Teresa Kerry Decries Incivility Then Tells Reporter To "Shove It" (caught on tape)

[TexanBob]

http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/0726/3576483.200k.asx

For those with a little trouble following along, Ms. Kerry is addressing the Pennsylvania delegation to the Democrat convention and decries "un-Pennsylvanian and un-American traits" that have been creeping into politics towards the end of her speech.

A reporter from the Pittsburgh Tribune then asks her what she meant by "un-American". She denies she said it, not once but twice and asks why the reporter is putting words in her mouth. Then, after leaving, she storms back at the reporter and tells him to "shove it".

Her media handler then excuses her outburst because of who the reporter works for.

Don't expect to see this on CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS or the rest of the unfair and unbalanced media. But the proof is there, captured by a Pittsburgh TV station.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The new GOP slogan:

"Go f*ck yourself!"

(Courtesy of VP "Potty Mouth" Cheney)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The reporter is an editorial page editor who's been smearing Heinz

Apparently he was putting words into her mouth, asking her why she called something "un-American." She said, "I didn't say that" many, many times and eventually told the guy to "shove it." The right-wing media is going to have a field day with this, I'm sure. Wait for the spin about how she's a loose cannon or something.

Of course, Dick Cheney can tell a senator to "**** off" on the senate floor, and it's no big deal, but the wife of a candidate tells a reporter who is hassling her to "shove it" and it will be a big story.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The reporter is an editorial page editor who's been smearing Heinz on the pages of the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune Review, according to Kevin Drum. His name is Colin McNichol. I understand he's been flogging the Tides bs that's made its way from the editorial pages of his newspaper to internet spam to the pages of the WSJ.

Here is the exchange:

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/3576476/detail.html:

"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," she told her fellow Pennsylvanians at a Sunday night reception at the Massachusetts Statehouse.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on exactly what she meant by the term "un-American," according to a tape of the encounter recorded by WTAE Channel 4 Action News.

Heinz Kerry said "I didn't say that" several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, "You said something I didn't say. Now shove it."

[Rascal]

If you had watched the tape LABF you would see that she did in fact say those exact words. The reporter was asking what he meant by those words and she denied even saying them. Either she is lying, or she is too stupid to remember what she said. The reporter did her a favor by asking what she meant, rather then assuming what she meant and printing that which most reporters would have done. She then got defensive with that reporter and denied saying, and even accused the reporter of putting words into her mouth.

Does it matter who the reporter works for or what political slant he has...no. And the reason for that is because it was captured on tape and no political hogwashing needs to be done. She said it, she lied about it when confronted about it.

A big story huh...right that's why only this local newspaper has anything about it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow--this is SO much worse than VP Potty Mouth saying "go f*ck yourself" on the senate floor.

Wonder when we'll see the outrage from the "family values" crowd over that one?

[Rascal]

Wow--this is SO much worse than VP Potty Mouth saying "go f*ck yourself" on the senate floor.

Wonder when we'll see the outrage from the "family values" crowd over that one?

Did I say it was? No I didn't. Personally I don't give a rats ass what she said to the reporter. What's amusing is that you went off and defended her, mistakingly I might add, without even watching the video tape and making an ass out of yourself.

She said it, she then denied it. Either she is too dumb to realize she said it, or she lied about it and has the same backbone as her husband-NONE. I don't care which it is, because I won't be casting my vote based on what the potential First Lady says or does.

And I find it rather humerous that Cheney told the senator to "go f*uck yourself". It's a change from the lifeless VP's we've had in the past. At least we know this guy has some emotion and has a pulse (withstanding any future heart attacks LOL).

Assuming that the governor was correct in that she was talking about the political mudslinging going on, then I would even say I agree with her, but that is mute anyway.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't care which it is, because I won't be casting my vote based on what the potential First Lady says or does.

Then why are you even involved in this discussion?

And I find it rather humerous(sic) that Cheney told the senator to "go f*uck yourself".

'Nuf said about your morals, I guess.

[Rascal]

I don't care which it is, because I won't be casting my vote based on what the potential First Lady says or does.

