How Rich are you?

[Nick C.]

I found this interesting site that put's alot in perspective
Even Though I consider myself "Poor" compaired to people outside America and other industrial nations I do fairly well.

If this does not make you question the current state of the world and the downfalls of Capitalisim you better be giving alot back!

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

My Results

You are in the top 12.83% richest people in the world.
There are 5,230,168,175 people poorer than you.
How do you feel about that? A bit richer we hope. Please consider donating just a small amount to help some of the poorest people in the world. Many of their lives could be improved dramatically or even saved if you donate just one hour's salary (approx $8.33)

Oh, and in case you’re interested you are the 769,831

DID YOU
KNOW...?

The world's 225 richest people now have a combined wealth of $1 trillion. That's equal to the combined annual income of the world's 2.5 billion poorest people

[Maximus]

5,946,760,435 are poorer than me... wow!

You are in the top 0.887% richest people in the world.
There are 5,946,760,435 people poorer than you.

[Rascal]

You are in the top 0.893% richest people in the world.
There are 5,946,401,435 people poorer than you.

I allready give 10%+ of my salary to charities so I don't feel guilty.

Good find.

[Mile High Shack]

You are in the top 0.893% richest people in the world.
There are 5,946,401,435 people poorer than you.

I allready give 10%+ of my salary to charities so I don't feel guilty.

Good find.


you shouldn't feel guilty anyway...you have earned your salary, you paid your dues.

no one gave you the job, you earned it.

[enjolras]

Wow, 0.683% are richer than me.

[Rascal]

you shouldn't feel guilty anyway...you have earned your salary, you paid your dues.

no one gave you the job, you earned it.

True.

But I think nick was trying to make us feel guilty for being so "rich" since he's a commie. :redpunch:

[Rascal]

Wow, 0.683% are richer than me.

Dang, how much do you make?

And your a democrat ??? :poke:

[RaiderH8r]

Well, I've still got a lot of people ahead of me. The good news is far more are behind me. "He's going the distance, he's going for speed"

[Rascal]

Cake Baby!!

[enjolras]

And your a democrat

No i'm not:) I'm a libertarian.. I've just lived in the south to long and dealt with to many social issues to vote for anyone who ties themselves strongly to religion. I'd rather pay a bit more in taxes and be able to buy beer on Sundays then the alternative.
:)

[RaiderH8r]

I guess I'm supposed to feel guilty...but I don't. Looks like most of the world needs a better job. HA HA HA. I have to mow my lawn now....no I don't, I'll contract out. Being part of an economic recovery feels good.

I did send money to that Sally Struthers b!tch. But I saw a great expose' on Comedy Central...I think it was South Park. She's taking all the food and she has really put on some weight. I don't know where she found the room, but she has. So that was the end of that.

[Raider Bill]

You are in the top 0.839% richest people in the world.
There are 5,949,632,435 people poorer than you.
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[GSRelyea]

You are in the top 0.612% richest people in the world.
There are 5,963,274,435 people poorer than you.
How do you feel about that? A bit richer we hope. Please consider donating just a small amount to help some of the poorest people in the world. Many of their lives could be improved dramatically or even saved if you donate just one hour's salary (approx $68.05)

Oh, and in case you’re interested you are the 36,725,565 richest person in the world.

That is pretty crazy stuff......

[patteeu]

I guess I'm supposed to feel guilty...but I don't. Looks like most of the world needs a better job. HA HA HA. I have to mow my lawn now....no I don't, I'll contract out. Being part of an economic recovery feels good.

I did send money to that Sally Struthers b!tch. But I saw a great expose' on Comedy Central...I think it was South Park. She's taking all the food and she has really put on some weight. I don't know where she found the room, but she has. So that was the end of that.

That's a better way of "giving back" than government income redistribution programs or handing cash to a homeless guy on the street anyway. ;)

[patteeu]

Don't forget to account for your tax burden when you enter your income, it can make a significant difference.

BTW, speaking of taxes, did you know that if you are a breadwinner for a US family of four, you can have an income in the top 10.73% in the world (with 5,355,653,298 people poorer than you), and still get away with paying NO federal income tax without taking ANY special deductions or credits (e.g. charitable giving, home mortgage, medical expenses, EIT, etc.)?

The poor in the US are rich by world standards. It's time to allow the poor in the US to earn back their self respect by paying their fair share of the tax burden. :P

[RaiderH8r]

That's right....pay up suckas

[Hogan11]

You are in the top 6.65% richest people in the world.
There are 5,600,441,176 people poorer than you.

Ha! and then they ask for a donation, I expected as much.....El Paso.

[watermock]

Many of their lives could be improved dramatically or even saved if you donate just one hour's salary (approx $68.05)

Someone point me the way to that $68.00/hr. "average" job. And people wonder why with the internet eliminating mid-level executives, and manufacturing hourly wages, along with other factors, companies are locating to the far east.

[Nick C.]

Glad you all found this interesting, and to bad you greedy ****s think **** is funny,
all I can say is you can't take it with you :D and one poor person with a .45 like myself can :P

[Mile High Shack]

Glad you all found this interesting, and to bad you greedy ****s think **** is funny,
all I can say is you can't take it with you :D and one poor person with a .45 like myself can :P

Currently on Ignore:Mile High Shack

pussy

[RaiderH8r]

Glad you all found this interesting, and to bad you greedy ****s think **** is funny,
all I can say is you can't take it with you :D and one poor person with a .45 like myself can :P
It's d@mn funny. But don't get moody :moody: , you have to tolerate other opinions and lifestyle choices. To shoot someone because of their lifestyle choice or beliefs would be a hate crime and many know very well what happened to Cartman when he committed a hate crime. You don't want to be smuggling cigarettes into prison using your anus as a storage facility do you? No, of course you don't. So put down the gun and pick up your bongos...it's time for kum-bai-ya. YAY!!!

[Nick C.]

It's d@mn funny. But don't get moody :moody: , you have to tolerate other opinions and lifestyle choices. To shoot someone because of their lifestyle choice or beliefs would be a hate crime and many know very well what happened to Cartman when he committed a hate crime. You don't want to be smuggling cigarettes into prison using your anus as a storage facility do you? No, of course you don't. So put down the gun and pick up your bongos...it's time for kum-bai-ya. YAY!!!
OMG where to start

1) what I said about the gun was more to prove a poin't that the things you put value in I could take away in one second.

2) Hate Crime? welcom to Orwells 1984. most the times you kill someone is it not based on a HATE? what makes my hate for you're lifestyle, sexualty,Race, belifs anyworse then me hateing you for sleeping with my wife for example? dose not surprise me that peopole like you buy into "HATE CRIME" lawz but all that is is what Orwell called "Thought Crimes" there are enough lawz on the books to punish people for killing we don't need to double hit them because there motavation is not PC.

3) "They won't take me alive" I don't have to worry about jail ;)

[kappys]

Someone point me the way to that $68.00/hr. "average" job. And people wonder why with the internet eliminating mid-level executives, and manufacturing hourly wages, along with other factors, companies are locating to the far east.

I suspect they are making their calculations based on a tidy European working week of 35 hours. I can't remember the last time I only worked 35 hours a week. Probably before I got my 6 weeks of paid vacation right? ???

