Psychological Study Shows Why Bush Keeps Issuing Terror Alerts

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/07/30/campaign.fear.reut/index.html

"Talking about death can raise people's need for psychological security, the researchers report in studies to be published in the December issue of the journal Psychological Science and the September issue of the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.

"There are people all over who are claiming every time Bush is in trouble he generates fear by declaring an imminent threat," said Sheldon Solomon of Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs, New York, who worked on the study.

"We are saying this is psychologically useful," said Solomon.

""In one we asked half the people to think about the September 11 attacks, or to think about watching TV," Solomon said. "What we found was staggering."

When asked to think about television, the 100 or so volunteers did not approve of Bush or his policies in Iraq. But when asked to think about Sept. 11 first and then asked about their attitudes to Bush, another 100 volunteers had very different reactions.

"They had a very strong approval of President Bush and his policy in Iraq," Solomon said.

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Latest terror warning

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/02/politics/02intel.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1091461609-hzOkWeufXIVFW0Ai8kr3YA


This was a detailed, written plan found in an al qaeda camp a few years ago, and it was written in detail and planned out (along with other "attacks") before the attack on 9/11. It was one of many that were being considered.

Why now are we being told about it? Did Osama bin Laden have a premonition that Bush would steel the election, that the 9/11 attack would be accomplished (the dates kept changing for the terrorists to do it), and did he know Bush would hold the RNC convention in New York, next to the site of the 9/11 attacks?

Or is this just one more piece of information that has been held back so it could be used at a convenient time?

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Laura bush and twins were in NYC today.........and they say this alert isn't political?......Why would the Secret Service and/or bush put his family in danger if the threat was so high?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040802/capt.nyff10108021914.terror_threat_nyff101.jpg
Laura Bush tours Citigroup/NYC with Gov. Pataki today

As a "morale booster" for the threatened (booga booga booga) employees there. Is this the ultimate photo-op? Her husband keeps us so safe that he even will send his wife to their Saudi friend's bank to show how effective he is at stopping terra!

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040802/capt.nyff10208021939.terror_threat_nyff102.jpg
First lady Laura Bush shakes hands with people as New York Gov. George Pataki, right, looks on while visiting the Citigroup Center Monday Aug. 2, 2004, in New York. To show confidence in the city's response to the warning about possible terrorist attacks against major financial institutions Pataki and Bush visited the Citigroup Center, one of several buildings cited by the government in a detailed warning Sunday.

[Crushaholic]

Logically, that makes no sense at all. Let's say for argument's sake that this is all a political ploy to boost Bush's approval ratings. Why would he play this card NOW...with 3 months left to go before the election? Everybody knows that voters tend to have short memories. If this is all a psychological ploy to want to vote for Bush, why didn't he wait to use this tactic in mid-October when it would be fresh in voter's minds?

BTW, Michael Moore knows that voters have short memories. That's why he arranged for the F9/11 DVD to be released just before the election.

[watermock]

Good Lord. So now Bush runs the Homeland Security Department and pulls the strings on Ridge like a pupeteer?

Meahwhile Kerry has turned into some hawk, more troops, more special forces, get that new Terrorist Czar in now, no reason for congress to discuss it's merits.

In on sentence LABF announces that we had all these specific warnings, when in fact they were not specific, and then, he claims that raising the terror threats in specific areas under specific information is a ploy. It doesn't matter what happens, it's Bush's fault. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Psycological Profiles? Of course people want to forget 9/11, it's painful and it ended an illusion of homeland security. But people NEED to be reminded, and stay vigilant.

Good Grief, talk about scraping up the bottom of the beer barrel.

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If this is all a psychological ploy to want to vote for Bush, why didn't he wait to use this tactic in mid-October when it would be fresh in voter's minds?

Who's to say he won't do just that?

After all, he's been using this sort of psy-ops tactic to his political advantage since 9/11.

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So far, no one has tackled this question:

"Why would the Secret Service and/or bush put his family in danger if the threat was so high?"

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Quotes

"American facisim will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition
among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those
who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery." (Read: Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O'Riely, et al)

--Henry A. Wallace, VP to FDR, who never even met GW Bush

[watermock]

So far, no one has tackled this question:

"Why would the Secret Service and/or bush put his family in danger if the threat was so high?"

WTF? They shuffled Bush off to an unknown location. If you don't know there is an underground bunker at the WhiteHouse your literally insane. There was a very real chance the Pennsylvania plane was headed to the White House. Again, your insinuating that Bush planned the attacks. Totally unbelievable paranoia. Put down the comic books.

