Moderate Republicans Sponsor anti-Bush ads

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A group of moderate Republicans, many long out of office, called on President Bush and the Republican party to "come back to the mainstream" on the eve of the Republican National Convention.

"Instead of partisan ideology — which increasingly has led moderates to leave the party — what's needed is a speedy return to the pragmatic, problem-solving mainstream," the group called Mainstream 2004 said in newspaper advertisements to be published Monday.

The "Come Back To The Mainstream" ads say what many moderate Republicans are thinking, said A. Linwood Holton, who was Virginia governor from 1970-74.

The problem lies with the "extremist element that controls the Republican party," Holton said, "which has polarized this country."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_republican_moderates&cid=694&ncid=2043

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Meet the "Kerry Republicans"

Polls are starting to indicate a growing number of 'undecideds' at a time when polarity is expected to increase. The phenomena is believed to be due to increasing numbers of Kerry Republicans. These are disillusioned moderates who are uncomfortable with the extreme positions taken by those who have taken over the GOP. They are not yet commited to voting against Bush but there is a risk that they will simply not vote and this may swing the election to Kerry/Edwards.

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Republicans for Kerry

http://www.republicansforkerry.org/

August 27 2004

The concept of Republicans for Kerry found its way onto The Wall
Street Journal's famously conservative Editorial Page this morning, in a
commentary piece of the same title by Niall Ferguson. (Subscription
required). Ferguson writes,

It is doubtless not the most tactful question to ask on the eve of
the Republican convention, but might it not be better for
American conservatism if George Bush failed to win a
second term?

Yes, I know, the official GOP line is that nothing could possibly be
as bad for the U.S. as a Kerry presidency. According to the Bush
campaign, John Kerry's record of vacillation and inconsistency in
the Senate would make him a disastrously indecisive POTUS -- an
IMPOTUS, as it were. By contrast, they insist, Mr. Bush is
decisiveness incarnate. And when this president makes a
decision, he sticks to it with Texan tenacity (no matter how
wrong it turns out to be).

"Country Before Party"

These people deserve some BIG props.

http://www.republicansforkerry04.com/

Who Are We?

We are ordinary Republicans from across the political spectrum -- moderate, conservative, and progressive -- who believe in the sanctity of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. This unites us in our desire to return our country and our party to the traditional values that have been abandoned by the present extremist administration and their exclusionary allies in Congress. We have taken the unusual step of supporting a Democrat, John Kerry, because we believe he more honestly represents these values so vital to the health and well-being of our democracy. On the important issues of foreign policy, fiscal responsibility, tax policy, energy, the environment, media consolidation, civil liberties and trust, history has shown us all too clearly that John Kerry will be a far better steward than the present administration. We believe that all Americans should heed George Washington's wisdom and put country before party.

[watermock]

That is three posts in a row there Dimwit.

Meet the "Kerry Republicans"

Polls are starting to indicate a growing number of 'undecideds' at a time when polarity is expected to increase. The phenomena is believed to be due to increasing numbers of Kerry Republicans. These are disillusioned moderates who are uncomfortable with the extreme positions taken by those who have taken over the GOP. They are not yet commited to voting against Bush but there is a risk that they will simply not vote and this may swing the election to Kerry/Edwards.

Your full of crap. Polls have swung 5 percent for Bush and the Convention hasn't even started.

Your an Idiot.
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[azbronco]

It is a constant irony that labia refers to Yahoo so much.

Freakin Yahoo!

[Needa Pass Rush]

They're all Liars, LABF. Haven't you learned anything here? ;D

[Rohirrim]

A group of moderate Republicans, many long out of office, called on President Bush and the Republican party to "come back to the mainstream" on the eve of the Republican National Convention.

Oh, believe me, he's coming "back to the mainstream..."

At least until the convention's over. (rim shot) :yep:

[Needa Pass Rush]

Oh, believe me, he's coming "back to the mainstream..."