[bendog]

interesting link. I have to think we haven't come very far in 2040 or so years.

[Nick C.]

interesting link. I have to think we haven't come very far in 2040 or so years.
what do you mean by that?

[Pezman]

Currently on Ignore:Mile High Shack

pussy

LMAO :militia: :spit:

[Nick C.]

LMAO :militia: :spit:
exactly why he is on Ignor! lol

[Mile High Shack]

exactly why he is on Ignor! lol

http://www.hookuplures.com/lures-photo2.jpg

GOTCHA

[Nick C.]

I see High Shack has replyed again if he is talking to me I love it!

[RaiderH8r]

OMG where to start

1) what I said about the gun was more to prove a poin't that the things you put value in I could take away in one second.

2) Hate Crime? welcom to Orwells 1984. most the times you kill someone is it not based on a HATE? what makes my hate for you're lifestyle, sexualty,Race, belifs anyworse then me hateing you for sleeping with my wife for example? dose not surprise me that peopole like you buy into "HATE CRIME" lawz but all that is is what Orwell called "Thought Crimes" there are enough lawz on the books to punish people for killing we don't need to double hit them because there motavation is not PC.

3) "They won't take me alive" I don't have to worry about jail ;)
HA.
1) HA
2) Tune your sarcasm detector, it's off a bit.
3) Agreed, see above
4) HA :charge:

[orinjkrush]

There are 5,974,762,435 people poorer than you.

i guess its all relative. i cant afford a new car, a house, my kids college education, a trip to the dentist.

if i lived in eritrea, i could live on an orange a month.

[Sassy]

How many of you know that the average childcare teacher...across the us...towns and cities...is making between 6-8 bucks an hour...how pathetic is that? (With a four year degree...)

[orinjkrush]

How many of you know that the average childcare teacher...across the us...towns and cities...is making between 6-8 bucks an hour...how pathetic is that? (With a four year degree...)

my theory on that Sas is: occupations dealing with taking care of people are historically and globally lower than occupations dealing with the creation of WEALTH like engineering, software, finance and so on.

Why? It's cause people can't own people. (at least on the balance sheet, according to generally acccepted accounting principles.)

[Evenrude]

You are in the top 0.845% richest people in the world.
There are 5,949,273,435 people poorer than you.
Oh, and in case you’re interested you are the 50,726,565 richest person in the world.

Whoo hoo!!!! I'm number 50,726,565.... I'm number 50,726,565......

How about this novel idea? I keep that money. I use it to feed my kids. Pay my own medical bills. Provide myself with transportation so I can remain a productive member of society..... once I get to the point where I can do those things and give money away to things like this, I will......

[Nick C.]

How many of you know that the average childcare teacher...across the us...towns and cities...is making between 6-8 bucks an hour...how pathetic is that? (With a four year degree...)
pretty ass backwards I would say!

[Moon§hiner]

pretty ass backwards I would say!

What other kind of logic would we expect from a sophisticated country that hands out tickets for not wearing a seatbelt but puts kids in a bus with none availlable?....figuring out what our real priorities are is like trying to figure out a woman....futile

[enjolras]

There are 5,974,762,435 people poorer than you.

i guess its all relative. i cant afford a new car, a house, my kids college education, a trip to the dentist.

if i lived in eritrea, i could live on an orange a month.

You could live, but you wouldn't have a house or a car. Your kids would get jobs at age 6, rather than ever go to school. You'd live with your entire family in a one room mud hut with a thatched roof. Your life expectancy would be 30 or 40 years shorter and half your family would have aids.

There isn't a day that goes by that I'm not incredibly thankful for what we have. I really think Americans have no perspective on what poor REALLY is. I've been fortunate enough to have travelled a bit and SEEN how a lot of truly poor people live. It sucks.. I don't feel guilty for being rich (relatively), but I have no delusions that my wealth is in stark contrast to about 85% of the people on this planet. Saying 'they're ok, the cost of living is lower' just isn't true.. while you can take American wealth into those countries and literally live like a king, the fact is that those people are incredibly poor. In a hopeless, mired way that we can barely imagine.

I'm not saying we should feel guilty about our wealth, but we have a responsibility to be sympathetic to those who aren't so fortunate to have been born in the west (And that's what it is, we're simply lucky).

[kappys]

How many of you know that the average childcare teacher...across the us...towns and cities...is making between 6-8 bucks an hour...how pathetic is that? (With a four year degree...)

I'd say its time to get a new job with that 4 year degree. Its a sad stuation to be sure, but sometimes you have to play hardball to get a raise. Unionize, strike, whatever it takes.

[patteeu]

How many of you know that the average childcare teacher...across the us...towns and cities...is making between 6-8 bucks an hour...how pathetic is that? (With a four year degree...)

I'm not going to criticize people for the careers they choose.

[Nick C.]

I'd say its time to get a new job with that 4 year degree. Its a sad stuation to be sure, but sometimes you have to play hardball to get a raise. Unionize, strike, whatever it takes.
maybe they put a higher value on helping others then they do on Money?
and get taken advantage of, you really want them all to quit and demand more and make you're tax's go higher?

[Rascal]

Hell, if I was a teacher I sure as hell would strike and demand higher pay. And I would support them and march with them and so would a lot of other people. The fact that they get paid crap is ridiculous considering the amount of time, care, and effort they put into it.

If there is one profession in America that doesn't get the respect it deserves, it's teachers.

[Mile High Shack]

Hell, if I was a teacher I sure as hell would strike and demand higher pay. And I would support them and march with them and so would a lot of other people. The fact that they get paid crap is ridiculous considering the amount of time, care, and effort they put into it.

If there is one profession in America that doesn't get the respect it deserves, it's teachers.


I think she was talking about daycare workers......but I agree about the teachers...

daycare workers know the deal when they go into that field there is not much money in it.

[RaiderH8r]

maybe they put a higher value on helping others then they do on Money?
and get taken advantage of, you really want them all to quit and demand more and make you're tax's go higher?
There is a fundamental contradiction in your statement. If they care more about people than about money, then they really aren't being taken advantage of because they see value in helping people not earning money. So, really, they are the richest in the world. :~ohyah!: :thumbsup:

[RaiderH8r]

Hell, if I was a teacher I sure as hell would strike and demand higher pay. And I would support them and march with them and so would a lot of other people. The fact that they get paid crap is ridiculous considering the amount of time, care, and effort they put into it.

If there is one profession in America that doesn't get the respect it deserves, it's teachers.
Yeah, 3 months off sure is a b!tch. Plus holidays, man how do they survive? HA HA HA.

[Rascal]

Sweet.

They let us go home early.

I'll see/talk to you guys later.

have a safe and enjoyable weekend!!!

[RaiderH8r]

I think she was talking about daycare workers......but I agree about the teachers...

daycare workers know the deal when they go into that field there is not much money in it.
You're right, and teachers don't have a clue. They got into it for the money and had no idea the amounts of money involved. Never mind vacations and tenure. Tenure, show me another job where you're all but guaranteed not to get fired unless you pull a Letourneau. :bs:

[RaiderH8r]

Sweet.

They let us go home early.

I'll see/talk to you guys later.

have a safe and enjoyable weekend!!!
:charge: Good for you Nnyah!

