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mhgaffney
09-14-2017, 11:55 AM
Keep in mind this follows the deployment in S Korea of a US ABM system - notably - without the support of the Korean people.

China and Russia Warn the U.S.

Do Not to Seek North Korean Regime Change

By Ting Shi and David Tweed

Beijing, Moscow worked to weaken sanctions on North Korea
China says it will never allow war on Korean peninsula.

September 13, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - In supporting a watered-down version of North Korea sanctions, China and Russia had a stern warning for the U.S.: Don’t try to overthrow Kim Jong Un’s regime.

The measures passed on Monday at the United Nations Security Council included reducing imports of refined petroleum products, banning textile exports and strengthening inspections of cargo ships suspected of having illegal materials. U.S. envoy Nikki Haley called them the “strongest measures ever imposed on North Korea” even though they ended up dropping demands for an oil embargo and freeze on Kim’s assets.

More worrisome for China and Russia was Haley’s remark that the U.S. would act alone if Kim’s regime didn’t stop testing missiles and bombs. The UN representatives of both countries on Monday reiterated what they called “the four nos": No regime change, regime collapse, accelerated reunification or military deployment north of the 38th parallel dividing the Korean Peninsula.

“The Chinese side will never allow conflict or war on the peninsula,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said in a statement on Tuesday.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47799.htm

mhgaffney
09-14-2017, 11:57 AM
US threatens to ‘cut China off’ from dollar if it does not uphold sanctions against N. Korea
12 Sep, 2017 21:45

The US could impose economic sanctions on China if it does not implement the new sanctions regime against North Korea, the US Treasury Secretary has warned. Steven Mnuchin said the restrictions could involve cutting off Beijing’s access to the US financial system.

“North Korea economic warfare works,” Mnuchin said Tuesday at the Delivering Alpha Conference in New York City. “We sent a message that anybody who wanted to trade with North Korea – we would consider them not trading with us.”

https://www.rt.com/usa/403118-usa-china-sanctions-north-korea/

W*GS
09-14-2017, 12:26 PM
Where would you rather live? Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, or the US?

What's Venus?

mhgaffney
09-16-2017, 09:41 AM
In his latest PCR explains why Treasury Secretary Mnuchin's threat of sanctions against China amounts to theater of the absurd. We are led by imbeciles.

An Economic Lesson for China and Russia
By Paul Craig Roberts

September 15, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - Is there anyone in Trump’s government who is not an imbecile?

After years of endless military threats against Russia—remember CIA deputy director Mike Morell saying on TV (Charlie Rose show) that the US should start killing Russians to give them a message, and Army Chief of Staff Mark Milley threatening “We’ll beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before”—now the US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin threatens China. If China doesn’t abide by Washington’s new sanctions on North Korea, Mnuchin said the US “will put additional sanctions on them [China] and prevent them from accessing the US and international dollar system.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/403118-usa-china-sanctions-north-korea/

Here is the broke US government $20 trillion in public debt, having to print money with which to buy its own bonds, threatening the second largest economy in the world, an economy on purchasing power parity terms that is larger than the US economy.

Take a moment to think about Mnuchin’s threat to China. How many US firms are located in China? It is not only Apple and Nike. Would sanctions on China mean that the US firms could not sell their Chinese made products in the US or anywhere outside China? Do you think the global US corporations would stand for this?

What if China responded by nationalizing all US factories and all Western owned banks in China and Hong Kong?

Mnuchin is like the imbecile Nikki Haley. He doesn’t know who he is threatening.

Consider Mnuchin’s threat to exclude China from the international dollar system. Nothing could do more harm to the US and more good to China. A huge amount of economic transactions would simply exit the dollar system, reducing its scope and importance. Most importantly, it would finally dawn on the Chinese and Russian governments that being a part of the dollar system is a massive liability with no benefits. Russia and China should years ago have created their own system. Being part of Washington’s system simply lets Washington make threats and impose sanctions.

The reason Russia and China are blind to this is that they foolishly sent students to the US to study economics. These students returned completely brainwashed with neoliberal economics, “junk economics” in Michael Hudson’s term. This American economics makes Russian and Chinese economists de facto American stooges. They support policies that serve Washington instead of their own countries.

If China and Russia want to be sovereign countries, they must pray that the imbecile Mnuchin does cut them off from the dollar system that exploits them. Then Russia and China will have to put in place their own system and learn real economics instead of propaganda posing as economics that serves Washington’s interest.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47814.htm

W*GS
09-16-2017, 09:51 AM
What's Venus?