At least until the convention's over. (rim shot) :yep:

This isn't rocket science, Ro. The majority lives in the middle. Happens every election. Even McAlliffe knows this and acts accordingly.

[Rohirrim]

I guess DeLay will be using Cheney's bunker this week.

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It is a constant irony that labia refers to Yahoo so much.

Freakin Yahoo!

:spamattac

It's a constant irony that AZwipe skips actual rebuttals and goes straight for the ad hominem.

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This isn't rocket science, Ro. The majority lives in the middle.

It's nice to know the middle is inhabited by Republicans for Kerry.

[Exile_In_SJ]

and Democrats for Bush.. Koch, Ron Silver, Zell Miller. lmao

[Exile_In_SJ]

And John McCain enthusiastically supporting Bush, the Guy who Heinz-Kerry really wanted for Veep..

Bush 4 more years.... yeah

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and Democrats for Bush.. Koch, Ron Silver, Zell Miller. lmao

As if these guys represent some actual movement or demographic amongst voters.

Too friggin' funny!

the Guy who Heinz-Kerry really wanted for Veep..

Keep repeating this disinfo--maybe the Fux News magic will happen and it will become truth.

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They're all Liars, LABF. Haven't you learned anything here? ;D

:spamattac

Pop goes the weasel.

Looks like I just flushed out a non-moderate republican.

:)

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Republican for Kerry

Voices from the march

The Republican. When I saw his sign, "Republicans for Kerry/Edwards", bobbing just ahead, I immediately tracked down Henry Engelbrecht, a modest-looking older man in an all-blue outfit topped by a Masonic cap ("Masons Lodge #163, Bernardville, NJ"), marching with a group called Somerset County Voices for Peace. He was, he told me, a merchant-marine vet from World War II. "I'm an elected Republican districtman from my district in Somerset County, New Jersey. In the last election, I worked very hard for Bush. On phone banks. I contributed financially. I persuaded people to vote. But I slowly turned against the Bush administration and particularly George Bush because of the terrible lies. The WMD lies. They all lied, Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, and the rest of the cabinet, to fortify their decision to attack Iraq. We lost all those wonderful young men for those rotten lies."

As we were talking, we passed one of a number of home-made signs exhibiting variations on "George Bush, war criminal". He grabbed my arm and with excitement said, "Exactly. Were Bush and his cabinet tried under the same rules as the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, they would be condemned to hang. They plotted aggressive warfare, for one thing, and that was a charge at Nuremberg.

"Why did we attack Iraq? Why did we tell all those lies about Iraq? For all that oil in Iraq. Vice President Cheney has stock in Halliburton which has gained at least two times its value due to the billions of dollars awarded to the company with no competitive bidding. He handed it to them on a silver platter!"

He was, he told me, just three months short of 80 years old, and when I complimented him for his fitness, he responded, "It just depends on how much scotch you consume."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FH31Aa03.html

[watermock]

According to the Manatee, Iraq was idyllic paradise.

[Blueflame]

According to the Manatee, Iraq was idyllic paradise.

... says the man who admits he hasn't seen F911, while quoting a man (John McCain) who admits he hasn't seen the movie...

::) ::) ::)

[Southern Bronco]

Better still is the web site of the Communists For Kerry
http://communistsforkerry.com/
It's quite amusing.

The republicansforkerry.org website and the republicansforkerry04.com website seem to have an interesting background. They are both registered by the same anonymous registration service.

Administrative Contact: Private, Registration REPUBLICANSFORKERRY04.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599

[freak6]

If you think secretive liars that get US Marines, soldiers, sailors, and civilians killed and mutilated in misguided wars that actually help the terrorists, and at the same time stab our left behind children in the back is good for our country, then by all means,

VOTE BUSH!!!!!!!

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RNC Delegates mock wounded soldiers

Just when you think repuke brownshirts can't possibly stoop any lower...