[Rascal]

That's professors at colleges. I'm talking about teachers for highschools, middle schools, and such.

They might get tenure in DC but they didn't in Colorado.

[Nick C.]

Hell, if I was a teacher I sure as hell would strike and demand higher pay. And I would support them and march with them and so would a lot of other people. The fact that they get paid crap is ridiculous considering the amount of time, care, and effort they put into it.

If there is one profession in America that doesn't get the respect it deserves, it's teachers.
maybe you should march for them since they are busy spending more time with you're children then you do.(I am saying in general)
and to say that many people would support them maybe they would vocaly but they would not march with them they did not last year for DPS anyway.

[RaiderH8r]

That's professors at colleges. I'm talking about teachers for highschools, middle schools, and such.

They might get tenure in DC but they didn't in Colorado.
I'd check again. Tenure is one of the biggest reasons people go into teaching. Kind of gives them the leeway to deal with their classroom as they see fit. At any rate, they all still get the 3 months + Holidays off. Let's put them on an hourly rate, at say, $18/hr. Decent enough, hell we'll make it $22/hr. setting 8 hr. max. work days. See how they do then.

[Nick C.]

There is a fundamental contradiction in your statement. If they care more about people than about money, then they really aren't being taken advantage of because they see value in helping people not earning money. So, really, they are the richest in the world. :~ohyah!: :thumbsup:
you are correct they have more welth then most in knowledge and they get the joy to see a mind grow everyday sometimes people like you need to reward people like them for there good deeds.

[RaiderH8r]

you are correct they have more welth then most in knowledge and they get the joy to see a mind grow everyday sometimes people like you need to reward people like them for there good deeds.
A good deed is its own reward.

[Nick C.]

A good deed is its own reward.
Whatever dude,

[kappys]

Then they can strike I suppose. No I'm not thrilled at the prospect of using tax dollars to pay higher wages, but I can certainly think of far lss deserving causes that get plenty of tax payer dollars.

Its a tough life, but you can't have it both ways. The nature of the world is that the boss will squeeze you as much as he can until the workers fight back.

[Nick C.]

Then they can strike I suppose. No I'm not thrilled at the prospect of using tax dollars to pay higher wages, but I can certainly think of far lss deserving causes that get plenty of tax payer dollars.

Its a tough life, but you can't have it both ways. The nature of the world is that the boss will squeeze you as much as he can until the workers fight back.
and people are pussy's!

"Workers of the world Unite" ;)

[RaiderH8r]

Ha! Whatever dude,

[patteeu]

maybe they put a higher value on helping others then they do on Money?
and get taken advantage of, you really want them all to quit and demand more and make you're tax's go higher?

Are teachers (or daycare workers) so stupid that they don't realize they are entering a job that doesn't pay top dollar? I don't buy it.

They aren't being exploited. The reason pay is low for teachers is because the requirements are low, the schedule is very compatible with raising a family, and a lot of people want to do it.

Let them quit, there will be a huge line of people waiting to take their jobs. It's supply and demand. But then, they probably didn't teach things like that at Karl Marx University.

[RaiderH8r]

Are teachers (or daycare workers) so stupid that they don't realize they are entering a job that doesn't pay top dollar? I don't buy it.

They aren't being exploited. The reason pay is low for teachers is because the requirements are low, the schedule is very compatible with raising a family, and a lot of people want to do it.

Let them quit, there will be a huge line of people waiting to take their jobs. It's supply and demand. But then, they probably didn't teach things like that at Karl Marx University.
Insurance and retirement plans are also very competitive. So the extras add up.

[Nick C.]

obviously enough people agree to the terms of the job but if you think Clinton Portis deserves to make 100 times what a teacher makes you in my oppinion are ****ed in the head.

[patteeu]

obviously enough people agree to the terms of the job but if you think <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302215" target="_blank">Clinton Portis</a> deserves to make 100 times what a teacher makes you in my oppinion are ****ed in the head.

Clinton Portis is a girlyman, momma's boy. At least he was until he got traded to the Redskins. :)

Seriously, your paycheck is not a measure of your value as a human being. It is a reflection of market forces in our capitalistic society. Clinton Portis has rare skills that can be marketed to the public to create huge amounts of revenue. It's only fair that he share in that revenue stream. Teachers have common skills that don't generate much revenue. It's really pretty simple.

[Nick C.]

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302215" target="_blank">Clinton Portis</a> is a girlyman, momma's boy. At least he was until he got traded to the Redskins. :)

Seriously, your paycheck is not a measure of your value as a human being. It is a reflection of market forces in our capitalistic society. <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302215" target="_blank">Clinton Portis</a> has rare skills that can be marketed to the public to create huge amounts of revenue. It's only fair that he share in that revenue stream. Teachers have common skills that don't generate much revenue. It's really pretty simple.
not sure what "Portis is a girlyman, momma's boy" has to do with anything.

what my point is that if you value Enertainment 100 times more then Education it is no wonder the population is so ignorant. people need to get away from the distractions Entertainment and news have become. or you can just follow the leader to do the bidding of multi-national corporations.

[patteeu]

not sure what "Portis is a girlyman, momma's boy" has to do with anything.

This is a Bronco's BB. I'm a KC Chiefs fan. My opinion of Portis is impacted by the color of the jersey he wears.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You are in the top 0.54% richest people in the world.
There are 5,967,582,435 people poorer than you.
How do you feel about that?
---------------
I'm OK with it.

[Nick C.]

This is a Bronco's BB. I'm a KC Chiefs fan. My opinion of Portis is impacted by the color of the jersey he wears.

oh I see, wich just proves my point that you let bull**** entertainment influance you're thought process.

[patteeu]

oh I see, wich just proves my point that you let bull**** entertainment influance you're thought process.

Uh, yes I guess I do let entertainment influence my thought process about entertainment. I take it you have no allegiances to any NFL teams or players? And that you have no interest in the outcome of the games? It makes me wonder why you are here.

You should post some kind of smilies when you say stupid stuff so we don't get the idea that you really mean it.

[Nick C.]

Uh, yes I guess I do let entertainment influence my thought process about entertainment. I take it you have no allegiances to any NFL teams or players? And that you have no interest in the outcome of the games? It makes me wonder why you are here.

You should post some kind of smilies when you say stupid stuff so we don't get the idea that you really mean it.

I was raised in the Broncos orginazation it is one of the last bindings of mondern america that I chose not to brake, and the only form of entertainment that I enjoy that has no educational value.
yet I have enough depth that I can seperate myself from it when haveing a conversation on another subject, just because this is a bronco board don't mean that is all the people here like to talk about.

I don't put smilies because I do mean it ;D

Why the **** are you here if you can't even seperate you're self from the Chef's long enough to have a serious conversation? what kind of jack ass wastes his time talking **** to others about some football players?

[Spider]

I wasnt going to take part in this , as some of you here know I own rental Property 14 units ( sold the one in Greeley Colo) You are in the top 0.827% richest people in the world.There are 5,950,350,435 people poorer than you.
How do you feel about that? A bit richer we hope. Please consider donating just a small amount to help some of the poorest people in the world. Many of their lives could be improved dramatically or even saved if you donate just one hour's salary (approx $43.05)

Oh, and in case you’re interested you are the 49,649,565 richest person in the world.

[Nick C.]

