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watermock
08-17-2004, 05:12 PM
I said this over a year ago. Why the Bush Campaign hasn't raised it is strategic, not political.

Saddam agents on Syria border helped move banned materials


By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Saddam Hussein periodically removed guards on the Syrian border and replaced them with his own intelligence agents who supervised the movement of banned materials between the two countries, U.S. investigators have discovered.
The recent discovery by the Bush administration's Iraq Survey Group (ISG) is fueling speculation, but is not proof, that the Iraqi dictator moved prohibited weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into Syria before the March 2003 invasion by a U.S.-led coalition.

Two defense sources told The Washington Times that the ISG has interviewed Iraqis who told of Saddam's system of dispatching his trusted Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) to the border, where they would send border inspectors away.
The shift was followed by the movement of trucks in and out of Syria suspected of carrying materials banned by U.N. sanctions. Once the shipments were made, the agents would leave and the regular border guards would resume their posts.
"If you leave it to border guards, then the border guards could stop the trucks and extract their 10 percent, just like the mob would do," said a Pentagon official who asked not to be named. "Saddam's family was controlling the black market, and it was a good opportunity for them to make money."
Sources said Saddam and his family grew rich from this black market and personally dispatched his dreaded intelligence service to the border to make sure the shipments got through.
The ISG is a 1,400-member team organized by the Pentagon and CIA to hunt for Saddam's suspected stockpiles of WMD, such as chemical and biological agents. So far, the search has failed to find such stockpiles, which were the main reason for President Bush ordering the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam.
But there is evidence of unusually heavy truck traffic into Syria in the days before the attack, and with it, speculation that some of the trucks contained the banned weapons.
"Of course, it's always suspicious," the Pentagon official said.
The source said the ISG has confirmed the practice of IIS agents going to the border. Investigators also have heard from Iraqi sources that this maneuver was done days before the war at a time of brisk cross-border movements.
That particular part of the disclosures has not been positively confirmed, the officials said, although it dovetails with Saddam's system of switching guards at a time when contraband was shipped.
The United States spotted the heavy truck traffic via satellite imagery before the war. But spy cameras cannot look through truck canopies, and the ISG has not been able to determine whether any weapons were sent to Syria for hiding.
In an interview in October, retired Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper Jr., who heads the U.S. agency that processes and analyzes satellite imagery, said he thinks that Saddam's underlings hid banned weapons of mass destruction before the war.
"I think personally that those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to some extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence," said Gen. Clapper, who heads the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. "I'll call it an 'educated hunch.' "
He added, "I think probably in the few months running up prior to the onset of combat that I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private homes, move documentation and materials out of the country. I think there are any number of things that they would have done."
Of activity on the Syrian border, Gen. Clapper said, "There is no question that there was a lot of traffic, increase in traffic up to the immediate onset of combat and certainly during Iraqi Freedom. ... The obvious conclusion one draws is the sudden upturn, uptick in traffic which may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq and unquestionably, I'm sure, material as well."
He also said, "Based on what we saw prior to the onset of hostilities, we certainly felt there were indications of WMD activity. ... Actually knowing what is going on inside a building is quite a different thing than, say, this facility may well be a place where there may be WMD."
The Iraq Survey Group, which periodically briefs senior officials and Congress, is due to deliver its next report in September. In addition to interviewing hundreds of Iraqis, the ISG has collected and cataloged millions of pages of documents, not all of which have been fully examined.
Although Syria and Iraq competed for influence in the region, they shared the same Ba'athist socialist ideology and maintained close ties at certain government levels. The United States accused Syria during the war of harboring some of Saddam's inner circle.

watermock
08-17-2004, 05:15 PM
A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian sites
06 January, 2004

AFP

Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper “De Telegraaf,” that he knows the three sites where Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places are:



click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria

-1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels.

-2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are stored there.

-3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of Homs city.

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Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.

In February 2003, a month before America's invasion in Iraq, very few are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation.
Nayouf, who has won prizes for journalistic integrity, says he wrote his letter because he has terminal cancer.

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First Message from the Syrian source to Nizar Nayouf

First messages from a Syrian Source, WMD Location
"Dear Nizar.

We received confirmations that the Iraqi weapons, which were moved to Syria by the help of General Zoul-Himla Chalich are now hidden in three places inside Syria:

First place: a tunnel dug in the mountain close to the Al-Baïdah village, which is roughly two kilometers from Misyaf village. This place is under the 489 Safety cipher Documents' office control .

Second place: the factory of the Air Armed Forces in the village of Tal Sinan, between the town of Hama and Salamiyyah. This factory is under the Air Force control.

