Repub Convention: "Preachers and Patriots"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oy vey. That's their theme. Their base must be really shaky. People from all over the country will offer "benedictions" (I'll bet they'll be offering up lotsa prayers for little Georgie). And they've hired a guy from the Christian Music Industry to produce their entertainment. They admit they're having a tough time finding entertainers who are willing to put their lives on the line by appearing for Bush.

This is going to be some fun.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/10/nyregion/10gop.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I hope they really do up the benediction thing.

I hope the delegates are down on their knees praying every 15 minutes. It'll creep the heck out of mainstream America. And also impart an air of desperation.

They are down to their base ... and they can't even get Ron Silver to appear with them! Ha ha. He doesn't support Bush on "social issues."

And their band will have "sought-after" studio musicians. LOL

If they're talking about Kerry 'non-bounce' (I know, I know), wait 'til the Repubs fill their 3 hours with this.

That organizer really sounds pathetic, making excuses for why nobody wants to appear at the damn thing.

Bush will be lucky if his numbers don't go down after the convention.

When it comes time for the GOP convention, expect them to unearth some more BS about terror threats about 3 days prior. This will give them total control of the area and a carte blanche to post massive firepower on every street corner. They will now pander for the sympathy of the public by appearing to soldier on despite the dangerous circumstances. The media will trip over themselves glamorizing how brave and patriotic the repugs are, dodging them terrists bullets and bombs, and poison gas, and death rays.

I Can't wait to hear Brittney Spears singing "I'm not that innocent" in her skimpy outfits at the RNC. I'm sure all the moralists will be boogying down to Brittney.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush's "band of brothers"

Karl Rove is counting on the more than 4 million evangelical Christian voters that didn't turn out in 2000 to put Bush over the top this year. Will a revivified Promise Keepers movement help drive voters to the polls?

High-profile rock-stars and a large band of Hollywood entertainers are pledging their time and money to help defeat President George W. Bush in November. Karl Rove, the president's chief political advisor, is looking to the GOP's traditional base - fundamentalist evangelical Christians - to put Bush over the top this year. Will a revivified and politically-focused men's movement from the 1990s bail Bush Out?

In mid-May, when conservative organizations were heavily courting African American religious leaders - to discredit the argument that same-sex marriage was a civil rights issue - Thomas Fortson, the African American appointed to lead Promise Keepers last October, eagerly joined the chorus. "It would be a historical error to equate the civil rights struggle for racial equality with the movement for civil accommodations based solely upon sexual behavior," Fortson said in a letter of support sent to the "Not On My Watch" committee, which was organizing a May 22 rally of African American pastors on the steps of the Arlington, Texas, City Hall.

With the presidential election less than three months away, the Promise Keepers, the men's movement that took the nation by storm in the 1990s, appears to be shedding its carefully crafted apolitical veneer and jumping into the political fray.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/19497/

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[Hogan11]

Big doses of religion, Rush like commentary and C&W...whoa boy, where do I sign up?? ::)

Just watching this Prude fest is going to be a challenge for me...luckily pre-season football should be around if this thing gets too sickening

[Southern Bronco]

Interesting. The NYTimes article doesn't mention "big doses of religion", Hogan. Did you read the article or just LABF's cut/paste description of it? The article actually focuses on the entertainment aspect of the RNC.

Examples from the article: "He said yesterday that he expected the convention to be heavy with gospel, country and Broadway music, and with patriotic music"

Hmm. Heavy with 4 types of music. Didn't I hear "Amazing Grace" at the DNC? Musta been a heavy dose of religion there, too?

"Mr. Breeden described some challenges in trying to find celebrities for the G.O.P. event. He said that on many occasions he found there were entertainers who supported the president, or Republican ideas, but who felt their careers would be hurt if they made that support public. Mr. Breeden identified the actor Ron Silver as someone who expressed that opinion to him, although Mr. Silver said that was not exactly the case."

The leftist elite's famous bigotry against diverse ideas, as evidenced daily by LABF. And Silver covering his ass because he still wants to work in Hollywood.

"Finally, Mr. Breeden said he found himself competing with the many parties that are being held by politicians, elected officials, lobbyists and corporations. Many have booked performers who might otherwise have appeared at the convention. He said he heard there were as many as 400 parties organized for convention week."

I guess all of the parties will be either at churches or lynchings, according to LABF's masters.

[watermock]

Gee Wiz.

When did praying for the United States become a joke?

[freak6]

Separation of Church and State-------WTF is that???

[Mile High Shack]

Separation of Church and State-------WTF is that???

LOL that isn't even close to that........

if you understood anything you'd know that means the state can't create a state sponsered church...........duh

[Hogan11]

Interesting. The NYTimes article doesn't mention "big doses of religion", Hogan. Did you read the article or just LABF's cut/paste description of it? The article actually focuses on the entertainment aspect of the RNC


Examples from the article: "He said yesterday that he expected the convention to be heavy with gospel, country and Broadway music, and with patriotic music".

Just what the hell is gospel music anyway SB? What the hell does a theme like "Preachers and Patriots" convey to you? Invocations, benedictions.......oh yeah, no big doses here ::)

Hmm. Heavy with 4 types of music. Didn't I hear "Amazing Grace" at the DNC? Musta been a heavy dose of religion there, too?"

Really, there's a bit of this in every convention...the difference will be in the amount and this is shaping up to be like the 96 one....or in other words, just this side of a loony tent revival meeting.

If you're into this type of thing then that's your deal....but for me, nothing drives me further away then that stuff....well, that coupled with C&W, gospel and Broadway show tunes..genres I really don't care for at all. I don't enjoy being preached to, ever....I'd be surprised if anyone does.....for a party in a close election trying to court independent/third party voters who may make a difference overall, I'm surprised that they wouldn't try to go a bit more toned down and moderate at this thing.......all indications thus far is that they will not. IMO, that is a major miscalculation on their part.

"Mr. Breeden described some challenges in trying to find celebrities for the G.O.P. event. He said that on many occasions he found there were entertainers who supported the president, or Republican ideas, but who felt their careers would be hurt if they made that support public. Mr. Breeden identified the actor Ron Silver as someone who expressed that opinion to him, although Mr. Silver said that was not exactly the case."

This is nothing more than paranoid bullshat.

The leftist elite's famous bigotry against diverse ideas, as evidenced daily by LABF. And Silver covering his ass because he still wants to work in Hollywood.

I suppose the right has no "bigotry against diverse ideas" right? Geeze...the right and the word "diverse" shouldn't even be used in the same sentance.

[Mile High Shack]

I still have a hard time believing it will be "preachers and patriots"

both parties are trying to lean towards the middle to get votes.......just like the left tried to act as if they are strong on defense......

the right will try to act not so faith based.

[Hogan11]

Gee Wiz.

When did praying for the United States become a joke?

When they tried to take what once was a private matter and cram it down the rest of our throats at seemingly every turn.

Prayer should be a private and personal matter....not a bombastic public display...just my opinion.

[Southern Bronco]

I see you are still reading WAY more into that than is actually there, Hogan.

But the convention will present not only politicians and celebrities on each of its four days. People from around the country have been invited to offer an invocation or benediction or to make some other short statement, said Frank Breeden, the convention's director of entertainment, who called this aspect of the program "Preachers and Patriots."



Are you SURE you read the article? The theme is but ONE ASPECT of the program. Not the ENTIRE program. But go ahead and sieze on that one aspect if it makes you sleep better at night.

The rest of your rant is just, as you call it, "paranoid bull****", and doesn't deserve my time.

[Mile High Shack]

I see you are still reading WAY more into that than is actually there, Hogan.



Are you SURE you read the article? The theme is but ONE ASPECT of the program. Not the ENTIRE program. But go ahead and sieze on that one aspect if it makes you sleep better at night.

