NY Times Exposes Bush/Swift Vets Connection

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A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures, and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove.

Records show that the group received the bulk of its initial financing from two men with ties to the president and his family - one a longtime political associate of Mr. Rove's, the other a trustee of the foundation for Mr. Bush's father's presidential library. A Texas publicist who once helped prepare Mr. Bush's father for his debate when he was running for vice president provided them with strategic advice. And the group's television commercial was produced by the same team that made the devastating ad mocking Michael S. Dukakis in an oversized tank helmet when he and Mr. Bush's father faced off in the 1988 presidential election.

The strategy the veterans devised would ultimately paint John Kerry the war hero as John Kerry the "baby killer" and the fabricator of the events that resulted in his war medals. But on close examination, the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' prove to be riddled with inconsistencies. In many cases, material offered as proof by these veterans is undercut by official Navy records and the men's own statements.

Several of those now declaring Mr. Kerry "unfit" had lavished praise on him, some as recently as last year.

In an unpublished interview in March 2003 with Mr. Kerry's authorized biographer, Douglas Brinkley, provided by Mr. Brinkley to The New York Times, Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group, allowed that he had disagreed with Mr. Kerry's antiwar positions but said, "I am not going to say anything negative about him." He added, "He's a good man."

In a profile of the candidate that ran in The Boston Globe in June 2003, Mr. Hoffmann approvingly recalled the actions that led to Mr. Kerry's Silver Star: "It took guts, and I admire that."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/p...20swift.html?th

Ouch!

This has gotta hurt if you're Unka Karl or Herr ChimpenFuhrer.

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[QUOTE]In an unpublished interview in March 2003 with Mr. Kerry's authorized biographer, Douglas Brinkley, provided by Mr. Brinkley to The New York Times, Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group, allowed that he had disagreed with Mr. Kerry's antiwar positions but said, In an unpublished interview in March 2003 with Mr. Kerry's authorized biographer, Douglas Brinkley, provided by Mr. Brinkley to The New York Times, Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group, allowed that he had disagreed with Mr. Kerry's antiwar positions but said, "I am not going to say anything negative about him." [quote]

Ok, we have a Rear Admiral stating that he wasn't going to say anything negative about him. Sounds like Scott Peterson's Mother. :twokisses

Your talking about a Rear Admiral who doesn't want to get caught up in it and Kerry's Biographer, who has so many lies and embellishments in that book that many will not even be uncovered.

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Reminder:

During the Vietnam war, Bush famously used his father's connections to get a posting as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard because it was filled with the sons of privilege. After refusing to submit to a routine drug test, he was suspended and never flew again. He got himself transferred to the Alabama National Guard, but didn't turn up for his tour of duty. Since then, he has withheld his full military records. Now he encourages smears that a genuine war hero has lied about his service and is a coward.

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Your going to love today's Ad LABF.

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Bush has to "impugn his opponent's manhood" because he is so unsure of his own.

How could anyone not be disgusted by his "ask President Bush" rallies? These rallies remind me of holy roller tent revivals.. The only difference is that the people at the tent revivals are worshipping God, whereas the people attending a Bush rally are worshipping Bush. I'm revolted by this half-wit we have to call the president. He's like a nasty, spoiled little kid who always gets his way.

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Bush has to "impugn his opponent's manhood" because he is so unsure of his own.

Your going into hysterics. Now Bush is doing what again? Your the one handing out insults ad nauseum.

[/QUOTE] I'm revolted, repelled and reviled by this by this half-wit we have to call the president.[/quote]

BTW, your starting to studder in text.

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Bush's Military Records Fail to Dispel AWOL Charges

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5761856

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some of President Bush's missing Air National Guard records during the Vietnam War years, previously said to be destroyed, turned up on Friday but offered no new evidence to dispel charges by Democrats that he was absent without leave.

His whereabouts during his service as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard in the United States during the Vietnam War have become an election-year issue. Bush's Democratic presidential challenger, John Kerry, is a decorated Vietnam War veteran.

The Pentagon, which had announced two weeks ago that the payroll records had been accidentally destroyed, blamed a clerical error for previous failure to find them.