I wasnt going to take part in this , as some of you here know I own rental Property 14 units ( sold the one in Greeley Colo) You are in the top 0.827% richest people in the world.There are 5,950,350,435 people poorer than you.
How do you feel about that? A bit richer we hope. Please consider donating just a small amount to help some of the poorest people in the world. Many of their lives could be improved dramatically or even saved if you donate just one hour's salary (approx $43.05)

Oh, and in case you’re interested you are the 49,649,565 richest person in the world.
why where you not going to take part in it?

[Spider]

why where you not going to take part in it?
To me it doesnt matter how much a person makes or doesnt , as long as you love what you do ..... A person will difine themselfs by thier job , it realy doesnt matter how much they make as long as they can pay the Bills , and keep a roof over thier head and that all that Matters ......

[Nick C.]

To me it doesnt matter how much a person makes or doesnt , as long as you love what you do ..... A person will difine themselfs by thier job , it realy doesnt matter how much they make as long as they can pay the Bills , and keep a roof over thier head and that all that Matters ......
I agree with you "You are not you're Bank Account" but at the same time I think most people are not able to provide doing what they "Want" to do, many people get traped in the system I myself was at risk untill I wised up. after seeing many friends spend 4-5 years at CU only to get laid off from job to job in industrys they have no interest in other then the pay check.

My problem is with how the media sells ideas to the people that they need to pay alot for **** produced for pennies by children in other countrys.

[Evenrude]

........what kind of jack ass wastes his time talking **** to others about some football players?

Oh, just about 2,690 of us jackasses that are members of this site.....

[Spider]

I agree with you "You are not you're Bank Account" but at the same time I think most people are not able to provide doing what they "Want" to do, many people get traped in the system I myself was at risk untill I wised up. after seeing many friends spend 4-5 years at CU only to get laid off from job to job in industrys they have no interest in other then the pay check.

My problem is with how the media sells ideas to the people that they need to pay alot for **** produced for pennies by children in other countrys.
Like you I wised up , I went 17 years of Working and no Vacation , Wife would watch me Drop and hook in the Yard and head back out to the east coast without a day off , did that 3 months straight , I saved every Penny I could to buy a future for my Children when they throw a shovel full of dirt on my face , My Kids will have somthing to build on , now as Most here will tell you I am Buy American products ........ I was laughed at for that ..But I believe inthe American Dream and I support my fellow American by buying thier Products , This will sound cold , but I dont give a rats ass if someone in India works or Not , I want my Fellow American to have a job ...... Rant over ... Now yo usee why I didnt want ot get in this ;D
And yes I am a Democrat ........ !Booya!

[Nick C.]

Oh, just about 2,690 of us jackasses that are members of this site.....
I ment talking **** about football players since he is not even a broncos fan.

[Nick C.]

Like you I wised up , I went 17 years of Working and no Vacation , Wife would watch me Drop and hook in the Yard and head back out to the east coast without a day off , did that 3 months straight , I saved every Penny I could to buy a future for my Children when they throw a shovel full of dirt on my face , My Kids will have somthing to build on , now as Most here will tell you I am Buy American products ........ I was laughed at for that ..But I believe inthe American Dream and I support my fellow American by buying thier Products , This will sound cold , but I dont give a rats ass if someone in India works or Not , I want my Fellow American to have a job ...... Rant over ... Now yo usee why I didnt want ot get in this ;D
And yes I am a Democrat ........ !Booya!

I think that is very admrible that you only buy USA I wish I could say the same, but I am more mankind minded then you I feel a kinship to all humans not just those born within the same artificial borders as me("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." :Einstein)
Also if American buissness leaders don't care enough about us to keep the job's here or the politicians that is a huge problem.

What this little web site says to me is "you work job's you hate to buy **** you don't need" people need to take a step back and be willing to make a sacrafice we don't need half the **** we have.

ever think about how Americans used to only need one source of income to raise a family yet now they need two just to scrape by? "We" just keep buying what is sold to us! the laws of supply and demand are now skewed t is not the Supply that drives the demand!

[Spider]

I think that is very admrible that you only buy USA I wish I could say the same, but I am more mankind minded then you I feel a kinship to all humans not just those born within the same artificial borders as me("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." :Einstein) Well I guess I am infantile then , cause I am a Pro American first , and foremost , I wont change now
Also if American buissness leaders don't care enough about us to keep the job's here or the politicians that is a huge problem.
I agree

What this little web site says to me is "you work job's you hate to buy **** you don't need" people need to take a step back and be willing to make a sacrafice we don't need half the **** we have.
Some people work and stash cash , others spend , I wont judge

ever think about how Americans used to only need one source of income to raise a family yet now they need two just to scrape by? "We" just keep buying what is sold to us! the laws of supply and demand are now skewed t is not the Supply that drives the demand!
I dont buy that , not for a second , it all depends upon a persons greed , sooner or later we have to quit blaming others for our spending habits , We have to accept responcibilty for our own actions ....... Come look me up when you want to talk about Medication , I see that as a far worse Problem ........

[Nick C.]

Well I guess I am infantile then , cause I am a Pro American first , and foremost , I wont change now

I agree


Some people work and stash cash , others spend , I wont judge


I dont buy that , not for a second , it all depends upon a persons greed , sooner or later we have to quit blaming others for our spending habits , We have to accept responcibilty for our own actions ....... Come look me up when you want to talk about Medication , I see that as a far worse Problem ........
I don't belittle you for loveing america this is the best place to live in many respects and gives me the right to say what I want and a chance to make it better wich it could be.

About people "Stashing cash" that is part of what I don't get why do people need more money then they can spend in hundreds of life times? how can those people walk by anyone with little(even if they are lazy drunk bums) and not feel guilt?

Not sure I get what you mean about it all depends upon a persons greed?

Here is my crazy ass theroy. During the indsustrial revolution they freed slaves so they could make us all slaves and work hard without us questioning it rather seeing it as a opertunity, then came womens suffrage where they said ok you all can vote and go to work basically doubleing the work force and over time lowering wages as a whole. you are right I guess people do need to take respoceablity but people are ignorant aparantly and jelious by nature so they will bust ass to get the **** J-lo has not needing it.

Don't even get me started on the pharmacutical industry, Media is Enemy #1 and they are #2.

I admit I am a socialist but I belive we can have a Mixed-regim we can have a repersenative socialist government one where the people repersent themselfs better then we do in our current system even, If everyone was prommised free or even afordable healthcare I would have alot less to bitch about.

[Spider]

About people "Stashing cash" that is part of what I don't get why do people need more money then they can spend in hundreds of life times? how can those people walk by anyone with little(even if they are lazy drunk bums) and not feel guilt? Here is what my Uncle used to say ... I worked my ass off to get where Iam , I sacraficed goofing off , Fishing trips , Camping, Going to movies to get my Money , I sure in the hell wont hand it over to a lazy bastard that wont work .......

Not sure I get what you mean about it all depends upon a persons greed?
My Uncle was a Greedy Bastard , he kept thriving and reaching , taking or stealing whatever he could , Me I hit my comfort level ......