The rest of your rant is just, as you call it, "paranoid bull****", and doesn't deserve my time.

if the Dems can have Al Sharpton as a featured speaker....well........

[Rascal]

I think I've found the source of the decreasing literacy rate in America....LIBERALS!!

HAHA!!

[Hogan11]

I see you are still reading WAY more into that than is actually there, Hogan.

Are you SURE you read the article? The theme is but ONE ASPECT of the program. Not the ENTIRE program..

I don't believe I am and I've read the article, thank you very much...it's appeared all over the place, not just in the NY Times...here, I'll even post it for you since you seem to doubt me on that point:

G.O.P. Plans Spectacle to Jazz Up Convention
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Published: August 10, 2004


When the curtain goes up on the Republican National Convention on Aug. 30, the supporting cast will include gospel- and country-music performers, elaborate videos, and celebrities doing what they can to help market President Bush's ideas and vision for America, one of the convention's organizers said yesterday.

But the convention will present not only politicians and celebrities on each of its four days. People from around the country have been invited to offer an invocation or benediction or to make some other short statement, said Frank Breeden, the convention's director of entertainment, who called this aspect of the program "Preachers and Patriots."

Advertisement


The Republicans are hoping that their convention, in New York, can help give their candidate the significant bounce in the polls that eluded the Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry, after the convention in Boston. And so the party hired Mr. Breeden, a former president of the Gospel Music Association renowned in the Christian music industry, to help produce a show that carefully weaves the party's political message with a mix of music, star power and patriotic symbolism.

Republicans have generally been tight-lipped about convention details, but in an interview, Mr. Breeden gave some clues about what to expect. He said he has worked since November to help recruit celebrities to perform, give press interviews, attend parties or be otherwise visible at Madison Square Garden.

The goal, Mr. Breeden said, is to help market the party's political ideas.

"Entertainment plays more of a prominent role in marketing messages today than ever before," Mr. Breeden said in a telephone interview. And he said that the convention organizers wanted to employ those tools in selling their political philosophy: "Just like Cadillac uses Led Zeppelin to market its ideas."

From the very moment Republican officials chose New York City as the site of their convention for the first time in the party's history, convention organizers said they were trying to create a singular event. Some of the highlights are expected to be speeches from California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and from former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York.

Mr. Breeden said that the list of entertainers was complete and would be released soon by the public relations arm of the Committee on Arrangements, which is actually organizing the event. But he said that in addition to employing celebrities, the convention would rely heavily on videos to help makes its case.

"We have taken several different story points and used media to enhance them and communicate the message," Mr. Breeden said, using the language of convention organizers.

With networks cutting back on their coverage, Mr. Breeden said that organizers had their work cut out for them.

"Television is very competitive; convention television is even more competitive,'' Mr. Breeden said. "It is diminished coverage and even harder to get viewers to tune in. We have to think like television, use a large pallet of creative ideas to convey the message."

Mr. Breeden, who lives in Tennessee, has been spending weekdays in Manhattan helping pull together the convention, which is scheduled to run from Aug. 30 through Sept. 2. During his tenure at the head of the Christian music industry trade group, Mr. Breeden was credited with helping to expand the reach and sales of Christian music.

He said yesterday that he expected the convention to be heavy with gospel, country and Broadway music, and with patriotic music. He said there would be several renditions of the national anthem as well. And he said there would be a stage band made up entirely of some of the most sought-after studio musicians in New York City. Everyone is being paid union wages, he said.

Mr. Breeden said that during his months of work on the convention, he had run up against some obstacles that were surprising and others that he had expected.

After a career in the entertainment industry, Mr. Breeden said he knew well that many of the most outspoken performers do not support the Bush administration. "For whatever reason, on the Democratic side of things, the celebrities who have an affinity with that party tend to be more activist-oriented and tend to get headlines," he said.

Recently Bruce Springsteen and some other high-profile musicians announced a national tour to help defeat President Bush.

Mr. Breeden described some challenges in trying to find celebrities for the G.O.P. event. He said that on many occasions he found there were entertainers who supported the president, or Republican ideas, but who felt their careers would be hurt if they made that support public. Mr. Breeden identified the actor Ron Silver as someone who expressed that opinion to him, although Mr. Silver said that was not exactly the case.

"I have no direct evidence that my position on the war or my political leanings have hurt me in any way,'' Mr. Silver said, expressing support for the intervention in Iraq and saying, "Certainly the expression of my political viewpoint is unpopular."

He said that Mr. Breeden had informally asked him if he would be interested in some role at the convention, but that while he supported the president for re-election because of his foreign-policy position, he did not support his "social agenda."

"It depends on the nature of the involvement," Mr. Silver said. "If they said, 'We'd like you to talk about 9/11, from the lofty perch of history,' I'd be happy to do that."

Finally, Mr. Breeden said he found himself competing with the many parties that are being held by politicians, elected officials, lobbyists and corporations. Many have booked performers who might otherwise have appeared at the convention. He said he heard there were as many as 400 parties organized for convention week.

"This is a fascinating job," he said.

There...are we happy now?

But go ahead and sieze on that one aspect if it makes you sleep better at night.

It's one aspect that will be heavily emphasized...if you don't believe that, you're just plain fooling yourself.

The rest of your rant is just, as you call it, "paranoid bull****", and doesn't deserve my time.

Like you deserve any further of mine with your claptrap....

[freak6]

Stem Cell research is my point by stating

Seperation of Church and State.... WTF is that??

[freak6]

As Ron Reagan has said, Bush cornered himself in this.

How can he say some research is ok, but not on more lines. What, the new lines have more of a right to get thrown in the trash and go to cell heaven or hell (I don't know what happens to a few cells that go in the trash) rather than be used to possibly find cures for some of the worst diseases known to man.

Meanwhile, other countries have passed us up in the race to find these cures. The research on stem cell lines will go on, it is just to bad our dumbass "Commander in Chief" doesn't accept that fact and stop letting his Theocracy kill our lead in this exciting field.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/nick-malloy2.JPG

[Mile High Shack]

see that is spam......

[Rascal]

I don't believe I am and I've read the article, thank you very much...it's appeared all over the place, not just in the NY Times...here, I'll even post it for you since you seem to doubt me on that point:

G.O.P. Plans Spectacle to Jazz Up Convention
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

Published: August 10, 2004


When the curtain goes up on the Republican National Convention on Aug. 30, the supporting cast will include gospel- and country-music performers, elaborate videos, and celebrities doing what they can to help market President Bush's ideas and vision for America, one of the convention's organizers said yesterday.

But the convention will present not only politicians and celebrities on each of its four days. People from around the country have been invited to offer an invocation or benediction or to make some other short statement, said Frank Breeden, the convention's director of entertainment, who called this aspect of the program "Preachers and Patriots."
Advertisement


The Republicans are hoping that their convention, in New York, can help give their candidate the significant bounce in the polls that eluded the Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry, after the convention in Boston. And so the party hired Mr. Breeden, a former president of the Gospel Music Association renowned in the Christian music industry, to help produce a show that carefully weaves the party's political message with a mix of music, star power and patriotic symbolism.

Republicans have generally been tight-lipped about convention details, but in an interview, Mr. Breeden gave some clues about what to expect. He said he has worked since November to help recruit celebrities to perform, give press interviews, attend parties or be otherwise visible at Madison Square Garden.

The goal, Mr. Breeden said, is to help market the party's political ideas.

"Entertainment plays more of a prominent role in marketing messages today than ever before," Mr. Breeden said in a telephone interview. And he said that the convention organizers wanted to employ those tools in selling their political philosophy: "Just like Cadillac uses Led Zeppelin to market its ideas."

From the very moment Republican officials chose New York City as the site of their convention for the first time in the party's history, convention organizers said they were trying to create a singular event. Some of the highlights are expected to be speeches from California's governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and from former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York.