Third place: the location of Shinsar, 40 kilometers south of Homs, two kilometers east of the Homs - Damascus road. There are underground tunnels there, controlled by Brigade 661 of the armed air Forces. It is a Brigade of air Patrol. The tunnels are several tens of meters deep.

The weapons were transported in large wooden cases and barrels, under the supervision of the General Zoul-Himla Chalich and the son of his brother Assef, who works at Al-Bachaer company.

The company is owned by the Assad family and has offices in Beirut, Damascus and Baghdad.

This company also undertook the illegal Iraqi oil importation in Syria, and supplied weapons to Saddam. I will try to send you all the new information as i get .

Take care and be safe."


Second Message to Nizar Nayuf

Second messages from a Syrian Source, WMD Location
"Dear Nizar.

I have sent you another chart of the positions which tells where the weapons which were sent from Iraq into Syria, are hidden. Because the preceding chart that I sent you earlier is not clear.

Until now, the authorities in Syria did not worry of what was being published by the Dutch television news about this subject.

New information: The weapons were evacuated by the means of ambulances. Mohammed Mansoura also took part in the operation.

There are other serious, detailed pieces of information concerning the money of Saddam being moved into Syria and into Lebanon and those who took part in moving it - Syrians and Lebanese.Also there are more details about the assassination of the General Moustapha Tajer which took place last summer.

Take care of yourself.

Damascus, January 7, 2004."


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Western spies: Syria storing WMD in Sudan
Washington Times, DC - Apr 8, 2004
... of mass destruction components to Sudan so they won't be detected anywhere in Syria . ... to face heavy US and international pressure to open its WMD facilities in ...


SYRIA SMUGGLES MISSILES, WMD TO SUDAN
Middle East Newsline, Middle East - Apr 8, 2004
LONDON [MENL] -- Syria's Defense Ministry has been smuggling missile and weapons of mass ... Scud C and Scud D extended-range missiles as well as WMD components to ...


Iraq minister says Saddam's WMD carefully hidden
Reuters AlertNet -29 Jan 2004
... Iraq's foreign minister said on Thursday Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, which inspectors have failed to find, were carefully hidden but Hoshiyar Zebari said he was confident they could be discovered.

Syria Role On Iraqi Arms Is Studied(Washington Post)

Sent to Syria?(FOX NEWS)

WMD in Syria: Kay
Winnipeg Sun, Canada -
... to Syria shortly before last year's US invasion of Iraq ... officials that a lot of material
went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD ...
Powell: Possible Iraq May Have Had No WMD - Miami Herald
WMD row: Kay's resignation sparks controversy - NDTV.com
and more »

Conflicting statements on Iraq WMD issue
CTV, Canada -
... on weapons of mass destruction," said Hoshyar Zebari, Iraq's ... who would have had direct
knowledge of any WMD ... or some of them are still sitting somewhere in Syria ...
Frontline: Chasing Saddam's Weapons - Washington Post
and more »

Former US weapons search team chief says Iraq's WMD in Syria
Albawaba Middle East News, Middle East -
... Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq ... before the war, including some components
of Saddam's WMD ... Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened ...
Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief - Telegraph.co.uk
Kay says some Iraq weapons in Syria: report - ABC Online
Iraqi weapons sent to Syria: Kay - The Age
and more »

Iraq WMD's in Syria...
Crosswalk.com -
WORLD NET DAILY today breaking the story of the unlocked mystery
of where the WMD's had gone. Many months ago, military experts ...


Top US Senator: Iraq WMD May Have Gone to Syria
Washington Post, DC - Jan 21, 2004
... vowed to carry on searching for such arms in Iraq. ... I think that there is some concern
that shipments of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) went to Syria ...


Fears Iraq WMD may have gone to Syria
Reuters, UK - Jan 21, 2004
... I think that there is some concern that shipments of WMD (weapons of mass destruction)
went to Syria." He did not elaborate. Syria, which borders Iraq, has in ...


Fears Iraq WMD may have gone to Syria
swissinfo, Switzerland - Jan 21, 2004
... think that there is some concern that shipments of WMD (weapons of mass destruction)
went to Syria." He. ... in the international community over the Iraq war. ...


Top US Senator says Iraq WMD may have gone to Syria
Khaleej Times, United Arab Emirates - Jan 21, 2004
... I think that there is some concern that shipments of WMD (weapons of mass destruction)
went to Syria.” He did not elaborate. Syria, which borders Iraq, has ...


