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Broncoandrew
08-15-2016, 09:34 AM
Looks like a bad knee injury. Hopefully Crick is good.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/8/15/12486070/defensive-end-vance-walker-has-been-carted-off-the-field-with-a-knee

yerner
08-15-2016, 09:35 AM
****. That's not good.

Endzo
08-15-2016, 09:36 AM
This will be a huge blow if it's serious. I'm crossing my fingers.

Hopefully Gotsis is ready for the increased reps.

Maybe they should increase the vet days off. Depth is the defenses best tool. We need everyone healthy.

yerner
08-15-2016, 09:38 AM
even is gotsis and crick play well they're still already super thin and it's not even week one.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 09:38 AM
Gotsis gots it.



Get ready for them to pluck someone's cuts in a few weeks.

Bronc0guy
08-15-2016, 09:40 AM
Gotsis gots it.



Get ready for them to pluck someone's cuts in a few weeks.

Yep. That sucks. Hopefully it's nothing too serious.

wolf754life
08-15-2016, 09:41 AM
Nope not this time...

This is terrible news....

Their goes the integrity of the defense, without walker, crick gets worn down, gotsis is not ready

this defense won't be able to stop the run

wolf will get doubled everytime...

7 and 9 on the way....

terrible news...

Broncoandrew
08-15-2016, 09:43 AM
Nope not this time...

This is terrible news....

Their goes the integrity of the defense, without walker, crick gets worn down, gotsis is not ready

this defense won't be able to stop the run

wolf will get doubled everytime...

7 and 9 on the way....

terrible news...

I think that's a little dire. They still have several other steller players on the line to take some of the load off of a lesser player. But this is almost the worst news we could receive

yerner
08-15-2016, 09:44 AM
Antonio Smith? Chris Canty?

Rabb
08-15-2016, 09:45 AM
Wolf being a dire, dramatic bitch?

I'm shocked.

Bronc0guy
08-15-2016, 09:45 AM
Antonio Smith? Chris Canty?

They should get on the horn and call Smith pronto.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 09:45 AM
IIRC, Billy Winn (who we signed off the scrap heap) was hurt too. DE is very thin with Wolfe, Crick and Gotsis.

ANUNIKE GONNA COME BACK?

I'm pretty sure Antonio Smith wanted to retire.

Trade for Nkemdiche?

yerner
08-15-2016, 09:46 AM
melton?

I kindo of like Canty. He can still play I think?

BABronco
08-15-2016, 09:48 AM
Nope not this time...

This is terrible news....

Their goes the integrity of the defense, without walker, crick gets worn down, gotsis is not ready

this defense won't be able to stop the run

wolf will get doubled everytime...

7 and 9 on the way....

terrible news...
Omfg omfg the sky is falling. We will now likely have the #1 pick. Might as well just forfeit all our games now.

Yes it's terrible Walker got hurt. He was looking very promising. I'll wait until they say how long he should be out for. I'm still not worried. We still have the most talented defense I'm the NFL.

Kaylore
08-15-2016, 10:11 AM
Hilarious! Who would have known Walker was the key to the entire defense? Thank God we have Wolf to explain it to us.

NURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

cmhargrove
08-15-2016, 10:13 AM
http://www.know-bull.com/images/tsif.jpg

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 10:16 AM
You guys realize Wolfe doesn't actually believe what he posts and is walking the Wolfe narrative on every incident?

Kaylore
08-15-2016, 10:17 AM
FWIW, I am excited about Gotsis and Yarbrough getting more reps. Both showed well. Yarbrough is very fluid and I'd love to see him "have" to make the team due to injury.

Quoydogs
08-15-2016, 10:18 AM
While this is ****ty news, I do feel some relif in watching all three levels of our D in the first Preseason game.

Bronc0guy
08-15-2016, 10:23 AM
The sky isn't falling, but it's not good if it's serious.

sgbfan
08-15-2016, 10:25 AM
Oh no! The deepest D in the league list a second string player. This makes us thin along the line, but as long as no other injuries, we'll be OK. They will sign someone to replace him

The Joker
08-15-2016, 10:31 AM
Wow, didn't think people would be so worried about Walker being out. He probably wouldn't make a list of our top ten defenders.

If this is the worst thing that happens in pre-season I'll be thrilled.

Obviously hope he's OK as he's a solid part of the rotation.

wolf754life
08-15-2016, 10:32 AM
lol, fanboys...

its all good until you realize all the extra resources Wade will have to commit to consistently stop the run.

its a fundamental problem...

you'll see.

Aztec Bronco
08-15-2016, 10:32 AM
On one hand, DL is the spot on D where you really need the depth. On the other hand, outside of Wolfe pretty much every D-lineman is a solid but unspectacular role player with little to no drop off from one to another.

Just hope it isn't season-ending.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2016, 10:38 AM
Wow, didn't think people would be so worried about Walker being out. He probably wouldn't make a list of our top ten defenders.

If this is the worst thing that happens in pre-season I'll be thrilled.

Obviously hope he's OK as he's a solid part of the rotation.

Why are you surprised. The Mane does this constantly. Basically with any injury to a starter.

The.Underdog
08-15-2016, 10:47 AM
I am dissappointed with this. While Walker may not have been top 10 defensive player last year, every report out of camp was that he has been dominating. Sucks to lose what could have been.

Hopefully, its just a scare and he stays off IR.

IndelibleScribe
08-15-2016, 10:50 AM
Crick and Gotsis better be the truth and even then we still need more depth. One of the rookie UDFA or a future FA signing has to step up.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 10:51 AM
Crick and Gotsis better be the truth and even then we still need more depth. One of the rookie UDFA or a future FA signing has to step up.


Gotsis is gonna bring bodies all over the ground mentality. That guys a freak.

KapriBibbs4prez
08-15-2016, 10:51 AM
Sky ain't falling but if serious injury it's never good to lose DL that can play. It will suck if he's done for year.

Last year Broncos were fortunate to not have major injuries. Hope it's the same this year.

IndelibleScribe
08-15-2016, 10:52 AM
FWIW, I am excited about Gotsis and Yarbrough getting more reps. Both showed well. Yarbrough is very fluid and I'd love to see him "have" to make the team due to injury.

Isn't Yarbrough playing OLB though?

WoodMan
08-15-2016, 10:53 AM
Sucks hear this. I hate it when players get injured, but it is going to happen. Fortunately for the Broncos it is early in camp and they should be able to find someone to fill in and learn some of the defense, if Walker is going to miss an extended amount of time.

TonyR
08-15-2016, 10:56 AM
its a fundamental problem...


Yeah, it really does suck that the Broncos are the only team in the league that sometimes has to deal with injuries. They should probably just pack it in and hope for better luck next year...

bpc
08-15-2016, 10:58 AM
I said at beginning of camp, I think we could see Sly Williams slide over and pick up some DE work. Kilgo is being groomed, Peko is having a good camp. Denver will sign somebody unless it's not a big deal along with trying to replace internally.

Smiling Assassin27
08-15-2016, 10:58 AM
We are all...

http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2012/10/HalloweenTV4.gif

WoodMan
08-15-2016, 11:01 AM
Didn't Dallas release some wife beater thug early this year who was supposed to be a stud defensive end? Gregory or something like that. I just bring this up to stir the o-mane soup.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2016, 11:07 AM
lol, fanboys...

its all good until you realize all the extra resources Wade will have to commit to consistently stop the run.

its a fundamental problem...

you'll see.