Mr. Breeden said that the list of entertainers was complete and would be released soon by the public relations arm of the Committee on Arrangements, which is actually organizing the event. But he said that in addition to employing celebrities, the convention would rely heavily on videos to help makes its case.

"We have taken several different story points and used media to enhance them and communicate the message," Mr. Breeden said, using the language of convention organizers.

With networks cutting back on their coverage, Mr. Breeden said that organizers had their work cut out for them.

"Television is very competitive; convention television is even more competitive,'' Mr. Breeden said. "It is diminished coverage and even harder to get viewers to tune in. We have to think like television, use a large pallet of creative ideas to convey the message."

Mr. Breeden, who lives in Tennessee, has been spending weekdays in Manhattan helping pull together the convention, which is scheduled to run from Aug. 30 through Sept. 2. During his tenure at the head of the Christian music industry trade group, Mr. Breeden was credited with helping to expand the reach and sales of Christian music.

He said yesterday that he expected the convention to be heavy with gospel, country and Broadway music, and with patriotic music. He said there would be several renditions of the national anthem as well. And he said there would be a stage band made up entirely of some of the most sought-after studio musicians in New York City. Everyone is being paid union wages, he said.

Mr. Breeden said that during his months of work on the convention, he had run up against some obstacles that were surprising and others that he had expected.

After a career in the entertainment industry, Mr. Breeden said he knew well that many of the most outspoken performers do not support the Bush administration. "For whatever reason, on the Democratic side of things, the celebrities who have an affinity with that party tend to be more activist-oriented and tend to get headlines," he said.

Recently Bruce Springsteen and some other high-profile musicians announced a national tour to help defeat President Bush.

Mr. Breeden described some challenges in trying to find celebrities for the G.O.P. event. He said that on many occasions he found there were entertainers who supported the president, or Republican ideas, but who felt their careers would be hurt if they made that support public. Mr. Breeden identified the actor Ron Silver as someone who expressed that opinion to him, although Mr. Silver said that was not exactly the case.

"I have no direct evidence that my position on the war or my political leanings have hurt me in any way,'' Mr. Silver said, expressing support for the intervention in Iraq and saying, "Certainly the expression of my political viewpoint is unpopular."

He said that Mr. Breeden had informally asked him if he would be interested in some role at the convention, but that while he supported the president for re-election because of his foreign-policy position, he did not support his "social agenda."

"It depends on the nature of the involvement," Mr. Silver said. "If they said, 'We'd like you to talk about 9/11, from the lofty perch of history,' I'd be happy to do that."

Finally, Mr. Breeden said he found himself competing with the many parties that are being held by politicians, elected officials, lobbyists and corporations. Many have booked performers who might otherwise have appeared at the convention. He said he heard there were as many as 400 parties organized for convention week.

"This is a fascinating job," he said.

There...are we happy now?



It's one aspect that will be heavily emphasized...if you don't believe that, you're just plain fooling yourself.



Like you deserve any further of mine with your claptrap....


Its only a part of the freaking convention!! READ THE BOLD!!!

And why does it matter to you anyway?

Obviously you aren't going to vote for Bush so why does it matter to you how they decide to have THEIR convention when it doesn't even apply to you!!!

I can't believe you guys are complaining allready about the convention and it hasn't even begun. Truly pathetic.

[Hogan11]

Its only a part of the freaking convention!! READ THE BOLD!!!.

Read my reply....It'll be strongly emphasized...have you ever seen the GOP ones in the 90's & 00? By your response, It appears that you haven't.


And why does it matter to you anyway?

I try to be fair and I'm not at all happy with the selection of Kerry. I watch these things and always have....but you believe what you wish.



Obviously you aren't going to vote for Bush so why does it matter to you how they decide to have THEIR convention when it doesn't even apply to you!!!

I can't believe you guys are complaining allready about the convention and it hasn't even begun. Truly pathetic.

As a third party voter in a close election, I'm interested in seeing how they'll try to win over a segment that will determine the election....and independent voters will determine it, no one can dispute that.

And what's this "complaining allready about the convention and it hasn't even begun" nonsense?? Wha? We can't comment on the released planning of the intinerary??

Talk about pathetic.

[Hogan11]

if the Dems can have Al Sharpton as a featured speaker....well........

Missed this yesterday...but for the record, I felt this was a mistake on the DNC's part as well.

If I'm running one of these conventions (either one) I'd keep the fringe guys off the prime time screen this year and try to keep things as moderate as possible in order to attract the third party voter. Placing Al Sharpton in a prime time slot and having anyone other than CSPAN cover his speech live was an error IMO....honestly, I can't see where it helped them to do that one iota.

[Rascal]

Read my reply....It'll be strongly emphasized...have you ever seen the GOP ones in the 90's & 00? By your response, It appears that you haven't.



I try to be fair and I'm not at all happy with the selection of Kerry. I watch these things and always have....but you believe what you wish.




As a third party voter in a close election, I'm interested in seeing how they'll try to win over a segment that will determine the election....and independent voters will determine it, no one can dispute that.

And what's this "complaining allready about the convention and it hasn't even begun" nonsense?? Wha? We can't comment on the released planning of the intinerary??

Talk about pathetic.

Third party voter!!! When was the last time you voted for a republican or anybody right of Clinton?

[Hogan11]

Third party voter!!! When was the last time you voted for a republican or anybody right of Clinton?

Reagan in 1984.....any further questions??

[Hogan11]

Top Evangelicals Still Await GOP Invite

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By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer

Some prominent evangelical Christians say they have not been invited to participate in or attend the Republican National Convention less than three weeks before the event is to begin.


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Analysts said the move likely reflects a GOP desire to sideline its more polarizing supporters during a tight presidential race, but convention organizers deny they're marginalizing the religious leaders. Republican strategist Ralph Reed said Wednesday that invitations just started going out to evangelical figures, but he would not release any names.


The Rev. Franklin Graham, who delivered the invocation at President Bush's inauguration, has had no request to attend so far, said Graham spokesman Mark DeMoss.


The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who offered a prayer at the 2000 convention, said he has not yet been asked to do so this year. He plans to go "quietly in and quietly out" of the New York event, although he insists no one in the Republican campaigns asked him to keep a low profile.


The Rev. Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition and a one-time Republican presidential candidate, said, "I've had no request from anybody to be there." Unlike Falwell, Robertson believes the GOP is deliberately keeping him and other evangelicals away.


"In the last convention, the thought was to keep all the conservatives out of sight," said Robertson, who has attended every Republican convention since 1988, but said he won't go this year. "The general thrust will be to entice the so-called independent moderates and I am not sure that there would be much reason for a conservative to be there."


Reed said the Republicans had employed no such strategy and said conservative Christians will have a central role at the convention, which is set to begin Aug. 30.


"There is a specific program under way to invite social conservatives and religious leaders of a very broad or diverse representations and that is even under way as we speak," Reed said.


Republicans are doing everything possible to turn out the evangelical vote, since conservative Christians are among Bush's core supporters. The president's chief political strategist, Karl Rove, has estimated that 4 million conservative Christians did not vote in 2000, and the campaign is working hard to prevent that from happening this Election Day.


Analysts say that denying a prominent spot to leaders such as Robertson or Falwell likely will not hurt this effort. John Green, an expert on religion and politics at the University of Akron, said that after years of activism in Republican campaigns, conservative Christians are now party insiders who may not require a specific religious appeal at the convention.


"Evangelicals are likely to be strongly represented at the convention, but within the ranks of the GOP and the Bush campaign," Green said. "Key movement leaders, like Ralph Reed and Gary Bauer, may well attend, but as party leaders, not evangelical figures."