Where would you rather live? Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, or the US?

Rohirrim
09-16-2017, 09:54 AM
In his latest PCR explains why Treasury Secretary Mnuchin's threat of sanctions against China amounts to theater of the absurd. We are led by imbeciles.

An Economic Lesson for China and Russia
By Paul Craig Roberts

September 15, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - Is there anyone in Trump’s government who is not an imbecile?

After years of endless military threats against Russia—remember CIA deputy director Mike Morell saying on TV (Charlie Rose show) that the US should start killing Russians to give them a message, and Army Chief of Staff Mark Milley threatening “We’ll beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before”—now the US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin threatens China. If China doesn’t abide by Washington’s new sanctions on North Korea, Mnuchin said the US “will put additional sanctions on them [China] and prevent them from accessing the US and international dollar system.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/403118-usa-china-sanctions-north-korea/

Here is the broke US government $20 trillion in public debt, having to print money with which to buy its own bonds, threatening the second largest economy in the world, an economy on purchasing power parity terms that is larger than the US economy.

Take a moment to think about Mnuchin’s threat to China. How many US firms are located in China? It is not only Apple and Nike. Would sanctions on China mean that the US firms could not sell their Chinese made products in the US or anywhere outside China? Do you think the global US corporations would stand for this?

What if China responded by nationalizing all US factories and all Western owned banks in China and Hong Kong?

Mnuchin is like the imbecile Nikki Haley. He doesn’t know who he is threatening.

Consider Mnuchin’s threat to exclude China from the international dollar system. Nothing could do more harm to the US and more good to China. A huge amount of economic transactions would simply exit the dollar system, reducing its scope and importance. Most importantly, it would finally dawn on the Chinese and Russian governments that being a part of the dollar system is a massive liability with no benefits. Russia and China should years ago have created their own system. Being part of Washington’s system simply lets Washington make threats and impose sanctions.

The reason Russia and China are blind to this is that they foolishly sent students to the US to study economics. These students returned completely brainwashed with neoliberal economics, “junk economics” in Michael Hudson’s term. This American economics makes Russian and Chinese economists de facto American stooges. They support policies that serve Washington instead of their own countries.

If China and Russia want to be sovereign countries, they must pray that the imbecile Mnuchin does cut them off from the dollar system that exploits them. Then Russia and China will have to put in place their own system and learn real economics instead of propaganda posing as economics that serves Washington’s interest.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47814.htm

The propaganda merchants of Putin are now openly cheering for the destruction of the USA. Before, they just encouraged its downfall. Now they're cheering on our enemies. An interesting development.

mhgaffney
09-16-2017, 10:31 AM
The propaganda merchants of Putin are now openly cheering for the destruction of the USA. Before, they just encouraged its downfall. Now they're cheering on our enemies. An interesting development.

hahahahaaaa

No, our incompetent leaders don't need any help in this regard. They are bringing about the collapse of the dollar on their own -- through sheer stupidity. With leaders like Mnuchin who needs enemies?

W*GS
09-16-2017, 11:09 AM
Where would you rather live? Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, or the US?

What's Venus?

ShaneFalco
09-16-2017, 11:18 AM
Russia is skirting UN sanction against North Korea.

I am no fan of sanctions in the first place, because they dont accomplish anything.

But if you are going vote on them, and enforce them. Russia should stop trying to undermine the rest of the UN.

footstepsfrom#27
09-16-2017, 06:56 PM
Have you ever been laid?

What IS Venus? ???

Rohirrim
09-16-2017, 10:25 PM
Russia is skirting UN sanction against North Korea.

I am no fan of sanctions in the first place, because they dont accomplish anything.

But if you are going vote on them, and enforce them. Russia should stop trying to undermine the rest of the UN.

"Skirting" sanctions? They're completely ignoring them. Russia has always been opposed to the UN. A year ago, U.S. intelligence stated that NK was years away from putting a nuke on an ICBM. Now, suddenly, they're launching a ballistic missile a week and firing off a hydrogen bomb. I guarantee you, they didn't build this stuff. Putin is sowing chaos wherever he can. When the time is right, he'll use that chaos to seize more territory.

mhgaffney
09-16-2017, 10:33 PM
"Skirting" sanctions? They're completely ignoring them. Russia has always been opposed to the UN. A year ago, U.S. intelligence stated that NK was years away from putting a nuke on an ICBM. Now, suddenly, they're launching a ballistic missile a week and firing off a hydrogen bomb. I guarantee you, they didn't build this stuff. Putin is sowing chaos wherever he can. When the time is right, he'll use that chaos to seize more territory.