You mean like in the SB, when Wade dared Carolina to throw the ball?

Agamemnon
08-15-2016, 11:12 AM
Hopefully it's a sprain and not a tear.

IndelibleScribe
08-15-2016, 11:14 AM
Didn't Dallas release some wife beater thug early this year who was supposed to be a stud defensive end? Gregory or something like that. I just bring this up to stir the o-mane soup.

I know it takes all type to win in the NFL...but keep that crazy ****er away from the Broncos.

The damn Cowboys and their ****ed up locker room wanted no part of him returning to the team. He scared his own teammates. That ain't the kind of dude you want in a championship locker room.

DENVERDUI55
08-15-2016, 11:17 AM
Hilarious! Who would have known Walker was the key to the entire defense? Thank God we have Wolf to explain it to us.

NURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

It just made the team go from GOAT to the 2008 Broncos.

BroncoLifer
08-15-2016, 11:18 AM
Sky ain't falling but if serious injury it's never good to lose DL that can play. It will suck if he's done for year.

Last year Broncos were fortunate to not have major injuries. Hope it's the same this year.

Ryan Clady, Jeff Heuerman, Ty Sambrailo and Peyton Manning all say hello.

maven
08-15-2016, 11:23 AM
I'll wait until the official report. Being carted off the field doesn't mean his season is done.

Drunk Monkey
08-15-2016, 11:25 AM
http://i.imgur.com/g3vmZ.gif


Run for your lives!!! This is just the start. We are all doomed!!!! Doomed I tells ya!!!!!

ludo21
08-15-2016, 11:44 AM
dang this sucks.

weak DL depth this year... hopefully we get a vet picked up

uplink
08-15-2016, 11:49 AM
The damn Cowboys and their ****ed up locker room wanted no part of him returning to the team. He scared his own teammates. That ain't the kind of dude you want in a championship locker room.

I think what ruined it for the Cowboys is that Jones saw Michael Irvin party it up and act recklessly off the field but then manage to function as an elite player. Irvin was a rare case of a guy who would party all night and then arrive early to practice the next day and outwork everyone at practice. Most players that party heavily can't function in the NFL though.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 11:51 AM
Ryan Clady, Jeff Heuerman, Ty Sambrailo and Peyton Manning all say hello.

All on offense.


If we're going to have injuries I'd rather it be offense since the defense is put in the position to carry the entire team again. Been fortunate so far but if injuries start to mount on the defense that's going to have a bigger effect on the end result than any QB starting

balero
08-15-2016, 11:53 AM
The Kansas City Chiefs fans are celebrating this injury as we speak.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 11:53 AM
I think what ruined it for the Cowboys is that Jones saw Michael Irvin party it up and act recklessly off the field but then manage to function as an elite player. Irvin was a rare case of a guy who would party all night and then arrive early to practice the next day and outwork everyone at practice. Most players that party heavily can't function in the NFL though.



Doing cocaine is one thing. Beating up a woman is another.

KapriBibbs4prez
08-15-2016, 12:05 PM
Ryan Clady, Jeff Heuerman, Ty Sambrailo and Peyton Manning all say hello.

True..but not one on defense, Manning was meh before injury.

Let me ask, You think our OL was good last year Or you think those injuries effected that unit?

Requiem
08-15-2016, 12:20 PM
Kapri Bibbs for JJ Watt -- straight up.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2016, 12:22 PM
Kapri Bibbs for JJ Watt -- straight up.

They're going to have to eat some cap also.

CEH
08-15-2016, 12:23 PM
The Kansas City Chiefs fans are celebrating this injury as we speak.

Another Chief who flourished in Denver with better coaching.

Was being counted on as a major contributor this year.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2016, 12:27 PM
Man am I glad I cancelled Sunday Ticket. I could handle losing a guy like Von, but Walker?!? Eff that.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 12:30 PM
Another day, another win/loss on the OM.

DENVERDUI55
08-15-2016, 12:36 PM
The Kansas City Chiefs fans are celebrating this injury as we speak.

When Denver signed him he was a no good bum and that is why KC cut him loose.

KapriBibbs4prez
08-15-2016, 12:40 PM
Kapri Bibbs for JJ Watt -- straight up.

I'd even throw in Shaq Barrett.

DHallblows
08-15-2016, 01:05 PM
I wasn't aware Vance Walker was the cog keeping this machine from breaking down to a sub .500 group...

Shananahan
08-15-2016, 01:17 PM
Well, now you are.

RIP

ZONA
08-15-2016, 01:21 PM
You guys realize Wolfe doesn't actually believe what he posts and is walking the Wolfe narrative on every incident?

He's definitely the drama queen of the Mane that's for sure.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2016, 01:33 PM
Rob "Mr Glass" Gronkowski injured himself yet again. He's no backup DLineman, but he might leave a tiny hole at TE.

http://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2016/08/15/rob-gronkowski-leaves-practice-injury

ZONA
08-15-2016, 01:41 PM
Rob "Mr Glass" Gronkowski injured himself yet again. He's no backup DLineman, but he might leave a tiny hole at TE.

http://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2016/08/15/rob-gronkowski-leaves-practice-injury

I don't know that he's glass. I don't know that he always injures himself. Usually it's guys torpedoing towards his knees. Some of the hits he's taken I can understand how the injuries happen. Are you going to suggest MMA fighters who bleed during fights aren't tough? That's what tends to happen when you get punched in the face, lol.

But I'm not complaining, if he sits the entire year that would be fine with me. But they do have Bennett who is pretty good so. I think Edleman also was injured a few weeks back, not sure how serious it was though.

bronco militia
08-15-2016, 01:43 PM
http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/community/fort-mill-times/fort-mill-times-sports/ft918y/picture60464336/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/Vance%20with%20the%20Lombardi%20Trophy

Kaylore
08-15-2016, 01:44 PM
Isn't Yarbrough playing OLB though?

He's listed as a DE. They do move him around, but then they move everyone around.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 01:45 PM
Would be a pretty big blow, but as some have said last year, we were pretty fortunate on the injury front on defense last year.

Such is life.

bronco militia
08-15-2016, 01:46 PM
thats ok. Malik Jackson looked good against the Bears. I could have sworn he signed somewhere else this offseason.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 01:46 PM
He's listed as a DE. They do move him around, but then they move everyone around.

They had him at Von's spot for most of his snaps with the third team defense in the Bears game IIRC. He kicked out into coverage several times. Cowboy.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 01:50 PM
Ryan Clady, Jeff Heuerman, Ty Sambrailo and Peyton Manning all say hello.

All on offense.

We had our entire starting 11 healthy in the playoffs, 12 including Roby.

Only Bruton was out on defense who was a key player.

Rare to have that happen two years in a row,w as talked about a few weeks ago.

orange skier
08-15-2016, 01:53 PM
Life before Vance: SB 50
Life after Vance: SB 51

fontaine
08-15-2016, 02:03 PM
Alex Carrington or Bowers.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2016, 02:04 PM
I don't know that he's glass. I don't know that he always injures himself.


He has not played a full NFL season since 2011. He has dealt with a number of injuries during his college and NFL careers, including back, elbow, and knee problems.



