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ShaneFalco
09-13-2017, 12:24 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rand-pauls-bid-sunset-u-s-war-authorizations-fails-172233633.html

WASHINGTON — Sen. Rand Paul’s attempt to sunset congressional authorizations for the nation’s overseas wars failed Wednesday, with nearly all of the body’s Republicans and a sizable chunk of Democrats voting to table his amendment.

Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Dean Heller, R-Nev., were the only other Republicans to back Paul’s effort. More than 30 Democrats voted in favor of it.

Paul forced a vote on his amendment to the defense appropriations bill, arguing that the current 2001 and 2002 Authorizations of the Use of Military Force (AUMFs) are out of date and that the U.S.’s conflict against ISIS and other groups is illegal.

The amendment would have phased out the AUMFs in six months without replacing them, forcing Congress to explicitly define the parameters of its conflicts abroad by passing a new authorization during that time. The original AUMFs were aimed at fighting al-Qaida in Afghanistan and authorizing the Iraq War.

“That war is long since over, the war has long since lost its purpose, and it’s [a] long time [since we’ve had] a debate in Congress about whether we should be at war or not,” Paul said.

President Barack Obama requested a new AUMF for the fight against ISIS in 2015, which was dead on arrival when he sent it to Congress. But Obama has also insisted he had the authority to battle ISIS under the 2001 resolution, because the group grew out of al-Qaida.

Several senators from both sides of the aisle said Wednesday that they could not support the measure because it would strip the president of authority to fight the war on terror if no replacement passed.

“Repealing the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs without simultaneously passing a new authorization would be premature, would be irresponsible, and it would threaten national security,” said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who shepherded the defense spending bill.

McCain said it was time for a new authorization, but that Paul’s amendment was not the way to do it.

“You can’t replace something with nothing,” Sen Jack Reed, D-R.I., said.

His colleague, Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., echoed that sentiment. “In some ways we have the herd ahead of the horse,” Moran said.

The White House has made clear it does not want Congress to pass a new AUMF, though Donald Trump at one time said the president would need congressional approval to bomb Syria. He launched his own airstrikes in that country in April without explicit congressional approval.

“We stand by the 2001 AUMF,” White House Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short told reporters Tuesday. “We believe it provides us with the flexibility we need to execute our foreign policy.”

The AUMF debate is not going away, however. Sens. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Tim Kaine, D-Va., have put forward a new war authorization that has yet to be debated in committee. (Flake voted against Paul’s amendment.) And in June, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., launched a surprisingly successful attempt to amend the defense bill with a demand for a new AUMF in the House with bipartisan support. Later, House leaders stripped her amendment from the final bill.

mhgaffney
09-13-2017, 10:33 PM
Rand Paul is a rarity -- an old style conservative. But Congress is controlled by the war lobby. Both parties have succumbed to the military industrial complex.

The only people who benefit are the1%

mhgaffney
09-14-2017, 04:38 AM
Congress unanimously passes an anti Nazi bill -- yet fails to rein in the US war machine which is much bigger threat to the planet than the Third Reich ever was.

The Continuity of Government (COG) program that went viral after 9/11 is evidently still operative -- 16 years later. We live in a police state that surveils everyone all the time. Orwell's nightmare come true.

And who in here gives a hoot?

Pitiful. Pathetic. Shameful. Disgraceful.

ShaneFalco
09-14-2017, 04:43 AM
Congress unanimously passes an anti Nazi bill -- yet fails to rein in the US war machine which is much bigger threat to the planet than the Third Reich ever was.

The Continuity of Government (COG) program that went viral after 9/11 is evidently still operative -- 16 years later. We live in a police state that surveils everyone all the time. Orwell's nightmare come true.

And who in here gives a hoot?

Pitiful. Pathetic. Shameful. Disgraceful.

well it shows you where has politics gone in this country.

Division politics. Race politics. That is what the two parties and their alternative crazies thrive off of.

Nobody gives a **** if we go to war on a whim anymore.

W*GS
09-14-2017, 05:09 AM
Pitiful. Pathetic. Shameful. Disgraceful.

Yes, you are.

Where would you rather live? US, Russia, or Venezuela?

What's Venus?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-14-2017, 10:18 AM
well it shows you where has politics gone in this country.

Division politics. Race politics. That is what the two parties and their alternative crazies thrive off of.

Nobody gives a **** if we go to war on a whim anymore.

Look in the mirror, Spicoli:

https://s26.postimg.org/dkq6nyrw9/identity.jpg

Rohirrim
09-14-2017, 01:24 PM
well it shows you where has politics gone in this country.

Division politics. Race politics. That is what the two parties and their alternative crazies thrive off of.

Nobody gives a **** if we go to war on a whim anymore.

That's not true at all. But to expect Congress to do anything about it is a fool's errand. They are bought out. As a progressive, one of the most important issues to me is to add an amendment to the Constitution stating that corporations are not people and do not enjoy the rights and privileges of people. That they can't engage in political influence and can only continue to exist as long as they can illustrate that they serve as a public good.

You must disentangle corporate power from government. That's what keeps the military/industrial complex in business As Eisenhower put it, it's influence, "...is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government." A little piece of the MIC operates in every district in the U.S. The entire country benefits from building and selling weapons. It's a parasite that will consume us.