Here is my crazy ass theroy. During the indsustrial revolution they freed slaves so they could make us all slaves and work hard without us questioning it rather seeing it as a opertunity, then came womens suffrage where they said ok you all can vote and go to work basically doubleing the work force and over time lowering wages as a whole. you are right I guess people do need to take respoceablity but people are ignorant aparantly and jelious by nature so they will bust ass to get the **** J-lo has not needing it. we all get exploited at one time or another , we have to see that and make a change , we cant rely on others to help us out

Don't even get me started on the pharmacutical industry, Media is Enemy #1 and they are #2.
;D , while I dont have anything against them , I have a problem with Telling someone they cant buy Prescriptions from Canada , I say let Americans Company charge what they want , but let us Shop were we want ....

I admit I am a socialist but I belive we can have a Mixed-regim we can have a repersenative socialist government one where the people repersent themselfs better then we do in our current system even, If everyone was prommised free or even afordable healthcare I would have alot less to bitch about.
Socialism ...... it has ups and downs ( I have recently learned what Socialism pretains to ) I still cant embrace a goverment that hinders a hard working Person or a free Market .......See here is what i think trips alot of People up , I am a Democrat , I believe in safty nets for Americans , I know the system takes abuses , people get on that dont belong , we can police it as best as we can , but I would rather have the Abuse , then see Kids go hungry , or winter time and no coat .Republicans are like my Uncle ....... **** you I got mine go get youres or do society a favor and Kill yourself if you cant support yourself ....... I grew up around Republicans I understand how they think ......

[kappys]

I think it all depends. There are conservatives like me who don't believe in giving free money to people at all. I would do away with a lot of the disability type programs that are hugely abused, etc. In its place I would offer massive assisstance in terms of food, clothing, shelter, and possible health care. I believe that as a society we should make sure the most basic needs of our people are met, but I don't believe in providing free money to people who don't want to work.

[patteeu]

I was raised in the Broncos orginazation it is one of the last bindings of mondern america that I chose not to brake, and the only form of entertainment that I enjoy that has no educational value.
yet I have enough depth that I can seperate myself from it when haveing a conversation on another subject, just because this is a bronco board don't mean that is all the people here like to talk about.

I would think that with all that "educational value" in your life that you'd come across as someone with a modicum of intelligence. Unfortunately, I think it's been wasted. Maybe you should give up on it and become a hedonist. It will be more fun and your posts will be just as insightful.

I don't put smilies because I do mean it ;D

Why the **** are you here if you can't even seperate you're self from the Chef's long enough to have a serious conversation?

If that "educational value" was working on you, you would have noticed that I did separate my lame football smack from my serious comment with the ultra-secret code word "seriously."

what kind of jack ass wastes his time talking **** to others about some football players?

Pretty much everyone around here. Do you know where you are? Maybe you meant to go <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/communist2/messages">here</a> instead.

[Nick C.]

Here is what my Uncle used to say ... I worked my ass off to get where Iam , I sacraficed goofing off , Fishing trips , Camping, Going to movies to get my Money , I sure in the hell wont hand it over to a lazy bastard that wont work .......


My Uncle was a Greedy Bastard , he kept thriving and reaching , taking or stealing whatever he could , Me I hit my comfort level ......

we all get exploited at one time or another , we have to see that and make a change , we cant rely on others to help us out


;D , while I dont have anything against them , I have a problem with Telling someone they cant buy Prescriptions from Canada , I say let Americans Company charge what they want , but let us Shop were we want ....


Socialism ...... it has ups and downs ( I have recently learned what Socialism pretains to ) I still cant embrace a goverment that hinders a hard working Person or a free Market .......See here is what i think trips alot of People up , I am a Democrat , I believe in safty nets for Americans , I know the system takes abuses , people get on that dont belong , we can police it as best as we can , but I would rather have the Abuse , then see Kids go hungry , or winter time and no coat .Republicans are like my Uncle ....... **** you I got mine go get youres or do society a favor and Kill yourself if you cant support yourself ....... I grew up around Republicans I understand how they think ......
I am thankfull for this exchange has opend me up to understanding the general public more.

I think if I saw more "safty net's" for americans I would have less to gripe about yet still am humankind minded.

And about everyone being exploited one time or another I agree it bothers me cause I am one to stand up for myself and prevent that from happening(I have been out of work a few weeks for refuseing to be exploited) and it just hurts knowing if we all stood up it could change but most don't have the streangth or knowledge to do so. in turn I have to suffer more becuse there is alwasy someone waiting to be exploited. I am takeing steps to prevent it in the future and hopefully along the way help others.

Thanks again
Nick

P.S. Please tell me ya grandpa at least left the family with the money? cause as much as I belive in giving I think Family comes first much like you feel America comes first/

[Nick C.]

I think it all depends. There are conservatives like me who don't believe in giving free money to people at all. I would do away with a lot of the disability type programs that are hugely abused, etc. In its place I would offer massive assisstance in terms of food, clothing, shelter, and possible health care. I believe that as a society we should make sure the most basic needs of our people are met, but I don't believe in providing free money to people who don't want to work.
I agree with that people assume because I am Socialist I want a Corvett like the dude next door, no I just want to know everyone's basic needs are taken care of before we start haveing personal excess, if you want the "Better" Things in life you should work for it and have the right to have them.

I know the current paradighm of socisilm would prevent people from having all there "Want's" I don't want to deprive you of that if it makes you happy, just as long as people are not starving and have a place to sleep.

I have not worked it all out yet but maybe one day :P

[Spider]

P.S. Please tell me ya grandpa at least left the family with the money? cause as much as I belive in giving I think Family comes first much like you feel America comes first/
My Grandad Gave me a 1,000 when I turned 18 , and told me I would enjoy earning more then recieving , I didnt bother telling the old Coot I had been working since I was 12 during the Summer on farms ..... But I am being a tad bit unfair , I was a Rebel I didnt want thier Money , I dodnt want to conform to thier ways , I was me , Lover , Fighter , Wild Bull Rider , Trucker , like my Father .........

[Sassy]

Are teachers (or daycare workers) so stupid that they don't realize they are entering a job that doesn't pay top dollar? I don't buy it.

They aren't being exploited. The reason pay is low for teachers is because the requirements are low, the schedule is very compatible with raising a family, and a lot of people want to do it.

Let them quit, there will be a huge line of people waiting to take their jobs. It's supply and demand. But then, they probably didn't teach things like that at Karl Marx University.
Stupid...gee thanks. YES< I Do realize that I wasn't going to be paid great..but the thing is, unless you check it out and check it out well, you just don't reallize how low. Do you realize children spend on the average 50 weeks in childcare if they are enrolled full-time...and that's probably on the low side especially in cities with longer commute times....Nannies make more and have less children. I am talking about TEACHERs...and yes, we are teachers that have four year degrees in Early Childhood and/or Child Development. Most childcare teachers are required to have a four year degree. With my degree, I also had 12 credit hours of student teaching. Teaching children above 5 make more than we do. Childcare TEACHERS are actually more important, in my opinion, working with 6 weeks - age 5 than elementary and high school teachers...Children grow rapidly and learn more in their first five years than any time in life and yet their teachers get paid between 6-8 bucks an hour. It is RIDICULOUS. Most positions don't even pay any benefits or only pay partial benefits...and usually only get minimal cost of living increases each year. I could make more working at Starbucks! (Not to mention have a lot less stress.)