Usually it's guys torpedoing towards his knees. Some of the hits he's taken I can understand how the injuries happen.


How one gets injured is irrelevant. "Injury prone" means "prone to injury". He is that in spades.


Are you going to suggest MMA fighters who bleed during fights aren't tough? That's what tends to happen when you get punched in the face, lol.

Ummmm, what?!? Please show me where on earth I mentioned anything about toughness. You can be tough and get injured a lot. Injuries are not exactly a choice made by people who aren't tough.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 02:15 PM
I don't know that he's glass. I don't know that he always injures himself. Usually it's guys torpedoing towards his knees. Some of the hits he's taken I can understand how the injuries happen. Are you going to suggest MMA fighters who bleed during fights aren't tough? That's what tends to happen when you get punched in the face, lol.

But I'm not complaining, if he sits the entire year that would be fine with me. But they do have Bennett who is pretty good so. I think Edleman also was injured a few weeks back, not sure how serious it was though.



I think it's more along the lines of "go ahead and sit out the preseason to let that hammy heal up" scenario. Which means just shelving a critical player so he doesn't go down before week 1. Vons in mid season form id like them to limit him in TC/preseason too. Guarantees an Unleash of him week 1

Requiem
08-15-2016, 02:20 PM
Alex Carrington or Bowers.

Bowers is terrible and is chronically injured.

Doggcow
08-15-2016, 02:21 PM
lol, fanboys...

its all good until you realize all the extra resources Wade will have to commit to consistently stop the run.

its a fundamental problem...

you'll see.

Just like we saw last year huh

Doggcow
08-15-2016, 02:21 PM
Another day, another win/loss on the OM.

win/loss is my favorite thing on the om

wolf754life
08-15-2016, 02:24 PM
http://www.nfl.com/player/billywinn/2532976/profile

6'4, 300 lbs

lets hope he can stop the run, zero pass rush though, 3 career sacks...

When healthy, he has been an effective rotational run stopper also capable of sporadically pushing the pocket

I3IO_HAZARD
08-15-2016, 02:29 PM
Hopefully Gotsis and Crick can fill in if Walker is out.

Gutless Drunk
08-15-2016, 04:37 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Broncos announce Vance Walker tore his right ACL. Expected to miss the season.</p>&mdash; Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/765330979347058688">August 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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yerner
08-15-2016, 04:40 PM
some of your retarded mother****ers need to rewatch last season. vance walker was excellent. we just lost our starting end.

maggnus
08-15-2016, 04:44 PM
The 'next man up' mentality is in effect

Walker's injury will create opportunities for defensive ends

Action
08-15-2016, 04:47 PM
The 'next man up' mentality is in effect

Walker's injury will create opportunities for defensive ends

What other mentality is there?

eddie mac
08-15-2016, 04:47 PM
Huge blow this guy was a lock to start this season.

KipCorrington25
08-15-2016, 04:48 PM
The 'next man up' mentality is in effect

Walker's injury will create opportunities for defensive ends

Yah think? :thumbs:

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 04:50 PM
Pretty big blow, he was an unheralded player on the DL.

Filled in at NT, and both DE spots.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 04:54 PM
Was also in position for a big payday.

Maybe we can sign him to a 1-year deal after the year now.

balero
08-15-2016, 04:54 PM
The 'next man up' mentality is in effect

Walker's injury will create opportunities for defensive ends

"Next man up" is a Boss Queef cliche. Don't ever use that phrase again, puto.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 04:54 PM
Easy, balero. We don't fight amongst ourselves unless there is good reason to.

Aztec Bronco
08-15-2016, 04:56 PM
This probably affects Gotsis more than anyone. He was probably going to get something like 15-20% of snaps, now it'll be more like 30-35%.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2016, 04:59 PM
****....ACL. Crick will start now. Winn is crap and White Toviessi prolly not ready to contribute heavily despite a promising showing against CHI.

Need to sign or trade for a decent 3-4 DE.

pricejj
08-15-2016, 05:00 PM
Dammit. That's a huge loss.

yerner
08-15-2016, 05:01 PM
We've lost Smith, Jackson, Walker on the dline. Who else? That's the depth that made us so good. Right now, we got ****.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:01 PM
Need to sign or trade for a decent 3-4 DE.

Who did you have in mind, SoCal?

Nkemdiche?

SoCalBronco
08-15-2016, 05:09 PM
Who did you have in mind, SoCal?

Nkemdiche?

I want my savage. :(

/Actually as it turns out, price was probably right that Lynch was the better long term move due to not having to pay QB level salary at the same time Von was being paid plus Lynch being an especially good system fit and seemingly showing much better than Goff or Wentz as well. Good call, price.

Nonetheless, we now need to find a savage or at least a decent DE. I'm not sure what we can get. We do have alot of picks to trade, tho.

Aztec Bronco
08-15-2016, 05:10 PM
Have to imagine they'll at least make a call to Antonio Smith. Doesn't sound like he had any plans to come back, but worth a call. Doesn't need to be coached up, just needs to be in shape.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 05:10 PM
We've lost Smith, Jackson, Walker on the dline. Who else? That's the depth that made us so good. Right now, we got ****.

Last year we had Smith, Jackson, Wolfe, Sly, Walker.

Now we have Gotsis, Sly, Wolfe, Crick, Kilgo.

Dont have as good of depth but its not ****.

qbronco
08-15-2016, 05:10 PM
I was looking at the free agent DEs still available. Slim pickings for sure. May have to restock via the waiver wire.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:11 PM
Stormfront here to save the day.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ex7daf.jpg

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 05:12 PM
We've lost Smith, Jackson, Walker on the dline. Who else? That's the depth that made us so good. Right now, we got ****.

Wade Phillips will have to coach up some kids.


This is a huge loss for a team who's solely relying on the defense to carry an entire team. Cannot afford too many more injuries to this defense before week 1. It would be easier to absorb D injuries if the offense picks up some slack. But every position on the Defense has a bigger impact this year. Need to stay healthy.



I'm ready to see Gotsis throw bodies all over the ground.

bronco militia
08-15-2016, 05:14 PM
Stormfront here to save the day.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ex7daf.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111216631/4542678-0746412858-iDuEC.gif

SoCalBronco
08-15-2016, 05:14 PM
Stormfront here to save the day.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ex7daf.jpg

Too many white DEs.

Trouble ahead.













/That'sracist.gif

go_broncos
08-15-2016, 05:15 PM
This is what happens..too much dependency on defense..wish we had some offense to cover these type of injuries.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:15 PM
things were getting tense up in here bronco militia.

once balero startred throwing fists the madNEss had tobe stoppED!

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 05:17 PM
Remember when Jason Whitlock accused the patriots of being racist due to all the white players?


Being all white up front will cause some hate! They need to get Token from South Park on the phone to fill in a DL spot.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:18 PM
I'm ready to see Gotsis throw bodies all over the ground.

Literally the best quote of the off-season from someone not named Wade Phillips. Makes me excited about Gotsis.

yerner
08-15-2016, 05:18 PM
Last year we had Smith, Jackson, Wolfe, Sly, Walker.

Now we have Gotsis, Sly, Wolfe, Crick, Kilgo.

Dont have as good of depth but its not ****.

Gotsis, Crick, Kilgo ? It's all projection. They can't hold Smiths, Jackson, Walkers jocks.