Also, many evangelicals no longer look to Robertson or Falwell as their top representatives. A survey conducted last spring for PBS' "Religion & Ethics Newsweekly" and U.S. News & World Report found that less than half of evangelicals have a favorable view of Falwell, while only a slight majority view Robertson favorably.


"People who are not part of the religious right might be alienated if they put too many conservatives as the public face of the party," said Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University in Atlanta.


A more popular and influential evangelical, James Dobson of Focus on the Family, is not interested in attending the convention, his spokesman Paul Hetrick said. Dobson this year started a political action organization and said he will vote for Bush.


A spokeswoman for Bauer did not respond to requests for comment.


Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition, said she was not concerned about which evangelicals were invited because so many will be among the delegates and party leaders. This year, her organization will have a quieter presence at this convention. The group has dropped plans for a rally because of security concerns, she said.


"We'll have a huge presence there," she said. "We have the president."

[Rascal]

The last time you voted for a republican was in 84 and you consider yourself a person in the middle? Please.

The republican party is after the extremists right (just to make sure they get it), the middle right, and the middle middle. They know they have no chance of getting the left anything so why worry about it. And based upon your voting record I'm guessing you are not so moderate as you claim.

For your information I voted for Clinton against Dole.

[Hogan11]

The last time you voted for a republican was in 84 and you consider yourself a person in the middle? Please.

The republican party is after the extremists right (just to make sure they get it), the middle right, and the middle middle. They know they have no chance of getting the left anything so why worry about it. And based upon your voting record I'm guessing you are not so moderate as you claim.

For your information I voted for Clinton against Dole.

So...just because I haven't voted GOP since 1984 (it had a moderate progressive wing then BTW...something they wiped out in 1992 (mostly via Pat Buchanon, Pat Robertson and others) I can't consider myself a person in the middle?? Really Rascal.....you can't be serious with this stuff.

It's not my "voting record" (which you really have no clue as to what it is) that isn't so moderate...it's the GOP that isn't so moderate...they haven't been socially moderate since the early to mid 80's.....please enlighten me to what exactly they have been moderate on in that area because I can't think of a single thing.

For your information, I didn't vote for Clinton or Dole in 1996...I voted for Harry Browne, same as in 1992, same as in 2000 and if he was running this time, I'd vote for him again...he's a brilliant man and worth more than Kerry & W put together IMO.

[orangeatheist]

The last time you voted for a republican was in 84 and you consider yourself a person in the middle? Please.

The republican party is after the extremists right (just to make sure they get it), the middle right, and the middle middle. They know they have no chance of getting the left anything so why worry about it. And based upon your voting record I'm guessing you are not so moderate as you claim.

For your information I voted for Clinton against Dole.


Wow....even I voted for Dole! :)

[Rascal]

OA you voted for Dole?!?!?

I'm suprised to be honest.

I just didn't like Dole and I tolerated the job Clinton was doing.

[Rascal]

So...just because I haven't voted GOP since 1984 (it had a moderate progressive wing then BTW...something they wiped out in 1992 (mostly via Pat Buchanon, Pat Robertson and others) I can't consider myself a person in the middle?? Really Rascal.....you can't be serious with this stuff.

It's not my "voting record" (which you really have no clue as to what it is) that isn't so moderate...it's the GOP that isn't so moderate...they haven't been socially moderate since the early to mid 80's.....please enlighten me to what exactly they have been moderate on in that area because I can't think of a single thing.

For your information, I didn't vote for Clinton or Dole in 1996...I voted for Harry Browne, same as in 1992, same as in 2000 and if he was running this time, I'd vote for him again...he's a brilliant man and worth more than Kerry & W put together IMO.

Name more then one area in which you are a moderate?

socially moderate?

Well for one even Bush himself is somewhat opposed to equal rights for civil unions. Whereas kerry himself is nowhere near the middle on anything. If you are moderate, yeah right, then you would recognize that as far as being in the middle Bush is closer to the middle then Kerry but because of his war stance that is overshadowed.

Oh and Bush is against abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or to save women's life whereas kerry is totally for it. The extreme for Bush would be against it no matter what.

Bush is for affirmative action, but against quotas.

Bush supports ban on automatic weapons and background checks at gun laws.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Analysts said the move likely reflects a GOP desire to sideline its more polarizing supporters during a tight presidential race...

Yep.

In an effort to appeal to moderates and undecideds, they'll put non-threatening folks like Ah-nold and McCain out front--while hiding the real voices of the party (like Delay and the religious nutters) in the wings.

Maybe we'll get to see Herr Gropenator and Dennis Miller doing "Hans and Franz" while Brittney sings "I'm Not That Innocent" for the 700 Clubbers.

[Rascal]

How is that different from the democrats did?

You put out your best foot forward and try to get the vote that is key to the upcoming election.

I thought you were smarter then that, apparently not.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How is that different from the democrats did?

They gave Sharpton and Dennis K (hardly non-polarizing figures w/ moderate appeal) equal time.

You put out your best foot forward...

If Ah-nold and Brittney are their "best foot" then this ought to be funny!

I thought you were smarter then that

LOL @ the irony.

[Mile High Shack]

Al Sharpton has moderate appeal?

LOL what world do you live in?

[orinjkrush]

LOL that isn't even close to that........

if you understood anything you'd know that means the state can't create a state sponsered church...........duh

yeah, 'cept i still can't figure out how you separate "how you're supposed to behave" from "how you're supposed to behave". It doesn't make sense. hmmm...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Al Sharpton has moderate appeal?

I said he was "hardly a non-polarizing figure who has moderate appeal," genius.

what world do you live in?

Not the same WalMart Nation you live in, thank God.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/coverinbush400x72.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Youth Vote Disses the Chimp

Maybe they see Halliburton's draft coming?

Surveys suggest that Bush's popularity has plummeted among 18- to 29-year-olds in the past four months, posing a new obstacle to the president's bid to win reelection
and an immediate challenge to Republicans seeking to win over impressionable and
lightly committed young people during their upcoming convention.

In the latest Post-ABC News poll, Kerry led Bush 2-1 among registered voters younger
than 30.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59072-2004Aug12.html?referrer=email

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wash Post Apologizes for Urging War

We're approaching 1,000 dead and the WaHoPo says "Our bad?"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040812/ts_alt_afp/us_iraq_media

In retrospect, said Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr., "we were so focused on trying to prop up the Boy King and his Neo-Con stooges to curry favor with those in power in our town. We were lying to make more money and we've clearly lost whatever little intergrity we had left after cheering the loudest for President Clinton's impeachment. We've been a tool of the right for a decade and we have no more credibility than a crack whore looking for her next hot pipe. If we stoop any lower you'll mistake us for the Washington Times."

"We failed to do our job, it was a clear-cut case of power and arrogance," Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward said in an interview. "I'm so old, I remember the old rules we used to play by, which was 'always get two independent sources.' When Clinton came to town, we started operating under a new paradigm which was 'F*ck it - if Drudge or Rush say it - we print it'."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I heard Kid Rock was going to be at the Rethug convention....is this for real?

Probably does make sense though since the rap-rock, white guys that wannabe black fad has run it's course mostly, Kid Rock now tries to sell himself to the Southern Confederate flag wearing redneck Toby Keith Nascar crowd.

But even then...Kid Rock...hardly a role model for the youth. Don't expect the Dems or lib'rul media to beat up the Repugs for this the way Dems get beat up for Whoopi, Dixie Chicks, ect. though...wouldn't be polite...

Will Kid Rock bring his strippers and Jim Beam bottle out onto stage, or will they hide him like they'll hide the Bugman Delay and the rest of the loons who will scare women, children, and old people?

Why not Ted Nugent instead though?

As a loudmouth, animal-murdering, draft-dodging, philandering, kiddy-diddler, he represents the current Repug party way better than Kid Rock can....