In May 1972, Bush moved to Alabama to work on a political campaign and, he has said, to perform his Guard service there for a year. But other Guard officers have said they have no recollection of ever seeing him there.

Bush was the son of a U.S. congressman at a time when National Guard service was seen as a way for the privileged to avoid being drafted for Vietnam War duty.

Questions over his record resurfaced this year as Bush sought, in the midst of the Iraq war, to cast himself as a "war president" in his drive to win reelection on Nov. 2.

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BUSH A NO-SHOW AT ALABAMA BASE, SAYS MEMPHIAN

Pilot Bob Mintz, backed up by a Carolina colleague, recalls no Dubya at Dannelly AFB in 1972.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/content.asp?ID=2834&onthefly=1

MEMPHIS – Two members of the Air National Guard unit that President George W. Bush allegedly served with as a young Guard flyer in 1972 had been told to expect him and were on the lookout for him. He never showed, however; of that both Bob Mintz and Paul Bishop are certain.The question of Bush’s presence in 1972 at Dannelly Air National Guard base in Montgomery, Alabama – or the lack of it – has become an issue in the 2004 presidential campaign.Recalls Memphian Mintz, now 62: “I remember that I heard someone was coming to drill with us from Texas. And it was implied that it was somebody with political influence. I was a young bachelor then. I was looking for somebody to prowl around with.” But, says Mintz, that “somebody” -- better known to the world now as the president of the United States -- never showed up at Dannelly in 1972. Nor in 1973, nor at any time that Mintz, a FedEx pilot now and an Eastern Airlines pilot then, when he was a reserve first lieutenant at Dannelly, can remember. “And I was looking for him,” repeated Mintz, who said that he assumed that Bush “changed his mind and went somewhere else” to do his substitute drill. It was not “somewhere else,” however, but the 187th Air National Guard Tactical squadron at Dannelly to which the young Texas flyer had requested transfer from his regular Texas unit – the reason being Bush’s wish to work in Alabama on the ultimately unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign of family friend Winton "Red" Blount.

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From A Guardsman...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A27178-2004Feb9&notFound=true

During the Vietnam War, I was what filmmaker Michael Moore would call a "deserter." Along with President Bush and countless other young men, I joined the National Guard, did my six months of active duty (basic training, etc.) and then returned to my home unit, where I eventually dropped from sight. In the end, just like President Bush, I got an honorable discharge. But unlike President Bush, I have just told the truth about my service. He hasn't.

...Nothing about Bush during that period -- not his drinking, not his partying -- suggests that he was a consistently conscientious member of the Texas or Alabama Air National Guard. As it happens, there are no records to show that Bush reported for duty during the summer and fall of 1972. Nonetheless, Bush insists he was where he was supposed to be -- "Otherwise I wouldn't have been honorably discharged," Bush told Tim Russert.

Please, sir, don't make me laugh.

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A republican donates $150,000 to the SBVFT and the President is damned.

A President responds to an attack on U.S. soil (after 8 years of another President with at least 4 different attacks on U.S. soil) and is now being second guessed by people that have no clue as to what he did and when he did it. He is damned by the democratic party, they then proceed to tell the people of the country what they would have done in that situation. What they leave out is that they have 3 years of 20/20 hindsight vision to make their decision on, not a few days. (And they all agreed with the Republican President at the time he made the decisions to do what was done.) And he is still damned.

A democrat donates $5,000,000 to moveon.org and it's OK.

An idiot makes a movie filled with distortions and simple minded people believe the lies, but it's OK.

A Presidential candidate lies so many times that he can't remember what he said and eventually comes up with 4 different accounts of the same stories, but' it's OK.

What's wrong with this picture?

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From A Guardsman...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A27178-2004Feb9&notFound=true

During the Vietnam War, I was what filmmaker Michael Moore would call a "deserter." Along with President Bush and countless other young men, I joined the National Guard, did my six months of active duty (basic training, etc.) and then returned to my home unit, where I eventually dropped from sight. In the end, just like President Bush, I got an honorable discharge. But unlike President Bush, I have just told the truth about my service. He hasn't.

