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wolf754life
09-27-2017, 05:37 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/27/john-elway-hopeful-to-take-politics-out-of-football-moving-foward/

interesting from Mr. Inauguration Trumpy FanBoy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President of Football Ops/GM John Elway to <a href="https://twitter.com/BroncosTV">@BroncosTV</a> on players’ National Anthem statements: <a href="https://t.co/Q6F9rszh4x">pic.twitter.com/Q6F9rszh4x</a></p>&mdash; Denver Broncos (@Broncos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/912820547553304576">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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wolf754life
09-27-2017, 05:38 AM
In March, Elway wrote a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsing the candidacy of Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court. He did so on his personal letterhead (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/20/john-elway-endorses-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch/), which includes Broncos logos.

Apparently it was OK for Elway to support a political appointee with the weight of the Broncos behind him in March, but now that it’s a protest by the players he wants to “take the politics out of football.”

IndelibleScribe
09-27-2017, 06:05 AM
Politics have always been in football, they have a ****ing anti trust exemption.
This is about optics, they want the protests to go away so it doesn't scare sponsors.

Tonyels
09-27-2017, 06:31 AM
NFL better figure it out quick because they are losing viewership by the day. Kneeling is 'politically correct" but polls show majority believe you need to stand for the national anthem. Very difficult subject.

GoneFishin'
09-27-2017, 06:36 AM
If they want politics out of football the easiest way to do it is to discontinue playing the anthem before games.

Bigdawg26
09-27-2017, 06:50 AM
I don't think it's political anymore I think the main purpose of the moment is lost. Now, I think it's Trump vs the NFL. And contray to his belief, the general public really do not like him!

BowlenBall
09-27-2017, 06:57 AM
Hypocrisy, thy name is Elway.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/srR8NGoDkBvTzVStdQI3QQ4F6zE=/0x0:927x618/1310x873/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53785903/C7YPoUXU0AEecfn.0.jpg

Willynowei
09-27-2017, 07:20 AM
"politically correct" is the biggest nonsense I've ever seen.

All of this is nonesense. It should be okay for natzis to demonstrate, that's right, I said it. This is America, you say what you want, people died for that right.

It should also be okay to do whatever the **** you want during the anthem.

Everyone who cares about this crap just doesn't get it. I don't care you can all be offended.

OABB
09-27-2017, 07:52 AM
"politically correct" is the biggest nonsense I've ever seen.

All of this is nonesense. It should be okay for natzis to demonstrate, that's right, I said it. This is America, you say what you want, people died for that right.

It should also be okay to do whatever the **** you want during the anthem.

Everyone who cares about this crap just doesn't get it. I don't care you can all be offended.

I am fine with the kneeling. I'm not fine with fortunate people complaining they are being oppressed. It's embarrassing.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 07:59 AM
What a hypocrite...

bronco militia
09-27-2017, 08:00 AM
If they want politics out of football the easiest way to do it is to discontinue playing the anthem before games.

they can go back to keeping the players in the locker room (before 2008-09)

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 08:02 AM
I am fine with the kneeling. I'm not fine with fortunate people complaining they are being oppressed. It's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing all right, but not for the reason you think.

The biggest "fortunate" whiner on the planet tweets about people picking on him for telling the truth about his criminality. Why is it that when people say that rich Wall Street scumbags who want to steal hard working people's money should be taxed appropriately certain people cry about their rights to keep what they "earn" in a free market system, and screech "SOCIALISM!" But when black athletes who grew up with NOTHING work their asses off to escape poverty and sacrifice years off their lives and possibly their own health in the process these same people call them "fortunate" if they complain about their friends and family being murdered in the streets?

Why is that?

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 08:11 AM
In March, Elway wrote a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsing the candidacy of Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court. He did so on his personal letterhead (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/20/john-elway-endorses-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch/), which includes Broncos logos.

Apparently it was OK for Elway to support a political appointee with the weight of the Broncos behind him in March, but now that it’s a protest by the players he wants to “take the politics out of football.”
With all due respect for his contribution to Denver, **** him.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-27-2017, 08:17 AM
With all due respect for his contribution to Denver, **** him.



So violent. The liberal way...

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 08:25 AM
So violent. The liberal way...
So stupid and disingenuous, the fascist way.

MamaMia
09-27-2017, 08:28 AM
It's embarrassing all right, but not for the reason you think.

The biggest "fortunate" whiner on the planet tweets about people picking on him for telling the truth about his criminality. Why is it that when people say that rich Wall Street scumbags who want to steal hard working people's money should be taxed appropriately certain people cry about their rights to keep what they "earn" in a free market system, and screech "SOCIALISM!" But when black athletes who grew up with NOTHING work their asses off to escape poverty and sacrifice years off their lives and possibly their own health in the process these same people call them "fortunate" if they complain about their friends and family being murdered in the streets?

Why is that?

Athletes: i dont have to do anything for anyone else, ive made it, i have money, and systematic racism and oppression dont have a significant impact on my livelihood anymore. But im going to risk my reputation to give a voice to those who are hurting.

General Public: How disrespectful! I watch football as part of an entertainment buffet that keeps me ignorant of the real problems in this country and i wont have you reminding me of them!!!

Chicago_Bronco
09-27-2017, 08:30 AM
I am fine with the kneeling. I'm not fine with fortunate people complaining they are being oppressed. It's embarrassing.

They are not just complaining that they are being oppressed. They are complaining that PEOPLE LIKE THEM are being oppressed. They are speaking out for others because they can.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-27-2017, 08:42 AM
They are not just complaining that they are being oppressed. They are complaining that PEOPLE LIKE THEM are being oppressed. They are speaking out for others because they can.




I'd like to hear from the "others". Ones who really know what it's like. Lmao at Hollywood and sports athletes screaming for equal rights.


These are people who use their stardom to seperate themselves in everyday public life. Go ask to take a picture with a cop on the street and see what happens, then go ask a Hollywood elite or athlete on the street to take a picture with them.

VIP in your everyday life. That's being equal! Ha! No one wants to hear from 23 year old millionaires what life it really like.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 08:58 AM
If they want politics out of football the easiest way to do it is to discontinue playing the anthem before games.

They could stop taking all that DOD money while they're at it.

Jason in LA
09-27-2017, 09:02 AM
They are not just complaining that they are being oppressed. They are complaining that PEOPLE LIKE THEM are being oppressed. They are speaking out for others because they can.

That's it right there. And many of those people like them are their family members, friends, and people who are close to them. Just because a person made it doesn't mean that they aren't affected by racial issues.

Also, a lot of these athletes aren't all that recognizable. I'm sure that the police officer who put a gun to the back of Michael Bennett's head didn't know that he was a wealthy athlete.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 09:03 AM
Athletes: i dont have to do anything for anyone else, ive made it, i have money, and systematic racism and oppression dont have a significant impact on my livelihood anymore...

Um...

https://s26.postimg.org/3u17s5d21/multi_m.jpg

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-27-2017, 09:44 AM
Lmao at "Bennett being brutalized"


I was in Vegas that weekend. It was a crazy scene. Maybe you shouldn't jump fences from a crime scene. Handcuffed on the ground = brutalized. Cops weren't even white. How do people spin a racist narrative when the cops aren't even white?

He fit the description and was jumping fences. Who the **** jumps fences?

TonyR
09-27-2017, 09:45 AM
The Real Problem: The Militarization of the NFL (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-real-problem-the-militarization-of-the-nfl/)
Professional sports should stop shilling for the warfare state.

Before 2009, Colin Kaepernick would have had to find some other way to protest racism against African Americans. That’s because until the height of the Iraq War, NFL football players weren’t even required to leave the locker room for the national anthem, much less stand for it.

That’s not to say that the national anthem didn’t take place before every game. The singing of “The Star Spangled Banner” was mandated during another war, World War II, when the NFL commissioner at the time mandated it for the league. The players were told to stand for it about the same time that the Department of Defense was ramping up massive recruitment and media operations around the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They began paying sports teams millions in U.S. tax dollars for what amounted to “paid patriotism,” or mega-military spectacles on the playing field before the games. It got so bad that there was a congressional investigation led by none other than Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a veteran and considered one of the most patriotic men in the Senate.

What McCain and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) found was that between 2012 and 2015, the DOD shelled out $53 million to professional sports—including $10 million to the NFL—on “marketing and advertising” for military recruitment. To be sure, some of that was bona fide advertising. But many of those heart-tugging ceremonies honoring heroes and recreating drills and marches and flyovers are what the report denounced as propaganda.

BroncoBeavis
09-27-2017, 10:52 AM
I agree, it would be better for dissenters to stay in the locker room. Not sure it's respecting anyone's 'rights' to deny the players who want to attend, though.

BroncoBeavis
09-27-2017, 11:04 AM
Also the whole 2009 connection isn't really entirely true...

http://www.snopes.com/nfl-sideline-anthem/

What actually changed in 2009, according to NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy, was that (due to network timing issues) players had previously remained in their locker rooms during the playing of the national anthem for primetime games. After 2009, players appeared in the sidelines for the anthem during primetime games, just as they had been doing all along for Sunday afternoon games. (The distinction often went unnoticed by viewers, as network telecasts frequently didn’t air the pre-game anthem ceremonies.)

champhalloffamer
09-27-2017, 11:59 AM
Its funny seeing all these predominantly white republicans releasing these cowardly statements. They have no concept of real life for millions of people in their own country or any empathy for other people's concerns. The owners are only speaking up now because the direct attack from Trump could have a negative effect on their brand. Its making them feel uncomfortable and that is the only way you can make positive change and create a dialogue for the problems in the US.

It is sad that Elway is using Broncos letterhead and using fake news in tweets and now is trying to use the keep politics out of sport line. He is either a massive hypocrite or has no self awareness. I would advise John to listen to his Hall of Fame and Broncos teammate Shannon Sharpe on fox sports who speaks so much sense and with so much emotion and passion on the subject of inequality in America.

The problem with Republicans in your country and the right in my country is they have such a narrow view and they think there is a simple solution to very complex problems and that's how you get a narcissist bully like trump as president. He told the voters he could solve these problems without even mentioning policy. The respect for America and its credibility around the world is at an all time low.