We have had quite a few parents complain about the cost of childcare (If you have kids, you know what I"m talking about, only to find out later what their child's teachers' make and they are appalled. Our center was recently closed because of budget cuts....parents need to work and they need to have quality care for their children. If childcare teachers can't afford to live on their salaries...I'm talking basic living expenses...who will be around later to care for society's most precious commodity...

I love kids and that's why I do what I do but somehow, someway, the bills still need to be paid. Trust me...there won't be a huge line of people waiting for my job...my job is already gone and if they want to go into childcare, they'd better have a rich husband or a winning lottery ticket.

[Nick C.]

I would think that with all that "educational value" in your life that you'd come across as someone with a modicum of intelligence. Unfortunately, I think it's been wasted. Maybe you should give up on it and become a hedonist. It will be more fun and your posts will be just as insightful.

If I would become a hedonist I would not be me, might be more fun but I must take some sick plesure in pain.

If that "educational value" was working on you, you would have noticed that I did separate my lame football smack from my serious comment with the ultra-secret code word "seriously."
Sorry I can not transition as well as you aparantly, when I get on this subject I am rather serious and pasionate.



Pretty much everyone around here. Do you know where you are? Maybe you meant to go <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/communist2/messages">here</a> instead.
What good is it gonna be for me to bitch about the system with a bunch of people that agree? Step one in any evolution of politics is discourse, prehaps if I can make you understand and respct my feelings and you do the same in turn we can come to a middle ground where a Majority of people can be happy.

and I Seriously can't wat for September 12th :P

[Nick C.]

My Grandad Gave me a 1,000 when I turned 18 , and told me I would enjoy earning more then recieving , I didnt bother telling the old Coot I had been working since I was 12 during the Summer on farms ..... But I am being a tad bit unfair , I was a Rebel I didnt want thier Money , I dodnt want to conform to thier ways , I was me , Lover , Fighter , Wild Bull Rider , Trucker , like my Father .........
you have my utmost respect in remaining true to who you are.

[Nick C.]

Stupid...gee thanks. YES< I Do realize that I wasn't going to be paid great..but the thing is, unless you check it out and check it out well, you just don't reallize how low. Do you realize children spend on the average 50 weeks in childcare if they are enrolled full-time...and that's probably on the low side especially in cities with longer commute times....Nannies make more and have less children. I am talking about TEACHERs...and yes, we are teachers that have four year degrees in Early Childhood and/or Child Development. Most childcare teachers are required to have a four year degree. With my degree, I also had 12 credit hours of student teaching. Teaching children above 5 make more than we do. Childcare TEACHERS are actually more important, in my opinion, working with 6 weeks - age 5 than elementary and high school teachers...Children grow rapidly and learn more in their first five years than any time in life and yet their teachers get paid between 6-8 bucks an hour. It is RIDICULOUS. Most positions don't even pay any benefits or only pay partial benefits...and usually only get minimal cost of living increases each year.

We have had quite a few parents complain about the cost of childcare (If you have kids, you know what I"m talking about, only to find out later what their child's teachers' make and they are appalled. Our center was recently closed because of budget cuts....parents need to work and they need to have quality care for their children. If childcare teachers can't afford to live on their salaries...I'm talking basic living expenses...who will be around later to care for society's most precious commodity...

I love kids and that's why I do what I do but somehow, someway, the bills still need to be paid. Trust me...there won't be a huge line of people waiting for my job...my job is already gone and if they want to go into childcare, they'd better have a rich husband or a winning lottery ticket.
Thank's for being a bridge to the future and not minding being walked all over.

[Sassy]

Thank's for being a bridge to the future and not minding being walked all over.
mmmmm.......not quite sure how to take that...and you're wrong, I do mind...I'm doing it for the kids...
Sounds like a backhanded compliment of some sort. ::)

[Nick C.]

mmmmm.......not quite sure how to take that...and you're wrong, I do mind...I'm doing it for the kids...
Sounds like a backhanded compliment of some sort. ::)
If you would read the rest of what I have said here I would think you would be able to surmise I was being sincer.
I love medaphors and it just came to me so I used it, well glad you are still a strong bridge despite not being well taken care of,

That any better?

[Sassy]

If you would read the rest of what I have said here I would think you would be able to surmise I was being sincer.
I love medaphors and it just came to me so I used it, well glad you are still a strong bridge despite not being well taken care of,

That any better?
Nick...check your rep :yep:

[kappys]

Stupid...gee thanks. YES< I Do realize that I wasn't going to be paid great..but the thing is, unless you check it out and check it out well, you just don't reallize how low. Do you realize children spend on the average 50 weeks in childcare if they are enrolled full-time...and that's probably on the low side especially in cities with longer commute times....Nannies make more and have less children. I am talking about TEACHERs...and yes, we are teachers that have four year degrees in Early Childhood and/or Child Development. Most childcare teachers are required to have a four year degree. With my degree, I also had 12 credit hours of student teaching. Teaching children above 5 make more than we do. Childcare TEACHERS are actually more important, in my opinion, working with 6 weeks - age 5 than elementary and high school teachers...Children grow rapidly and learn more in their first five years than any time in life and yet their teachers get paid between 6-8 bucks an hour. It is RIDICULOUS. Most positions don't even pay any benefits or only pay partial benefits...and usually only get minimal cost of living increases each year. I could make more working at Starbucks! (Not to mention have a lot less stress.)

We have had quite a few parents complain about the cost of childcare (If you have kids, you know what I"m talking about, only to find out later what their child's teachers' make and they are appalled. Our center was recently closed because of budget cuts....parents need to work and they need to have quality care for their children. If childcare teachers can't afford to live on their salaries...I'm talking basic living expenses...who will be around later to care for society's most precious commodity...

I love kids and that's why I do what I do but somehow, someway, the bills still need to be paid. Trust me...there won't be a huge line of people waiting for my job...my job is already gone and if they want to go into childcare, they'd better have a rich husband or a winning lottery ticket.

Everyone can only take so much. I don't disagree with you. I think that the formative years of a child's life are usually their youngest. If a child gets a lot of interaction at young ages I think they do much better.

Unfortunately, what people want is a warehouse for their kids at the cheapest price. You're right, parents complain about childcare costs, but ultimately it will come to them to make a deciscion about where their kids go.

It would seem that unionizing and striking is a moot point then, as there is no job to be had. It is to the detriment of our society then that such is taking place. There will be some positions of course, for rich parents, where the teachers make a fair wage. Sometimes though, I suppose you have to bite the bullet and get a different, higher paying job. I think(or at least hope) that eventually things will change and a proper emphasis will be placed on your line of work.

[patteeu]

Stupid...gee thanks.

Oh goodness gracious, please don't tell me you interpreted my post as accusing teachers of being stupid. And if you did interpret it that way, please don't tell me you are a teacher (with comprehension skills like that).

YES< I Do realize that I wasn't going to be paid great...

OK, I see that you are a teacher so I hope you were just joking with your first comment. In any event, this supports exactly the point I was making which was that teachers understand they aren't going to make top dollar.

..but the thing is, unless you check it out and check it out well, you just don't reallize how low.