Then why are you even involved in this discussion?

And I find it rather humerous(sic) that Cheney told the senator to "go f*uck yourself".

'Nuf said about your morals, I guess.

LOL!! LABF said something about morals...LOL!!!!!!!! How ironic.

I just wanted to see what the thread was about and I watched the video. Then I saw your post and noticed your obvious error and corrected you on it.

[Mile High Shack]

LOL!! LABF said something about morals...LOL!!!!!!!! How ironic.

I just wanted to see what the thread was about and I watched the video. Then I saw your post and noticed your obvious error and corrected you on it.


he didn't watch the video..that is obvious.

[TexanBob]

I normally ignore the rantings of a lunatic but he has a point (which I knew would be brought up). Even if Cheney felt better about it, I don't like f-bombs being tossed around the Senate chamber, even if provoked or in an off-the-cuff moment. But the media did spend a week on it so viewers like LABF can be aware of it and factor it into their decision on whom they should elect.

But in choosing who will be "co-president" (in Democrat terms) for the next four years, will the public have a week of stories in the "mainstream media" about Madame Kerry's blowup, even though this was directed at a member of the press *and* caught on tape? Not on your life.

If a Republican were stealing and destroying documents from the National Archives, would the media let them get away with saying these were "inadvertant" "mistakes" caused by "sloppiness"? Yeah, like anyone would really inadvertantly mistakenly shove top secret docs down their shorts and into their socks! But because it's a Democrat, the media snickers and thinks its fun and games rather than a threat to national security.

What the liberals are either too blind to understand or unable to admit to themselves is that the Limbaughs, Hannitys and Fox Newses would not exist nor have the audience they do if the mainstream press did their jobs fairly. But they don't. They spend two months on Abu Ghraib looking for the highest scapegoat they can find and two minutes on how most Iraqis are grateful that the Americans have freed them from Saddam and eager to venture forward into a new government.

The unfair media created the market for Limbaugh, et al with their one-sidedness. They could never survive as they are if the media told the truth instead of silencing whatever doesn't fit the Democrat agenda.

I posted this thread because, otherwise, more people would be unaware of whom they could be putting into the White House next January. If the media did their jobs the right way, I wouldn't feel the need to.

[Captain_Poncho]

Cheney was an idiot to curse on the senate floor. Inexcusable, but not something we need to string him up for.

Same deal with this insanely rich woman. She's an idiot for pulling something that stupid, but it's not the end of the world.

LABF coming charging to her rescue without watching the video was the best part of this whole thread. Hilarious!

[Taco John]

Well this does it. Kerry is probably going to lose a lot of votes over this one. Who wants a first lady who doesn't like the media? The cute, cuddly, always respectful media.

Anyone who has a wife who doesn't like the media is not electable. So long as Laura Bush behaves herself, this one is in the bag...

...but then, there is that whole matter of Jenna Bush sticking her tongue out at those poor, poor reporters. This is going to take some careful consideration. I just don't know if I can give my vote to someone who has direct family members who don't show the media the proper respect that they clearly deserve.

[Rohirrim]

I think anybody who tells the media to shove it deserves some kind of medal.

[Rascal]

I would have to agree with that. But then my pro-Bush side pulls me back saying, "No you fool, you can't agree with Mrs. Heinz!!"

So I am indecisive :)

[twotimes3233]

http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/0726/3576483.200k.asx

For those with a little trouble following along, Ms. Kerry is addressing the Pennsylvania delegation to the Democrat convention and decries "un-Pennsylvanian and un-American traits" that have been creeping into politics towards the end of her speech.

A reporter from the Pittsburgh Tribune then asks her what she meant by "un-American". She denies she said it, not once but twice and asks why the reporter is putting words in her mouth. Then, after leaving, she storms back at the reporter and tells him to "shove it".

Her media handler then excuses her outburst because of who the reporter works for.

Don't expect to see this on CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS or the rest of the unfair and unbalanced media. But the proof is there, captured by a Pittsburgh TV station.