Did Putin destroy Iraq? Sudan? Libya? Syria?

Two years ago, Ro claimed that the Russian intervention in Syria was an attempt to resurrect the Soviet empire. Did that happen? No, the Russians did exactly what they said they were going to do. They assisted Syria to defeat Al Qaeda and ISIS. Today, as a result, Syria survives as a sovereign nation, despite the best efforts of the US and its Gulf allies to destroy it.

Putin has acted to defend sovereignty -- while the US has done the opposite.

Rohirrim
09-16-2017, 10:43 PM
Did Putin destroy Iraq? Sudan? Libya? Syria?

Two years ago, Ro claimed that the Russian intervention in Syria was an attempt to resurrect the Soviet empire. Did that happen? No, the Russians did exactly what they said they were going to do. They assisted Syria to defeat Al Qaeda and ISIS. Today, as a result, Syria survives as a sovereign nation, despite the best efforts of the US and its Gulf allies to destroy it.

Putin has acted to defend sovereignty -- while the US has done the opposite.

I never said any such thing. Putin intervened in Syria to keep control of Russia's only Mediterranean port, plus he will intervene against NATO forces wherever they are. And your analysis of what the Russians did in Syria and where Syria stands now, like most of your analyses, is so ludicrous that it is comical.

Eventually, (hopefully sooner than later) America will pull out of all of these countries where they have stupidly intervened and we will stop playing the world's policeman. I long for that day.

Will Putin ever pull out of Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, or even Belarus (once he invades there) or Estonia, (once he invades there)? Of course not. He has only just started to seize back the territories of the USSR.

W*GS
09-17-2017, 06:11 AM
der gaffo is a cheap whore to dictators and various other scum and villainy.

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 09:20 AM
Russia is skirting UN sanction against North Korea.

I am no fan of sanctions in the first place, because they dont accomplish anything.

But if you are going vote on them, and enforce them. Russia should stop trying to undermine the rest of the UN.

The US is violating the UN resolution by not negotiating.

Check this out.

Why Peace is Alien to the U.S.

By Finian Cunningham
September 16, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - You'd have to laugh – if it were not so grave. The Trump administration says that it is running out of patience for a diplomatic solution to the Korea crisis.

This pseudo piousness comes from a US government that continually refuses to enter into direct negotiations with Kim Jong-un, the leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

So, how can the US say it is growing weary from diplomatic effort when it hasn’t even bothered to breathe an earnest word of diplomacy – despite being urged to do so by Russia, China, and other world leaders?

French President Emmanuel Macron in a phone call with Russia’s Vladimir Putin was the latest world leader to endorse Moscow’s appeal for negotiations over the Korea crisis.

As Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, pointed out, the latest resolution concerning North Korea, voted on September 11, specifically calls on all parties, including the United States, to open negotiations and commit to finding a peaceful resolution.

Therefore, by not fulfilling diplomatic responsibility, the US is not complying with the UN resolution
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47822.htm

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 09:23 AM
I never said any such thing. Putin intervened in Syria to keep control of Russia's only Mediterranean port, plus he will intervene against NATO forces wherever they are. And your analysis of what the Russians did in Syria and where Syria stands now, like most of your analyses, is so ludicrous that it is comical.

Eventually, (hopefully sooner than later) America will pull out of all of these countries where they have stupidly intervened and we will stop playing the world's policeman. I long for that day.

Will Putin ever pull out of Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, or even Belarus (once he invades there) or Estonia, (once he invades there)? Of course not. He has only just started to seize back the territories of the USSR.

So you think the US is the world's policeman? We have good intentions but are simply misguided.

This is hogwash. Gen Wesley Clark stated the reality very clearly. The plan was to destroy 7 countries in 5 years. This was decided on BEFORE the 9/11 attacks -- which were staged to create a pretext to expand the US war machine -- just like the Nazis staged the Reichstag fire.

You live in la la land.

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 09:23 AM
America today is a Neo Nazi state. We are the enemy of peace.

Rohirrim
09-17-2017, 09:36 AM
Will Putin ever pull out of Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, or even Belarus (once he invades there) or Estonia, (once he invades there)? Of course not. He has only just started to seize back the territories of the USSR.