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Handy Terror Alert Timeline

The Guardian provides this Tally of Alerts:

(Now, can we match up concurrent BFEE events?)


August 1 2004
US homeland security director Tom Ridge annouces "unusually specific" information on imminent terrorist attack against financial institutions in US - including NY Stock Exchange. Government raises threat from Code Yellow to Code Orange - from "elevated" to "high" risk of attack.

December 21 2003
Government goes to Code Orange. Mr Ridge highlights potential danger to large gatherings during holidays.

More police at shopping malls, rail stations, and power plants. Three weeks later threat reverts to Code Yellow.

May 20 2003
Threat raised to Code Orange because, it is claimed, al-Qaida entered operational period worldwide following attacks in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.

Government says it has no "credible, specific information with respect to targets or methods of attack".

The rest at:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1274892,00.html

[watermock]

Quotes

"American facisim will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition
among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those
who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery." (Read: Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, O'Riely, et al)

--Henry A. Wallace, VP to FDR, who never even met GW Bush

Now we are back in the late 40's. Hey, let's dig up Strom Thurman, and the still alive and yapping Robert Byrd. Hell, let's dig up George Wallace while we are at it. Second, the statement doesn't even make sense. A "Cartelist" at least in the modern definition has a totally different meaning if he is trying to equate that with the KKK.

I love it. Equating Henry Wallace with god knows what the hell he was talking about. "Prisoners of Public Information?" Ha! If anything, it's information run amok on the internet, where anyone can say virtually anything without any editorial restraint for the truth. Case in point, YOU.

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Be aware: Yesterday's terror threat written 3 years ago!

The Al Qaeda computers fallen into US intelligence hands until now have thrown out an abundance of data on terror plots and networks, most of which proved false or planted to mislead. The most striking instance occurred in September 1998, when FBI agents reached the hurriedly-vacated home of al Qaeda's East African agent Muhammed Fazul on the Indian Ocean Comoro Islands. Fazul orchestrated the US embassy attacks in East Africa and was Ghailani¡'s direct commander. The computer he discarded on the Indian Ocean Island was packed with data on terrorist targets and al Qaeda cells in the Horn of Africa and the southern extremity of the Arabian Peninsula. Years of strenuous following up this information ended up yielding nothing.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=885

The two men are not of the usual al Qaeda caliber for preparing a complex, spectacular attack in the United States - or even acting as the top level's repositories for the necessary foreknowledge. Only very limited information must therefore have been elicited from the two men detained in Pakistan and their computers:
1. They may have known that Al Qaeda started surveillance operations against key US financial centers as far back as to 1999-2000, straight after the embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania. The surveillance was integral to the organization's preparations for the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. The financial centers may have been intended as additional targets or alternatives if the World Trade Center and Washington strikes failed.

A really good point from a Rand Institute analyst today...

If that was GOOD information, they never would have released it, because it would tell bin Laden exactly what we know. They knew it was garbage, but figured the press would fall for it. Evidently, the NYT and WP are hitting tomorrow with front-page stories saying it's all bullsh*t.

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What a joke! They know it was pre 9-11 and yet they make a huge show of PROTECTING THE BUILDINGS for one or two days. People were actually afraid to go to work.

I think the country sees through Smirk. Just some of them really benefited from his policies, and others are so partisan they'd rather rip out their own lungs than vote Democrat. But they're a minority, and the majority is going to vote these clowns out.

[watermock]

Be aware: Yesterday's terror threat written 3 years ago!

The Al Qaeda computers fallen into US intelligence hands until now have thrown out an abundance of data on terror plots and networks, most of which proved false or planted to mislead. The most striking instance occurred in September 1998, when FBI agents reached the hurriedly-vacated home of al Qaeda's East African agent Muhammed Fazul on the Indian Ocean Comoro Islands. Fazul orchestrated the US embassy attacks in East Africa and was Ghailani¡'s direct commander. The computer he discarded on the Indian Ocean Island was packed with data on terrorist targets and al Qaeda cells in the Horn of Africa and the southern extremity of the Arabian Peninsula. Years of strenuous following up this information ended up yielding nothing.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=885

The two men are not of the usual al Qaeda caliber for preparing a complex, spectacular attack in the United States - or even acting as the top level's repositories for the necessary foreknowledge. Only very limited information must therefore have been elicited from the two men detained in Pakistan and their computers:
1. They may have known that Al Qaeda started surveillance operations against key US financial centers as far back as to 1999-2000, straight after the embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania. The surveillance was integral to the organization's preparations for the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. The financial centers may have been intended as additional targets or alternatives if the World Trade Center and Washington strikes failed.