I'm not a chicken little. But this isn't the same defense. It's a step down. These aren't just names. They're real players.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:19 PM
Remember when Jason Whitlock accused the patriots of being racist due to all the white players?

he did? that's dumb!!!!

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:20 PM
Give Randy Starks one more shot at glory.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:22 PM
Seriously Randy Starks.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 05:25 PM
Gotsis, Crick, Kilgo ? It's all projection. They can't hold Smiths, Jackson, Walkers jocks.

I'm not a chicken little. But this isn't the same defense. It's a step down. These aren't just names. They're real players.

Jackson is a huge loss, obviously. As is Walker.

Smith is more than replaceable.

Not saying the DL is AS good but its still a solid group.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2016, 05:26 PM
Starks is like 50, Req. Smith needs to be signed at once and they need to flip a 5th or something for a good run defending DE.

elsid13
08-15-2016, 05:29 PM
Time to start hoping a solid vet gets cut due to rookie or young player.

elsid13
08-15-2016, 05:30 PM
Starks is like 50, Req. Smith needs to be signed at once and they need to flip a 5th or something for a good run defending DE.

Starks is younger then Smith.

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 05:34 PM
Time to start hoping a solid vet gets cut due to rookie or young player.

It will happen i'm sure, just a matter of when.

Requiem
08-15-2016, 05:36 PM
Starks is like 50, Req. Smith needs to be signed at once and they need to flip a 5th or something for a good run defending DE.

Starks is 32 and has been productive. He isn't terrible against the run and can rush the passer.

elsid13
08-15-2016, 05:39 PM
evidently Glenn Dorsey is on the bubble. Maybe worth late rounder

USMCBladerunner
08-15-2016, 05:39 PM
Remember when Jason Whitlock accused the patriots of being racist due to all the white players?


Being all white up front will cause some hate! They need to get Token from South Park on the phone to fill in a DL spot.

DLSOWHITE!

Gutless Drunk
08-15-2016, 05:40 PM
From today Chris Canty still wants to play -

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PODCAST: NFL free agent <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisCanty99">@ChrisCanty99</a> joined us to discuss which teams he has his eye on and how he got into TV! <a href="https://t.co/NEqOIOUFXu">https://t.co/NEqOIOUFXu</a></p>&mdash; UNPACKIN' it (@UNPACKINIT) <a href="https://twitter.com/UNPACKINIT/status/765268076141113344">August 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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elsid13
08-15-2016, 05:41 PM
I know its a pipe dream but what Jet's Sheldon Richardson.....

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-15-2016, 05:48 PM
he did? that's dumb!!!!



It was funny. He backtracked into blaming the Chad Johnson hip hop culture and used the Colts and Patriots examples of successful organizations at the time who happened to be the whitest. Ha! He said the hip hop culture was ruining football to smooth things out.

Whitlock was a time bomb back then. I trolled his comments page on his Fox articles to the point where he mentioned my screen name in an article. "you hear that DrunkenB?" Ha!

fontaine
08-15-2016, 05:49 PM
Screw it. Bring in Greg Hardy.

USMCBladerunner
08-15-2016, 05:55 PM
Interior DL is getting roughed up badly. Elway will be bringing in someone soon.

BroncoFox
08-15-2016, 05:56 PM
I don't know why people act as if he is out for a while, that he is being replaced with like, a gopher or something. There will actually be an NFL player there.. a pretty good one.. and it's not as if opposing teams will now run every down, and run every down at that one guy. Team will be fine. We dominated with our 3rd stringers in. We have loads of depth. One guy.. or even two guys out won't end the season.. or mean we would go from 12-4 to 7-9.. that's ridiculous. Other than possibly the QB, no one player has THAT much an impact that make the team lose multiple games.

Heck.. even Schofield didn't manage to do it. If he couldn't, no one else can!

LikeABoss5820
08-15-2016, 05:58 PM
Interior DL is getting roughed up badly. Elway will be bringing in someone soon.

Was hopeful for Phil Taylor but has always had knee problems.

Anunike i've never been a fan of, hes never healthy.

Walker is a pretty big loss though, need a veteran DL badly now.

jutang
08-15-2016, 06:00 PM
Let's get Jared Allen out of retirement

Aztec Bronco
08-15-2016, 06:02 PM
I know its a pipe dream but what Jet's Sheldon Richardson.....
That would be amazing. Amazing. Would be the biggest "**** you" to everyone clowning on the Broncos' offseason, I wouldn't even care if we re-signed him in 2018. Damn you for making me even think about it...

Fitzy47
08-15-2016, 06:05 PM
This totally sucks. We can't already be having injuries like this.

BroncosfanGuy
08-15-2016, 06:06 PM
bring back Keith Traylor

DENVERDUI55
08-15-2016, 06:06 PM
There will be some scrap heap retreads to sign over the next few weeks.

Aztec Bronco
08-15-2016, 06:07 PM
Usually, there are a few pretty decent cap casualty guys that come available close to the regular season.

Fitzy47
08-15-2016, 06:09 PM
I know its a pipe dream but what Jet's Sheldon Richardson.....

We are invested in Lynch being our QBOTF, we have most of the defense and offense already signed long term (Sanders still needs to get done), why not send some draft picks over? It would be worth a shot.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-15-2016, 06:24 PM
There will be some scrap heap retreads to sign over the next few weeks.

At first glance, I read "retreads" as something else.

UberBroncoMan
08-15-2016, 07:50 PM
This was Vance Walker's contract year. If he was everything that people were talking about in camp, we probably weren't going to have him next year. So if there's a silver lining for the team but not for Vance, we'll probably get him for cheap next year.

yerner
08-15-2016, 07:50 PM
Sanchez and Hillman for Robert Nkemdiche?

BroncosfanGuy
08-15-2016, 08:01 PM
Sanchez and Hillman for Robert Nkemdiche?

yeah right. Cards would eed to throw in Larry Fitzgerald to even that trade up.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2016, 08:03 PM
Sanchez and Hillman for Robert Nkemdiche?

Lol. It will take a lot more than that to get that savage.

bowtown
08-15-2016, 08:17 PM
This totally sucks. We can't already be having injuries like this.

Happens every year. No idea why anyone is surprised by it. Just be thankful it wasn't one of our defensive stars.

retro
08-15-2016, 10:48 PM
Bad news. Always hurts to get hit at the same spot in FA (jackson) then lose a player you expected to play a lot at that spot.

Oh well that's the NFL. If that is the worst injury we get in preseason we will consider it lucky.

Punisher
08-15-2016, 10:58 PM
This hurts a lot but The Duke will figure something out.

jmz313
08-16-2016, 06:08 AM
This hurts a lot but The Duke will figure something out.

Wade's got this either way.

Hamrob
08-16-2016, 06:10 AM
He's listed as a DE. They do move him around, but then they move everyone around.Yarbrough is a DE. He's only like 258lbs or 260lbs. He'd play DE in a 4-3 but not in a 3-4. In a 3-4 we can use our backup NT's at DE and be fine. DE's in a 4-3 are typically at least 280lbs to 300lbs. The Broncos will rotate their guys and be just fine. They'll still pick somebody up to fill the hole.