I went to school for a degree in a field that I eventually realized wasn't for me. It was an expensive lesson, but I wouldn't expect society to compensate me for my mistake. For the same reason, I wouldn't support artificially increasing teacher pay just because some teachers don't realize just how low teaching salaries are before they get into it. Teachers get paid what the market will bear.

Furthermore, once you get into it, you do understand the pay scale and are free to change jobs. For that reason, it's an extreme stretch for anyone to imply that this is exploitation (as I believe Nick C. did).

Do you realize children spend on the average 50 weeks in childcare if they are enrolled full-time...and that's probably on the low side especially in cities with longer commute times....Nannies make more and have less children. I am talking about TEACHERs...and yes, we are teachers that have four year degrees in Early Childhood and/or Child Development. Most childcare teachers are required to have a four year degree. With my degree, I also had 12 credit hours of student teaching. Teaching children above 5 make more than we do. Childcare TEACHERS are actually more important, in my opinion, working with 6 weeks - age 5 than elementary and high school teachers...Children grow rapidly and learn more in their first five years than any time in life and yet their teachers get paid between 6-8 bucks an hour. It is RIDICULOUS. Most positions don't even pay any benefits or only pay partial benefits...and usually only get minimal cost of living increases each year. I could make more working at Starbucks! (Not to mention have a lot less stress.)

We have had quite a few parents complain about the cost of childcare (If you have kids, you know what I"m talking about, only to find out later what their child's teachers' make and they are appalled. Our center was recently closed because of budget cuts....parents need to work and they need to have quality care for their children. If childcare teachers can't afford to live on their salaries...I'm talking basic living expenses...who will be around later to care for society's most precious commodity...

I love kids and that's why I do what I do but somehow, someway, the bills still need to be paid. Trust me...there won't be a huge line of people waiting for my job...my job is already gone and if they want to go into childcare, they'd better have a rich husband or a winning lottery ticket.

I'm very happy that there are people like you who love doing important jobs like teaching and nursing enough to put up with the low relative pay and the negatives of the jobs (e.g. nurses who spend a substantial amount of their time cleaning up the various bodily fluids of their patients, *yuck*). I have a lot of respect for caregivers (my wife is a nurse). But it's time for you to grow up and realize that you have to choose between a high paying job with benefits and the kind of low-paying job you just lost (sorry to hear about that BTW). If nanny's make more, then become a nanny. Find some rich family that's willing to pay top dollar to have their kids cared for in the best possible way and then prove to them that you are the one to provide that care. That way you can continue to work with the kids you love. If that's not right for you and you need the money then go to work at Starbucks or go back to school to train for a different job. We all have to make choices. If it were up to me, I'd be a professional football watcher (well in a way I guess I already am, but I mean a guy who watches football for a living) or a professional music listener or a professional forum poster, but unfortunately I can't find anyone to pay me a decent wage for doing those things. So I had to choose a more practical route.

Good luck with whatever you end up doing.

[patteeu]

mmmmm.......not quite sure how to take that...and you're wrong, I do mind...I'm doing it for the kids...
Sounds like a backhanded compliment of some sort. ::)

You are misinterpreting Nick C. now. This is his way of saying he appreciates you for all you do and that he empathizes with you because, in his view, you are being exploited. It's a load of crap, but it is a straight up compliment, not a backhanded one.

[Sassy]

I'm very happy that there are people like you who love doing important jobs like teaching and nursing enough to put up with the low relative pay and the negatives of the jobs (e.g. nurses who spend a substantial amount of their time cleaning up the various bodily fluids of their patients, *yuck*). I have a lot of respect for caregivers (my wife is a nurse). But it's time for you to grow up and realize that you have to choose between a high paying job with benefits and the kind of low-paying job you just lost (sorry to hear about that BTW). If nanny's make more, then become a nanny. Find some rich family that's willing to pay top dollar to have their kids cared for in the best possible way and then prove to them that you are the one to provide that care. That way you can continue to work with the kids you love. If that's not right for you and you need the money then go to work at Starbucks or go back to school to train for a different job. We all have to make choices. If it were up to me, I'd be a professional football watcher (well in a way I guess I already am, but I mean a guy who watches football for a living) or a professional music listener or a professional forum poster, but unfortunately I can't find anyone to pay me a decent wage for doing those things. So I had to choose a more practical route.

You're not getting it...it doesn't have anything to do with me in general...and I don't think you're realizing how degrading some of your post is sounding...

[patteeu]

I'm very happy that there are people like you who love doing important jobs like teaching and nursing enough to put up with the low relative pay and the negatives of the jobs (e.g. nurses who spend a substantial amount of their time cleaning up the various bodily fluids of their patients, *yuck*). I have a lot of respect for caregivers (my wife is a nurse). But it's time for you to grow up and realize that you have to choose between a high paying job with benefits and the kind of low-paying job you just lost (sorry to hear about that BTW). If nanny's make more, then become a nanny. Find some rich family that's willing to pay top dollar to have their kids cared for in the best possible way and then prove to them that you are the one to provide that care. That way you can continue to work with the kids you love. If that's not right for you and you need the money then go to work at Starbucks or go back to school to train for a different job. We all have to make choices. If it were up to me, I'd be a professional football watcher (well in a way I guess I already am, but I mean a guy who watches football for a living) or a professional music listener or a professional forum poster, but unfortunately I can't find anyone to pay me a decent wage for doing those things. So I had to choose a more practical route.

You're not getting it...it doesn't have anything to do with me in general...and I don't think you're realizing how degrading some of your post is sounding...


You are right. I should have left the "for you to grow up" part out. I should have just said, "you need to realize..." instead. My apologies.

Otherwise, I think I get it just fine, but feel free to set me straight.

[Sassy]

But it's time for you to grow up and realize that you have to choose between a high paying job with benefits and the kind of low-paying job you just lost (sorry to hear about that BTW).

I'm not asking for a dramatic pay increase to do a job I enjoy...just to make enough to pay the bills...and have you ever tried to contact politicians and get other people to contact politicians for a cause that you believed in? Just curious.

Grow up? Gee thanks. I've been working since I was a sophomore in high school and also had babysitting jobs since I was eleven. Just for your INFO...the "low paying" job I lost was NOT the average lowpaying childcare Teacher Position...and I had good benefits including a retirement plan and 5 weeks paid vacation/paid holidays and dental/health.

If nanny's make more, then become a nanny. Find some rich family that's willing to pay top dollar to have their kids cared for in the best possible way and then prove to them that you are the one to provide that care. That way you can continue to work with the kids you love.

Been there. Done that. But like you said. I have to "grow-up" sometime.

If that's not right for you and you need the money then go to work at Starbucks or go back to school to train for a different job. We all have to make choices.

Do you realize how much it costs to go back to school and the time involved. I'm a little to old to be doing that now. It wouldn't be worth the time to pay bills and they would also want to hire someone younger that would stick around for awhile.

[patteeu]

But it's time for you to grow up and realize that you have to choose between a high paying job with benefits and the kind of low-paying job you just lost (sorry to hear about that BTW).

I'm not asking for a dramatic pay increase to do a job I enjoy...just to make enough to pay the bills...and have you ever tried to contact politicians and get other people to contact politicians for a cause that you believed in? Just curious.