Garcia Bronco
09-27-2017, 12:18 PM
That's it right there. And many of those people like them are their family members, friends, and people who are close to them. Just because a person made it doesn't mean that they aren't affected by racial issues.

Also, a lot of these athletes aren't all that recognizable. I'm sure that the police officer who put a gun to the back of Michael Bennett's head didn't know that he was a wealthy athlete.

The police also didn't put a gun to his head because he's black. There was a shooting and they are trying to secure the area to find a killer. Everyone in the room is a suspect. And a casino is a huge room.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 12:24 PM
The Real Problem: The Militarization of the NFL (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-real-problem-the-militarization-of-the-nfl/)
Professional sports should stop shilling for the warfare state.

Before 2009, Colin Kaepernick would have had to find some other way to protest racism against African Americans. That’s because until the height of the Iraq War, NFL football players weren’t even required to leave the locker room for the national anthem, much less stand for it.

That’s not to say that the national anthem didn’t take place before every game. The singing of “The Star Spangled Banner” was mandated during another war, World War II, when the NFL commissioner at the time mandated it for the league. The players were told to stand for it about the same time that the Department of Defense was ramping up massive recruitment and media operations around the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They began paying sports teams millions in U.S. tax dollars for what amounted to “paid patriotism,” or mega-military spectacles on the playing field before the games. It got so bad that there was a congressional investigation led by none other than Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a veteran and considered one of the most patriotic men in the Senate.

What McCain and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) found was that between 2012 and 2015, the DOD shelled out $53 million to professional sports—including $10 million to the NFL—on “marketing and advertising” for military recruitment. To be sure, some of that was bona fide advertising. But many of those heart-tugging ceremonies honoring heroes and recreating drills and marches and flyovers are what the report denounced as propaganda.

^Bingo.

The military-industrial complex has been using propaganda to garner public support for it's insane budgets and endless wars for many decades. Every time I dissent on this forum when it comes to the pro-war, jingoistic culture that has completely taken over this country the backlash is ridiculous. Really, there is no hope for America as far as I can tell...

MamaMia
09-27-2017, 01:20 PM
Um...

https://s26.postimg.org/3u17s5d21/multi_m.jpg

i think you may have misinterpreted what i said...

BroncoBeavis
09-27-2017, 01:23 PM
^Bingo.

The military-industrial complex has been using propaganda to garner public support for it's insane budgets and endless wars for many decades. Every time I dissent on this forum when it comes to the pro-war, jingoistic culture that has completely taken over this country the backlash is ridiculous. Really, there is no hope for America as far as I can tell...

Mostly because like those 70's punks who spit on soldiers returning home, you can't separate the volunteers from their orders.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 01:29 PM
Mostly because like those 70's punks who spit on soldiers returning home, you can't separate the volunteers from their orders.

No, it's you people who can't separate the two when you call them heroes "for defending our freedom". That cliche is a joke and exists solely to undermine anti-war sentiment in this country. They aren't heroes. They aren't defending our freedom. They are serving the interests of the wealthy and powerful, nothing else (unknowingly in most cases, but that doesn't really matter).

For what it's worth I don't have any hostility towards veterans. I just don't have any veneration for them either. They're just tools ultimately, like most other Americans.

BroncoBeavis
09-27-2017, 01:39 PM
No, it's you people who can't separate the two when you call them heroes "for defending our freedom". That cliche is a joke and exists solely to undermine anti-war sentiment in this country. They aren't heroes. They aren't defending our freedom. They are serving the interests of the wealthy and powerful, nothing else (unknowingly in most cases, but that doesn't really matter).

For what it's worth I don't have any hostility towards veterans. I just don't have any veneration for them either. They're just tools ultimately, like most other Americans.

They sign up to do whatever the civilly elected government mandates they do in the interest of their country. Your beef is not with these men and women.

I don't know of many who were super excited to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, but they all know it's not their job to dictate how they do their job.

Military service is a bedrock requirement to keeping a free nation, and the sacrifices made towards that should be respected as opposed to ridiculed.

Rohirrim
09-27-2017, 01:42 PM
Ha! The football execs are trying to put a damper on this and now Trump doubles down and says the NFL can change, "...or go to hell." Stir that pot, you ****-stain. :rofl:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/09/27/trump-reporters-wh-nfl-go-to-hell-comments.cnn

There's a troll in the White House. Ha!

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 01:45 PM
They sign up to do whatever the civilly elected government mandates they do in the interest of their country. Your beef is not with these men and women.

I don't know of many who were super excited to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, but they all know it's not their job to dictate how they do their job.

Military service is a bedrock requirement to keeping a free nation, and the sacrifices made towards that should be respected as opposed to ridiculed.

Military service that is primarily engaged in wars overseas and illegal occupation of foreign countries is the bedrock of imperialism, not free nations. Use your brain Beavis.

Garcia Bronco
09-27-2017, 01:46 PM
Ha! The football execs are trying to put a damper on this and now Trump doubles down and says the NFL can change, "...or go to hell." Stir that pot, you ****-stain. :rofl:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/09/27/trump-reporters-wh-nfl-go-to-hell-comments.cnn

There's a troll in the White House. Ha!

Interesting...so the article is a video

The title is 'go to hell'

You type it as "Go to hell"

And neither is what he said.

That's why you always have to go to the source people. You can't read through the lens of a news organization and then through the lens of another poster.

W*GS
09-27-2017, 01:47 PM
Ha! The football execs are trying to put a damper on this and now Trump doubles down and says the NFL can change, "...or go to hell." Stir that pot, you ****-stain. :rofl:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/09/27/trump-reporters-wh-nfl-go-to-hell-comments.cnn

There's a troll in the White House. Ha!

https://i.imgur.com/1eKFtn3.jpg

Rohirrim
09-27-2017, 01:50 PM
Interesting...so the article is a video

The title is 'go to hell'

You type it as "Go to hell"

And neither is what he said.

That's why you always have to go to the source people. You can't read through the lens of a news organization and then through the lens of another poster.

He said the NFL can change or it will go to hell. ???

Garcia Bronco
09-27-2017, 01:53 PM
He said the NFL can change or it will go to hell. ???

What he said was that if, and I am paraphrasing, that if they, the NFL, do not find a solution to this that their business will go to hell. He's right. The NFL has to find a way to let their public employees protest without disrespecting the flag and the anthem. I think the Cowboys did it on Monday Night.

Rohirrim
09-27-2017, 01:58 PM
What he said was that if, and I am paraphrasing, that if they, the NFL, do not find a solution to this that their business will go to hell. He's right. The NFL has to find a way to let their public employees protest without disrespecting the flag and the anthem. I think the Cowboys did it on Monday Night.

It won't matter. The chunk of people (the base) that Trump is playing to won't care what anybody does, what they say, or what they intend. They'll believe what Donald tells them to believe. It's like a nationalized form of InfoWars with Trump playing Alex Jones. The Troll in Chief. He blurts out (or tweets) the crazy **** and they swallow every bit of it.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 02:05 PM
i think you may have misinterpreted what i said...

No - I was reinforcing what you said.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 02:07 PM
Mostly because like those 70's punks who spit on soldiers returning home, you can't separate the volunteers from their orders.

Still pimping that shop-worn urban legend, are you? ::)

DrOrangeLove
09-27-2017, 02:19 PM
I don't think it's political anymore I think the main purpose of the moment is lost. Now, I think it's Trump vs the NFL. And contray to his belief, the general public really do not like him!

I would argue contrary to necessary liberal delusions the general public doesn't agree with their political platform.

If you step outside your echo chamber for longer than five minutes, you'll find this isn't a battle your side can win.

Why?

The NFL's base is more conservative than the moonbats here would like to admit.

Meanwhile, the hate-America-first crowd isn't sitting down in the safe spaces to watch the NFL every Sunday. Most of the liberals I know don't know jack squat about professional football.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 02:26 PM
I would argue contrary to necessary liberal delusions the general public doesn't agree with their political platform.

If you step outside your echo chamber for longer than five minutes, you'll find this isn't a battle your side can win.

Why?

The NFL's base is more conservative than the moonbats here would like to admit.

Meanwhile, the hate-America-first crowd isn't sitting down in the safe spaces to watch the NFL every Sunday. Most of the liberals I know don't know jack squat about professional football.

L0L.

"Hate America first" from a supporter of a Russian puppet who attacks gold star families, denigrates the sacrifices of American POWs and uses bogus medical complaints to shirk military service.

Keep the thigh slappers coming, Jethro. Ha! :mullet2:

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 02:31 PM
I'd like to hear from the "others". Ones who really know what it's like. Lmao at Hollywood and sports athletes screaming for equal rights.
How bout you get off your ass and go down to visit the hood then? Or maybe turn on the TV and listen to what "the others" are saying instead of calling them terrorists.
These are people who use their stardom to seperate themselves in everyday public life. Go ask to take a picture with a cop on the street and see what happens, then go ask a Hollywood elite or athlete on the street to take a picture with them.
So they owe your dumb ass their time because you randomly see them in public? You're full of sh*t. Do you realize how many of these guys have families who live in these neighborhoods? They CAME from there, but they are privileged because they escaped?

Nitwit.

VIP in your everyday life. That's being equal! Ha! No one wants to hear from 23 year old millionaires what life it really like.
You have no ****ing clue what "life is really like" in these places.

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 02:35 PM
The police also didn't put a gun to his head because he's black. There was a shooting and they are trying to secure the area to find a killer. Everyone in the room is a suspect. And a casino is a huge room.
How many others did they threaten to blow their brains out? I've heard of none.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 02:39 PM
How many others did they threaten to blow their brains out? I've heard of none.

https://s26.postimg.org/99xtskleh/why_protest.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 02:51 PM
I would argue contrary to necessary liberal delusions the general public doesn't agree with their political platform.

Regressives like you are always on the wrong side of history, so it's no wonder you can't see which way the wind is blowing.