OF COURSE....


No one remembers the Smirking Chimp saying into a live microphone "that reporter is a real asshole"

It's only uncivil when the liberals do it.

All I know is that THK isn't responsible for the deaths of over 900 Americans and thousands of innocent Iraqi's...
men, women and children all to line the pockets of Bechtel and Halliburton.

This woman has acid for blood and she doesn't take any crap from anyone.
At least she's not a vapid, opinionless, drugged up, spineless nobody, like the current first lady.

[Captain_Poncho]

OF COURSE....


No one remembers the Smirking Chimp saying into a live microphone "that reporter is a real asshole"

It's only uncivil when the liberals do it.

All I know is that THK isn't responsible for the deaths of over 900 Americans and thousands of innocent Iraqi's...
men, women and children all to line the pockets of Bechtel and Halliburton.

This woman has acid for blood and she doesn't take any crap from anyone.
At least she's not a vapid, opinionless, drugged up, spineless nobody, like the current first lady.

Holy cow. Is this LABS' long lost twin brother Francis?

[TexanBob]

I just don't know if I can give my vote to someone who has direct family members who don't show the media the proper respect that they clearly deserve.

We report. You decide. Isn't the First Amendment a beautiful thing?

[TexanBob]

It's only uncivil when the liberals do it.



No, but it is hypocritical to criticize others for being uncivil, painting them as "un-American", and then telling a reporter to "shove it" when he asks her what she meant by "un-American", denying that she had even used the phrase.


At least she's not a vapid, opinionless, drugged up, spineless nobody, like the current first lady.


I'm sorry. You must have her confused with Tipper Gore.

[watermock]

First, Cheney's remark wasn't on the "floor", it was during the "class picture", coincidently the only time every member was present all year.

Second, Cheney is sick and tired of two faced back stabbers acting all chummy for a photo op.

Third, Cheney didn't deny saying it. Mrs. Heinz did.

[Exile_In_SJ]

I think anybody who tells the media to shove it deserves some kind of medal.


Exactly the way many peope feel about Cheney telling some putz to f-off

[Exile_In_SJ]

I don't mind the foul mouthed mrs. heinz, she will be back spending her first husbands money after november anyway. I'm wondering if mizz ketcup would take her husbands name if the country should end up being unfortunate enough to be stuck with FrankenKerry as pres?

She and the poodle have so much in common, both married into someone else's money, but the poodle traded up in quantity.

[Blueflame]

IMO, Ms. Heinz-Kerry should not have allowed the reporter to shake her composure. However, this is absolutely not comparable to the vice president's outburst. First off, Ms. Heinz-Kerry is not running for office, nor will she hold any position of power regardless of the outcome of the election. Mr. Cheney is and does. Second, the level of the outburst wasn't even close. Let's just say for the sake of argument, if one's kids emulated both incidents. Telling a sibling to "shove it" would result in a lecture that such language is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.... however saying to "go "f" yourself" would require more emphatic sanctions... probably involving soap.

[Rascal]

IMO, Ms. Heinz-Kerry should not have allowed the reporter to shake her composure. However, this is absolutely not comparable to the vice president's outburst. First off, Ms. Heinz-Kerry is not running for office, nor will she hold any position of power regardless of the outcome of the election. Mr. Cheney is and does. Second, the level of the outburst wasn't even close. Let's just say for the sake of argument, if one's kids emulated both incidents. Telling a sibling to "shove it" would result in a lecture that such language is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.... however saying to "go "f" yourself" would require more emphatic sanctions... probably involving soap.

Wrong on both accounts.

If my son told a senator to "go f yourself", he would get a raise in allowance.

If my daughter told a newspaper to shove off, she would also get a raise in allowance.

But then thats because I don't like politicians or the media.

I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion, and I thought the Cheney thing was blown out of proportion. So they are emotional people and lost their cool for a bit. Big freaking deal! Who hasn't?

Move on.

[Blueflame]

Wrong on both accounts.

If my son told a senator to "go f yourself", he would get a raise in allowance.