Grow up? Gee thanks. I've been working since I was a sophomore in high school and also had babysitting jobs since I was eleven. Just for your INFO...the "low paying" job I lost was NOT the average lowpaying childcare Teacher Position...and I had good benefits including a retirement plan and 5 weeks paid vacation/paid holidays and dental/health.

You may have missed my apology for the "grow up" comment, so just in case, let me repeat that I think that was uncalled for.

Perhaps it was the "I could make more working at Starbucks! (Not to mention have a lot less stress.)" comment that led me to believe that you, personally, had lost a low paying teaching job.

I can't remember a specific issue that has ever moved me to lobby a politician, but I don't have a problem with special interest groups (even if they are a single person) trying to influence our political process. That's the way it works. On this issue though, to the extent that I do participate in the political process (e.g. by voting or supporting specific candidates), I would be working against any government wage supports for day care workers if that's what you are talking about. I'm too libertarian for that kind of thing.

If nanny's make more, then become a nanny. Find some rich family that's willing to pay top dollar to have their kids cared for in the best possible way and then prove to them that you are the one to provide that care. That way you can continue to work with the kids you love.

Been there. Done that. But like you said. I have to "grow-up" sometime.

If that's not right for you and you need the money then go to work at Starbucks or go back to school to train for a different job. We all have to make choices.

Do you realize how much it costs to go back to school and the time involved. I'm a little to old to be doing that now. It wouldn't be worth the time to pay bills and they would also want to hire someone younger that would stick around for awhile.

As a matter of fact I do. I've been there and done that. In fact, it was my second degree (that I decided to pursue after 5 years in my first career), that turned out to be the one that was an expensive mistake. You are right, it takes a lot of time and is costly. We all have to either live with the choices we've made for ourselves or make new choices now to change our circumstances. I've made my share of bad choices. IMO, government should have a very limited role in making up for poor personal choices. I know others disagree with this and that's why we argue about politics around here.

Anyway, good luck to you and I'm sorry if I offended you.

[Sassy]

Perhaps it was the "I could make more working at Starbucks! (Not to mention have a lot less stress.)" comment that led me to believe that you, personally, had lost a low paying teaching job.

Actually, I made that comment in regard to the jobs that I've seen posted in the classifieds and online in the past 7 months.

[orinjkrush]

frankly, i believe another component for why teachers, nurses, secretaries and so on are paid low wages is pure misogyny.

[broncogary]

My Grandad Gave me a 1,000 when I turned 18 , and told me I would enjoy earning more then recieving , I didnt bother telling the old Coot I had been working since I was 12 during the Summer on farms ..... But I am being a tad bit unfair , I was a Rebel I didnt want thier Money , I dodnt want to conform to thier ways , I was me , Lover , Fighter , Wild Bull Rider , Trucker , like my Father .........

Hey, you left out "speller." ;D

[Spider]

Hey, you left out "speller." ;D
I also left out ass kicker of those that are smug , and would be comedians ....

[W*GS]

Nowhere near as rich as that pig Michael Moore.

Pity that lying fraud fatass doesn't live up to his principles and donate every single penny of his wealth to the families of the military guys stationed in Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends more in a single sitting (at the kind of fancy restaurants the superrich like him can afford, feeding his lardass) than the family of a Pfc serving in Iraq spends in a whole month on food.

I see Michael Moore, and I think Mr. Creosote. 'Tis a shame it's unlikely he'll explode of his own engorgement and leave this earth, to the rest of us honest, reasonable, decent folks.

Michael Moore epitomizes all that is wrong with the Left in this nation.

[watermock]

I had a post for Sassy but I pulled it. I have been pushed so far into a corner on so many things, some things I don't care to battle out other than it's fun.

1. Teachers should be paid on achievment. That doesn't mean a kid in South Oakland or whatever should be expected to place as well as someone in Iowa. It should be on a curve if there ever was a reason for a curve. Improvement IS IMPROVEMENT.

I think that child care is very important. Look, here is my opinion and it sounds stupid, but sometimes you get what you want, and it ain't so good.

Now, mom heads to the job, drops off the kids at child care, blah blah blah. Works all day, picks up whiney kids, hubby comes home.

There is the freedom you wanted baybee.

If I was a female, I would of rather been Kitty from that 70's show. Ha ha ha...I'm smoking a cigarette and drinking a glass of wine....it's amused me for 25 years.

Given their liberation, women are bitchier and more unhappy than ever. Let me tell you something else!

When they talk about the womens workforce, it wasn't even COUNTED till they started working. Having your wife was considered weak and frowned on.

Now when she comes home tired, he comes home tired, the kids have been pulling each others hair out in some oddball day care?

It makes Leave it to Beaver look pretty damn good doesn't it.

Hello Beaver, how was school today?

Beaver: You bitch, the damn key under the mat was gone again, and you expect me to buy some crap from McDonalds again?

I remember when our meals cost 40 cents, and we actually got 2 meals. We got some oatmeal and OJ and some eggs. You know, I am continually amazed how good I had it, but for some reason, the idea was that there had to be some sort of transormation of society.

One of my favorite writers, TMQ, Gregg Westerbook wrote a very good book on the subject. He's a Rhodes Scholar and almost mirrors my opinions. He also writes for NFL.com

His new book is called "The Progress Paradox"

[broncogary]

I also left out ass kicker of those that are smug , and would be comedians ....

Yes, you did. :laugh:

[Spider]

Yes, you did. :laugh:
well then seeing how you dont like my spelling , this post should realy piss you off and be good for a months worth of crying from you ..........

Ha this hyar sh'd realy piss yo' off Gary , nothin' wo'se then a dadburn texican thet is smug .....
Enjoy gary

[broncogary]

well then seeing how you dont like my spelling , this post should realy piss you off and be good for a months worth of crying from you ..........

Ha this hyar sh'd realy piss yo' off Gary , nothin' wo'se then a dadburn texican thet is smug .....
Enjoy gary

Hey, we like you in spite of your spelling. :kiss:

[Spider]

Hey, we like you in spite of your spelling. :kiss:
Ha! , well I think we can exlude Chief fan from the we part

[Nick C.]

I sometimes you get what you want, and it ain't so good.

Now, mom heads to the job, drops off the kids at child care, blah blah blah. Works all day, picks up whiney kids, hubby comes home.

There is the freedom you wanted baybee.

If I was a female, I would of rather been Kitty from that 70's show. Ha ha ha...I'm smoking a cigarette and drinking a glass of wine....it's amused me for 25 years.

Given their liberation, women are bitchier and more unhappy than ever. Let me tell you something else!

When they talk about the womens workforce, it wasn't even COUNTED till they started working. Having your wife was considered weak and frowned on.

Now when she comes home tired, he comes home tired, the kids have been pulling each others hair out in some oddball day care?

It makes Leave it to Beaver look pretty damn good doesn't it.

Hello Beaver, how was school today?

Beaver: You bitch, the damn key under the mat was gone again, and you expect me to buy some crap from McDonalds again?

I remember when our meals cost 40 cents, and we actually got 2 meals. We got some oatmeal and OJ and some eggs. You know, I am continually amazed how good I had it, but for some reason, the idea was that there had to be some sort of transormation of society.


I agree for the most part, my opinion is women where given the platform to enact change cause the powers that be wanted it that way.

[errand]

I guess this thread puts into perspective Bush's "tax cuts for the rich" huh?