DON'T LET TRUMP'S WIN FOOL YOU—AMERICA'S GETTING MORE LIBERAL

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/dont-let-trumps-win-fool-americas-getting-liberal/

manchambo
09-27-2017, 02:54 PM
Its funny seeing all these predominantly white republicans releasing these cowardly statements. They have no concept of real life for millions of people in their own country or any empathy for other people's concerns. The owners are only speaking up now because the direct attack from Trump could have a negative effect on their brand. Its making them feel uncomfortable and that is the only way you can make positive change and create a dialogue for the problems in the US.

It is sad that Elway is using Broncos letterhead and using fake news in tweets and now is trying to use the keep politics out of sport line. He is either a massive hypocrite or has no self awareness. I would advise John to listen to his Hall of Fame and Broncos teammate Shannon Sharpe on fox sports who speaks so much sense and with so much emotion and passion on the subject of inequality in America.

The problem with Republicans in your country and the right in my country is they have such a narrow view and they think there is a simple solution to very complex problems and that's how you get a narcissist bully like trump as president. He told the voters he could solve these problems without even mentioning policy. The respect for America and its credibility around the world is at an all time low.

When people want to know what white privilege is, this is a great example. A bunch of old white guys believe that they are privileged to pronounce what standing for the anthem, or not standing for it, should mean for everyone.

DrOrangeLove
09-27-2017, 03:19 PM
Regressives like you are always on the wrong side of history, so it's no wonder you can't see which way the wind is blowing.

DON'T LET TRUMP'S WIN FOOL YOU—AMERICA'S GETTING MORE LIBERAL

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/dont-let-trumps-win-fool-americas-getting-liberal/

If the right side of history requires tolerating rampant degeneracy I'll happily stay on the "wrong" side.

And people with a moral compass don't actually concern themselves with which way the wind is blowing.

I don't think anyone can deny that with the demographic changes we have seen in this country coupled with the incessant cultural marxist agitprop spewed by the mainstream media certain segments of our society are getting more liberal. Unfortunately for the liberal elite they're going to find it will be increasingly difficult to keep their petting zoo of useful idiots on a tight leash. If/when the entitlement class usurps the nascent civic nationalist movement, it will be fun watching your dissimilar identitarian factions cannibalize each other.

W*GS
09-27-2017, 03:28 PM
If the right side of history requires tolerating rampant degeneracy I'll happily stay on the "wrong" side.

And people with a moral compass don't actually concern themselves with which way the wind is blowing.

I don't think anyone can deny that with the demographic changes we have seen in this country coupled with the incessant cultural marxist agitprop spewed by the mainstream media certain segments of our society are getting more liberal. Unfortunately for the liberal elite they're going to find it will be increasingly difficult to keep their petting zoo of useful idiots on a tight leash. If/when the entitlement class usurps the nascent civic nationalist movement, it will be fun watching your dissimilar identitarian factions cannibalize each other.

Move to Iran. They love theocrats like you.

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 04:06 PM
How many others did they threaten to blow their brains out? I've heard of none.

Because that never happened.

Hilarious!

You literally have to make **** up.

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 04:08 PM
Cant say im surprised that same people who believe the Mike Brown narrative of "Hand up Dont Shoot"

Also are now making up things that happened to Micheal Bennett, when the video clearly showed otherwise.

Video evidence and witness testimony means little to the SJW cause.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 04:35 PM
Because that never happened.

According to which Fox News host? ::)

You literally have to make **** up.

From the biggest purveyor of fake news on the Mane. Hilarious!

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 04:35 PM
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gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 04:40 PM
As a military veteran I will say this. I have been a Bronco fan for forty years (since 77) and not one time was I ever under any illusion that the players I watched and rooted for agreed with me political or in any other way. They played for the Broncos and I rooted for them to win. These players today kneeling are just doing what they think is right within the confines of what they have been allowed to do by their leaders (NFL mgt). What they are doing has nothing to do with free speech but everything to do with workplace policy just like all the rest of us have to operate within. They are for the most part young men and in my opinion being manipulated to advance an agenda they don't even realize they are advancing. Where I draw the line is the owners and NFL commissioner not only allowing this to happen by an employee representing their organization but supporting it being done. After forty years of being a bronco fan and being proud to be associated with not only the Broncos but the NFL it has come to an end. When the owners reacted the way they did it ended it for me. I have gotten rid of all my NFL and Broncos items dating back to the late 70's. I called the Broncos twice since the beginning of last season and told them please do not make me choose between my beloved broncos and my country. They forced my hand and I chose my country. I consider anyone at this time who supports the NFL to be at best ignorant or just not caring about our country. The USA are a diverse country with people from many different nationalities, religions, races, cultures, political views, etc. But there are three times we all come together 1. when we've been attacked from the outside. 2. when our fellow citizens find themselves in trouble from natural disaster and most importantly 3. during that sacred time when we honor our flag during the national anthem to celebrate all that is good in our country. The NFL has allowed that sacred time to be violated and for that I can never forgive them. For me its not the players its the organization. So it has been a very difficult few days since last Sunday but I came to this decision and feel good that I have chosen my country first. May God bless all those players in the NFL that have been put in a very difficult situations because of the incompetence and concern for political correctness above truth by the team owners and Roger Goodell to put this issue to bed a year ago when they had the opportunity to do so. They played with fire and now it will be enjoyable watching them get burned but painful to see the sport I loved crash and burn.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 04:44 PM
https://s26.postimg.org/lq46x6aft/IMG_6551.jpg.

BroncoBeavis
09-27-2017, 04:49 PM
As a military veteran I will say this. I have been a Bronco fan for forty years (since 77) and not one time was I ever under any illusion that the players I watched and rooted for agreed with me political or in any other way. They played for the Broncos and I rooted for them to win. These players today kneeling are just doing what they think is right within the confines of what they have been allowed to do by their leaders (NFL mgt). What they are doing has nothing to do with free speech but everything to do with workplace policy just like all the rest of us have to operate within. They are for the most part young men and in my opinion being manipulated to advance an agenda they don't even realize they are advancing. Where I draw the line is the owners and NFL commissioner not only allowing this to happen by an employee representing their organization but supporting it being done. After forty years of being a bronco fan and being proud to be associated with not only the Broncos but the NFL it has come to an end. When the owners reacted the way they did it ended it for me. I have gotten rid of all my NFL and Broncos items dating back to the late 70's. I called the Broncos twice since the beginning of last season and told them please do not make me choose between my beloved broncos and my country. They forced my hand and I chose my country. I consider anyone at this time who supports the NFL to be at best ignorant or just not caring about our country. The USA are a diverse country with people from many different nationalities, religions, races, cultures, political views, etc. But there are three times we all come together 1. when we've been attacked from the outside. 2. when our fellow citizens find themselves in trouble from natural disaster and most importantly 3. during that sacred time when we honor our flag during the national anthem to celebrate all that is good in our country. The NFL has allowed that sacred time to be violated and for that I can never forgive them. For me its not the players its the organization. So it has been a very difficult few days since last Sunday but I came to this decision and feel good that I have chosen my country first. May God bless all those players in the NFL that have been put in a very difficult situations because of the incompetence and concern for political correctness above truth by the team owners and Roger Goodell to put this issue to bed a year ago when they had the opportunity to do so. They played with fire and now it will be enjoyable watching them get burned but painful to see the sport I loved crash and burn.

I know a lot of guys who feel how you do, but really Trump bears a lot of responsibility this time. I was more mad about it last year.

But a President basically issuing a semi-ultimatum on the anthem thing struck a more anti-authoritarian streak in me. I believe we should all respect the anthem and the flag as a measure of our own national blessing. But I'll be damned if any American should do so based on the blowhard demands of another.

I think staying off the field entirely would've been the best option, but it's tough to expect everyone to handle a mess like this perfectly.

Bronx33
09-27-2017, 04:54 PM
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# No facts included Hilarious!

still swinging by a pubic hair with memes I see.

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 04:55 PM
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Why should there have been a conviction for mike brown?

Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 04:56 PM
As a military veteran I will say this. I have been a Bronco fan for forty years (since 77) and not one time was I ever under any illusion that the players I watched and rooted for agreed with me political or in any other way. They played for the Broncos and I rooted for them to win. These players today kneeling are just doing what they think is right within the confines of what they have been allowed to do by their leaders (NFL mgt). What they are doing has nothing to do with free speech but everything to do with workplace policy just like all the rest of us have to operate within. They are for the most part young men and in my opinion being manipulated to advance an agenda they don't even realize they are advancing. Where I draw the line is the owners and NFL commissioner not only allowing this to happen by an employee representing their organization but supporting it being done. After forty years of being a bronco fan and being proud to be associated with not only the Broncos but the NFL it has come to an end. When the owners reacted the way they did it ended it for me. I have gotten rid of all my NFL and Broncos items dating back to the late 70's. I called the Broncos twice since the beginning of last season and told them please do not make me choose between my beloved broncos and my country. They forced my hand and I chose my country. I consider anyone at this time who supports the NFL to be at best ignorant or just not caring about our country. The USA are a diverse country with people from many different nationalities, religions, races, cultures, political views, etc. But there are three times we all come together 1. when we've been attacked from the outside. 2. when our fellow citizens find themselves in trouble from natural disaster and most importantly 3. during that sacred time when we honor our flag during the national anthem to celebrate all that is good in our country. The NFL has allowed that sacred time to be violated and for that I can never forgive them. For me its not the players its the organization. So it has been a very difficult few days since last Sunday but I came to this decision and feel good that I have chosen my country first. May God bless all those players in the NFL that have been put in a very difficult situations because of the incompetence and concern for political correctness above truth by the team owners and Roger Goodell to put this issue to bed a year ago when they had the opportunity to do so. They played with fire and now it will be enjoyable watching them get burned but painful to see the sport I loved crash and burn.

What you refer to as "your country" only exists in your mind. You are a victim of propaganda.

spdirty
09-27-2017, 04:57 PM
NFL better figure it out quick because they are losing viewership by the day. Kneeling is 'politically correct" but polls show majority believe you need to stand for the national anthem. Very difficult subject.