If my daughter told a newspaper to shove off, she would also get a raise in allowance.

But then thats because I don't like politicians or the media.

I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion, and I thought the Cheney thing was blown out of proportion. So they are emotional people and lost their cool for a bit. Big freaking deal! Who hasn't?

Move on.

Wrong, eh? Well, I'd concede "different". While I share your distaste for politicians and the media, I still couldn't and wouldn't condone my kids using such language... to anyone. Of course, I'm realistic enough to realize that eventually, most kids will choose to use the "gutter vernacular", yet the keyword is "eventually". By "kids", I'm referring to my 11-year-olds, btw... and trust me, politicians will not be setting the "acceptability bar" for them. Ha!

I'll agree that the whole deal has been blown out of proportion, but nonetheless, one's point can be made without resorting to the ad hominem attack in most cases and a visceral emotional reaction often results in negative perceptions from the vantage point of onlookers (as opposed to a calm, unruffled demeanor).

[Rascal]

Wrong, eh? Well, I'd concede "different". While I share your distaste for politicians and the media, I still couldn't and wouldn't condone my kids using such language... to anyone. Of course, I'm realistic enough to realize that eventually, most kids will choose to use the "gutter vernacular", yet the keyword is "eventually". By "kids", I'm referring to my 11-year-olds, btw... and trust me, politicians will not be setting the "acceptability bar" for them. Ha!

I'll agree that the whole deal has been blown out of proportion, but nonetheless, one's point can be made without resorting to the ad hominem attack in most cases and a visceral emotional reaction often results in negative perceptions from the vantage point of onlookers (as opposed to a calm, unruffled demeanor).

Apparently my sarcasm about displining my non-existant kids didn't get through on this unemotional communication method.

I would have disciplined them, but inside I probably would have been proud at least a little bit.

I agree that a retort can be made without such comments, however, it is nice to know that for once we have people behind the scenes who exhibit some kind of emotion and are not lifeless robots. If anything, I think this makes Mr. Cheney and Mrs. Heinz look more appealing in that they are like normal people and lose their cool on occasion.

[Blueflame]

Apparently my sarcasm about displining my non-existant kids didn't get through on this unemotional communication method.

I would have disciplined them, but inside I probably would have been proud at least a little bit.

I agree that a retort can be made without such comments, however, it is nice to know that for once we have people behind the scenes who exhibit some kind of emotion and are not lifeless robots. If anything, I think this makes Mr. Cheney and Mrs. Heinz look more appealing in that they are like normal people and lose their cool on occasion.

LOL It's all good.

For people in the public spotlight, though, they do need to realize that kids may emulate their behavior. And while this applies more to sports heroes than to politicians, kids may be confused if they're punished for saying certain words while the media/their parents/the establishment pretty much says it's OK for some adults to publicly and unapologetically use them.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

he didn't watch the video..that is obvious.

Um, actually I saw it before you guys woke up this morning.

I think anybody who tells the media to shove it deserves some kind of medal.

Agreed.

Especially when, as a spokeswoman for Heinz Kerry later said, "This was sheer frustration aimed at a right-wing rag that has consistently and purposely misrepresented the facts in reporting on Mrs. Kerry and her family."

Feel-Good Speak

by Barney Frank

I am recommending to my fellow elected officials—and to others engaged in public controversies—a semantic solution to this dilemma: use the word "Cheney" where discretion is required in the expression of frustration, anger, or extreme derision."

Examples:
Go Cheney yourself.
How the Cheney would I know?
Cheney you.
I don’t give a flying Cheney.
Who the Cheney do you think you are?

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/this_just_in/documents/03997148.asp

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Same deal with this insanely rich woman.

A supporter of the ultimate silver-spooner (bush) making an issue of a presidential candidate's wife's family fortune?

LMAO!

Classic!

[Hogan11]

Much ado about nothing.....She told a reporter to shove it.....gasp!

I'm willing to bet that she'd actually earn votes for the ticket if she continues to tell reporters who cross her to shove it from now on.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm willing to bet that she'd actually earn votes for the ticket if she continues to tell reporters who cross her to shove it from now on.