Rohirrim
09-17-2017, 09:47 AM
So you think the US is the world's policeman? We have good intentions but are simply misguided.

This is hogwash. Gen Wesley Clark stated the reality very clearly. The plan was to destroy 7 countries in 5 years. This was decided on BEFORE the 9/11 attacks -- which were staged to create a pretext to expand the US war machine -- just like the Nazis staged the Reichstag fire.

You live in la la land.

The massive failure of outcomes in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Afghanistan have marginalized the entire PNAC cabal. They have been thoroughly discredited by history. There may be true believers like Cheney and Bill Kristol out there still trying to breath life into the zombie, but as a foreign policy structure it has been marginalized.

Only lunatics like yourself are still wandering the globe warning of the impending doom of the neocons. Of course, before that, it was the Illuminati. Before that, the Masons. Before that, the Rothchilds. You idiots will always come up with some kind of secret global menace to keep you under your beds.

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 09:59 AM
Wrong. The neocons and their neoliberal allies are still in control of US foreign policy. The War Machine rules Amerikkka. Obama failed to purge them -- because he did not have the power to do it or the inclination to even try.

Chumps like you still haven't figured this out.

Rohirrim
09-17-2017, 10:09 AM
Wrong. The neocons and their neoliberal allies are still in control of US foreign policy. The War Machine rules Amerikkka. Obama failed to purge them -- because he did not have the power to do it or the inclination to even try.

Chumps like you still haven't figured this out.

You're an idiot.

Will Putin ever pull out of Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, or even Belarus (once he invades there) or Estonia, (once he invades there)? Of course not. He has only just started to seize back the territories of the USSR.

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 11:00 AM
Ro keeps asking the wrong questions

Will the US ever stop supporting covert operations (incidents) on Russia's border, like we did in Georgia?

Will the US ever stop flying in Al Qaeda terrorists to destabilize other nations, especially Russia, like we did in Chechnya?

Will the US ever stop staging coups on Russia's border to destabilize Russia - like we did in Ukraine in 2014?

Will the US ever stop lying about what really happened? Like we did in the case of Crimea, which was historically part of Russia?

ShaneFalco
09-17-2017, 11:03 AM
The US is violating the UN resolution by not negotiating.

Check this out.

Why Peace is Alien to the U.S.

By Finian Cunningham
September 16, 2017 "Information Clearing House" - You'd have to laugh – if it were not so grave. The Trump administration says that it is running out of patience for a diplomatic solution to the Korea crisis.

This pseudo piousness comes from a US government that continually refuses to enter into direct negotiations with Kim Jong-un, the leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

So, how can the US say it is growing weary from diplomatic effort when it hasn’t even bothered to breathe an earnest word of diplomacy – despite being urged to do so by Russia, China, and other world leaders?

French President Emmanuel Macron in a phone call with Russia’s Vladimir Putin was the latest world leader to endorse Moscow’s appeal for negotiations over the Korea crisis.

As Russia’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, pointed out, the latest resolution concerning North Korea, voted on September 11, specifically calls on all parties, including the United States, to open negotiations and commit to finding a peaceful resolution.

Therefore, by not fulfilling diplomatic responsibility, the US is not complying with the UN resolution
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47822.htm

I have always believed that using our market forces in North Korea would have served the interests of the US far more. North Korean people buying our products would learn to love America culture. Then would directly lead to them questioning their regime.

But its gotten to the point, where that may never work now.

I dont blame the US when Japan is having missles launched over their country.

One day it could carry a nuke, and bam there goes japan.

Russia is acting like it doesnt care if a nuke goes off in Japan or anywhere else by helping the Nkorea regime. Sure they say they dont want war, but are helping the regime there.

Maybe they will care when Japan and South Korea and Vietnam develop nukes?

Rohirrim
09-17-2017, 11:12 AM
I have always believed that using our market forces in North Korea would have served the interests of the US far more. North Korean people buying our products would learn to love America culture. Then would directly lead to them questioning their regime.

But its gotten to the point, where that may never work now.

I dont blame the US when Japan is having missles launched over their country.

One day it could carry a nuke, and bam there goes japan.

Russia is acting like it doesnt care if a nuke goes off in Japan or anywhere else by helping the Nkorea regime. Sure they say they dont want war, but are helping the regime there.