It's simple. When the anthem plays you stand up, take your ****ing hat off, put your right hand over your heart, left hand behind your back, you don't sway around, you don't guzzle beer, you don't look down, you don't bull**** with your buddies or girlfriend, you at least know the words, you sure as **** don't stay seated or take a knee, and for 2 1/2 minutes you show respect for the anthem and the flag. Until the pieces of **** that play football figure that out, they're gonna lose a ton of revenue. That anthem and that flag mean a lot to a lot of people that sacrificed for this country. And when you **** all over that you **** on them.

Is it still difficult?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 04:58 PM
# No facts included Hilarious!

still swinging by a pubic hair with memes I see.

^

Still hasn't completed the eighth grade, I see.

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 04:59 PM
memebot5000 is screaming for attention.

I feel bad for giving any to it.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:00 PM
It's simple. When the anthem plays you stand up, take your ****ing hat off, put your right hand over your heart, left hand behind your back, you don't sway around, you don't guzzle beer, you don't look down, you don't bull**** with your buddies or girlfriend, you at least know the words, you sure as **** don't stay seated or take a knee, and for 2 1/2 minutes you show respect for the anthem and the flag. Until the pieces of **** that play football figure that out, they're gonna lose a ton of revenue. That anthem and that flag mean a lot to a lot of people that sacrificed for this country. And when you **** all over that you **** on them.

Is it still difficult?

I would like to refer everyone to this post as a textbook example of an intolerant mind.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:03 PM
Why should there have been a conviction for mike brown?

Hilarious!

Don't worry - the sham grand jury run by a prosecutor who acted as defense attorney for the killer cop arranged it so you'll never have to know why."

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:05 PM
memebot5000 is screaming for attention.

I feel bad for giving any to it.

I think you're confusing me with your leader Dotard Don, Spicoli.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:07 PM
What you refer to as "your country" only exists in your mind. You are a victim of propaganda.

If he honestly believes that allowing football players to exercise their Constitutional rights is a betrayal of country, then he's one mixed up individual.

:crazy:

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 05:11 PM
Don't worry - the sham grand jury run by a prosecutor who acted as defense attorney for the killer cop arranged it so you'll never have to know why."

http://theconspiracyblog.com/images/article_images/current_politics/hillary_clinton/hillary-clinton-promises-to-shut-down-conspiracy-theory-websites.jpg

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:20 PM
If he honestly believes that allowing football players to exercise their Constitutional rights is a betrayal of country, then he's one mixed up individual.

:crazy:

Yeah, and this country is totally infected with that mentality.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:21 PM
Ferguson prosecutor says witnesses in Darren Wilson case lied under oath

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/19/ferguson-prosecutor-witnesses-darren-wilson-michael-brown


Ferguson witnesses admit they lied to the grand jury

http://wwlp.com/2014/12/16/ferguson-witnesses-admit-they-lied-to-the-grand-jury/

Some Ferguson Witnesses Weren't Credible

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-credibility/index.html

St. Louis prosecutor admits witnesses likely lied under oath

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/prosecutor-admits-witnesses-likely-lied-under-oath-michael-brown-case

manchambo
09-27-2017, 05:21 PM
It's simple. When the anthem plays you stand up, take your ****ing hat off, put your right hand over your heart, left hand behind your back, you don't sway around, you don't guzzle beer, you don't look down, you don't bull**** with your buddies or girlfriend, you at least know the words, you sure as **** don't stay seated or take a knee, and for 2 1/2 minutes you show respect for the anthem and the flag. Until the pieces of **** that play football figure that out, they're gonna lose a ton of revenue. That anthem and that flag mean a lot to a lot of people that sacrificed for this country. And when you **** all over that you **** on them.

Is it still difficult?

Put slightly differently, you have the right to determine what standing or not standing means, and no one else does.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:26 PM
Investigation: Witness 40": Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson

12/16 UPDATE: Following the publication of this story, Sandra McElroy acknowledged to TSG that she is “Witness 40.” Voicing concerns for her minor children, McElroy said that she directed them to delete their Facebook accounts, adding that she has done the same. “After I speak with the prosecutor, attorney, and police if they say its alright I will call you,” she said. McElroy subsequently asked to have an off-the-record conversation, a request to which a TSG reporter agreed.

DECEMBER 15--The grand jury witness who testified that she saw Michael Brown pummel a cop before charging at him “like a football player, head down,” is a troubled, bipolar Missouri woman with a criminal past who has a history of making racist remarks and once insinuated herself into another high-profile St. Louis criminal case with claims that police eventually dismissed as a “complete fabrication,”...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236.

spdirty
09-27-2017, 05:26 PM
Put slightly differently, you have the right to determine what standing or not standing means, and no one else does.

Stand means stand. It's not open to interpretation.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/stand?s=t

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:28 PM
Stand means stand. It's not open to interpretation.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/stand?s=t

So it's merely a physical act with no greater meaning? Why so offended then?

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 05:28 PM
:sunshine:

gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 05:28 PM
If he honestly believes that allowing football players to exercise their Constitutional rights is a betrayal of country, then he's one mixed up individual.

:crazy:

This is the first amendment to the US constitution:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So from your statement logic would tell us you believe the NFL and congress are interchangeable? So no employer can prohibit free speech of their employees while said employee represent the employer. You are very confused but from the other post you placed that is not hard to figure out.

gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 05:30 PM
I know a lot of guys who feel how you do, but really Trump bears a lot of responsibility this time. I was more mad about it last year.

But a President basically issuing a semi-ultimatum on the anthem thing struck a more anti-authoritarian streak in me. I believe we should all respect the anthem and the flag as a measure of our own national blessing. But I'll be damned if any American should do so based on the blowhard demands of another.

I think staying off the field entirely would've been the best option, but it's tough to expect everyone to handle a mess like this perfectly.

Its always someone elses fault.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:30 PM
This is the first amendment to the US constitution:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So from your statement logic would tell us you believe the NFL and congress are interchangeable? So no employer can prohibit free speech of their employees while said employee represent the employer. You are very confused but from the other post you placed that is not hard to figure out.

The NFL has no rule requiring players to stand for the national anthem, so I'm wondering what your point is.

manchambo
09-27-2017, 05:30 PM
Stand means stand. It's not open to interpretation.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/stand?s=t

Excellent point--show me the definition of standing that establishes not standing as an insult to service members.

manchambo
09-27-2017, 05:33 PM
This is the first amendment to the US constitution:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So from your statement logic would tell us you believe the NFL and congress are interchangeable? So no employer can prohibit free speech of their employees while said employee represent the employer. You are very confused but from the other post you placed that is not hard to figure out.

The first amendment is a law. It is also a principle. One of the founding principles of our country. In fact, it's such an important principle that that the framers listed it as the first principle in the bill of rights.

Allowing players to stand or kneel during the anthem fulfills the principle, even if firing them would not violate the law.

gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 05:36 PM
What you refer to as "your country" only exists in your mind. You are a victim of propaganda.

Even a broke clock is right twice a day because you are exactly right. The country I love and fought for has been destroyed by selfish ignorant people who do not put their country first but only themselves. That country only exist in the minds of a few of us and we are not ashamed to admit it. Its just hard to let go. You know things are wrong when the NFL prohibits the Dallas Cowboys who wants to honor their local police for sacrificing their lives for others and that is not allowed but protesting the anthem is a okay.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:40 PM
The NFL has no rule requiring players to stand for the national anthem, so I'm wondering what your point is.

His "point" is that he can't seem to grasp the fact that the military men and women whom he claims are being disrespected by these protests took an oath to defend the right to either stand or NOT stand for an anthem.

Just another authoritarian follower who doesn't notice the contradiction inherent in his insistence on compulsory respect for symbols of freedom.

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 05:41 PM
Ferguson witnesses admit they lied to the grand jury

http://wwlp.com/2014/12/16/ferguson-witnesses-admit-they-lied-to-the-grand-jury/

Some Ferguson Witnesses Weren't Credible

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-credibility/index.html

St. Louis prosecutor admits witnesses likely lied under oath

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/prosecutor-admits-witnesses-likely-lied-under-oath-michael-brown-case

You dont even read what you post. Hilarious!

Testimony from witness 35 might have helped lead to an indictment of Officer Wilson, testifying that Michael Brown was, quote, “on his knees,” when shot in the head, by Wilson. However, it wasn’t true. The witness admits to making that story up. In one exchange, the prosecutor asked: “Are you telling us the only thing that’s true about all of your statements before this, is that you saw that police officer shoot him at-point blank range?” The answer: “Yes.”

It happened on both sides. Witness 40 supported Wilson’s version of what happened, but prosecutors revealed she posted a racist comment on-line on the day of the shooting, that read, quote: “They need to kill the ‘expletive,’ ‘expletive.’ It’s like an ape fest.” When questioned about what she allegedly saw, she admitted to having gathered some details from news reports.

gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 05:41 PM
The NFL has no rule requiring players to stand for the national anthem, so I'm wondering what your point is.

You said if the NFL made that rule then it would be a violation of the free speech rights.

gobroncos313
09-27-2017, 05:42 PM
The conversation going on here is a perfect example of why we are doomed.

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:44 PM
Even a broke clock is right twice a day because you are exactly right. The country I love and fought for has been destroyed by selfish ignorant people who do not put their country first but only themselves. That country only exist in the minds of a few of us and we are not ashamed to admit it. Its just hard to let go. You know things are wrong when the NFL prohibits the Dallas Cowboys who wants to honor their local police for sacrificing their lives for others and that is not allowed but protesting the anthem is a okay.

It never existed. The propaganda has its hooks in you deep...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:45 PM
You dont even read what you post. Hilarious!

^

Too dumb to realize the snippet he posted supports my argument. :giggle:

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 05:45 PM
You said if the NFL made that rule then it would be a violation of the free speech rights.

When did I say that again? hmmm...

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 05:47 PM
^

To dumb to realize the snippet he posted supports my argument. :giggle:

Hands up. Dont Shoot.

Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 05:52 PM
Hands up. Dont Shoot.

Hilarious!

The "prosecutor's" star witness...bet Spicoli doesn't know anything about her.

