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watermock
07-27-2004, 11:31 PM
"Reason and Ideology"

I find it amusing that Ronnie seems to think that stem cells will be taken at 5 days.

How many women know they are pregnant at 5 days and decide to make stem cell research?

The term "embryonic" is rather amusing. Notice how he says 5 days repeatedly.

IMO, since we can chop babies into pieces under the existing law, so beyond this imaginary "no mind no fingers no conciousnous" assertion was beyond amusing.

How many abortions do you think are done at 5 days?

My guess would be much less than one percent. Which raises another question. You go ahead and create an embryo and insert a clone DNA?

Considering 20 million abortions are performed, why not, but it just makes more rediculous the assumption. Reagan also made incredible assumptions that stem cell research would of prevented his fathers death, who he constantly critiqued as a stone cold liberal.

Here is the point. You have to go back to the fundamental issue why so many abortions are performed.

The convenience of "embryo" is so misleading, because most abortions are well, well beyond that threshold. It was totally disengenuous.

He is asserting an egg is fertilized and can be taken out and redone with different DNA. I know it can be done. It allready has been.

He doesn't bring much else to the table. They can grow organs. They can't grow brains.

Fact of the matter is that it does raise ethical standards, even if its an embryo.

What he fails to mention is it's not 5 days.

at 30 days, it's a different matter isn't it!

So whatever.

All he is doing is placing some sort of acceptable random determination of life.

I heard him.

"It doesn't have any fingers, it doesn't feel any pain..."

The reason he's anxious is because by the first month the heartbeat is there.

So I tell you this you moron.

Dont call it Embyro studies.

I have allready told you to freeze your childs birth cord.

That gives stem cells and DNA.

I'm must going to bottle my head with Terri Garr.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2004, 01:41 AM
"In a few months, we will face a choice. Yes, between two candidates and two parties, but more than that. We have a chance to take a giant stride forward for the good of all humanity. We can choose between the future and the past, between reason and ignorance, between true compassion and mere ideology. This is our moment, and we must not falter."

--Ron Reagan Jr., explaining why John Kerry should be our next president

Ron nailed smirk.

(Without naming him, of course.)

He made it so apparent to everyday Joes/Janes who don't really get what stem cell research is all about how the Rethugs have absconded with this issue and tried to make it about wedge issues and pro-life propaganda when it is nothing of the sort. He was like a teacher--explaining to those who have been lied to continuously not only by the Repugs, but by a lazy, whorish media too greedy and self-interested to do their homework.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2004, 02:03 AM
Stem research offers new hope for people with life-threatening illnesses ranging from Alzheimer's to diabetes. Bush's decision not to fund this research is a clear indication that in Bush's America, politics and ideology trump scientific progress and the hope that such progress offers to millions of Americans.

But you don't have to take my word for it - there are 48 Nobel Prize Winners supporting John Kerry for that very reason:

http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00010738.html

Garcia Bronco
07-28-2004, 05:33 AM
I'm gonna have to give it up for Jr. He layed it down up there last night. And he's right...it is reason.

Hogan11
07-28-2004, 06:10 AM
I'm gonna have to give it up for Jr. He layed it down up there last night. And he's right...it is reason.

I agree...but with a subject such as this...no speech in the world is gonna sway anyone from their position on this issue.

Garcia Bronco
07-28-2004, 11:10 AM
I agree...but with a subject such as this...no speech in the world is gonna sway anyone from their position on this issue.


At least it helps bring the issue to the forefront.

alkemical
07-28-2004, 03:10 PM
stem cells are not just in fetuses - umbilical cords have stem cells