[Mile High Shack]

Al Sharpton has moderate appeal?

I said he was "hardly a non-polarizing figure who has moderate appeal," genius.

what world do you live in?

Not the same WalMart Nation you live in, thank God.

how do you figure he has moderate appeal?

Sharpton is just as polarizing as Pat Robertson is for the Reps....

give me a break.

at least I can admit when Reps screw up.......according to you Dems are perfect.

[freak6]

Subject: FW: Republican Convention Agenda




REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CONVENTION SCHEDULE
New York, NY

6:00 PM Opening Prayer led by the Reverend Jerry Falwell

6:30 PM Pledge of Allegiance

6:35 PM Ceremonial Burning of Bill of Rights (excluding 2nd Amendment)

6:45 PM Salute to the Coalition of the Willing

6:46 PM Seminar #1: Katherine Harris on "Are Elections Really Necessary?"

7:30 PM Announcement: Lincoln Memorial Renamed for Ronald Reagan

7:35 PM Trent Lott - "Re-segregation in the 21st Century"

7:40 PM EPA Address #1: Mercury: It's What's for Dinner

8:00 PM Vote on which country to invade next

8:10 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh

8:15 PM John Ashcroft Lecture: The Homos Are After Your Children

8:30 PM Round table discussion on reproductive rights (men only)

8:50 PM Seminar #2: Corporations: The Government of the Future

9:00 PM Condi Rice sings "Can't Help Lovin' Dat Man"

9:05 PM Phyllis Schlafly speaks on "Why Women Shouldn't Be Leaders"

9:10 PM EPA Address #2: Trees: The Real Cause of Forest Fires

9:30 PM break for secret meetings

10:00 PM Second Prayer led by Cal Thomas

10:15 PM Carl Rove Lecture: Doublespeak Made Simple

10:30 PM Rumsfeld Lecture/Demonstration: How to Squint and Talk Macho Even When You Feel Squishy Inside

10:35 PM Bush demonstration of trademark "deer in headlights" stare

10:40 PM John Ashcroft Demonstration: New Mandatory Kevlar Chastity Belt

10:45 PM GOP's Tribute to Tokenism, featuring Colin Powell & Condi Rice

10:46 PM Ann Coulter's Tribute to "Joe McCarthy, American Patriot"

10:50 PM Seminar #3: Education: A Drain on Our Nation's Economy

11:10 PM Hilary Clinton Piñ! ata

11:20 PM John Ashcroft Lecture: Evolutionists: A Dangerous New Cult

11:30 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh again

11:35 PM Blame Clinton

11:40 PM Newt Gingrich speaks on "The Sanctity of Marriage"

11:41 PM Announcement: Ronald Reagan to be added to Mt.Rushmore

11:50 PM Closing Prayer led by Jesus Himself

12:00 PM Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary Overlord

[Mile High Shack]

I assume since your name was last in here....you probably gave some stupid retort freak...but remember I have you on ignore so no use replying to me for the record.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hilarious! @ freak

how do you figure he has moderate appeal?

{shaking head in disbelief}

I'm saying he doesn't have moderate appeal, but he still got equal speaking time.

Don't expext to say the same re: Delay, Hastert, et al (which was the whole point.)

[watermock]

This is so rediculous and classic.

First, wading thru LABF's spam is bad enough, but tell me this:

Why was a FEATURE, I repeat for the comprehension impared. A FEATURE.

Then, after it's pointed out in another article that it won't be emphesized, somehow it's a big deceit?

So what is it? It's Prayers and Patriots, or is it moving to the center in an election year.

If anyone has turned into total "promise the world flip flopper" it's Kerry, who you wouldn't reckognize as the same person of 12 months ago as he tried to out left Howard Dean. ARRRREEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Of course, these truths will be buried before I get done typing it.

So are they marching Preachers and Prayers up there, or are they sweeping religious conservatives under the rug?

Make up your mind before you start quoting the NY Times and USA Today. Finally, don't worry about it, the Networks will try to distort as many sound bites as possible. The only networks for full coverage will be CSpan and Fox anyway.

And Hogan, don't worry about watching it. LABF, you will be at BartCop dragging out distortions and cut and pastes. How many posts and gifs are in this thread Mr. SpamMan? Build me a dream and they will come? Kerry is the dreamland politician that totally reinvented himself in the past 6 months.

This is rediculous.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:spamattac

There!

I win the debate.

(I had no idea being a republican was so easy.)

[Hogan11]

Amen.

[watermock]

Well, you two didn't answer the question. What is it? Are they going to make it, BOTH?

[Hogan11]

Well, you two didn't answer the question. What is it? Are they going to make it, BOTH?

They'll keep it as moderate as they can for prime time coverage....that's my guess...hell, according to the posted article from AP, they don't even know how they're gonna handle it.

People already know where they stand...so will it really matter if they keep the "more polarizing supporters" in the background??

[MLB]

I heard Kid Rock was going to be at the Rethug convention....is this for real?

Probably does make sense though since the rap-rock, white guys that wannabe black fad has run it's course mostly, Kid Rock now tries to sell himself to the Southern Confederate flag wearing redneck Toby Keith Nascar crowd.

But even then...Kid Rock...hardly a role model for the youth. Don't expect the Dems or lib'rul media to beat up the Repugs for this the way Dems get beat up for Whoopi, Dixie Chicks, ect. though...wouldn't be polite...

Will Kid Rock bring his strippers and Jim Beam bottle out onto stage, or will they hide him like they'll hide the Bugman Delay and the rest of the loons who will scare women, children, and old people?

Why not Ted Nugent instead though?

As a loudmouth, animal-murdering, draft-dodging, philandering, kiddy-diddler, he represents the current Repug party way better than Kid Rock can....

loudmouth... Yes, Ted is a loudmouth... something he readily admits to.

animal-murdering... I guess you think food should only come from either a shrink-wrapped package at the grocery store or a styrofoam box at a fast-food chain.

draft-dodging, philandering... Sounds an awful lot like your idol, Bill Clinton, doesn't it?

kiddy-diddler... That's a pretty serious accusation. Have you any proof, or are you just slinging sh!t against the wall just to see what will stick?

[watermock]

With deer overpopulating and natural predators declining, we need wolves like wild Ted for population control. Ha!

Seriously, deer populations are at habitat destroying levels, but don't kill Bambi is the mantra. I'll give you dogs to collars that Ted Nugent gives money to protect habitat more than the PETA put together. I don't care to hunt. I have for the adventure, but I prefer catch and release fishing, taking just for the frying pan. Mock's pan fried crappie in egg batter is killer. MMMM.

This is so typical of LABF. When I went down to the SE a few years back, I counted 11 smears of hit deer on the highway. Hunting deer in Iowa isn't even a sport, it's a traffic hazard, particuliarly when the corn crops are razed and the rut starts moving males and chasing females. They go from grazing in the corn to cover for the winter and migrate. But lets let LABF explain the ecosystem from Tinseltown. Maybe Michael Moore can explain the extinction of the DoDo Bird contradiction, since he seems to still be quacking. Michael Moore-The Last DoDo Bird.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I guess you think food should only come from either a shrink-wrapped package at the grocery store or a styrofoam box at a fast-food chain.

Hunting for food is fine. Trophy hunters, on the other hand, are slimeballs.

Sounds an awful lot like your idol, Bill Clinton, doesn't it?

Except the Nuge gets a pass from the wingnut right whereas Clinton does not.

Can't you smell that smell? The smell of right-wing hypocrisy around you?

And, BTW, Clinton didn't dodge the draft. He left himself vulnerable to the draft (unlike your favorite Oil Emperor) but his number never came up (because Tricky Dick had instated the draft lottery at that point.)

are you just slinging sh!t against the wall just to see what will stick?