Maybe they will care when Japan and South Korea and Vietnam develop nukes?

Ha! NK is a totally closed society. They have banned all outside influence (and products) for decades.

Rohirrim
09-17-2017, 11:13 AM
Ro keeps asking the wrong questions

Will the US ever stop supporting covert operations (incidents) on Russia's border, like we did in Georgia?

Will the US ever stop flying in Al Qaeda terrorists to destabilize other nations, especially Russia, like we did in Chechnya?

Will the US ever stop staging coups on Russia's border to destabilize Russia - like we did in Ukraine in 2014?

Will the US ever stop lying about what really happened? Like we did in the case of Crimea, which was historically part of Russia?

Putin troll continues his lame defense of the murderous thug of Russia whose role model is Josef Stalin.

ShaneFalco
09-17-2017, 11:17 AM
Ha! NK is a totally closed society. They have banned all outside influence (and products) for decades.

yes thats the point. if we had tried to get them to drop this, and stop sanctions a long time ago.

Things could have been different.


Its gone way past that point tho.

W*GS
09-17-2017, 11:18 AM
https://i.imgur.com/R5KXhRG.png

W*GS
09-17-2017, 11:21 AM
America today is a Neo Nazi state. We are the enemy of peace.

https://m.popkey.co/e683c5/Wo67_f-maxage-0.gif

mhgaffney
09-17-2017, 08:08 PM
Putin troll continues his lame defense of the murderous thug of Russia whose role model is Josef Stalin.

Ro is a hard-edged ideologue. He makes the world fit his ideology. If it won't fit he disregards reality.

The Soviet Union died in 1991. Ro slept through those events, however, and still lives in the 1930s - 1950s.

W*GS
09-17-2017, 08:12 PM
Where would you rather live? Russia or the US?

What's Venus?

cutthemdown
09-17-2017, 08:31 PM
I can understand why Gaff has big problems with American policy over the years. I just don't get why he gravitates towards the Soviet errrrr Russia and N Korea, Iran etc etc. I would think he would be why can't we be more like the Swiss!

mhgaffney
09-19-2017, 05:36 AM
I can understand why Gaff has big problems with American policy over the years. I just don't get why he gravitates towards the Soviet errrrr Russia and N Korea, Iran etc etc. I would think he would be why can't we be more like the Swiss!

Good idea!

Rohirrim
09-19-2017, 08:09 AM
I can understand why Gaff has big problems with American policy over the years. I just don't get why he gravitates towards the Soviet errrrr Russia and N Korea, Iran etc etc. I would think he would be why can't we be more like the Swiss!

He's got some hang-up about Putin. I think it's true love.

mhgaffney
09-20-2017, 06:11 PM
He's got some hang-up about Putin. I think it's true love.

To understand the world we live in -- it is necessary to see things through the eyes of your adversary.

Unfortunately, you don't. What does this make you?

Just another stupid ignorant American.

Rohirrim
09-20-2017, 06:15 PM
To understand the world we live in -- it is necessary to see things through the eyes of your adversary.

Unfortunately, you don't. What does this make you?

Just another stupid ignorant American.

Putin is an ex-KGB murderer, a mobster and a thug. Do you want to "look into his soul" like Dubya did? Ha!

W*GS
09-20-2017, 06:35 PM
I'm just another stupid ignorant asswipe.

FYP.

What's Venus?

Where would you rather live? US or Russia?

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 10:59 PM
To understand the world we live in -- it is necessary to see things through the eyes of your adversary.

Unfortunately, you don't. What does this make you?

Just another stupid ignorant American.

gaff, that is completely contrary to your user history on this message board. this is one of the key components as to why people like you irritate me in particular. because here you posted a piece of incredibly valuable wisdom (which is good), that is easily dismissed (which is the polar opposite of good) by the postmodern pathology insofar as a) you've weaponized a valuable toolkit in a way that is counter-intuitive to the thing itself; b) you misused it as a defense mechanism instead of employing it, and c) you implied weakness and uncertainty as a consequence of b).

when i "troll" people it's generally in self defense (or in defense of counter ideals for the sake of reason is how i like to think of it). other times, i troll people for particular reasons with actual goals in mind. and that is certainly the approach that others are taking when they're troll you in particular. their goal is to trigger an emotional response in you, which in turn leads you into clumsily throwing all your cards on the table and lashing out. lol and you make it too easy for them.