...Nothing about Bush during that period -- not his drinking, not his partying -- suggests that he was a consistently conscientious member of the Texas or Alabama Air National Guard. As it happens, there are no records to show that Bush reported for duty during the summer and fall of 1972. Nonetheless, Bush insists he was where he was supposed to be -- "Otherwise I wouldn't have been honorably discharged," Bush told Tim Russert.

Please, sir, don't make me laugh.

Seems as if you all have labled GWB as a deserter from a "reserve" component. How many of you have a clue as to what a deserter is and what constitutes desertion? When can a 'reserve/guardsman' be charged with desertion? How are drills adjudicated when a member misses a drill. What were the directives for 'reserves/guardsmen' during the time frame that you are accusing GWB of being a deserter?

Just from my memory a member of the armed forces can only be charged with desertion if he is in an active role in the military. Reserves only serve two days a month (desertion here is not warranted nor charged for missing) and two weeks a year (desertion here is possible, but the person has to leave their "post" with the intent of never returning.

GWB was never in that situation.

Your assertions that GWB was in rehab indicates that you have bought in to the drug comments that have floated around. The military did not have a drug screening program for illicit drugs until the 80's. The drug screening used in the late 60's and early 70's were used to find members that had become adicted to morphine, and other of the same family of drugs used to ease pain when wounded.

or

If you are pointing to the alcohol problem that he had, it is a non issue as he disclosed the fact that he was an alcoholic.

How about attacking the real issues of the campaign? The ability for one candidate to lie consistantly about his history and the job that has been done by the one actually working for the people of the United States? GWB might not be your favorite President, but would you have rather had Algore? We wouldn't have responded to the attacks of 9/11 if he had been president, hell he would still be claiming to have invented the internet!

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Seems as if you all have labled GWB as a deserter from a "reserve" component. How many of you have a clue as to what a deserter is and what constitutes desertion? When can a 'reserve/guardsman' be charged with desertion? How are drills adjudicated when a member misses a drill. What were the directives for 'reserves/guardsmen' during the time frame that you are accusing GWB of being a deserter?

Just from my memory a member of the armed forces can only be charged with desertion if he is in an active role in the military. Reserves only serve two days a month (desertion here is not warranted nor charged for missing) and two weeks a year (desertion here is possible, but the person has to leave their "post" with the intent of never returning.

GWB was never in that situation.

Your assertions that GWB was in rehab indicates that you have bought in to the drug comments that have floated around. The military did not have a drug screening program for illicit drugs until the 80's. The drug screening used in the late 60's and early 70's were used to find members that had become adicted to morphine, and other of the same family of drugs used to ease pain when wounded.

or

If you are pointing to the alcohol problem that he had, it is a non issue as he disclosed the fact that he was an alcoholic.

How about attacking the real issues of the campaign? The ability for one candidate to lie consistantly about his history and the job that has been done by the one actually working for the people of the United States? GWB might not be your favorite President, but would you have rather had Algore? We wouldn't have responded to the attacks of 9/11 if he had been president, hell he would still be claiming to have invented the internet!

The answers to some of the questions you pose in this post can be found on this webpage.

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

Oh... and that last sentence of your post is pure, unadulterated speculation... :P

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A republican donates $150,000 to the SBVFT and the President is damned.

A President responds to an attack on U.S. soil (after 8 years of another President with at least 4 different attacks on U.S. soil) and is now being second guessed by people that have no clue as to what he did and when he did it. He is damned by the democratic party, they then proceed to tell the people of the country what they would have done in that situation. What they leave out is that they have 3 years of 20/20 hindsight vision to make their decision on, not a few days. (And they all agreed with the Republican President at the time he made the decisions to do what was done.) And he is still damned.

A democrat donates $5,000,000 to moveon.org and it's OK.

An idiot makes a movie filled with distortions and simple minded people believe the lies, but it's OK.

A Presidential candidate lies so many times that he can't remember what he said and eventually comes up with 4 different accounts of the same stories, but' it's OK.

What's wrong with this picture?


But did moveon.org start airing ads aimed at BushII's "war record" before or after Bush's proxies started their character assassination against Kerry, who was undoubtedly both a volunteer and still has shrapnel? Seriously, that's a question. I don't know. My recollection is that moveon.org and the Boss's actions were aimed at BushII's RECORD as potus, ie they don't like his policies on defense, the enviro, the budget and soc services. But did they char assassinate on ****e that happened 35 years ago before, or after, BushII did?