Hamrob
08-16-2016, 06:12 AM
One thing I read that concerned me....was Gotsis wearing a full brace in camp...whereas he wasn't doing that previously. Seems like his knee was sore after the Bears game. Fingers crossed he can hold up the entire season. Typically guys are only so-so, first year back for knee surgery and then full go the 2nd year.

Hamrob
08-16-2016, 06:14 AM
There will be some guys on the waiver wire here in a couple weeks that are similar in talent to Walker. Teams will cut a vet to save on the cap when they have plenty of young talent or they'll try to get a kid the PS.

Bronc0guy
08-16-2016, 08:08 AM
Screw it. Bring in Greg Hardy.

Would be fine with me. He's a POS but if it helps bring another SB win then so be it.

maven
08-16-2016, 08:24 AM
Stormfront here to save the day.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ex7daf.jpg

That's a lot of hard working, high motor, great teammate, practices hard, all around great person DL for sure.

fontaine
08-16-2016, 08:36 AM
Would be fine with me. He's a POS but if it helps bring another SB win then so be it.

Yeah, I just look at it from the point of view that we have the kind of locker room that was able to handle Talib's drama, TJ Ward with his incident last year that got him suspended, Antonio Smith, Shane Ray leading up to the draft.

Let's not pretend this locker room is full of saints. Still though it's high risk high reward and Hardy can play a 5 Tech DE in a 3-4 and we switch to a 4-3 at times as well.

uplink
08-16-2016, 09:42 AM
Is it out of the realm of possibility that Annuke could come back at the end of training camp and resign or is it completely done for him?

Requiem
08-16-2016, 09:54 AM
Possible, but I doubt it. Dude has had 6-7 knee operations. Damaged goodies.

Bigdawg26
08-16-2016, 10:05 AM
That's a lot of hard working, high motor, great teammate, practices hard, all around great person DL for sure.

They look like real students of the game!

Broncobiv
08-16-2016, 10:22 AM
That's a lot of hard working, high motor, great teammate, practices hard, all around great person DL for sure.
They look like real students of the game!

They're the type of guy I'd want to marry my daughter.

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 10:42 AM
evidently Glenn Dorsey is on the bubble. Maybe worth late rounder

So replace 2016 ACL guy with 2015 San Fran ACL guy. Interesting...it could work.

Requiem
08-16-2016, 10:51 AM
Sign Scribe to a 1-year deal and he can sack Trevor.

Rocket 7
08-16-2016, 10:56 AM
Remember when Jason Whitlock accused the patriots of being racist due to all the white players?


Being all white up front will cause some hate! They need to get Token from South Park on the phone to fill in a DL spot.

Whitlock must have hated the Broncos offensive line also

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/sasasa_zpsokbzmyxx.jpg

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 10:58 AM
Sign Scribe to a 1-year deal and he can sack Trevor.

I'm your huckleberry.

http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bernard-pollard.jpg

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 11:09 AM
Sign Scribe to a 1-year deal and he can sack Trevor.

I could see Scribe hitting him low or late or both......and then ****ing Siemians wife to boot. As I understand it, Scribe enjoys making cucks out of married guys.

#BeCarefulTrevor

#CuckMaker

#ScribeMemes

Bronc0guy
08-16-2016, 11:24 AM
I try to be one of the more optimistic people on this board, but this injury really does concern me. Our depth up front is suffering and I think we are going to see a big drop off with that unit this season. Walker played very well last year and I'm not sure that many people realized it. Think kubes and co were really counting on him this year.

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 11:26 AM
I try to be one of the more optimistic people on this board, but this injury really does concern me. Our depth up front is suffering and I think we are going to see a big drop off with that unit this season. Walker played very well last year and I'm not sure that many people realized it. Think kubes and co were really counting on him this year.

They need to flip a midround pick for a good run defending DE.

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 11:40 AM
I could see Scribe hitting him low or late or both......and then ****ing Siemians wife to boot. As I understand it, Scribe enjoys making cucks out of married guys.

#BeCarefulTrevor

#CuckMaker

#ScribeMemes

Low or late? You give me far too much credit. I'd hit him in the head first and give him a concussion, then i'd hit him in the knee and crush him knee cap and tear his ACL, MCL and PCL in the process.

I don't do married women so that would not happen. I leave that to Peyton Hillis. :giggle:

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 11:43 AM
Low or late? You give me far too much credit. I'd hit him in the head first and give him a concussion, then i'd hit him in the knee and crush him knee cap and tear his ACL, MCL and PCL in the process.

I don't do married women so that would not happen. I leave that to Peyton Hillis. :giggle:

Lol. You're not fooling anyone, buddy. I know that underneath that prim and proper puritan exterior lies a straight up heel. You've ****ed every bitch in that pharmacy.

"A ring ain't nothing but a piece of jewelry"
-@SAVAGEScribe

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 11:45 AM
Lol. You're not fooling anyone, buddy. I know that underneath that prim and proper puritan exterior lies a straight up heel. You've ****ed every b**** in that pharmacy.

"A ring ain't nothing but a piece of jewelry"
-@SAVAGEScribe

I would never do that as I would not want it done to me.

Now...a girl friend however...that's different. If there is no ring, there is no rules. :)

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 11:45 AM
MHR with some speculation that Sly might move to end and put Kilgo at NT, with Crick and Gotsis remaining backups.

It's an interesting idea. Not sure Kilgo is ready for that assignment. Since he's just a run stuffer, I'm assuming they'd have him two gap and the rest of the front one gap.

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 11:46 AM
I would never do that as I would not want it done to me.

Now...a girl friend however...that's different. If there is no ring, there is no rules. :)

Scribe goin all savage!

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 11:47 AM
MHR with some speculation that Sly might move to end and put Kilgo at NT, with Crick and Gotsis remaining backups.

It's an interesting idea. Not sure Kilgo is ready for that assignment. Since he's just a run stuffer, I'm assuming they'd have him two gap and the rest of the front one gap.

Sly as a DE? I know he can get some push but that would be interesting to watch. Not sure he is quick enough to play primarily 3-4 end.

Then again, this is Wade mother****ing Phillips.

IndelibleScribe
08-16-2016, 11:49 AM
Scribe goin all savage!

Naw, savage is some of my friend's and co-worker's motto.
"If their man would take care of his business, I wouldn't have to step in and handle it for him."


I remained stunned that one of them has not been shot or stabbed yet. It makes me seriously wonder how dumb the significant others are or if they just have no ****ing balls.

Drunk Monkey
08-16-2016, 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by maven View Post
That's a lot of hard working, high motor, great teammate, practices hard, all around great person DL for sure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdawg26 View Post
They look like real students of the game!


They're the type of guy I'd want to marry my daughter.

They're are the type of guys who are going to give you 110% on every down.

BroncoBeavis
08-16-2016, 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by maven View Post
That's a lot of hard working, high motor, great teammate, practices hard, all around great person DL for sure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdawg26 View Post
They look like real students of the game!




They're are the type of guys who are going to give you 110% on every down.

Hopefully not around my daughter.

fontaine
08-16-2016, 12:15 PM
MHR with some speculation that Sly might move to end and put Kilgo at NT, with Crick and Gotsis remaining backups.

It's an interesting idea. Not sure Kilgo is ready for that assignment. Since he's just a run stuffer, I'm assuming they'd have him two gap and the rest of the front one gap.

