof. And by that, I mean the new roof. If they go up $.50 a gallon from where they are now, then Bush is in trouble. Otherwise, I like his chances. I don't think banging away at 9/11 conspiracy theories is going to do him much good. It didn't really help Howard Dean much IIRC.

[Rohirrim]

how does that kool aid taste?

I bet mine is better than yours before you say same thing :)

How does that Bushie shoe leather taste? I never waste time arguing with true believers. They don't see contrary evidence - only the rosy pictures their master paints for them.

[OrangeDoofus]

Seriously, you got a link for all that LABF?

I recognize it. It's from a liberal blog called Donkey Rising.

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000619.php

The guy who writes it obviously has a dog in the race, so he's hardly unbiased. But then, none of the analyses that purport to show that the Swiftie attacks are killing Kerry are unbiased, either.

And people really need to give credit for their cut-and-pastes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I recognize it. It's from a liberal blog called Donkey Rising.

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/000619.php

The guy who writes it obviously has a dog in the race, so he's hardly unbiased. But then, none of the analyses that purport to show that the Swiftie attacks are killing Kerry are unbiased, either.

And people really need to give credit for their cut-and-pastes.

That's it.

Sorry--forgot to include the link.

The site may be biased, but the author is merely reporting the numbers that came out of the polls cited.

Can't shoot the messenger.

[Crushaholic]

I'm hoping the convention puts an end to things that don't matter in 2004, like the Swift Boat stuff or the Bush stint in the National Guard. Debate health care, jobs or the war on terror, but stick with things that are relevant for the 21st century.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm hoping the convention puts an end to things that don't matter in 2004, like the Swift Boat stuff or the Bush stint in the National Guard. Debate health care, jobs or the war on terror, but stick with things that are relevant for the 21st century.

That would be a good thing.

[patteeu]

That would be a good thing.

After the pounding Kerry has been taking on his chosen field of battle (i.e. Vietnam), it can't be any worse for him.

[Kaylore]

I'm hoping the convention puts an end to things that don't matter in 2004, like the Swift Boat stuff or the Bush stint in the National Guard. Debate health care, jobs or the war on terror, but stick with things that are relevant for the 21st century.

Amen. I really don't care if Kerry was in Cambodia or not. I want to hear what his policy on Iraq is RIGHT NOW. Same with Bush. We aren't voting for the men from the 60's and 70's. No one was the same fourty years ago.

Some pundits have pointed out that Kerry running on his Vet reccord so agressively is actually flawed. The RNC convention didn't have any keynote speakers that weren't fresh to the political scene or at least currently elected. This was designed to portray the republicans as a party of the future.

Lots of old white guys spoke at the DNC. Many of them who lost elections, too. Not the best thing to get up and say "I'm running! And here's a group of people who lost elections who support me!" The only one that was pretty powerful was Barack Obama: A young well-spoken black senatorial candidate who I'm sure will win in Illinois. Senator Clinton is contemporary and energizing, but many people (myself included) utterly loathe her.

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out...

[JCMElway]

So which is it?

Rassmussen's new poll shows a four point bounce for Bush. That four points is not coming because of the convention. It's because of the Swift Vets attacks.

That last post you made was reminiscent of Melville. You are captain Ahab, and Kerry is your Pequod.

We can't validate the post convention bounce for at least a week. Let's see where those number are on Thursday or Friday.

J

[Cito Pelon]

Kerry's played it pretty cool so far, waiting to see if GWB & Co. would shoot themselves in the foot at the convention. They did, to an extent. No agenda, except stay the course. What course? And sleazify Kerry. That's leadership?

GWB ended his speech by saying he's going to keep "America the greatest nation on earth." Would anybody care if that was not the ending to his speech? It's that type of dumb statements that help me decide the guy's agenda is to paint us into a corner where we have no way out except "us against the world." That's irresponsible leadership.

If I paint myself into a corner, that's one thing. If somebody else paints me into a corner, that pisses me off. Maybe it possibly despite all of history being contrary to it a policy of try to dominate the world without powerful allies will pay off, but the chances are slim.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

After the pounding Kerry has been taking on his chosen field of battle (i.e. Vietnam), it can't be any worse for him.