A Racist with a History of Lying Was a Witness in the Darren Wilson Grand Jury

A new report suggests that 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, a serial liar with a history of head trauma, may have helped get Officer Darren Wilson off scot-free after killing Michael Brown.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwpjz3/this-racist-liar-was-a-key-witness-in-the-darren-wilson-case-1216

ShaneFalco
09-27-2017, 05:55 PM
The "prosecutor's" star witness...bet Spicoli doesn't know anything about her.

A Racist with a History of Lying Was a Witness in the Darren Wilson Grand Jury

A new report suggests that 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, a serial liar with a history of head trauma, may have helped get Officer Darren Wilson off scot-free after killing Michael Brown.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kwpjz3/this-racist-liar-was-a-key-witness-in-the-darren-wilson-case-1216
Witness #40. "only witness".

Hilarious!

manchambo
09-27-2017, 06:04 PM
Even a broke clock is right twice a day because you are exactly right. The country I love and fought for has been destroyed by selfish ignorant people who do not put their country first but only themselves. That country only exist in the minds of a few of us and we are not ashamed to admit it. Its just hard to let go. You know things are wrong when the NFL prohibits the Dallas Cowboys who wants to honor their local police for sacrificing their lives for others and that is not allowed but protesting the anthem is a okay.

Which war did you fight in?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-27-2017, 06:06 PM
Witness #40. The prosecutor's star witness

Hilarious!


McElroy's ignorant, racially biased, difficult-to-understand, unnecessary, grammatically challenged, not-actually-sarcastic eyeroll of a comment is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how this N-word-using, bipolar woman with a penchant for thrusting herself into newsworthy events influenced the grand-jury investigation into Brown's death.


That's because McElroy is also Witness 40, one of the alleged eyewitnesses whose testimony to the grand jury strongly supported Wilson's version of events. Witness identities are secret, but McElroy admitted she's Witness 40 to The Smoking Gun after the site published an article outing her.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office did not immediately respond to Daily RFT's inquiries about McElroy. When asked whether the FBI is looking into McElroy's claims, a spokeswoman said the bureau cannot confirm or deny investigations.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2014/12/17/the-upsetting-truth-about-sandra-mcelroy-witness-40-in-the-ferguson-grand-jury

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 06:13 PM
I would argue contrary to necessary liberal delusions the general public doesn't agree with their political platform.

If you step outside your echo chamber for longer than five minutes, you'll find this isn't a battle your side can win.

Why?

The NFL's base is more conservative than the moonbats here would like to admit.

Meanwhile, the hate-America-first crowd isn't sitting down in the safe spaces to watch the NFL every Sunday. Most of the liberals I know don't know jack squat about professional football.
Most people on this board don't know jack about it either...so what?

This isn't about football.

rmsanger
09-27-2017, 09:41 PM
Chew on this while on your knees.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170927-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170926-story.html

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2017, 09:46 PM
Chew on this while on your knees.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170927-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170926-story.html
What do you suggest they ask the government to do about it?

Agamemnon
09-27-2017, 09:48 PM
Chew on this while on your knees.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170927-story.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-20170926-story.html

Relevance?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 01:01 AM
From a fellow veteran:

For all you wannabe patriots out there that plan on Boycotting. Please consider donating your unused season tickets or purchased tickets to Veteran Tickets Foundation - Vet Tix. Allow a Veteran who actually fought for and understand the 1st Amendment the opportunity to attend a game they otherwise would not be able to attend. Thanks, HOOAH!

nyuk nyuk
09-28-2017, 04:43 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/27/john-elway-hopeful-to-take-politics-out-of-football-moving-foward/

interesting from Mr. Inauguration Trumpy FanBoy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President of Football Ops/GM John Elway to <a href="https://twitter.com/BroncosTV">@BroncosTV</a> on players’ National Anthem statements: <a href="https://t.co/Q6F9rszh4x">pic.twitter.com/Q6F9rszh4x</a></p>&mdash; Denver Broncos (@Broncos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/912820547553304576">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You know he donated to Jeb, right?

Quite a "Trumpy fanboy" you have here.

nyuk nyuk
09-28-2017, 04:44 AM
In March, Elway wrote a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsing the candidacy of Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court. He did so on his personal letterhead (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/20/john-elway-endorses-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch/), which includes Broncos logos.

Apparently it was OK for Elway to support a political appointee with the weight of the Broncos behind him in March, but now that it’s a protest by the players he wants to “take the politics out of football.”

Right, he did it on his own time not in uniform at a game on the field.

ANYBODY else would get fired from their job from using their employment and time on the clock as a political podium.

Football players are not special.

nyuk nyuk
09-28-2017, 04:46 AM
You dont even read what you post. Hilarious!

I would suggest you read the FBI report on the Michael Brown shooting to clear up any confusion.

manchambo
09-28-2017, 08:17 AM
Right, he did it on his own time not in uniform at a game on the field.

ANYBODY else would get fired from their job from using their employment and time on the clock as a political podium.

Football players are not special.

It actually is a very special, if not unique, situation: in your view the players are REQUIRED to make a political statement every week by professing their Love and fidelity to the United States. And that required political statement has nothing to do with their actual jobs.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 08:27 AM
I would suggest you read the FBI report on the Michael Brown shooting to clear up any confusion.

I'd suggest you read up on all the reasons why the "prosecutor" should have recused himself and why the subsequent grand jury was a sham.

manchambo
09-28-2017, 08:31 AM
I'd suggest you read up on all the reasons why the "prosecutor" should have recused himself and why the subsequent grand jury was a sham.

You've fallen into kind of a dumb trap. You provided more than a dozen examples and they want to argue the merits of the one they believe they're right about.

BroncoBeavis
09-28-2017, 08:36 AM
It actually is a very special, if not unique, situation: in your view the players are REQUIRED to make a political statement every week by professing their Love and fidelity to the United States. And that required political statement has nothing to do with their actual jobs.

They've never been required to attend. In fact it would be much better if they didn't.

Like going to your third cousin's bar mitzvah just to tell everyone you don't believe in any of that ****. LOL

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 08:46 AM
You've fallen into kind of a dumb trap. You provided more than a dozen examples and they want to argue the merits of the one they believe they're right about.

Conservative debate strategy 101.

DrOrangeLove
09-28-2017, 09:47 AM
Move to Iran. They love theocrats like you.

why do leftists always assume conservatives are christian?

Judging by the anti-semitic david duke holocaust conventions they host in Tehran every year, I highly doubt they'd love a zionist like me.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 09:52 AM
why do leftists always assume conservatives are christian?


Um, probably because the vast majority of conservatives are Christians?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 09:54 AM
https://scontent.fbkk12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21768450_790906387761683_5656855303006043254_n.jpg ?oh=c6b158a7618cc48f173f264d3cb0fcc8&oe=5A51D913

Garcia Bronco
09-28-2017, 01:25 PM
https://scontent.fbkk12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21768450_790906387761683_5656855303006043254_n.jpg ?oh=c6b158a7618cc48f173f264d3cb0fcc8&oe=5A51D913

You mean Kim Davis, the Democrat county clerk, that was fired and incarcerated for breaking the law?

BroncoBeavis
09-28-2017, 01:27 PM
You mean Kim Davis, the Democrat county clerk, that was fired and incarcerated for breaking the law?

Labron hates following his own logic to its usually natural conclusion.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-28-2017, 03:36 PM
Labron hates following his own logic to its usually natural conclusion.

Cletus the one-man fallacy generating machine talking to us about logic?

What a hoot! :giggle:

DrOrangeLove
09-28-2017, 04:29 PM
Cletus the one-man fallacy generating machine talking to us about logic?

What a hoot! :giggle:

oh look kids it's another ad hominem.

Kind of ironic considering moral superiority is the cornerstone of liberal ethos.

Bronx33
09-28-2017, 04:35 PM
oh look kids it's another ad hominem.

Kind of ironic considering moral superiority is the cornerstone of liberal ethos.

Its his bread and butter that's what makes his miserable existence tolerable ( in his own head ) here on this board.

swaiy
09-28-2017, 05:22 PM
Anyone know the posture of the soldier at a funeral handing over the flag (after being folded 13 times) to the family of the fallen?

Garcia Bronco
09-28-2017, 05:40 PM
Anyone know the posture of the soldier at a funeral handing over the flag (after being folded 13 times) to the family of the fallen?

They lean to the person receiving the flag and present the flag's hypotenuse toward the person receiving the flag. The red and white stripes should not be visible and only the blue star field shown.

swaiy
09-28-2017, 06:13 PM
They lean to the person receiving the flag and present the flag's hypotenuse toward the person receiving the flag. The red and white stripes should not be visible and only the blue star field shown.

Yeah and they also kneel.

footstepsfrom#27
09-28-2017, 06:21 PM
Yeah and they also kneel.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Everett_Pope_funeral.jpg/225px-Everett_Pope_funeral.jpg

El Minion
09-28-2017, 06:24 PM
You mean Kim Davis, the Democrat county clerk, that was fired and incarcerated for breaking the law?

Kentucky clerk in gay marriage dispute switches to Republican Party (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-gaymarriage-kentucky/kentucky-clerk-in-gay-marriage-dispute-switches-to-republican-party-idUSKCN0RP20M20150925)

“My husband and I had talked about it for quite a while and we came to the conclusion that the Democratic Party left us a long time ago, so why were we hanging on?”

LoserSlick
09-28-2017, 11:20 PM
If the right side of history requires tolerating rampant degeneracy I'll happily stay on the "wrong" side.

And people with a moral compass don't actually concern themselves with which way the wind is blowing.

I don't think anyone can deny that with the demographic changes we have seen in this country coupled with the incessant cultural marxist agitprop spewed by the mainstream media certain segments of our society are getting more liberal. Unfortunately for the liberal elite they're going to find it will be increasingly difficult to keep their petting zoo of useful idiots on a tight leash. If/when the entitlement class usurps the nascent civic nationalist movement, it will be fun watching your dissimilar identitarian factions cannibalize each other.

i literally just listened to two ivy league professors argue over how this inevitability will actually play out

ShaneFalco
09-28-2017, 11:29 PM
I would suggest you read the FBI report on the Michael Brown shooting to clear up any confusion.