We already did that last year for run downs in the first four games with Wolfe out (Kilgo at NT/Sly at DE).

The question really is who's going to rush the QB at DE on nicked/dime? Crick is really just a run stuffer.

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 12:21 PM
We already did that last year for run downs in the first four games with Wolfe out (Kilgo at NT/Sly at DE).

The question really is who's going to rush the QB at DE on nicked/dime? Crick is really just a run stuffer.

Nickel/Dime should be 4-2-5 with Ward playing a box role with Marshall and the secondary being Talib/Roby on the outside, Harris in the slot, with Stewart and Simmons on the hashes.

Von and Ware/Ray at End, Sly (1 tech) and Methwolfe (3 tech) inside

pricejj
08-16-2016, 12:24 PM
MHR with some speculation that Sly might move to end and put Kilgo at NT, with Crick and Gotsis remaining backups.

It's an interesting idea. Not sure Kilgo is ready for that assignment. Since he's just a run stuffer, I'm assuming they'd have him two gap and the rest of the front one gap.

This would be the best case scenario. Kilgo/Peko can hold down NT in Wade's system. Sly would probably be a better fit at 3-tech anyway.

Kaylore
08-16-2016, 01:15 PM
I could see Scribe hitting him low or late or both......and then ****ing Siemians wife to boot. As I understand it, Scribe enjoys making cucks out of married guys.

#BeCarefulTrevor

#CuckMaker

#ScribeMemes

https://media.giphy.com/media/NLbivNFUwhoTm/giphy.gif

Requiem
08-16-2016, 01:32 PM
Hi Kayloe!!!

ZONA
08-16-2016, 03:04 PM
Starks is like 50, Req. Smith needs to be signed at once and they need to flip a 5th or something for a good run defending DE.

I absolutely disagree. Crick is more then qualified to stuff the run. It's what he does best. And let's not forget, Crick's ability to push on passing downs will only be enhanced with the likes of Miller and Ware on the outside. Obviously he's not as good as Jackson was but he's not that far behind him.

Sometimes you need to let people step up. You can't always tuck your tail between your legs and make stupid decisions like giving away picks when you might very well have somebody on your team that can step up and do the job. Now if somebody isn't stepping up by 4th game or so, then you make that choice to possibly depart with a pick or make a trade. Right now, it's way too early. The Broncos don't need to go into panic mode.

Bronc0guy
08-16-2016, 03:22 PM
They need to flip a midround pick for a good run defending DE.

You like savages, right? Well the ultimate savage is out there, waiting on a one year deal.

SoCalBronco
08-16-2016, 03:30 PM
You like savages, right? Well the ultimate savage is out there, waiting on a one year deal.

Hardy? I thought he was too light for 3-4 DE...although DUI said it might work in a 1 gap system like ours. I'm not sure tho. Walker played a run stuffing role for us.

bowtown
08-16-2016, 03:48 PM
I don't want that POS Hardy on our team.

theAPAOps5
08-16-2016, 03:50 PM
I don't want that POS Hardy on our team.

This

Requiem
08-16-2016, 04:18 PM
I disagree with Zona about a trade. If considering it, do it now so the player can get acclimated to the system and be ready to go when it matters. No more Vernon Davis trades.

elsid13
08-16-2016, 05:26 PM
I disagree with Zona about a trade. If considering it, do it now so the player can get acclimated to the system and be ready to go when it matters. No more Vernon Davis trades.

You're right. If they are going to make move, they should make it now to ensure the player knows the system and get chemistry with the team.

DENVERDUI55
08-16-2016, 09:06 PM
You're right. If they are going to make move, they should make it now to ensure the player knows the system and get chemistry with the team.

In two weeks there will be several players Denver can get to eat up some snaps there. Just need a fat slob to play paddy cake and defend the run.

yerner
08-16-2016, 09:55 PM
Is Sly Williams any good?

People talk **** about Latimer and Hillman, and Williams is acutally first rounder that does nothing.

ZONA
08-16-2016, 09:56 PM
I disagree with Zona about a trade. If considering it, do it now so the player can get acclimated to the system and be ready to go when it matters. No more Vernon Davis trades.

I would tend to agree with you if Walker was starter material. But he's not so I believe the FO values their picks, even the mid to late picks. If you start giving those away in trades to replace back up players, you're organization is in a world of hurt. Think about it for a second. We're talking about replacing Vance Walker here. We can find somebody being cut from another team to replace him. There's no way the Broncos are considering a trade with anybody involving one of their picks to replace Vance Walker. That I'm pretty confident in saying. You don't really want to trade away your picks if you can help it. You never know who's going to be the next Jackson, Trevathan, Paradis or Bruton. These picks can turn into gold sometimes so you have to try and keep them. How do you think Walker got here in the 1st place, we picked him up from the trash bin. The Broncos will do it again. No need to panic. He's only been in the league for 4 years and has been cut 3 times. It's not like we lost a huge cog. He can definitely be replaced. Crick can more then fill that role. We still have Williams, Wolf and I think Gotsis is going to be a solid rotation player this year.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-16-2016, 10:01 PM
Did some people not watch Vance Walker filling in for Wolfe when he was suspended? Those 1st 4 games he filled in he was the 16th best 3-4 DE in football. Seems like some of this fanbase underestimates his impact. I credit that to Wade Phillips too.


Thank God we have Wade.

ZONA
08-16-2016, 10:07 PM
Did some people not watch Vance Walker filling in for Wolfe when he was suspended? Those 1st 4 games he filled in he was the 16th best 3-4 DE in football. Seems like some of this fanbase underestimates his impact. I credit that to Wade Phillips too.


Thank God we have Wade.


Yeah we saw him. That's kinda what happens when you fill a role on the best defense in the league. Wade definitely had a huge impact as well the fact there were a few guys on the outside that really helps. The Broncos didn't give Crick 4M because they thought he was going to be a back up. The brought him in to compete for the starting job. Nobody is saying Walker wasn't playing well. But the notion of some people suggesting we need to part ways with a pick while there's still 3 weeks before the season even starts sounds like panic to me.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-16-2016, 10:10 PM
Yeah we saw him. That's kinda what happens when you fill a role on the best defense in the league. Wade definitely had a huge impact as well the fact there were a few guys on the outside that really helps. The Broncos didn't give Crick 4M because they thought he was going to be a back up. The brought him in to compete for the starting job. Nobody is saying Walker wasn't playing well. But the notion of some people suggesting we need to part ways with a pick while there's still 3 weeks before the season even starts sounds like panic to me.


Gotsis gots it.

Guess Who
08-16-2016, 10:16 PM
Remember when Jason Whitlock accused the patriots of being racist due to all the white players?


Being all white up front will cause some hate! They need to get Token from South Park on the phone to fill in a DL spot.

I broke down the Pats and Colts teams and how white they were and I was also called a racist

DENVERDUI55
08-16-2016, 10:20 PM
Billy Winn may be out another SWA ticket to Denver.

Guess Who
08-16-2016, 10:23 PM
Is Sly Williams any good?

People talk **** about Latimer and Hillman, and Williams is acutally first rounder that does nothing.

Really you don't watch much footbal do you? Sly was solid last year . He was the starting NT on the best defensive team in the nfl that also won the SB.

Aztec Bronco
08-16-2016, 10:26 PM
Is Sly Williams any good?