A really good point from a Rand Institute analyst today...

If that was GOOD information, they never would have released it, because it would tell bin Laden exactly what we know. They knew it was garbage, but figured the press would fall for it. Evidently, the NYT and WP are hitting tomorrow with front-page stories saying it's all bullsh*t.

Now your quoting Debka? I guess when it's in your own interests you will. Yes, they may be dated files, but they will be valuable. So whatever. If your reading Debka honestly, instead of simply to find fault, there might still be hope. No doubt a link took you there from somewhere else.

Mainly, the article says the information is dated, which it may be. It doesn't mean that these financial institutions are still not targets, or that the information was "planted". Also, it is one of the more highly speculative articles that they have posted. Debka doesn't trust anything these cockroaches say or do, knowing they are trecherous lias and decievers. The Israelis know not to take anything at face value. To me, until they sort it out, it remains a good idea to have all awareness up.

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Drudge Siren: Qaeda documents years old, as was "new" terror threat

"Much of the information that led authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the NY and D.C. areas was 3 or 4 years old... NYT Tuesday Page One Splash To Claim: Intelligence and law enforcement officials 'had not yet found concrete evidence that a terror plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under way'..."


you know the URL ...

http://www.nytimes.com

See fer yerselves.

And here's a snippet:

WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 -Much of the information that led the authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the New York City and Washington areas was three or four years old, intelligence and law enforcement officials said on Monday. They reported that they had not yet found concrete evidence that a terrorist plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under way.

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"We've got to find a way to keep Dubya out of the debates--maybe we can fake a national security crisis or something. We can't risk one of his mental meltdowns so close to the election."

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You don't get it. A capture led to another capture of alot of intelligence. Yes, it's dated. WTF. You totally dismiss as the guy we captured in June is singing and we are making arrests. You totally ignore reality. We have them on the run, period.

Why are you so intrasigent to at least say something like "that is good news, maybe they can get more information?" That's an easy answer. Your myopic hatred of comicstrips would have to go to the next subject, like some elderly downs syndrome Bush pees on himself without health insurance.

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http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_emergency.jpg

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Back to Cut and Paste I see.

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http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_topgoon.jpg

[Exile_In_SJ]

yawn, more wasted bandwidth...

[RaiderH8r]

So far, no one has tackled this question:

"Why would the Secret Service and/or bush put his family in danger if the threat was so high?"
The secret Service does not dictate Presidential appearances. They advise. Their job is not to keep him locked in a bunker away from threats. Their job is to take the bullet. Unless they can prove that his appearance is an imminent threat to his well-being they have no jurisdiction to dictate appearance dates, times, and locations. :thumbsup: Big winner.

[Captain_Poncho]

Would you guys stop posting replys to LABS? I don't like to have to scroll through your reasoned responses... It takes up the bandwidth that should be saved for LABS' next hilarious cut-n-paste cartoon!

They're so cool!

LABS... You go girl!

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Would you guys stop posting replys to LABS? I don't like to have to scroll through your reasoned responses... It takes up the bandwidth that should be saved for LABS' next hilarious cut-n-paste cartoon!

Translation:

"When this LABF guy posts political cartoons that ring true about my role model dubya, I see red--but, for some strange reason, I just can't seem to reach for the 'ignore' button!"

[Captain_Poncho]

Translation?

LABS, here I am, sticking up for your righteous voice of reason and admirable cut-n-pasting of poorly done Photoshop jobs, and you're being mean to me?

You're gonna make me cry right here in fronta everybody!

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...your righteous voice of reason and admirable cut-n-pasting of poorly done Photoshop jobs...

Poor Panocha:

Reality and fact just keep conspiring against him and his favorite Saudi sock puppet.

Being a republican must be a veritable stress-fest these days.

Reports that led to terror alert were years old, officials say

WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 - Much of the information that led the authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the New York City and Washington areas was three or four years old, intelligence and law enforcement officials said on Monday. They reported that they had not yet found concrete evidence that a terrorist plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/03/politics/03intel.html

[Rascal]

Hey numbnuts...if your own poster boy (ie Clinton) says that he thinks it was a good thing to go to alert and doesn't think it was politically motivated why in the hell should I even bother listening to you (I don't listen to anyway but nevertheless)?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Billy Jeff, whom I voted for (doing my Heinz-Kerry - I served in Viet nam) says that he agreed with Bush puts the whole issue to rest. Only the far left whackos will continue the screaming.