This one?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/politics/ferguson-report-hands-up-michael-brown-darren-wilson/index.html

Obamas DOJ
"Hands up, don't shoot" is now about more than the shooting that killed Michael Brown, but it's also not an accurate representation of the incident that sparked nationwide protests, federal investigators concluded in a report released Wednesday.
The Justice Department's investigation into Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson's shooting of Brown concluded that witness accounts that the African-American teenager surrendered with his hands up "do not support the prosecution of Wilson." The Justice Department decided not to pursue federal charges against Wilson after its investigation, it officially announced Wednesday.
Instead, the physical evidence and accounts by "credible witnesses" suggest Wilson shot Brown multiple times only as "Brown was moving toward Wilson," according to the report.

Physical and forensic evidence in fact contradict claims by witnesses who have maintained that Brown had his hands up, above his waist when Wilson shot him, the Justice Department concluded.

The results of the federal probe support claims support the detailed accounting St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch presented in a press conference announcing a grand jury's decision to not indict Wilson.

"Although some witnesses state that Brown held his hands up at shoulder level with his palms facing outward for a brief moment, these same witnesses describe Brown then dropping his hands and 'charging' at Wilson," the report explains.
And the witnesses whose testimony did not contradict previous statements they made or the physical and forensic evidence never "perceived Brown to be attempting to surrender at any point when Wilson fired upon him."

"To the contrary, several of these witnesses stated that they would have felt threatened by Brown and would have responded in the same way Wilson did," the report continued.


Evidence supports officer’s account of shooting in Ferguson

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

ShaneFalco
09-28-2017, 11:33 PM
Wow that must be a tough blow to LA.

Obamas own DOJ supported the officers testimony.

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2017, 12:18 AM
Wow that must be a tough blow to LA.

Obamas own DOJ supported the officers testimony.
You believe DOJ officials "belong" to whomever is in the WH? In other words Obama personally had an expectation of owning the individual loyalty and he controlled or influenced the decisions issued by everyone from the. FBI director down to individual prosecutors. This is what you believe represents the relationship between the DOJ and the executive branch of government. Is this correct?

Is this what you think?

The problems with the entire process and the way it was grievously mishandled are well established so I'm not going to waste time repeating what you e already shown a willingness to ignore. No one making the case that the Brown investigation was a fair one, even if you could be proven correct. has a leg to stand on in dozens of other cases. It's like you can't grasp the fact that people actually do know really what's happening, so you think if you can find a crack here and there in these various tragic narative that you somehow discredit the entire body of evidence and convince someone who understands this that they really don't. All you're really doing is publically revealing your hidden agenda and the real motives behind your questioning the legitimacy of this movement.

Tell me about how the Nazi bastards in Charlottesville were "white conservatives" again please. I get a kick out of hearing that one. :thumbs:

ShaneFalco
09-29-2017, 12:21 AM
You believe DOJ officials "belong" to whomever is in the WH? In other words Obama personally had an expectation of owning the individual loyalty and he controlled or influenced the decisions issued by everyone from the. FBI director down to individual prosecutors. This is what you believe represents the relationship between the DOJ and the executive branch of government. Is this correct?

Is this what you think?

The problems with the entire process and the way it was grievously mishandled are well established so I'm not going to waste time repeating what you e already shown a willingness to ignore. No one making the case that the Brown investigation was a fair one, even if you could be proven correct. has a leg to stand on in dozens of other cases. It's like you can't grasp the fact that people actually do know really what's happening, so you think if you can find a crack here and there in these various tragic narative that you somehow discredit the entire body of evidence and convince someone who understands this that they really don't. All you're really doing is publically revealing your hidden agenda and the real motives behind your questioning the legitimacy of this movement.

Tell me about how the Nazi bastards in Charlottesville were "white conservatives" again please. I get a kick out of hearing that one. :thumbs:

Hilarious!

ShaneFalco
09-29-2017, 12:23 AM
Who needs evidence anyways?

What do people think this is?

The justice system?

:giggle:

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2017, 12:25 AM
Hilarious!
I'll take that as a yes to my question.

ShaneFalco
09-29-2017, 12:26 AM
You mean Kim Davis, the Democrat county clerk, that was fired and incarcerated for breaking the law?

ouch

ShaneFalco
09-29-2017, 12:27 AM
I'll take that as a yes to my question.



Unfortunately for you, we cant just string up a cop every time you feel like it.

There is a process, where evidence (which overwhelmingly supports Wilson) is brought to light to inform people before making a decision.

I get you enjoy reveling in ignorance, so even after the case was presented and decided, you still are trying to ignore the evidence to this day.

It appears that facts only matter to you when they fit your narrative.

Kind of like every other ignorant mother****er that wants to worship a hood hero who squabbled with police and got shot.

ShaneFalco
09-29-2017, 12:30 AM
https://scontent.fbkk12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21768450_790906387761683_5656855303006043254_n.jpg ?oh=c6b158a7618cc48f173f264d3cb0fcc8&oe=5A51D913

False news – Posting fake news is strictly prohibited. Few things will get you banned quicker than posting a fake story during a sensitive news period.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=105484

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2017, 01:17 AM
Unfortunately for you, we cant just string up a cop every time you feel like it.
You can't "string up a cop" AT ALL...as in virtually NEVER. In fact forget murder charges you can't even get a lesser charge approved.

Even when clear and convincing video evidence shows the truth, a jury will openly admit they had no intention of being impartial, and HE WILL WALK.

Even when the murderer tells you on video that he's about to go kill a black man and then premeditatively does so a moment later...HE WILL WALK.

Even when he has a documented history of police brutality and has been fired from other departments for it and has reports from superiors claiming he's unfit for the job before he murders a 12 year old child 2 seconds after arriving on the scene...HE WILL WALK.

Cops are virtually almost NEVER convicted no matter what the "evidence" shows. Usually they are never even charged.

For any crime...

...no matter how heinous or vicious...

...no matter what the "evidence" shows.

Now back to my point. I realize you admire the white supremacist monarchy model of government the dictator has installed, but if your understanding of the relationship between the president and the DOJ in any normal administration is accurate...the DOJ being a mere puppet of the POTUS, then tell me this;

Why did fellow scumbag, campaign ass kisser and racist **** stain Jeff Sessions recuse himself from the Great Leader's Russian investigation?

If "Obama'a DOJ" follows this accepted relationship of a puppet on a string model you enjoy der Fuhrer employing, why didn't it work out like this for the serial liar?

LoserSlick
09-29-2017, 02:07 AM
lol aspergers boi and happy meal

two totally different people...

EDIT:

p.s. u forgot to say "PERIOD" Hilarious!

fkn pathetic.

LoserSlick
09-29-2017, 02:12 AM
Unfortunately for you, we cant just string up a cop every time you feel like it.

There is a process, where evidence (which overwhelmingly supports Wilson) is brought to light to inform people before making a decision.

I get you enjoy reveling in ignorance, so even after the case was presented and decided, you still are trying to ignore the evidence to this day.

It appears that facts only matter to you when they fit your narrative.

Kind of like every other ignorant mother****er that wants to worship a hood hero who squabbled with police and got shot.

don't argue with this lower-than-shill life form...

lol stop validating his existence

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:12 AM
fake news is my bread and butter

https://s26.postimg.org/yuog5edop/IMG_0707.jpg

LoserSlick
09-29-2017, 02:13 AM
https://s26.postimg.org/yuog5edop/IMG_0707.jpg

meme smart... hashtag...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:16 AM
don't argue with this lower-than-shill life form...

lol stop validating his existence

Translation: "I have no counterargument - must fall back on ad hominem."

https://s26.postimg.org/yoaaixnm1/IMG_0711.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:17 AM
meme smart... hashtag...

Translation: "I can't deny the message - must fall back on stupid quip."

ZONA
09-29-2017, 02:21 AM
That's it right there. And many of those people like them are their family members, friends, and people who are close to them. Just because a person made it doesn't mean that they aren't affected by racial issues.

Also, a lot of these athletes aren't all that recognizable. I'm sure that the police officer who put a gun to the back of Michael Bennett's head didn't know that he was a wealthy athlete.

Great point. Some of the resident no thinkers around here just can't figure that out. It's beyond their understanding of things.

LoserSlick
09-29-2017, 02:22 AM
Translation: "I have no counterargument - must fall back on ad hominem."

https://s26.postimg.org/yoaaixnm1/IMG_0711.jpg

Hilarious! AD HOMINEM!! i'm calling AD HOMINEM on you!!

I HAVE WIKIPEDIA!! I'M ALL ABOUT REASON AND ANCIENT GREEK PHILOSOPHERS... lol u can tell by my post just now

silly rabbit...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:28 AM
Hilarious! AD HOMINEM!! i'm calling AD HOMINEM on you!!

I HAVE WIKIPEDIA!! I'M ALL ABOUT REASON AND ANCIENT GREEK PHILOSOPHERS... lol u can tell by my post just now

silly rabbit...

^

That's the "all caps" key - not the "shift" key, dummy. :wave:

Keep trying - you'll catch on one of these days.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:29 AM
Great point. Some of the resident no thinkers around here just can't figure that out. It's beyond their understanding of things.

Even a black man who becomes POTUS isn't beyond the reach of racism in America.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 02:43 AM
The Donald tRump we all know...


Trump has been feuding with the NFL since the 1980s

Trump's long-standing beef with the NFL dates back to the 1980s, when he was the majority owner of the New Jersey Generals in the United States Football League.

Trump acquired the New Jersey Generals after their 1983 inaugural season, and he soon went head to head with the NFL, poaching multiple top-ranked players from the dominant league. In 1985, less than two years after he became a team owner, he and a handful of other owners voted to switch from a spring to fall schedule.

The move was in an attempt to eventually force a merger with the NFL, according to The Associated Press.

Trump, described in the sports documentary "Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?" as an "impatient real estate baron," had a vision that was "at odds with the league's founders."

He is often credited with killing the now-defunct professional league and played an integral role when the USFL filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL in New York, accusing the NFL of being a monopoly.

While jurors unanimously upheld that contention, they only awarded the USFL $1 in damages, a far cry from the $1.3 billion the league was requesting.