People talk **** about Latimer and Hillman, and Williams is acutally first rounder that does nothing.
He's an okay player. I don't consider him a liability in any area, but he's not really much of an asset anywhere either. He does have a really nice spin move for a man his size that flashes every once in a while, but he's rarely a huge factor. He did play the game of his life in the Super Bowl. On a bad team, you could probably call him a bad pick because his average play would be more exposed around inferior talent. The fact that he's surrounded by so much talent and doesn't do anything to negatively affect the group as a whole, I can't complain too much. He'll walk after this year and hopefully net us a late comp pick. Overall, Sly is fine. That's not a hit, but I don't think it's a miss either.

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 12:12 AM
Is Sly Williams any good?

People talk **** about Latimer and Hillman, and Williams is acutally first rounder that does nothing.

Sly is solid, he may not be worth picking up the option on but he is a solid contributor.

ZONA
08-17-2016, 01:05 AM
He's an okay player. I don't consider him a liability in any area, but he's not really much of an asset anywhere either. He does have a really nice spin move for a man his size that flashes every once in a while, but he's rarely a huge factor. He did play the game of his life in the Super Bowl. On a bad team, you could probably call him a bad pick because his average play would be more exposed around inferior talent. The fact that he's surrounded by so much talent and doesn't do anything to negatively affect the group as a whole, I can't complain too much. He'll walk after this year and hopefully net us a late comp pick. Overall, Sly is fine. That's not a hit, but I don't think it's a miss either.

Agreed.

LongDongJohnson
08-17-2016, 03:23 AM
Sly is in a contract year. Hopefully he balls out trying to get that new contract

maven
08-17-2016, 06:07 AM
No more Vernon Davis trades.

Why not? He had a lot of opportunities to capitalize and make big plays. He just didn't come through for Denver.

Requiem
08-17-2016, 06:52 AM
Why not? He had a lot of opportunities to capitalize and make big plays. He just didn't come through for Denver.

His positive impact on the team was non-existent because he came into the fray in the middle of the season (November) and was slow to pick up on a complex offense and in all actuality, didn't see a whole lot of snaps on the field. Denver gave up two sixth-round selections (2016 and 2017 - IIRC) for a half-year rental that didn't produce.

If Denver opts to make a trade for a DL, it would be in their best interest to do it sooner than later so he can get exposed to the team's philosophy, playbook and everything else that goes along with being a Bronco. Just my thoughs, Mavey.

USMCBladerunner
08-17-2016, 07:07 AM
His positive impact on the team was non-existent because he came into the fray in the middle of the season (November) and was slow to pick up on a complex offense and in all actuality, didn't see a whole lot of snaps on the field. Denver gave up two sixth-round selections (2016 and 2017 - IIRC) for a half-year rental that didn't produce.

If Denver opts to make a trade for a DL, it would be in their best interest to do it sooner than later so he can get exposed to the team's philosophy, playbook and everything else that goes along with being a Bronco. Just my thoughs, Mavey.

No. His positive impact became nonexistent because he gator armed a critical pass for self protection against the Raiders with the game on the line. Up to that point, he was productive in the run game and getting a few shots in the pass game as well. After that he was dead to the coaches.

Beantown Bronco
08-17-2016, 08:00 AM
Those 1st 4 games he filled in he was the 16th best 3-4 DE in football. Seems like some of this fanbase underestimates his impact.

1. Please provide the criteria for that ranking.

2. 16th best 3-4 DE in football, by definition, means league average.....at best. There are probably less than 30 or so actual 3-4 DEs in football.

Requiem
08-17-2016, 08:06 AM
No. His positive impact became nonexistent because he gator armed a critical pass for self protection against the Raiders with the game on the line. Up to that point, he was productive in the run game and getting a few shots in the pass game as well. After that he was dead to the coaches.

Feel free to look at quotes from the coaches and Vernon himself talking about his struggles because of him not knowing the system, the playbook, etc. Nothing I said was false, but as you mentioned, his drops didn't help much.

He had two good games, albeit no touchdowns, against the Bears and Raiders. Outside of those games, he had ~ 7 catches for 60 yards.

Vernon was added because they thought he could contribute and stretch the team field vertically for the team, not his blocking prowess (though he wasn't bad in that regard).

We may have won a Super Bowl, but two sixth-round selections for the mediocrity (if that) we received from him wasn't worth it in the end.

If Denver wants to trade for a player, the sooner the better, for the reasons I had mentioned. I stand by that.

ZONA
08-17-2016, 11:17 AM
Feel free to look at quotes from the coaches and Vernon himself talking about his struggles because of him not knowing the system, the playbook, etc. Nothing I said was false, but as you mentioned, his drops didn't help much.

He had two good games, albeit no touchdowns, against the Bears and Raiders. Outside of those games, he had ~ 7 catches for 60 yards.

Vernon was added because they thought he could contribute and stretch the team field vertically for the team, not his blocking prowess (though he wasn't bad in that regard).

We may have won a Super Bowl, but two sixth-round selections for the mediocrity (if that) we received from him wasn't worth it in the end.

If Denver wants to trade for a player, the sooner the better, for the reasons I had mentioned. I stand by that.

You said finished saying the picks we gave up for Davis wasn't worth it. It's not all because the trade happened so late. He was playing decent. He totally pussed out on that catch and alligator armed it and the QB's had a hard time wanting to go back him after that. None the less, a trade that didn't work out and lost picks for us. Now let's talk about the defense, which is the best defense in the NFL. Vance Walker was only listed as the starter because we lost Jackson. He has become a solid player but he's nothing that is worth trading a pick to replace. That's the simple truth. Our sacks don't really come from the DE position anyway. It's nice if they can get solid pressure but mostly we used them to shut down the run, leaving our LB's and blitzers to hit the QB and get sacks. We have the players do do that.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-17-2016, 11:39 AM
1. Please provide the criteria for that ranking.

2. 16th best 3-4 DE in football, by definition, means league average.....at best. There are probably less than 30 or so actual 3-4 DEs in football.



Top 10 best FA value signings through week 4: Vance ranked 9



https://www.profootballfocus.com/top-10-free-agent-signings-through-week-4/


He was a good starter in place of Wolfe and will be missed.

Shattuck
08-17-2016, 11:40 AM
Why not? He had a lot of opportunities to capitalize and make big plays. He just didn't come through for Denver.

Davis was never the same after the huge hit he took from Chancellor.

Beantown Bronco
08-17-2016, 11:48 AM
Top 10 best FA value signings through week 4: Vance ranked 9



https://www.profootballfocus.com/top-10-free-agent-signings-through-week-4/


He was a good starter in place of Wolfe and will be missed.

Thanks. That's still a middle of the pack ranking, based of the # of 3-4 DEs in the league.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-17-2016, 11:51 AM
Thanks. That's still a middle of the pack ranking, based of the # of 3-4 DEs in the league.



Right now middle of the pack is our best. The depth is stretching. I'm hoping Gotsis is the man to make the surprise impact. Every year it seems someone steps up we don't expect.

Wes Mantooth
08-17-2016, 11:57 AM
1. Please provide the criteria for that ranking.

2. 16th best 3-4 DE in football, by definition, means league average.....at best. There are probably less than 30 or so actual 3-4 DEs in football.