Looks like somebody hasn't been paying attention.

The only 'pounding' taking place here involves your right hand in your shorts.

The slime merchants you're blowing have been giving Kerry their best shots for weeks now, and the polls still indicate that the majority of Americans aren't buying into the Garbage Scow Vets for Bush bullsh!t.

Here is is again for you: (Try sounding out one syllable at a time.)

The Bush campaign made a profound miscalculation. In the L.A. Times survey, only 18% of the voters had been convinced that "Kerry misrepresented his war record and does not deserve his war medals" while 58% said Kerry "fought honorably and does deserve" them. Independent voters sided with Kerry 5 to 1. Even men and self-described conservatives - groups that are normally quite pro-Bush - strongly supported Kerry, by 59 to 19 for men and 42 to 29 for conservatives. Other polls, such as the Fox/Opinion Dynamics and Annenberg Center for Public Policy survey found similar attitudes. In the Fox poll, even most veterans held, by 50% to 21% that Kerry deserved his purple hearts.

[watermock]

Keep quoting BartCop, the LA Times and Zogby.

Here is what happened Dimwit. The election is so polarized that only 8 percent is considered "undecided" unless something remarkable happens.

So a 10 percent bump in the past month seems totally beyond expectations.

Expect alot of moveon.org ads to get kids to vote from MTV with associated baloney. They know these kids don't even know where Afganistan even is, that doesn't matter, revolt, revolt.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think the Grotesque Old Party convention may have been a good thing for Kerry himself because the sheer f*cking nastiness of it all shook him out of his complacency.

I think he finally understood that he's going to have to kick some butt or these motherf*ckers are going to lie and half-truth their way into another four years.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."

--KKKarl Rove

[watermock]

Link there Dimwit.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Only in an election year ruled by fiction could a sissy who used Daddy's connections to escape Vietnam turn an actual war hero into a girlie-man.

[watermock]

Jules: You read the Bible?


Ringo: Not regularly.

Jules: There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." I been sayin' that **** for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a mother****er before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some **** this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. .45 here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that **** ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin, Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Looks like the alleged "bounce" the frat boy got from Nazi-Con 2004 was short-lived.

Rasmussen shows race in dead heat

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The right-wing pundits on Fox/CNN/MSGOP/NBC/ABC/CBS are ignoring Rasmussen, et al, and focusing on the flawed/suspicious Time and Newsweek polls instead.

They are trying to make the inevitability argument, just as they did in 2000.

[orinjkrush]

oh geez. listening to you blowhard left and right wingers go at each other without listening to each other is really taxing. both possess the truth. The rumours of Kerry's death are GREaTLY exaggerated. He is a fourth quarter kinda guy.

being a retired military officer, in my opinion, kerry's behavior in his military life is disgusting. he faked those medals big time. but the truth of the matter is, many people puff up their military exploits (the key to figuring who really saw action...if they don't talk about it, they probably did. and NEVER want to even remember it.) Bushies record sucks too (compared to his father too). At least Kerry went. He got out as quick as he could and he pissed off ALL of his brothers in arms. (I actually knew somebody like kerry when i was a second lieutenant...all he could think about was how he was going to be elected someday....self serving bastard)
Bush, the yalie f*cker, just went and hid in "plane sight" in the ANG. Then disappeared from that. That's AWOL folks. No question and he cant prove otherwise.

The real issue should be: are we voting for the Demoniacs or the Republicrats...because both are just poster children for the large mass of "gimmie cushie jobs" f*ckheads in both parties. I've worked personally with political appointees of both persuasions, and folks, let me tell you. we would be better off if those F*ckers never worked in government ever ever again. Amateurs and idiots both parties.

So, most people align themselves with either the Crips or the Bloods. And don't listen to each other. And like Mock said only 10% undecided will decide. Get ready for another 49.9 vs 49.899 vote count. Wonder if this one will get bloody though.

If you had any real "b*lls" you'd vote libertarian. and send a message. and no its not wasted. (What if they called a "war" and nobody came?) Ok, i need some oxygen now. I spouted too much.