The "ironic verdict effectively forced the league out of business," according to the documentary.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-feuding-nfl-1980s/story?id=50076264

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2017, 05:17 AM
The Donald tRump we all know...


Trump has been feuding with the NFL since the 1980s

Trump's long-standing beef with the NFL dates back to the 1980s, when he was the majority owner of the New Jersey Generals in the United States Football League.

Trump acquired the New Jersey Generals after their 1983 inaugural season, and he soon went head to head with the NFL, poaching multiple top-ranked players from the dominant league. In 1985, less than two years after he became a team owner, he and a handful of other owners voted to switch from a spring to fall schedule.

The move was in an attempt to eventually force a merger with the NFL, according to The Associated Press.

Trump, described in the sports documentary "Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?" as an "impatient real estate baron," had a vision that was "at odds with the league's founders."

He is often credited with killing the now-defunct professional league and played an integral role when the USFL filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL in New York, accusing the NFL of being a monopoly.

While jurors unanimously upheld that contention, they only awarded the USFL $1 in damages, a far cry from the $1.3 billion the league was requesting.

The "ironic verdict effectively forced the league out of business," according to the documentary.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-feuding-nfl-1980s/story?id=50076264
I remember this. Denver has a team called the Denver Gold in that league. Even the other scumbag billionaires wanted no part of his dumb ass.

BroncoSojia
09-29-2017, 08:03 AM
I'd like to hear from the "others". Ones who really know what it's like. Lmao at Hollywood and sports athletes screaming for equal rights.


These are people who use their stardom to seperate themselves in everyday public life. Go ask to take a picture with a cop on the street and see what happens, then go ask a Hollywood elite or athlete on the street to take a picture with them.

VIP in your everyday life. That's being equal! Ha! No one wants to hear from 23 year old millionaires what life it really like.


As part of the "other" we speak out all the time about the injustices and inequities that has historically plagued our race. People of your ilk don't want to listen.

You call us whiners, complainers, and race baiters when we speak on these issues. But when black athletes and entertainers, people with a platform and influence, speak out against it, they get called entitled and spoiled.

It's a ****ing shell game. You assholes just don't want or care to discuss a problem affecting millions of AMERICANS. (yes we are in case you forgot)

Save the other BS and just admit it.

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 08:23 AM
You call us whiners, complainers, and race baiters when we speak on these issues. But when black athletes and entertainers, people with a platform and influence, speak out against it, they get called entitled and spoiled.

I didn't really hear any speaking during the anthem thing. Just displays of disunity.

Not really how you get people to listen.

BroncoSojia
09-29-2017, 08:37 AM
I didn't really hear any speaking during the anthem thing. Just displays of disunity.

Not really how you get people to listen.

Colin Kaepernick, Brandon Marshall, Malcolm Jenkins, and the Bennett brothers have all talked about the reasons behind their protest numerous times.

People didn't hear because they don't want to.

BTW, the you really think players like kneeling for the anthem? Do you really think they like losing endorsements and getting immense hate and backlash from fans and even the President? They do it because they can't in good conscience stand for the anthem of a country that's treated people that look like them horribly in the past and present.

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 08:46 AM
Colin Kaepernick, Brandon Marshall, Malcolm Jenkins, and the Bennett brothers have all talked about the reasons behind their protest numerous times.

People didn't hear because they don't want to.

BTW, the you really think players like kneeling for the anthem? Do you really think they like losing endorSeimiants and getting immense hate and backlash from fans and even the President? They do it because they can't in good conscience stand for the anthem of a country that's treated people that look like them horribly in the past and present.

Like I said, a simple sticker could have driven the same conversation, and made the league look foolish for how it actually does squash player expression (ask Jake Plummer)

But they went with the "America Sucks. Now here's how you can not suck, Sincerely, know-nothing 20-something year-old millionaires." message.

And now it's basically just a troll battle with Trump and much ado about nothing.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:02 AM
It actually is a very special, if not unique, situation: in your view the players are REQUIRED to make a political statement every week by professing their Love and fidelity to the United States. And that required political statement has nothing to do with their actual jobs.

It's part of the decorum of the job. If they can't handle it, they should go polish bowling balls.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:02 AM
Even a black man who becomes POTUS isn't beyond the reach of racism in America.

Racism like quotas and set-asides for black, special loans, special criteria for university admissions?

True, that racism does impact everyone.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:03 AM
Translation: "I have no counterargument - must fall back on ad hominem."

https://s26.postimg.org/yoaaixnm1/IMG_0711.jpg

Using one's job as a political podium is not covered by the 1st Amendment.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:04 AM
Unfortunately for you, we cant just string up a cop every time you feel like it.

There is a process, where evidence (which overwhelmingly supports Wilson) is brought to light to inform people before making a decision.

I get you enjoy reveling in ignorance, so even after the case was presented and decided, you still are trying to ignore the evidence to this day.

It appears that facts only matter to you when they fit your narrative.

Kind of like every other ignorant mother****er that wants to worship a hood hero who squabbled with police and got shot.

You damnable regressive FOOL. That standard only applies to black people accused of a crime!

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:05 AM
I'd suggest you read up on all the reasons why the "prosecutor" should have recused himself and why the subsequent grand jury was a sham.

What does this conspiracy theory have to do with the investigative findings by the FBI which are in a report you refuse to read?

TonyR
09-29-2017, 09:06 AM
But they went with the "America Sucks. Now here's how you can not suck, Sincerely, know-nothing 20-something year-old millionaires." message.


Who did that, other than maybe Kaepernick with some dumb wardrobe choices? Kneeling during the national anthem doesn't say "America Sucks". It's just that some stupid people take it that way because that's the narrative that's been put out there.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:06 AM
Um, probably because the vast majority of conservatives are Christians?

That can't be so because every other liberal I've met tells me that Jesus was a liberal like them.

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 09:08 AM
Who did that, other than maybe Kaepernick with some dumb wardrobe choices? Kneeling during the national anthem doesn't say "America Sucks". It's just that some stupid people take it that way because that's the narrative that's been put out there.

Did you see any of them back away from Kraep after the murderous anti-American dictator T or piggy socks?

Hell, Brandon's still crossies that he finds work.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:09 AM
Wow that must be a tough blow to LA.

Obamas own DOJ supported the officers testimony.


He's trying to avoid addressing it by attacking the judge, as if the judge is not independent of the investigative process and somehow magically if the judge recused himself as desired, the conclusions the FBI drew to the evidence would have been magically different.

nyuk nyuk
09-29-2017, 09:10 AM
Who did that, other than maybe Kaepernick with some dumb wardrobe choices? Kneeling during the national anthem doesn't say "America Sucks". It's just that some stupid people take it that way because that's the narrative that's been put out there.

You stand in respect to the national anthem. What is the opposite of that?

TonyR
09-29-2017, 09:19 AM
You stand in respect to the national anthem. What is the opposite of that?

Do some reading and some thinking. Break the bonds of ignorance.

Kneeling for Life and Liberty Is Patriotic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/kneeling-for-life-and-liberty-is-patriotic/540942/)

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 09:24 AM
Do some reading and some thinking. Break the bonds of ignorance.

Kneeling for Life and Liberty Is Patriotic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/kneeling-for-life-and-liberty-is-patriotic/540942/)

First he sat. Then he knelt. Then he talked about the whole thing at a press conference wearing a T-shirt promoting the man who once said...

I propose the immediate launching of a nuclear strike on the United States. The Cuban people are prepared to sacrifice themselves for the cause of the destruction of imperialism and the victory of world revolution.

And a hat promoting the man who said...

No, I’m not an American. I’m one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I’m not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver—no, not I. I’m speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don’t see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

But now that he's looking for a paycheck, suddenly all that meant nothing and he meant to be super-duper respectful. LOL

TonyR
09-29-2017, 09:35 AM
First he sat. Then he knelt. Then he talked about the whole thing at a press conference wearing a T-shirt promoting the man who once said...

Old news, Beav. How long ago was that? Let's focus on what's going on now instead of dwelling on what one guy did many months ago. Why are you so hung up on it? Why are you so fearful of it?

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 09:52 AM
Old news, Beav. How long ago was that? Let's focus on what's going on now instead of dwelling on what one guy did many months ago. Why are you so hung up on it? Why are you so fearful of it?

It's not old news so long as the whole "Poor Kaep's being discriminated against!" flame burns on.

Something the media still likes to poke and prod at the NFL with and you still can't bring yourself to laugh off.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2017, 09:54 AM
Yeah and they also kneel.

They are techincally not supposed to, but they are also presenting a flag to the loved ones of a fallen soldier. Is that what the football players are doing?

orangeatheist
09-29-2017, 10:10 AM
That can't be so because every other liberal I've met tells me that Jesus was a liberal like them.

Jesus wasn't a Christian you idiot.

TonyR
09-29-2017, 10:15 AM
It's not old news so long as the whole "Poor Kaep's being discriminated against!" flame burns on.

Well, in a way he is. He's better than at least a handful of most starters in the league, and most backups, and yet he doesn't have a job. I don't necessarily blame owners for being wary of signing him, and I'm not outraged about it. But this is some form of "discrimination" whether you want to admit it or not.

TonyR
09-29-2017, 10:19 AM
They are techincally not supposed to, but they are also presenting a flag to the loved ones of a fallen soldier. Is that what the football players are doing?

Symbolically kneeling is a gesture of reverence, submission, and/or adoration. So, not really a provocative act like many are making it out to be.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2017, 10:21 AM
Symbolically kneeling is a gesture of reverence, submission, and/or adoration. So, not really a provocative act like many are making it out to be.

So would you say that the football players are showing adoration, submission, and reverence for the flag? Or are they doing something else?

Arkie
09-29-2017, 10:30 AM
Like I said, a simple sticker could have driven the same conversation, and made the league look foolish for how it actually does squash player expression (ask Jake Plummer)

But they went with the "America Sucks. Now here's how you can not suck, Sincerely, know-nothing 20-something year-old millionaires." message.

And now it's basically just a troll battle with Trump and much ado about nothing.