Like the bush campaign/smear boat vets?

Gotcha.

BTW, for the record, I always liked Ted's music, but his politics are seriously f'd up.

[watermock]

Yep, Ted's out there trying to take out that last Black Rhino to hang on his wall.

God your amusing. Do you have a clue how much the Bush Administration has spent to close the canals in the everglades? Do you know that we spend more money than anyone to protect species? Go golfing lately? There are more Geese on the property than golfers. The dynamics of human development and environmental damage isn't something that suddenly came up under the Bush Administration.

I bet there's some pristine land in Laos for ya LABF. Maybe you would catch malaria.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"When I hear this coming from Dick Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil. Those of us who served and those of us who went in the military don't like it when someone like a Dick Cheney comes out and he wants to be tough. Yeah, he'll be tough. He'll be tough with somebody else's blood, somebody else's kids. But not when it was his turn to go."

--Sen. Tom Harkin, taking the gloves off to bitch-slap the Chicken-in Chief

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2004/08/14/news/breaking_news/0dff4c5470efba8a86256ef00074d537.txt

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Kerry leads Bush -- despite Nader

"John Kerry has pulled ahead of Bush, even with Ralph Nader accounted for, according to a new poll. Kerry led Bush 47-43 percent (with distractions) in the Zogby poll. Minus those contenders, Kerry and Edwards were favored 50-43 percent over Smirk and Snarl in the November 2 vote."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20040816/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_poll

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/forgive-mac72.JPG

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

New York to unleash righteous fury on GOP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1283422,00.html

"John Flanigan and Tim Doody are two other protest co-ordinators aiming to make 31 August a day of direct action. They said they would shun the idea of applying for any form of permit. 'We already have a permit. It is called the American constitution. The idea that I have to ask for permission to protest my own government is ridiculous,' Flanigan said. Sitting on the steps of St Mark's church in the East Village, the pair typified the anger felt by protesters that the Republicans are holding their convention in a city that prides itself on its liberalism. 'This has really shaken everyone out of their complacency. People are outraged,' said Doody.

Polls support that reaction. A recent survey showed that 83 per cent of New Yorkers did not want the convention in their city.

'We all live here,' said Angela Coppola, an office worker who has joined the protest groups. 'We were the victims of 11 September and now they are coming to terrorise us with their asinine convention.'"

[watermock]

New York to unleash righteous fury on GOP

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1283422,00.html

"John Flanigan and Tim Doody are two other protest co-ordinators aiming to make 31 August a day of direct action. They said they would shun the idea of applying for any form of permit.

Hey if Illinois Nazi's could get one, what's the problem. John Flanigan and Tim Doody? They sound like cartoon characters.

'We already have a permit. It is called the American constitution. The idea that I have to ask for permission to protest my own government is ridiculous,' Flanigan said.

Maybe, but the precedent has allready been set. Of course, while these leftists are ranting and "throwing eggs" or whatever, valuable recources will be expended at protecting the actual convention in a time of war. Of course, this will not even enter their minds. It's not that they want to protest, it's that they want to set up a confrontaton.

Sitting on the steps of St Mark's church in the East Village, the pair typified the anger felt by protesters that the Republicans are holding their convention in a city that prides itself on its liberalism. 'This has really shaken everyone out of their complacency. People are outraged,' said Doody.

Shaken not Stirred? Now two morons get to decide where the Republican Party gets to hold it's convention? Here is what is going on: These two freaks seem to think they speak for New York. I don't know how many Billions it will give New York. And what else? These dimwits seem to think they can PREVENT a free assembly, (which no doubt they applied for a permit to have), while they seem to think they can just try to create chaos.

Polls support that reaction. A recent survey showed that 83 per cent of New Yorkers did not want the convention in their city.

Good God, you want to know why Dimwit? It's because the security will so damn tight it will shut down the city. If it was in Houston you would cook up another lame argument. Half of Boston left town because of the security hassle. New Yorkers are also scared of another attack. And another thing. Just because two Irish hotheads don't think they need to go by the law, it's a sure bet they land in jail.

'We all live here,' said Angela Coppola, an office worker who has joined the protest groups. 'We were the victims of 11 September and now they are coming to terrorise us with their asinine convention.'"

No Angela Coppla Capone, We don't all live there. This editorial is so lame it can't even spell terrorize.

I make spelling mistakes, but I'm not an editorial writer. These are just digital bytes that will evaporate into the night.

The point is this. If the clowns want to have an illegal confrontation in an obviously secured area because of clear and present danger allready established by the extreme security afforded the Democrats, isn't really fair that the Republicans can have their convention of Democracy as well?

BTW, The Kerry Campaing, while the new Bush attack ad about Kerrys voting, or lack of voting record, incorrectly said Kerry was blah blah blah. Turns out it was Bob Kerry from Nebraska, not John Kerry from Mass.

Bob, John, hey, he got a purple heart too.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

AWOL Boy screwed up Iraq and the economy so bad, he's actually gotta work to keep the base from staying home. The GOP is in desperation mode, and once the convention is over, Bush won't have much of an advantage. The only leverage he's got is the power of incumbency, and he seems content to squander that on tightly controlled, invite-only fawn-fests that aren't going to do much except pump up his ego for the final days of his only term.

Team Thug has spent more to date than they even raised in 2000, and their boy is still playing catch-up.

http://www.bartcop.com/son4done.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

PORTLAND, Oregon -- By 9 a.m. on Friday, throngs of John F. Kerry supporters clogged the city center, blocking the garage where Julie Edwards parks for work. So rather than fight the crowd, the 41-year-old Republican joined it.

Four hours later, as the Democratic nominee was wrapping up his stump speech, Edwards finally made it through security. As she trudged toward the stage, it was not the candidate who amazed her but the massive crowd that turned out for him, even as President Bush was speaking just outside town.

"I've never seen anything like this," she said, surveying the more than 50,000 audience members. "This is going to make a real statement, a swing state turning out like this, especially with Bush in town. I worry for Bush."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/08/15/kerry_hopes_to_capitalize_on_buzz

[watermock]

I don't think I have ever had the unfortunate crossing of path to see someone that managed to give not a single policy approval from someone who has not made a single policy proposal.

It's weird. While Bush make real desicions that affect lives, Kerry is on Vacaton trying to explain why his Campaign Staff thought that he was Bob Kerry from Nebraska.

Maybe because Bob Kerry actuall showed up to vote?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush campaign officials are delighted to step on Kerry's message along the way, as they did in Portland, where all four of the local TV networks aired split-screen images of both Bush and Kerry during their dueling events.

When Bush's comments ran past schedule, Kerry delayed the start of his remarks across town; the next day, the Oregonian newspaper reported on the airtime rivalry between the campaigns and ran front-page photographs of both Bush and Kerry, allowing neither to dominate.

But the direct comparison in Portland offered one clear distinction: On Friday night and again the next morning in the newspaper, the images showed Bush virtually alone, against an empty backdrop, while Kerry was seen being amid a sea of supporters.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/08/15/kerry_hopes_to_capitalize_on_buzz?mode=PF

[watermock]

Hey Dimwit, that could just possibly be because the Secret Service doesn't like a ton of people behind the president that are not screened?

Oregon isn't going to go Bush anyway.

Kerry behind a "Sea of Supporters", well gosh, I think I want to get into that sea of reporters and start throwing eggs. It's my constitutional right!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Daniel Pearl family asks Cheney to knock it off

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20040816/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_cheney_pearl

"The family of Daniel Pearl, a US journalist who was beheaded in Pakistan two years ago, urged US politicians not to use the reporter's name for political reasons after Dick Cheney invoked Pearl's name during a campaign event.