me personally, i troll you in particular because i hate those few RARE occasions where you sully legitimate truths and insights that are particularly important due to your past history and inability to effectively defend them.

this is going to sound backhanded (lol which, to be fair, it definitely is), but i do hold your character above a fairly decent majority of the WRP regulars. solely based on the posts of your user account, however, i don't necessarily know that i can say as much in terms of your mental acuity. but that is not important because it's something you might not be able (or willing) to change. you can a) accept it, b) get upset about it, or c) you can prove me wrong.

so there's intelligence and then there is wisdom, yes? okay, so you have been blessed with something the postmodernists would consider a psychological disease (lol or even an outright "pathology," from their point of view). i too, have the same disease... lol we can't ****ing stand WHEN THINGS DON'Tj MAKE SENSE!!!

to the postmodernist, however, "sense" becomes irrelevant through the solipsistic belief that reality is a social construct. nietzche actually warned of this exact threat (also dostoevsky, through fiction literature). nietzche argued (rightly) that with the loss of the concept of god and the divine individual, that humans would have to become gods themselves if they were going to survive without it. hence the constant battering of their malleable heads against the altruist uptopian delusion. it doesn't matter how many hundreds of millions of lives are lost in this philosophical fool's errand of an endeavor, you simply cannot ignore human nature. no matter how hard you try.

so getting back to "things making sense," what i don't think you realize here is that the very same characteristics of this 'social construct' mechanism have begun to surface in your addiction to conspiracy websites. i think it's great that you made the first step in questioning popular belief (albeit in the extreme), but you seem to have not progressed from that stage... and, as a consequence, your initial display of philosophically virtuous humility becomes completely null. because your stuck there (and you definitely are), your views just become one pathology competing against another. at that point it doesn't really matter which one is more extreme.

my advice to you, in two parts:

part the first...

gaff... i too, LOVE conspiracies. but i think we like them for different reasons. whereas you might infer they have granted you some kind of an informed superiority of sorts, i on the other hand like them simply because i like history. so i'd first suggest you seek a relationship with history that simultaneously exhibits both fanatical curiosity but also disciplined humility.

a famous someone once said "history is the biography of a madman." so with that in mind, i like to view history as an enormous 20,000 ft skyscraper with umpteen thousand windows. to me, "conspiracy theories" are just another window into that structure that i am happy to look in. but you CANNOT ignore the other hundreds of thousands of windows.

to the uneducated, the problem is that conspiracies - by their own nature - inspire feelings of outrage and betrayal... thus, fear... outrage... and overreaction as a consequence. in an earlier thread i tried very hard to outline an example for you (pearl harbor, i believe) as to why it is sometimes necessary to orchestrate a conspiracy against the public. but the point is that there are different kinds of conspiracies... some were essential... some were pragmatic... some were nefarious... and some were even profit driven. lol and there is plenty of crossover... belive me.

so i think conspiracy theories, by and large, have distracted you from learning history. :(

part the second...

this advice is much more immediate and foolproof. i think it will help you grow - both professionally and intellectually

first, you need to separate communication and articulation as two things that you can work at and improve on

ARTICULATION:

this one's simple. simply apply the socratic method to your verbiage. and do it compulsively (ESPECIALLY on issues concerning religion and politics)

COMMUNICATION:

1. as a mental exercise, there's a thing sometimes referred to as "resolving binaries." what this is is an effort to develop an ability to both fully understand and articulate two side of an argument, and then come up with a third solution. the more you commit to this exercise, the more you will understand its philosophical wisdom and you will be able to do it on the fly with increasing effectivity.

2. lol this one is reeeeeeally easy. control your emotions, or they will control you

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 11:10 PM
so getting back to "things making sense," what i don't think you realize here is that the very same characteristics of this 'social construct' mechanism have begun to surface in your addiction to conspiracy websites. i think it's great that you made the first step in questioning popular belief (albeit in the extreme), but you seem to have not progressed from that stage... and, as a consequence, your initial display of philosophically virtuous humility becomes completely null. because your stuck there (and you definitely are), your views just become one pathology competing against another. at that point it doesn't really matter which one is more extreme.

P.S.

incidentally, this is actuallyt central to the warning i tried to outline in my charlottesville thread

food for thought...

mhgaffney
09-20-2017, 11:31 PM
Very funny, Loser! haha

Are you aware that the crisis with N Korea is as much about China as Korea? China is about to launch a fully convertible Yuan at the Shanghai Gold Exchange that will overturn the dollar as the world's reserve corrency. This is the back story to the N Korea crisis. It's why the US refuses to negotiate with N Korea and it's also why Trump is attacking the nuclear deal with Iran. It also explains the demonization of Putin and Russia sanctions.