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Another point is that Kerry has come out and condemned moveon.org's Bush ads regarding his service (or lack there-of). Time for the president to do the same.

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A President responds to an attack on U.S. soil...

It would be more accurate and honest to say "the worst attack on US soil happened on a *president's watch because that *president ignored multiple warnings of an imminent attack, and because that *president's administration did not make counterterrorism any sort of priority."

(after 8 years of another President with at least 4 different attacks on U.S. soil)

"At least 4?"

How many rocks did you have to smoke to make that number look real?

And what's up with the "at least" part? You sound unsure of yourself.

Once again, it would be more accurate and honest for you to acknowledge that only 34 Americans died from terrorism (mostly overseas) on Clinton's eight-year watch, while the Smirking Chimp lost how many thousands in his first year alone?

You also neglected to mention the numerous attacks that were prevented by our last democratically elected president.

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Kerry filing suit with FEC on Swiftboat ads

Breaking on CNN. Says Bush Campaign is behind them. Filing a lawsuit.

...The complaint was filed against Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. It states that "based on recent press reports and SBVT's own statements there is overwhelming evidence that SBVT is coordinating its expenditures on advertising and other activities designed to influence the presidential election with the Bush-Cheney campaign..."

http://tinyurl.com/595cp

It shifts the discussion on all the whore networks. Now, the question becomes "Was the Bush Campaign behind these ads?" instead of "Are these ads true?"

Or at least it should.

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U.S. Vets Make Case for Kerry in Vietnam

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-5/1093023590179210.xml&storylist=politics

This says it all.

The men had nothing good to say about Bush, who served stateside in the Texas Air National Guard during the war.

"The guy doesn't deserve to be called a veteran or a patriot or anything else," said John Lancaster, of Hamburg, N.Y., who lost the use of his legs after being shot near Hue in 1968.

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But did moveon.org start airing ads aimed at BushII's "war record" before or after Bush's proxies started their character assassination against Kerry, who was undoubtedly both a volunteer and still has shrapnel?

No they didn't. As I pointed out, there are 17 operatives including his wife on that 527. Why not get a clue, Swifites have 1 million, Moveon.org has 170 million.

Seriously, that's a question. I don't know.
Damn right it's a question.

My recollection is that moveon.org and the Boss's actions were aimed at BushII's RECORD as potus, ie they don't like his policies on defense, the enviro, the budget and soc services. But did they char assassinate on ****e that happened 35 years ago before, or after, BushII did?

You have to be kidding me. First, it wasn't the Bush Campaign that made Kerry PattonII. I can go thru the issues, but our allready running. First, Kerry seems to think he can "restablish the allies". That's all done and done years ago. The enviro? This is literally hillarious. Our refineries are producing in record amounts and do you hear anything from Kerry to increase refinery capacity? Jesus Christ.

Are you done?

Have you even listened to the happy happy doh doh platform where eveyone gets their piece of the pie while he raises taxes?

Do you honestly have a clue?

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Isn't this timely?

Gigglekill finally denounces the Smear Boat Pond Scum ads just when his own ties to the group are exposed by the NY Times and other news sources.

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ANOTHER Bush/SBV connection found

The president spoke on a day when Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, in another indication of its web of ties to the Republican Party, acknowledged that a woman who helped set it up and works for it is an officer of the Majority Leader's Fund, a political action committee affiliated with the former House majority leader Dick Armey of Texas.

The name of the woman, Susan Arceneaux, is given as the contact person on the post office box that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth lists as its address. She is treasurer of the Majority Leader's Fund. Records show that like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group receives significant financing from Bob Perry, a Texan who has long supported Mr. Bush, and his company, as well as Sam and Charles Wyly, prominent Texas Republican donors. Sam Wyly, under the name "Republicans for Clean Air,'' took out advertisements in 2000 criticizing the environmental record of Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona.

Mr. Perry has donated $200,000 to the Swift boat group, records show, and Merrie Spaeth, a Republican strategist who has been advising the Swift boat group, was a spokeswoman for Sam Wyly's advertising campaign in 2000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/politics/campaign/24s...