Upon hearing of multiple news reports that GOP delegates are belittling the injuries soldiers sustained during service by wearing Band-Aids with purple hearts, DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe issued the following statement:

"It is inexcusable for a Republican delegate to mock anyone who has ever put on a soldier's uniform. It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice. Our service men and women put their lives on the line every day. If they are wounded in the line of duty it is because they are fighting on the frontlines for freedom. Anything but complete respect for their service is unacceptable.

"Mindful of the fact that over 3,700 purple hearts have been issued during the Iraq war so far and none of us know how high that number will climb, I call on John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, before they speak, to tell their delegates to disavow these tactics. I call on these two men to use the power of their positions to tell their delegates that service matters, sacrifice matters, and that no Republican delegate should ever mock the service of our soldiers."

[Kaylore]

RNC Delegates mock wounded soldiers

Just when you think repuke brownshirts can't possibly stoop any lower...

Upon hearing of multiple news reports that GOP delegates are belittling the injuries soldiers sustained during service by wearing Band-Aids with purple hearts, DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe issued the following statement:

"It is inexcusable for a Republican delegate to mock anyone who has ever put on a soldier's uniform. It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice. Our service men and women put their lives on the line every day. If they are wounded in the line of duty it is because they are fighting on the frontlines for freedom. Anything but complete respect for their service is unacceptable.

"Mindful of the fact that over 3,700 purple hearts have been issued during the Iraq war so far and none of us know how high that number will climb, I call on John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, before they speak, to tell their delegates to disavow these tactics. I call on these two men to use the power of their positions to tell their delegates that service matters, sacrifice matters, and that no Republican delegate should ever mock the service of our soldiers."

I promised myself I wouldn't weigh in on politics, but you posting Terry McAuliffe making statements about morality shows how you guys are pure iconoclasts. Wasn't it Terry McAuliffe who illegally garnered 25 million in the stock scandal at Global crossing?

For people who consistantly attack Republicans as being the bed-maid's of corporate corruption, you certainly keep some strange company. ::)

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I promised myself I wouldn't weigh in on politics, but you posting Terry McAuliffe making statements about morality shows how you guys are pure iconoclasts.

"Iconoclasts?"

Is this a "just learned a new vocabulary word and trying to use it in a sentence" thing?

Wasn't it Terry McAuliffe who illegally garnered 25 million in the stock scandal at Global crossing?

Is that what Rush said?

Or do you have actual proof to back this allegation? (Note: Faux News and freerepublic.com don't count.)

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Isn't it funny how rethugs always try to change the subject when one of their own has been caught doing something unethical or crooked?

For example, they will never address the immediate issue of delegates at the RNC handing out purple band-aids--they'll just deflect to Clinton or some other Democrat.

Do these people ever take any responsibility for their actions?

[RunByDesign]

Responsibility is in the eye of the beholder, apparently. Any shameless, intellectually dishonest Republican would agree. Which would basically encompass every single one I have ever had the displeasure of communicating with.

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For people who consistantly attack Republicans as being the bed-maid's of corporate corruption, you certainly keep some strange company.

Gosh, talk about a profound moral philosophy.

Delegates are morally justified in handing out purple band aids at the RNC because someone else (fill in the name of any Democrat) did something bad once upon a time.

Conservatives must suffer from some form of arrested moral development.

[RunByDesign]

[b]

Conservatives must suffer from some form of arrested moral development.

Case in point: Vice President Go F*ck Your Self and his gay daughter. Morality is only valuable in a self-serving capacity, apparently.

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Case in point: Vice President Go F*ck Your Self and his gay daughter.

Yep.

This is just another example of the same brand of duplicity going on at the RNC masqerade ball right now as we speak.

The rethugs put on this dog and pony show where they trot out one front man after another who doesn't actually represent what their party stands for.

At this stage of the game, supporting these goons would take some serious mental contortionism.

[RunByDesign]

What's truly sad is: The many, many people who are too stubborn and dishonest to admit this truth to themselves and do something about it.

They are out there in droves.

[RaiderH8r]

Case in point: Vice President Go F*ck Your Self and his gay daughter.