Not really. Marshall has already forced change with the Denver police. A bumper sticker couldn't do that. There wouldn't be endless news stories and countless threads started over a simple bumper sticker. Stickers have always been around and haven't really driven conversation.

https://rlv.zcache.com/stop_police_brutality_bumper_sticker-r370c7cec7c2f447d82d789de762cb0e1_v9wht_8byvr_324. jpg

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2017, 10:33 AM
Not really. Marshall has already forced change with the Denver police. A bumper sticker couldn't do that. There wouldn't be endless news stories and countless threads started over a simple bumper sticker. Stickers have always been around and haven't really driven conversation.

https://rlv.zcache.com/stop_police_brutality_bumper_sticker-r370c7cec7c2f447d82d789de762cb0e1_v9wht_8byvr_324. jpg

Marshall didn't and cannot force anything. Marshall is smarter than that. He partnered with the Denver Police to address use of force policy.

BroncoBeavis
09-29-2017, 10:37 AM
Not really. Marshall has already forced change with the Denver police. A bumper sticker couldn't do that. There wouldn't be endless news stories and countless threads started over a simple bumper sticker. Stickers have always been around and haven't really driven conversation.

I never said a bumper sticker. I said a helmet sticker. Which the league would then fine... drawing a whole media conversation about what the sticker represented.

As opposed to the whole "Fidel Says America Sucks" fiasco he stumbled into behind Kraep.

Look back to the whole Plummer/Tillman episode for the template. Except this would've gotten much bigger because it's an issue of national focus.

TonyR
09-29-2017, 10:38 AM
So would you say that the football players are showing adoration, submission, and reverence for the flag? Or are they doing something else?

No, I wouldn't say that. My point is that what they're doing isn't outwardly "disrespectful". At least to the extent the narrative many are clinging to suggests.

Arkie
09-29-2017, 10:45 AM
I never said a bumper sticker. I said a helmet sticker. Which the league would then fine... drawing a whole media conversation about what the sticker represented.

As opposed to the whole "Fidel Says America Sucks" fiasco he stumbled into behind Kraep.

Look back to the whole Plummer/Tillman episode for the template. Except this would've gotten much bigger because it's an issue of national focus.

That would probably work too. I still remember Jim McMahon's headband messages from 30 years ago.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 10:58 AM
Symbolically kneeling is a gesture of reverence, submission, and/or adoration. So, not really a provocative act like many are making it out to be.

Exactly.

I could understand the fake patriots of the alt-right being up in arms if these players were making some sort of gesture that was actually disrespectful, but kneeling, for crying out loud?

I wish these clowns would just drop the BS pretext about "disrespecting our troops" when it's clear to everyone that what really disturbs them is the idea of calling attention to racial injustice.

Chicago_Bronco
09-29-2017, 11:04 AM
No, I wouldn't say that. My point is that what they're doing isn't outwardly "disrespectful". At least to the extent the narrative many are clinging to suggests.

Isn't what's disrespectful or not an "eye of the beholder" kind of a thing?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:07 AM
Isn't what's disrespectful or not an "eye of the beholder" kind of a thing?

In this case, it's a "either you understand and/or support the First Amendment, or you don't" kind of thing.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2017, 11:14 AM
No, I wouldn't say that. My point is that what they're doing isn't outwardly "disrespectful". At least to the extent the narrative many are clinging to suggests.

if people feel that its disrespectful, if they perceive it as disrespectful, then it does it really matter what one meant to convey? The message is lost IMO. So, for me it comes down to strategically managing the communication for success. that depends on one's definition of success but do we consider this impactful?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:15 AM
:rofl:

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(https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/09/28/rush-limbaugh-nfl-protests-are-leftist-plot-cause-great-damage-nfl-because-it-stands-masculinity/218082)
Rush Limbaugh: NFL protests are a leftist plot "to cause great damage to the NFL" because it stands for "masculinity" (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/09/28/rush-limbaugh-nfl-protests-are-leftist-plot-cause-great-damage-nfl-because-it-stands-masculinity/218082)

TonyR
09-29-2017, 11:18 AM
Isn't what's disrespectful or not an "eye of the beholder" kind of a thing?

Sure. People can get upset about whatever they choose. I just think actual injustices against people are more worthy of your attention than perceived injustices against a flag.

TonyR
09-29-2017, 11:20 AM
if people feel that its disrespectful, if they perceive it as disrespectful, then it does it really matter what one meant to convey? The message is lost IMO. So, for me it comes down to strategically managing the communication for success. that depends on one's definition of success but do we consider this impactful?

I'm sure people thought Rosa Parks was disrespectful when she refused to give up her seat to a white person, no? That's kind of the whole point of protest. Some people, many people, perhaps most people are going to be upset with you. You just need to choose which side of history you're going to be on.

Arkie
09-29-2017, 11:27 AM
Exactly.

I could understand the fake patriots of the alt-right being up in arms if these players were making some sort of gesture that was actually disrespectful, but kneeling, for crying out loud?

I wish these clowns would just drop the BS pretext about "disrespecting our troops" when it's clear to everyone that what really disturbs them is the idea of calling attention to racial injustice.

Speak for yourself. You don't know what's clear to everyone else. Not everybody associates the flag with police brutality. That doesn't mean that police brutality isn't a problem. I hate the current police state too.

Some people think the flag stands for everything good about America. Conservatives could just as easily protest the flag saying it represents abortions in America. Anybody can protest the flag over any random thing that's bad about America. But some people want a way to celebrate all that's good in this country. It bothers them that it's being taken away. I've met people especially in the older generations that are heartbroken over this issue. You'll just roll your eyes and say that they're racists.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:28 AM
I'm sure people thought Rosa Parks was disrespectful when she refused to give up her seat to a white person, no? That's kind of the whole point of protest. Some people, many people, perhaps most people are going to be upset with you. You just need to choose which side of history you're going to be on.

Exactly.

There has NEVER been ANY sort of protest for civil rights or against racial injustice that didn't "offend" regressives.

These people have always been on the wrong side of history at every turn.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:30 AM
Speak for yourself. You don't know what's clear to everyone else. Not everybody associates the flag with police brutality. That doesn't mean that police brutality isn't a problem. I hate the current police state too.

Some people think the flag stands for everything good about America. Conservatives could just as easily protest the flag saying it represents abortions in America. Anybody can protest the flag over any random thing that's bad about America. But some people want a way to celebrate all that's good in this country. It bothers them that it's being taken away. I've met people especially in the older generations that are heartbroken over this issue. You'll just roll your eyes and say that they're racists.

But these athletes are not "protesting the flag" - they are protesting racial injustice.

How dense does someone have to be not to get this?

Arkie
09-29-2017, 11:37 AM
But these athletes are not "protesting the flag" - they are protesting racial injustice.

How dense does someone have to be not to get this?

I get it, and it seems to be working. I'm just pointing out why some people are upset. I see their point of view too. Police brutality doesn't have anything to do with "all that's good in the country" just like abortion doesn't either, but a social conservative would view that as something wrong with this country. They aren't protesting. Can we not have a flag or anthem just because of all the bad things in America?

Chicago_Bronco
09-29-2017, 11:41 AM
But these athletes are not "protesting the flag" - they are protesting racial injustice.

How dense does someone have to be not to get this?

They are not protesting the flag, that is correct.

But they are executing their protest in a manner that many, many people find to be disrespectful.

What they are protesting and how they are protesting are two completely different things, and it's not the "what" that has upset people. How dense are you that you cannot see that?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:46 AM
I get it, and it seems to be working. I'm just pointing out why some people are upset. I see their point of view too. Police brutality doesn't have anything to do with "all that's good in the country" just like abortion doesn't either, but a social conservative would view that as something wrong with this country. They aren't protesting.

If your interpretation of the significance of the flag is that it represents "all that is good in the country," then certainly you would have to agree that America's highest good is our freedom as enumerated in the Bill of Rights, no?

If America fails to live up to the ideals which envisioned this highest good, then I can't think of a more appropriate time, place or venue for protest.

Can we not have a flag or anthem just because of all the bad things in America?[

That's just it: no one is denying you your right to stand for the anthem if you so choose. The fake patriots would deny these NFL players their right to kneel or opt out.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-29-2017, 11:56 AM
They are not protesting the flag, that is correct.

But they are executing their protest in a manner that many, many people find to be disrespectful.

Yet the phony patriots on the right fail to offer a rational explanation or a compelling argument as to why such peaceful demonstrations are "disrespectful."

Their true colors are revealed when they rally around a draft-dodging president who ****s on gold star families and American POWs.

All their talk about "disrespecting military men and women" is thus exposed as utter hypocrisy.

What they are protesting and how they are protesting are two completely different things, and it's not the "what" that has upset people. How dense are you that you cannot see that?

That is utter horse****.

It couldn't be more obvious that the "what" is EXACTLY what upsets these phony patriots (see above.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-30-2017, 09:18 AM
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footstepsfrom#27
09-30-2017, 10:02 AM
Speak for yourself. You don't know what's clear to everyone else. Not everybody associates the flag with police brutality. That doesn't mean that police brutality isn't a problem. I hate the current police state too.

Some people think the flag stands for everything good about America. Conservatives could just as easily protest the flag saying it represents abortions in America. Anybody can protest the flag over any random thing that's bad about America. But some people want a way to celebrate all that's good in this country. It bothers them that it's being taken away. I've met people especially in the older generations that are heartbroken over this issue. You'll just roll your eyes and say that they're racists.
Nobody is protesting the flag. Seriously?

Have you heard a single voice among the protesters say this is what they're upset about?

footstepsfrom#27
09-30-2017, 10:11 AM
They are not protesting the flag, that is correct.

But they are executing their protest in a manner that many, many people find to be disrespectful.

What they are protesting and how they are protesting are two completely different things, and it's not the "what" that has upset people. How dense are you that you cannot see that?
Disrespectful to who? Donald Rump who calls women pigs, black athletes sons of b****es and American POW's caotured in Vietnam losers? He's the most disrespectful person ever to hold public office in America. He deserves disrespect. Disrespectful to killer cops who murder unarmed black men, women and children in cold blood? Why do they deserve respect?

If you feel disrespected it's probably because you identify with either or both of those two objects of the protesters wrath.