I gotta admire Billy Jeff for putting politics aside and worrying about the country ahead of the party.

[Blueflame]

I gotta admire Bill

Taken out of context, but I gotta save this for posterity anyway... ;D ;D ;D

[Exile_In_SJ]

Taken out of context, but I gotta save this for posterity anyway... ;D ;D ;D


lol.. no sweat, I did (just like Heinz Kerry served in Viet Nam) vote for Billy Jeff.....

you just pulled a Michael Moore..... neener neener neener

[Blueflame]

lol.. no sweat, I did (just like Heinz Kerry served in Viet Nam) vote for Billy Jeff.....

you just pulled a Michael Moore..... neener neener neener

ROFLMAO... Yeah, I did... and I admitted it too... it wasn't fair or balanced at all... ROFL! :devil:

[Exile_In_SJ]

what was this thread about again?

[Spider]

http://www.msnbc.com/comics/editorial/tt040804.gif

[Exile_In_SJ]

never too late to call for an invasion of Mexico...let's go.....lol

[Blueflame]

never too late to call for an invasion of Mexico...let's go.....lol

Yeah... there's literally gallons of tequila that need liberating... :P

[Spider]

never too late to call for an invasion of Mexico...let's go.....lol
;D I hear the food down there is good , Besides Mexico has better weather then Canada ........... Agreed lets invade mexico :thumbsup:

[Rohirrim]

I get Baja!

[Spider]

I get Baja!
Greedy aint ya ;D

[Blueflame]

I get Baja!

If you meant Baja Fan, that sounds kinda gay, Roh... not that there's anything wrong with that... :devil:

[Rascal]

Haha!! Rohirrim wants to get Baja! Get ready to be Rohirrimed Baja.

Speaking of baja, where has he been recently?

I went to the members page and its like some of his information has been deleted.

[Rohirrim]

If you meant Baja Fan, that sounds kinda gay, Roh... not that there's anything wrong with that... :devil:

Well, I meant Baja California. Of course, I've never seen Baja Fan...

Is he clean shaven?

[Rascal]

If you beg he might shave for you.

And of course you meant Baja California....right....

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Billy Jeff, whom I voted for (doing my Heinz-Kerry - I served in Viet nam) says that he agreed with Bush puts the whole issue to rest.

Not exactly.

President Clinton only "agreed" with Smirk insofar as he commented on the need to take the intel seriously.

He didn't comment on the apparent political motivations (don't let Fux News tell you the GOP isn't worried about the bounce from the DNC convention) behind the timing of BushCo's action upon the four-year-old intelligence data.

Also, it's a matter of protocol/etiquette that former presidents aren't supposed to criticize their successors. Anyone who has been watching him knows that sometimes Clinton is able to hold his tongue, sometimes he is not.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Really? I think that only holds true for Republican ex-presidents... Jimmy carter often shoots his mouth off. Funny how the worst president in recent memory has the gall to criticize anyone.

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Funny how the worst president in recent memory has the gall to criticize anyone.

Yes, it is funny how Dubya has the gall to point fingers at anyone.

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Carter is the most honest and decent president in recent memory.

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"Terror threat" was really three years old

They had to do something to counter DemoCon2004

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040803/ts_nm/security_alert_dc_27

The decision to warn key U.S. financial centers they may be attacked by al Qaeda
was based largely on three-year old information, Tom Ridge was forced to amdit
after getting caught, but he still insisted the threat was real.

Ridge denied there was any political motivation behind raising the terror alert when Bush and Kerry are neck-and-neck in polls ahead of November's presidential election.

They got caught, red f-ing handed, scaring America for short-term political gain.

http://www.bartcop.com/keep-the_pledge.jpg

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Ridge might have had some credibility if he had told the public that the intel was three years old when he initially issued the warning.

But he didn't acknowledge this ****ling detail until after he got caught.

Distorting intelligence for political purposes:

Bidness as usual for BushCorp.

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Billy Jeff, whom I voted for (doing my Heinz-Kerry - I served in Viet nam) says that he agreed with Bush puts the whole issue to rest. Only the far left whackos will continue the screaming.

Riiiight.

Larry Johnson, a former counter-terrorism official at the CIA and State Department is the epitome of a "far left whacko."

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3809463

Hilarious! @ the BushCo Kool-Aid Drinker.