Yep.

This is just another example of the same brand of duplicity going on at the RNC masqerade ball right now as we speak.

The rethugs put on this dog and pony show where they trot out one front man after another who doesn't actually represent what their party stands for.

At this stage of the game, supporting these goons would take some serious mental contortionism.
Dog and pony show.... Ha! That's rich. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Boston that is. John John and his puppet master are banging the war hero drum. If you took a shot for every time "Vietnam" and "War Hero" came up even Ted Kennedy would have to be carried out of the arena by the 3rd hour.

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Dog and pony show.... Ha! That's rich. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Boston that is. John John and his puppet master are banging the war hero drum. If you took a shot for every time "Vietnam" and "War Hero" came up even Ted Kennedy would have to be carried out of the arena by the 3rd hour.

But Bubba:

How can Kerry's discussion of his military experience be a "dog and pony show" when it's for real?

Maybe you need to get someone to explain the meaning of the phrase "dog and pony show" to you.

BTW, isn't it funny how you never actually defended the charge at hand, viz., that the rethugs at the RNC were sending out front men who didn't really represent what today's GOP stands for?

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[azbronco]

Case in point: Vice President Go F*ck Your Self and his gay daughter. Morality is only valuable in a self-serving capacity, apparently.

Excuse me, point of order please. Lest I need remind you, your boy was the first to utter profanities, not just on a closed senate floor photo session but in a international publication-The Roling Stone. In reference to the President of the United Stateds he refered to him as "George ****ing Bush".
So please, have a little intellectual honesty and if you are going to throw stones throw them uniformly.

For his display of profanity, and I'm sure he'll flip flop on it, he is known locallay as "John F-in Kerry".

[Blueflame]

Excuse me, point of order please. Lest I need remind you, your boy was the first to utter profanities, not just on a closed senate floor photo session but in a international publication-The Roling Stone. In reference to the President of the United Stateds he refered to him as "George ****ing Bush".
So please, have a little intellectual honesty and if you are going to throw stones throw them uniformly.

For his display of profanity, and I'm sure he'll flip flop on it, he is known locallay as "John F-in Kerry".

Is that worse than referring to a journalist as a "major league azzhole" over an open mike? It would appear that "intellectual honesty" would require the admission that that incident happened earlier, too...

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Lest I need remind you, your boy was the first to utter profanities, not just on a closed senate floor photo session but in a international publication-The Roling Stone.

Hilarious!

Now there's a meaningful equation: Unka Dick telling a US senator to "go F yourself" on the floor of the US Senate, and Kerry's use of the 'F' word in an interview with a music/pop culture rag.

Keep the thigh-slappers coming.

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For his display of profanity, and I'm sure he'll flip flop on it, he is known locallay as "John F-in Kerry".

Right, Bubba.

This is serious stuff (not like flip-flopping on something as trivial as the question of whether or not the "war on terra" can be won.)

[RunByDesign]

Excuse me, point of order please. Lest I need remind you, your boy was the first to utter profanities, not just on a closed senate floor photo session but in a international publication-The Roling Stone. In reference to the President of the United Stateds he refered to him as "George ****ing Bush".
So please, have a little intellectual honesty and if you are going to throw stones throw them uniformly.

For his display of profanity, and I'm sure he'll flip flop on it, he is known locallay as "John F-in Kerry".

Lest I need remind you, my statement had nothing to do with Vice President Go F*ck Yourselfs' affinity for profanity but with his selective moral agenda.

As far as I know, I am free to refer to a person using whatever type of name that I desire. The more comedic, the better. If I want to make a point concerning his use of the English language, you will be the first one that I inform, rest assuredly. :clown: I mean, is this your version of a "loyalty oath", or something? ROFL!

Interestingly enough, please explain who "my boy" is.

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I mean, is this your version of a "loyalty oath", or something?

ROFL!

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_almighty.jpg

[Raider Bill]

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_experience.jpg

[Kaylore]

I promised myself I wouldn't weigh in on politics, but you posting Terry McAuliffe making statements about morality shows how you guys are pure iconoclasts.