Russia and Iran ALREADY are selling their oil to China in exchange for gold backed yuans. But China is about to take the next step - - which will be a game changer. They are about to make the yuan fully convertible -- so any oil producer will be able to trade oil for gold.

Most Americans have no clue this is about to happen. Americans are blissfully stupid and ignorant.

If the world moves away from the dollar to the gold backed yuan -- the dollar will crash and with it the US economy. The US will lose its global influence and cease to be a superpower. The dollar will lose half its value almost overnight.

The key country to go next is S Arabia. They have been in talks with the Chinese for months. This is why Trump visited S Arabia recently and cut an arms deal -- top try and save the US-Saudi relationship -- but Trump apparently was not completely successful. The Saudis are pissed off at the US -- because Congress recently passed a bill over Obama's veto enabling Americans to sue Saudi Arabia for damages over the 9/11 attack. This is why 9/11 truth is more important than ever.

If the Saudis move to the yuan -- it will be the end of the petro dollar.

We are in the most dangerous moment in human history. We are on the brink of nuclear war. It's a perfect storm.

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 11:45 PM
Very funny, Loser! haha

Are you aware that the crisis with N Korea is as much about China as Korea? China is about to launch a fully convertible Yuan at the Shanghai Gold Exchange that will overturn the dollar as the world's reserve corrency. This is the back story to the N Korea crisis. It's why the US refuses to negotiate with N Korea and it's also why Trump is attacking the nuclear deal with Iran. It also explains the demonization of Putin and Russia sanctions.

Russia and Iran ALREADY are selling their oil to China in exchange for gold backed yuans. But China is about to take the next step - - which will be a game changer. They are about to make the yuan fully convertible -- so any oil producer will be able to trade oil for gold.

Most Americans have no clue this is about to happen. Americans are blissfully stupid and ignorant.

If the world moves away from the dollar to the gold backed yuan -- the dollar will crash and with it the US economy. The US will lose its global influence and cease to be a superpower. The dollar will lose half its value almost overnight.

The key country to go next is S Arabia. They have been in talks with the Chinese for months. This is why Trump visited S Arabia recently and cut an arms deal -- top try and save the US-Saudi relationship -- but Trump apparently was not completely successful. The Saudis are pissed off at the US -- because Congress recently passed a bill over Obama's veto enabling Americans to sue Saudi Arabia for damages over the 9/11 attack. This is why 9/11 truth is more important than ever.

If the Saudis move to the yuan -- it will be the end of the petro dollar.

We are in the most dangerous moment in human history. We are on the brink of nuclear war. It's a perfect storm.

lol jesus fkn christ...

okay... at this point it's just too late in the evening. i'll delineate your embarrassingly terrible communication skills in their entirety tomorrow or the next day.

but i MUST at least respond to the first sentence:

Are you aware that the crisis with N Korea is as much about China as Korea?

sweetheart. lol ARE YOU ****ING MENTAL? lol do you not realize i fkn literally don't have enough fingers to count the number of times i've already mentioned this EXACT SAME THING??

lol like there is zero point of you posting in this forum if you absolutely refuse to become part of the community and pay attention to the users you engage on a regular basis.

mhgaffney
09-20-2017, 11:49 PM
Good. You got your mojo working! Get some sleep.

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 11:49 PM
actually, you know what

no. no i will not

get off your lazy ass and either "RE-read" (or maybe just ACTUALLY read) post #37

you are the horse; there is the water.

kthxbai :wave:

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 11:54 PM
Good. You got your mojo working! Get some sleep.

also you are being overly-familiar with my mojo

my mojo is shrouded in secrecy...

my mojo has layers...

LoserSlick
09-20-2017, 11:55 PM
:flower:

mhgaffney
09-21-2017, 12:44 AM
haha.

What a trip! You are too verbose for me.

LoserSlick
09-21-2017, 01:10 AM
haha.

What a trip! You are too verbose for me.

english isn't my first language :(

but it's generally the first language i 'think' in

in you r honest view, am i confusing in these forums? or maybe just overbearing?

mhgaffney
09-21-2017, 10:22 AM
I don't have an issue with you Loser.

Have a nice day.