"The family of Daniel Pearl respectfully requests that his legacy remains non-partisan,"
The Wall Street Journal reporter's relatives said in a statement responding to Cheney's comments. "We would like him to be remembered for what he was in his life, a passionate American and humanist who rose above political, religious and cultural divisions," the family said."

http://www.bartcop.com/enron-war.jpg

[watermock]

Daniel Pearl family asks Cheney to knock it off

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/afp/20040816/ts_alt_afp/us_vote_cheney_pearl

"The family of Daniel Pearl, a US journalist who was beheaded in Pakistan two years ago, urged US politicians not to use the reporter's name for political reasons after Dick Cheney invoked Pearl's name during a campaign event.

"The family of Daniel Pearl respectfully requests that his legacy remains non-partisan,"
The Wall Street Journal reporter's relatives said in a statement responding to Cheney's comments. "We would like him to be remembered for what he was in his life, a passionate American and humanist who rose above political, religious and cultural divisions," the family said."

http://www.bartcop.com/enron-war.jpg

First, It wasn't TWO years ago. You would think his own family would know that fact. The War isn't even 2 years old. If his family doesn't want his name remembered when the terrorists ripped his skull from his severed throat that is fine.

Honestly, I don't think they really have that right to deny it happened, but I am sure we will just let that go. I don't think Cheney showed the grisly video that was immediately denied. Hey it didn't happen, it was all staged right, whats the big deal?

[watermock]

http://www.bartcop.com/enron-war.jpg

Daddy, is this where your Brother is buried?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Clearing away the :spamattac in the previous post:

Embarrassed, for good reason

Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie defended the GOP convention's decision not to release the names of delegates, citing "confidentiality."

I have to admit, I wouldn't want anyone knowing if I were a delegate to the Republican Convention.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/17/politics1657EDT0645.DTL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/wolf-slamdunk.JPG

[watermock]

Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie defended the GOP convention's decision not to release the names of delegates, citing "confidentiality."

I have to admit, I wouldn't want anyone knowing if I were a delegate to the Republican Convention.

With people like you around, who can blame him. Your the one calling for mass demonstrations. All kinds of protections were given to the DNC, and you wonder why a republican delegate might want to be able to to to the convention without eggs or better thrown at him?

What is your problem? I'll go there, be a delegate and try to rip thru lines. That's what they want anyway.

That's why I'm not a Delegate. I would just start capping.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/uppa-creek.jpg

[orinjkrush]

I must be gettin too old. Hearin this Bush did this, Kerry did that stuff is like listening to Queefs versus Faiders fans. I hope the candidates challenge each other to duels at 20 paces and blow each other's brains out. Maybe somebody else who won't whore their mothers to get the job can do it for awhile. And then we'll toss them out in due time. I'm startin to think anybody with flowing gray white hair can do the 4 year photo op thing in the whitehouse anyhow.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Welcome to Bushworld:

Analysis: Doctors a Part of Iraq Abuse

"The medical system collaborated with designing and implementing psychologically and physically coercive interrogations," Miles said in this week's edition of Lancet. "Army officials stated that a physician and a psychiatrist helped design, approve and monitor interrogations at Abu Ghraib."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040820/ap_on_re_mi_ea/torture_doctors&cid=540&ncid=716

Anticipated monkey response:

"What's the big deal? It's not like someone got a blowjob on Bush's watch, or something!"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Only true believers need apply

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1286212,00.html

Before attending a rally to hear vice president Dick Cheney, citizens in New Mexico were required to sign a political loyalty oath approved by the Republican national committee. "I, [full name] ... do herby [sic] endorse George W Bush for reelection of the United States." The form noted: "In signing the above endorsement you are consenting to use and release of your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush."

Bush is campaigning at events billed as Ask President Bush. Only supporters are allowed in. Talking points are distributed to questioners. In Traverse City, Michigan, a 55-year-old social studies teacher who wore a Kerry sticker had her ticket torn up at the door. "How can anyone in the US deny someone entry?" she asked. "Isn't this a democracy?"

At every rally, Bush repeats the same speech, touting a "vibrant economy" and his leadership in a war where "you cannot show weakness". He introduces local entrepreneurs who praise his tax cuts. (More than one million jobs have been lost in his term.) Then Bush calls on questioners. More than one-fifth of them profess their evangelical faith or denounce gay marriage. In Niceville, Florida, one said: "This is the very first time that I have felt that God was in the White House." "Thank you," replied Bush.

__________________________________________________ _______________________

Bush wants to live in a protected environment. Part of his protected environment is that he feels he should not have to be exposed to the real American public. I feel sorry for an individual who is so small-minded that he cannot accept one piece of constructive criticism.

But hey--let 'em continue in this vein--it works in our favor. They are preaching (literally?) to the choir, no new votes here. No outreach to swing voters, no new message, nothing. That and the fact that the tactics are being exposed is fantastic.

The fear of exposure and truth this trumpets is palpable, and people will pick up on it.

As long as the Dems stick with the high road and don't stoop to this level, let the Repugs wallow in it.

The ticket ripping and removeal of non-members should happen everytime Shrub shows his smirk at a campaign rally and should be publicized everytime on the local news.

Keep going and keep getting your tickets ripped up. This is a great, subtle and powerful message to get out and the Dems don't need to do a thing.

[watermock]

You just got your panties in a bunch because they can't disrupt a closed rally.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Book alert:

"Deserter: Bush's War on Military Families, Veterans, and His Past"

http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/04/08/pre04039.html

http://awolbush.ctyme.com/images/bushbillboard2.jpg

[watermock]

Reality Alert:

"Kerry not in Cambodia as in Biography, holds own Medals 'thrown away'..."Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

NY Times Gets 2 More Subpoenas in Plame Case

The New York Times has received two more subpoenas from prosecutors investigating who leaked the identity of former CIA officer Valerie Plame to the press, E&P has learned.

The subpoenas, one for reporter Judith Miller and one for the Times, seek documents and other records related to the paper's reporting on Plame. Miller received a previous subpoena on Aug. 11 compelling her to testify before a federal grand jury investigating the case. The two latest subpoenas arrived over the weekend.

"We now have a total of three subpoenas," Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis said today. "We will either have to comply or file a motion to quash by Aug. 20. The Times will move to quash."

The subpoenas are the latest in a string of actions taken in recent weeks against journalists by Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is leading the investigation into the Plame identity leak.

In another case, Times reporters James Risen and Jeff Gerth are expected to find out on Wednesday if they will be held in contempt for failing to disclose sources related to coverage of Wen Ho Lee, the former Los Alamos scientist who is suing the federal government for alleged violations of his right to privacy. Risen and Gerth are among several reporters whom Lee's attorneys are asking to be held in contempt. Federal District Court Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson is expected to rule on their request Wednesday.

In the Plame case, Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus received a subpoena last week, which Post editors plan to seek to quash, while Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper was held in contempt on Aug. 9 by a federal judge for refusing to name government officials who leaked Plame's identity.

The Plame investigation stems from a July 14, 2003, column by syndicated columnist Robert Novak that revealed Plame, who is married to a former diplomat, was a CIA officer. Fitzgerald was appointed to track down how the information was leaked.

Novak has not said if he has received a subpoena in the investigation, but federal investigators have already interviewed Glenn Kessler, another Post reporter, and NBC commentator Tim Russert.

Note: If, as he has claimed on numerous occasions, Resident Fork Tongue really wanted to get to the bottom of this whole matter, then all he would have to do would be to call all of the involved reporters to the WH and have them sign waivers of confidentiality so they could disclose the identities of the officials who gave them the info about Plame.

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PORTLAND, Oregon -- By 9 a.m. on Friday, throngs of John F. Kerry supporters clogged the city center, blocking the garage where Julie Edwards parks for work. So rather than fight the crowd, the 41-year-old Republican joined it.