"Iconoclasts?"

Is this a "just learned a new vocabulary word and trying to use it in a sentence" thing?

No. I believe this is what you are in both the classical and modern use of the word. I've read your posts on this forum. You do nothing but post your propaganda and then resort to name-calling when someone tries to back it up.

Wasn't it Terry McAuliffe who illegally garnered 25 million in the stock scandal at Global crossing?

Is that what Rush said?

Or do you have actual proof to back this allegation? (Note: Faux News and freerepublic.com don't count.)



No, I got it from the news. (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/12/190253.shtml)

That's mature, though. Someone points out obvious moral hypocrissy and then you immediately accuse me of making it up and then call me names. See this is why I stopped arguing with Liberals. Particularly ones like you.

You guys are SO full of hate and anger its actually disturbing. I don't hate liberals; I disagree with them. Liberals generally despise Republicans and make vicious attacks on their character (Racists, religious nuts, evil corporate monsters, ad nauseam) I'll not deny we right-wing conspiracists do our fair share name calling, but you aren't seeing the level and anger and hate that is present in the left wing today on our side of the boat.

It's actually sad because I'm someone that can sepperate politics from other things (like the Broncos), but I guess to some, world-view is the only defining characteristic of a person.

Anyway, I'm not going to waste my time here. Let me just leave you with some advice and say that you can't hate someone out of office. We tried that with Clinton and it backfired.

If you guys want to win this election, start talking about why Kerry is a good choice outside of the "He's not Bush and that's all we need to say." That doesn't sell. You need to say "Kerry is going to do this and that will help America" not "Bush is satan/Enron DeathLord/Hitler reborn/The most dangerous dictator in the world/the guy who gave you diarrhea and Kerry isn't!"

If you want to discuss policy and ideas, I'll be happy to talk to you. If you want to attack Bush and Republicans and spread worthless conspiracy theories than I'll pass. :unamused:

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you can't hate someone out of office. We tried that with Clinton and it backfired

Wow!

Mark your calendars--I found one true statement in the foregoing semi-coherent, right-wing extremist rant by Kaylore.

But the analogy he suggests is a poor one.

Why?

Because the rightards and their gazillion dollar noise machine had to manufacture hatred of Clinton--one lie and one phony scandal at a time.

No one has to manufacture anything to justifty condemnation of the Smirking Sociopath and the neocon extremist thugs who have hijacked the GOP and the US government.

This misadministration's record offers more-than-ample grounds for condemnation.

http://www.EvolveFISH.com/fish/media/S-BushLied.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We tried that with Clinton and it backfired

You won't fully appreciate the extent to which your treatment of Clinton has backfired until Bush loses the election in November.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

West Texan Republican does a great ad for MoveOn

This is the latest in the 10 weeks series. It doesn't get better than this.

http://www.moveonpac.org/10weeks/#

[Blueflame]

No. I believe this is what you are in both the classical and modern use of the word. I've read your posts on this forum. You do nothing but post your propaganda and then resort to name-calling when someone tries to back it up.





No, I got it from the news. (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/12/190253.shtml)

That's mature, though. Someone points out obvious moral hypocrissy and then you immediately accuse me of making it up and then call me names. See this is why I stopped arguing with Liberals. Particularly ones like you.

You guys are SO full of hate and anger its actually disturbing. I don't hate liberals; I disagree with them. Liberals generally despise Republicans and make vicious attacks on their character (Racists, religious nuts, evil corporate monsters, ad nauseam) I'll not deny we right-wing conspiracists do our fair share name calling, but you aren't seeing the level and anger and hate that is present in the left wing today on our side of the boat.


If you truly believe this, I'd suggest that it's only because you've never experienced a confrontation with those "on your side of the boat"...

I have and your statement is patently false. Unfortunately, intolerance and incivility are quite common in all hues of the political spectrum.