Now if she starts referring to them as "media whores" or "infotainment lapdogs" then it's a lock.

;)

[Bronco Yoda]

I saw it on the news and thought it was kinda funny... I thought good for. However I had no idea if she had a legit reason or not. I bet she's embarrassed now. or maybe not.

I'm sure she's a spoiled rich ol bat that's use to getting her way and not use to anyone questioning anything from her. I was however impressed with her interview a month ago on prime time. Under controlled circumstances she appeared very articulate and more personable than I would have imagined. Of course that was just one interview but she left a very good impression. I know she speaks 5 or 6 languages so she's no dummy.

I'll bet she'd be hell on wheels with the White House staff however. Demanding is the elitist rich middle name no matter side of the isle your sitting on.

All in all I say good for her. Boy she looked flustered. Good thing she didn't knee him LOL.

[Rascal]

he didn't watch the video..that is obvious.

Um, actually I saw it before you guys woke up this morning.

If you saw it before the rest of us woke up then why did you make such an ass out of yourself? Forget the morning coffee?

[Exile_In_SJ]

It's funny how some people saying what they feel and everyine gets their panties in a bunch.

Have you ever seen Korean politicians physically attacking each other? I'd pay to see a few american pols do that. Personally I'd tell all reporters to shove it, and all sanctimonious senators to f*ck off.....Why do people show any respect to politicians at all? Politicians are the lowest common denominator. They aren't the best we have to offer. None of them. Not Clinton, Not Bush, Not Kerry.. maybe Lincoln was because of his results. So when one politician or one politicians wife says something not so polite to another politician or a media representative, so what?

I'd be more upset if ones child did it.

[Exile_In_SJ]

some here defend Heinz and excoriate Cheney, Defending Heinz for being frustrated. Well, Cheney was just responding to Leahys slanderous remarks and then trying to be buddy buddy. I'm surprised Cheney didn't deck the putz.

It's all good political entertainment.

[football idiot]

if you're going to make up words like un-pennsylvanian and throw around vague references to un-american activities. if you want to be a first lady and give speeches supporting your husbands run for the presidency, then you better be damn well ready to answer questions about what the heck you were talking about.

nuff said.

silly old rich girl.

Vote Kerry, his first wife wasn't rich enough so he found someone richer. Now he thinks he can afford to buy the presidency. Good for him.

[Captain_Poncho]

I'm feeling quite un-Pennsylvanian myself.

Especially where the Eagles and Squeelers are concerned.

I guess Mrs. Heinz-Kerry would probably tell me to shove it.

But I'd just give her a hearty Mile High Salute.

[Rohirrim]

if you're going to make up words like un-pennsylvanian and throw around vague references to un-american activities. if you want to be a first lady and give speeches supporting your husbands run for the presidency, then you better be damn well ready to answer questions about what the heck you were talking about.

nuff said.

silly old rich girl.

Vote Kerry, his first wife wasn't rich enough so he found someone richer. Now he thinks he can afford to buy the presidency. Good for him.

What a fool to think that he could tread into Bush territory. Nyah!

[Exile_In_SJ]

What a fool to think that he could tread into Bush territory. Nyah!

yeah Bush is worth what, 20 million or so, and Kerry's bankroller is worth what? 3 billion? Heck, Kerry is trying to buy the presidency with his wife's money.. and George Soros' money (who btw raped malaysia's currency to help build his fortune)

John Kennedy had his daddy and the chicago Daley machine buy his presidency

[Rohirrim]

Politics in this country has come down to money and connections - on both sides of the aisle. I'm all for changing that. But the reality for now is, no dough, no show.

[Exile_In_SJ]

All politics is money, has been for some time

[Rohirrim]

John Kennedy had his daddy and the chicago Daley machine buy his presidency

That's a myth. Read Arthur Schlesinger to dispel that one. BTW, the majority of Kerry's dough has come from small donors across the country via the internet.