Chaos Under Heaven, and More to Come
Inter Press Service (subscription), World - 13 hours ago
... administration ally, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, also suggested
this week that Iraq's alleged WMD stockpiles were transported to Syria ...

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

watermock
08-17-2004, 05:16 PM
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http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html

watermock
08-17-2004, 05:22 PM
http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd/al-safir-dg-11.jpg

Some have been further hidden into the Sudan.

alkemical
08-17-2004, 05:27 PM
wow mock does more to justify the war than bush does

watermock
08-17-2004, 05:56 PM
Yeah. Well. This information was leaked to me by Beezlebub. I put him in a suitcase for damascus with a hidden inside release. He faxed me the info thru the Israelis. He should be coming in soon, let me check the back patio....it's getting a little chilly for him...

Needa Pass Rush
08-17-2004, 05:57 PM
Yeah. Well. This information was leaked to me by Beezlebub. I put him in a suitcase for damascus with a hidden inside release. He faxed me the info thru the Israelis.

Don't tell me.... the cat-paddle? zowie!

watermock
08-17-2004, 08:02 PM
Actually, now that he has jumped a 747's cargo hold and safe and sound the real story can be told. I dropped him off in Minneapolis where he was hidden in a common suitcase with appropriate rebreathers. Using his paw he clicked the suitcase open and used his Deion Sanderslike moves to escape out of Turkey and move his way south to Syria, generally eating roadside vermin.

Once in Damascus, he quickly snatched the documents into his mouth and took off like a ghost in the night...dodging bullests left and right, he jumped 10 feet into a cargo hold to Greece This was the roughest part as he had to use his last rebreather. At that point, without many options, he decided the only logical tactic. To feed off greek mice in the bottom of the tanker. Beezlebub never wants to eat anyother Gyro in his life.

watermock
08-18-2004, 03:01 AM
Not one comment LABF?

Needa Pass Rush
08-18-2004, 06:32 AM
With the new ignore features he can't even see this thread. He'll grow board of arguing with himself and release you from the ignore cell soon, Mock.

watermock
08-18-2004, 08:53 PM
Like I care. Whiners like this come and go. He's up at the top of the forum complaining how the rug has been cut from underneath him like a true dimwit. He's talking about the DPO and it's demise and doesn't have clue one how it happened.

Needa Pass Rush
08-18-2004, 08:58 PM
I see that. It's amusing that he had the same mantra over there (apparently).

I want to know where all that hate comes from. Do you suppose he is really Michael Moore? ;D

watermock
08-19-2004, 12:03 AM
Michael Moore is able to bank millions feeding off this base. I have seen him belly laugh when confronted with the truth. He will not defend his works as documentaries. That won't stop him from making accusations when not confronted. He's a classic coward that's wardrobe is a joke. The whole thing is just sad honestly.

I bother with the fool almost every day. He can't name anything in reality other than we are battling terrorists and we are in a flat spot in the economy. I remember the Carter administration. We had 21 percent interest rates, no growth, a hostage crisis and inflation at 19 percent.

I do remember the Germans rescuing the Iranian Hostages tho.

Traveler
08-19-2004, 10:16 AM
I said this over a year ago. Why the Bush Campaign hasn't raised it is strategic, not political.

Mock-

Just interested to hear why you think it's strategic. No arguments, just your opinion. If (and that's a big IF) indeed it is true, why not announce it now? Could it be they can't verify it? Sorry I digress!

I do agree that it might be a strategic move for the Bush Campaign. Wondering if we are both in agreement on why it is a strategic move...

Broncomutt
08-19-2004, 11:39 AM
Interesting article, though if Intelligence was off before, why should we believe them now? I'm sure Bush supporters hope it's true, as a moderate I would be a little skeptical. Sorry, but the amount of WMD he was purported to have doesn't just get smuggled across the border overnight like a couple pounds of pot. Though the photos and drawings were a nice touch.

In any event, if it's true that means the WMD are in Syria. So we attack Syria next?

Bottom line, Bush failed in his attempt to seize these weapons, real or imagined.

Traveler
08-19-2004, 12:01 PM
Interesting article, though if Intelligence was off before, why should we believe them now? I'm sure Bush supporters hope it's true, as a moderate I would be a little skeptical. Sorry, but the amount of WMD he was purported to have doesn't just get smuggled across the border overnight like a couple pounds of pot. Though the photos and drawings were a nice touch.

In any event, if it's true that means the WMD are in Syria. So we attack Syria next?

Bottom line, Bush failed in his attempt to seize these weapons, real or imagined.

Exactly! Thing is the intelligence wasn't off, it just got skewed to justify the occupation of Iraq.