Exhibit A) the picture of the Bush supporter who physically tried to stifle a Kerry supporter's words (incident happened at a rally in Oregon).

Exhibit B) Bush supporter kicking a Kerry supporter at the RNC. (video of the incident is available online)

Is physical violence justified simply because one expresses an opposing political viewpoint? These two Bush supporters obviously thought so...

[watermock]

After 500 cartoons and total assertions, and watching Blue totally fall in line, it's kinda funny actually.

Physical Violence? How much Violence or even Demonstrations were at the Boston Convention? The Administration went out of it's way to provide security to the point of absurdity. Noone was ranting on the floor.

But the Republicans let the Manatee to sit and whisper, "this is going to make me another 30 million".

When is reality going to kick in? When a cop is kicked unconcious? Apparently not.

Physically tried to stifle is a bit different than "beat a policeman to unconciousness".

The double standard is totally amazing.

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[Blueflame]

After 500 cartoons and total assertions, and watching Blue totally fall in line, it's kinda funny actually.

WTF are you rambing on about, Mock?

Physical Violence? How much Violence or even Demonstrations were at the Boston Convention? The Administration went out of it's way to provide security to the point of absurdity. Noone was ranting on the floor.

???

But the Republicans let the Manatee to sit and whisper, "this is going to make me another 30 million".

Ok, so you don't like Michael Moore... is there another point to this remark?

Michael Moore was within his rights to be at the RNC as a commentator for USA Today... and he was also within his rights to "whisper" anything he chose to say.

When is reality going to kick in? When a cop is kicked unconcious? Apparently not.

Physically tried to stifle is a bit different than "beat a policeman to unconciousness".

The double standard is totally amazing.

There's no double standard whatsoever. I presented two occasions on which Bush supporters resorted to physical intimidation to quash others' rights to express an opposing opinion. This post suggests that rather than decrying such tactics, your reaction is to deflect and attempt to justify those incidents.

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Originally Posted by watermock: After 500 cartoons and total assertions, and watching Blue totally fall in line, it's kinda funny actually.

(Copied from quote in post #47.)

Gotta chuckle at watercockroach's repetitive use of the phrase "total assertion"--as if the word "assertion" possessed some intrinsic negative connotation.

This guy is one home-schooled yokel who never ceases to entertain. LOL

[watermock]

Just read it again.

First, your have fallen asleep and you don't know it Blue. It doesn't matter, someday you will wake up.

Second, you compared stifling with outright kicking the guys head in. What part of that didn't you understand?

Third, I don't care what USA Today does with their "commentators" the point is that he whispered he would make another 30 million. I hope it can give him a tick bath, shave, and new hat. Poor guy. He's out for us. God your deluded.

First, intimidation is not lethal assault. Second, noone tried to disrupt the Democratic Convention, it was disrupted at least 4 times in New York, to the extent that people were incredulous that the Republicans would even have tha Gall to have the convention there.

Is that plain enough for you?

[Blueflame]

Just read it again.

First, your have fallen asleep and you don't know it Blue. It doesn't matter, someday you will wake up.

Second, you compared stifling with outright kicking the guys head in. What part of that didn't you understand?

Third, I don't care what USA Today does with their "commentators" the point is that he whispered he would make another 30 million. I hope it can give him a tick bath, shave, and new hat. Poor guy. He's out for us. God your deluded.

First, intimidation is not lethal assault. Second, noone tried to disrupt the Democratic Convention, it was disrupted at least 4 times in New York, to the extent that people were incredulous that the Republicans would even have tha Gall to have the convention there.

Is that plain enough for you?

If you look back at my response to Kaylore, the intention was to refute the notion that somehow "liberals" have a corner on "hate"... my assertion was that intolerance exists in all subsets of political affiliation. I used two examples to illustrate that conservatives are fully capable of crossing the line, too. Like it or not; that's the truth.

Your point appears to be that conservative misbehavior is OK because you can point to a liberal that you believe behaved even worse. I don't buy it.