[Rascal]

That's a myth. Read Arthur Schlesinger to dispel that one. BTW, the majority of Kerry's dough has come from small donors across the country via the internet.

BS!!

Try lawyers after he got Edwards.

[alkemical]

http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/0726/3576483.200k.asx

For those with a little trouble following along, Ms. Kerry is addressing the Pennsylvania delegation to the Democrat convention and decries "un-Pennsylvanian and un-American traits" that have been creeping into politics towards the end of her speech.

A reporter from the Pittsburgh Tribune then asks her what she meant by "un-American". She denies she said it, not once but twice and asks why the reporter is putting words in her mouth. Then, after leaving, she storms back at the reporter and tells him to "shove it".

Her media handler then excuses her outburst because of who the reporter works for.

Don't expect to see this on CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS or the rest of the unfair and unbalanced media. But the proof is there, captured by a Pittsburgh TV station.


actually i heard this on abc-radio - sunday night -

dye your wool, your roots are showing

[Bronco Yoda]

Politics in this country has come down to money and connections - on both sides of the aisle. I'm all for changing that. But the reality for now is, no dough, no show.

Actually it's always been that way. Even our founding fathers were men at the top of the totem pole. Difference is they weren't into career politics. Our way of government was not really intended for these career politicians who ever well intended eventually get bogged down with owned favors and corruption.

In this country we need more politicians from different backgrounds, different races, etc... People who will bring their civilian talents into gov. rejuvenate it and then get hell out before getting too caught up in it all.

All these extremely rich and powerful families and their pampered Life long career politicians do us no good in most cases.

[TexanBob]

That's a myth. Read Arthur Schlesinger to dispel that one.

The Arthur Schlesinger that worked in the Kennedy White House? A real objective source there.

BTW, the majority of Kerry's dough has come from small donors across the country via the internet.

Nonsense. He took out a huge loan against one his estates owned by his wife to fund his campaign. He's also got to pay that back before the end of the year while skirting campaign finance laws. But getting around the law is never a problem for Democrats (see Florida Supreme Court, 2000 or New Jersey Supreme Court 2002) so there shouldn't be any worry.

[REB]

Wouldn't bother me if our slogan was go f yourself as long as I don't have to hear one more 1 billion dollar liberal tell a 30,000.00 a year worker that I Love you and your family cuz your lower then me, but SHOVE IT!

Yeah F you OF COURSE

REB

1-2-3BRONCOS!!!!!!!

[Hogan11]

Teresa was a republican for years before wedding Kerry....maybe that's where she gets this abrasiveness of her's from....hell, the GOP even wanted her to run for her husband's seat after he was killed as a republican....of course now after marrying Kerry, she's evil incarnate....yeah, whatever ::)

[Rohirrim]

The Arthur Schlesinger that worked in the Kennedy White House? A real objective source there.
He's a very respected historian, in most circles.

Nonsense. He took out a huge loan against one his estates owned by his wife to fund his campaign. He's also got to pay that back before the end of the year while skirting campaign finance laws. But getting around the law is never a problem for Democrats (see Florida Supreme Court, 2000 or New Jersey Supreme Court 2002) so there shouldn't be any worry.

Notice, I said the "majority." Last month, he got 30 million off the internet.

[TexanBob]

He's a very respected historian, in most circles.


Doesn't mean he has no biases. Look at Doris Kearns Goodwin: very respected historian and, when she gets on tv, also clearly a Democrat suck-up. Any historian who gushes gooingly about Bill Clinton is certainly not objective no matter how many degrees they hold or favorable reviews from the New York Times.

[Rohirrim]

Doesn't mean he has no biases. Look at Doris Kearns Goodwin: very respected historian and, when she gets on tv, also clearly a Democrat suck-up. Any historian who gushes gooingly about Bill Clinton is certainly not objective no matter how many degrees they hold or favorable reviews from the New York Times.

Everyone has biases. A historian must back up his positions with fact in order to retain his reputation amongst his colleagues. Schlesinger has a very strong reputation. So does Goodwin.

[alkemical]

both parties are pick pockets - both represent the america i hate