Four hours later, as the Democratic nominee was wrapping up his stump speech, Edwards finally made it through security. As she trudged toward the stage, it was not the candidate who amazed her but the massive crowd that turned out for him, even as President Bush was speaking just outside town.

"I've never seen anything like this," she said, surveying the more than 50,000 audience members. "This is going to make a real statement, a swing state turning out like this, especially with Bush in town. I worry for Bush."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...italize_on_buzz

Oregon a swing state. You have to be kidding me.

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NY Times Gets 2 More Subpoenas in Plame Case

The New York Times has received two more subpoenas from prosecutors investigating who leaked the identity of former CIA officer Valerie Plame to the press, E&P has learned.

The subpoenas, one for reporter Judith Miller and one for the Times, seek documents and other records related to the paper's reporting on Plame. Miller received a previous subpoena on Aug. 11 compelling her to testify before a federal grand jury investigating the case. The two latest subpoenas arrived over the weekend.

"We now have a total of three subpoenas," Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis said today. "We will either have to comply or file a motion to quash by Aug. 20. The Times will move to quash."

The subpoenas are the latest in a string of actions taken in recent weeks against journalists by Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is leading the investigation into the Plame identity leak.

In another case, Times reporters James Risen and Jeff Gerth are expected to find out on Wednesday if they will be held in contempt for failing to disclose sources related to coverage of Wen Ho Lee, the former Los Alamos scientist who is suing the federal government for alleged violations of his right to privacy. Risen and Gerth are among several reporters whom Lee's attorneys are asking to be held in contempt. Federal District Court Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson is expected to rule on their request Wednesday.

In the Plame case, Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus received a subpoena last week, which Post editors plan to seek to quash, while Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper was held in contempt on Aug. 9 by a federal judge for refusing to name government officials who leaked Plame's identity.

The Plame investigation stems from a July 14, 2003, column by syndicated columnist Robert Novak that revealed Plame, who is married to a former diplomat, was a CIA officer. Fitzgerald was appointed to track down how the information was leaked.

Novak has not said if he has received a subpoena in the investigation, but federal investigators have already interviewed Glenn Kessler, another Post reporter, and NBC commentator Tim Russert.

Note: If, as he has claimed on numerous occasions, Resident Fork Tongue really wanted to get to the bottom of this whole matter, then all he would have to do would be to call all of the involved reporters to the WH and have them sign waivers of confidentiality so they could disclose the identities of the officials who gave them the info about Plame.

This was blown up months ago. This goes back to that idiot Clarke.

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Another cut and paste cartoon.

This idiot just doesn't get it.

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Make Wolfy cry! Go vote!

Will you watch President Bush's acceptance speech on Thursday?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/late.edition/

Last I looked, only 29% said they'd watch the speech. Another poll on the main page states that only about 39% plan to watch any of the convention. Count me among the other 61% who won't watch any of the gathering of the Pod People.

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More Than 100,000 Protest Bush in NYC


And the convention hasn't even started yet...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp&cid=694&ncid=716

NEW YORK - More than 100,000 demonstrators marched past a heavily fortified Republican convention hall on Sunday, chanting denunciations of the administration and the war in Iraq as delegates flocked to the city to nominate President Bush for four more years in the White House.

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Some reports I've read estimate the crowds at a quarter-to-half a million protestors...

100,000 is a "SCLM" (read: Republican) estimate, imo... :P :P :P

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Some reports I've read estimate the crowds at a quarter-to-half a million protestors...

100,000 is a "SCLM" (read: Republican) estimate, imo... :P :P :P

Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing close to a crowd that size turned out to protest dubya's daddy at the RNC in '92.

Were it not for the corporate media steadfastly covering his flank, the toddler would surely be toast.

And how about that Tom DeLay event in TX a few days ago?

There were more protestors than invitees.

Methinks the rethugs are in trouble.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing close to a crowd that size turned out to protest dubya's daddy at the RNC in '92.

Were it not for the corporate media steadfastly covering his flank, the toddler would surely be toast.

And how about that Tom DeLay event in TX a few days ago?

There were more protestors than invitees.

Methinks the rethugs are in trouble.

I'd say whoever came up with the idea of having the RNC in NYC probably should be fired. Hundreds of thousands of protestors cannot be spun as a sign that the convention... or their message... is welcome.

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I'd say whoever came up with the idea of having the RNC in NYC probably should be fired. Hundreds of thousands of protestors cannot be spun as a sign that the convention... or their message... is welcome.

Yep.

Conventional wisdom would suggest that the rethugs would feel more at home holding their convention/masquerade in Houston or Denver or some other rethug stronghold.

The junta is obviously hoping to use NYC to exploit 9/11 to maximum political effect--mostly for the benefit of Ma and Pa Kettle watching TV in Kansas and Massabama (since most New Yorkers don't want the convention in their city.)

Rove may be a nut and a sociopath, but he's a very clever nut and sociopath.

He is counting on the protesters showing up and, hopefully, turning violent, causing trouble, etc.

Then he can sit back while his good puppy press-titutes jabber on and on 24/7, saying "look what those awful Democrats and Kerry people are like!"

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Yep.

Conventional wisdom would suggest that the rethugs would feel more at home holding their convention/masquerade in Houston or Denver or some other rethug stronghold.

The junta is obviously hoping to use NYC to exploit 9/11 to maximum political effect--mostly for the benefit of Ma and Pa Kettle watching TV in Kansas and Massabama (since most New Yorkers don't want the convention in their city.)

Rove may be a nut and a sociopath, but he's a very clever nut and sociopath.

He is counting on the protesters showing up and, hopefully, turning violent, causing trouble, etc.

Then he can sit back while his good puppy press-titutes jabber on and on 24/7, saying "look what those awful Democrats and Kerry people are like!"

Knowing Rove's tactics, who's to say that the "protestors-who-turn-violent" won't be paid Republican operatives? That tactic worked in Florida in 2000, after all....

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Knowing Rove's tactics, who's to say that the "protestors-who-turn-violent" won't be paid Republican operatives? That tactic worked in Florida in 2000, after all....

That's the most disturbing possibility of all, IMO.

We have already seen plenty of examples of Roves' strategically-placed agent provacateurs.

And we already know the Toxic Texan doesn't care how many people get hurt in his quest for power he hasn't earned.

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8 deep circle jerk.

Here is the fact of the matter.

Bush is leading in Ohio and Florida and the convention hasn't started.

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Hundreds of thousands of protestors cannot be spun as a sign that the convention... or their message... is welcome.

Notice how Fux News is reporting the number as 600-800?

Talk about pathetic.

They won't be able to squeeze this one down the memory hole.

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Nazi-Con 2004:

Putting lipstick on the pig.

"They're trying to put a moderate face on an ultra-right-wing party. If the Republicans were honest, they'd have Jerry Falwell and Ken Lay speak, because their party is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the kook right and corporate crooks. Instead we're getting McCain and Giuliani and Schwarzenegger -- all of whom are more liberal than Bush. It's the greatest example of right-wing cross-dressing since J. Edgar Hoover hung up his brassiere."

--Paul Begala, who has the drop on the neocons

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The Republican Party -- in a shameless , all-too-obvious attempt to manipulate the tragedy of 9/11 for partisan ends -- chose New York City for its nominating convention. Must have seemed like a great idea at the time.

Their coming to Manhattan not only infuriates New Yorkers, who were badly played by Bush&Co. after the attacks, but enables the rest of us in the country to use Ground Zero as the backdrop for examining the gross failures and crimes of the Bush Administration since that tragic day in September 2001.

So, here is an update of things we've learned during the three years since 9/11 -- documented mostly from government papers and respected journalistic accounts -- about the Administration that rules in our names. If you find this compendium useful, you might want to make this list available to your friends and colleagues, especially to those still uncertain which presidential candidate they will vote for ten weeks from now.

http://www.crisispapers.org