Technically isn't that the top 25% given every team starts two DE's?

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2016, 11:58 AM
What is Engelberger doing these days?

Beantown Bronco
08-17-2016, 12:02 PM
Technically isn't that the top 25% given every team starts two DE's?

Nope. It's specifically a ranking of 3-4 DEs. Doesn't include the teams that run primarily 4-3 defenses, which is at least half.

ZONA
08-17-2016, 12:04 PM
Somebody will get cut from another team that we'll pick up and they'll provide good depth since they will be lined up along with major studs. Same thing we did last year. Walker was a nobody until he hit the field for us. Why do you think that is? He was cut 3 times in 4 years and then he lines up for us and he looks solid. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

SoCalBronco
08-17-2016, 12:06 PM
What is Engelberger doing these days?

We need more lunch pail hardhat guys. Plus he has a room named after him.

Git R Done, John.

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 12:12 PM
Somebody will get cut from another team that we'll pick up and they'll provide good depth since they will be lined up along with major studs. Same thing we did last year. Walker was a nobody until he hit the field for us. Why do you think that is? He was cut 3 times in 4 years and then he lines up for us and he looks solid. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Not entirely accurate but close enough. Walker was considered to be a solid player when he signed here.
Now he was overpaid when the Chiefs signed him and he did not live up to the promise of his contract.

Fitzy47
08-17-2016, 12:22 PM
We may have won a Super Bowl, but two sixth-round selections for the mediocrity (if that) we received from him wasn't worth it in the end.


You forgot we got back the 49ers 2016 7th round pick, so it was really the equivalent of us moving back 6 or so spaces in 2016. We essentially traded this year's 6th for him. Not taking away from any of your points - I agree a trade sooner is probably better than later. But regarding the Vernon deal, we didn't lose much.

DHallblows
08-17-2016, 12:24 PM
Nope not this time...

This is terrible news....

Their goes the integrity of the defense, without walker, crick gets worn down, gotsis is not ready

this defense won't be able to stop the run

wolf will get doubled everytime...

7 and 9 on the way....

terrible news...

So what's the prognosis now that Wolfe has an ankle injury? -1 and 17?

SoCalBronco
08-17-2016, 12:26 PM
So what's the prognosis now that Wolfe has an ankle injury? -1 and 17?

The Lions dubious record is now being threatened.

DEN O/U now at straight zero.

I'm taking the under, the payoff is too good at -275

uplink
08-17-2016, 12:31 PM
Taylor, Annukie, Walker gone and now Wolfe injured from the DE corps

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 12:34 PM
I love Lynch but damn...how sexy would Nkemdiche look on our DL right now?

DHallblows
08-17-2016, 12:39 PM
The Lions dubious record is now being threatened.

DEN O/U now at straight zero.

I'm taking the under, the payoff is too good at -275

I only got -225 when I locked mine in! :vermeil:

Requiem
08-17-2016, 01:01 PM
He was playing decent. He totally pussed out on that catch and alligator armed it and the QB's had a hard time wanting to go back him after that.

I guess you and I have a different definition of decent. Getting 80% of your statistical output in two games (Raiders, Bears) out of the 10 or so he had with the team doesn't meet even come close to being decent. That's what happens when you come to a new team in November, don't know the system and **** the bed when they throw you out there to try and perform.

That's why I said if they did feel the need to trade for a player, I'd rather see it done sooner than later so that target won't be behind in terms of playbook, philosophy, etc. Get them caught up to speed, get them ready for Week 1.

I don't see why that's controversial.

broncocalijohn
08-17-2016, 02:10 PM
I guess you and I have a different definition of decent. Getting 80% of your statistical output in two games (Raiders, Bears) out of the 10 or so he had with the team doesn't meet even come close to being decent. That's what happens when you come to a new team in November, don't know the system and **** the bed when they throw you out there to try and perform.

That's why I said if they did feel the need to trade for a player, I'd rather see it done sooner than later so that target won't be behind in terms of playbook, philosophy, etc. Get them caught up to speed, get them ready for Week 1.

I don't see why that's controversial.

I think it is controversial that someone is sticking up for Davis. He stunk for what he got paid. Daniels flying all over the field and knowing he would get hammered inside the 10 and Davis having alligator arms attached to his shoulders for an important game.

SoCalBronco
08-17-2016, 02:49 PM
I love Lynch but damn...how sexy would Nkemdiche look on our DL right now?

I want a Red Panther Savage opposite Methwolfe. :(

/Price was right that Lynch was the better choice all things considered tho

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 03:05 PM
I want a Red Panther Savage opposite Methwolfe. :(

/Price was right that Lynch was the better choice all things considered tho

I agree that Lynch was the best pick, doesn't stop my lust for the Red Panther.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2016, 03:11 PM
Red Panther is on the shelf.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2016, 03:51 PM
Denver really needs to take a look at signing Henry Melton. He would fit the role perfectly and wouldn't cost too much.

yerner
08-17-2016, 04:16 PM
Denver really needs to take a look at signing Henry Melton. He would fit the role perfectly and wouldn't cost too much.

I'd like to see Melton and Canty actually. Replace Antonio Smith and Walker. That rotation last season was crucial. I just don't have faith in Kilgo, Peko, and Gotsis. That's a big drop off in experience.

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 04:43 PM
Denver really needs to take a look at signing Henry Melton. He would fit the role perfectly and wouldn't cost too much.

Henry Melton + Wade = Savage :)

Aztec Bronco
08-17-2016, 05:19 PM
Not sure why Melton hasn't been picked up. He's not a starter but as a rotational interior rusher he's damn good.

pricejj
08-17-2016, 05:32 PM
I want a Red Panther Savage opposite Methwolfe. :(

/Price was right that Lynch was the better choice all things considered tho

Bodies all over the ground better be ready.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2016, 06:37 PM
Not sure why Melton hasn't been picked up. He's not a starter but as a rotational interior rusher he's damn good.

I wonder if he has health issues or wants big bucks.

SoCalBronco
08-17-2016, 06:50 PM
Bodies all over the ground better be ready.

Price, hopefully we're calling him that at midseason rather than White Toviessi.

IndelibleScribe
08-17-2016, 06:54 PM
Price, hopefully we're calling him that at midseason rather than White Toviessi.

In fairness, he's more Marcus Thomas than Toviessi.
White HAM!

pricejj
08-17-2016, 09:09 PM
Price, hopefully we're calling him that at midseason rather than White Toviessi.

Toviessi's black midget agent evicted me from his $400/month basement laundry room in college for inviting my girlfriend over without his approval. Good times.

USMCBladerunner
08-17-2016, 10:00 PM
Feel free to look at quotes from the coaches and Vernon himself talking about his struggles because of him not knowing the system, the playbook, etc. Nothing I said was false, but as you mentioned, his drops didn't help much.

He had two good games, albeit no touchdowns, against the Bears and Raiders. Outside of those games, he had ~ 7 catches for 60 yards.

Vernon was added because they thought he could contribute and stretch the team field vertically for the team, not his blocking prowess (though he wasn't bad in that regard).

We may have won a Super Bowl, but two sixth-round selections for the mediocrity (if that) we received from him wasn't worth it in the end.

If Denver wants to trade for a player, the sooner the better, for the reasons I had mentioned. I stand by that.

I agree with most all of this. He was added to make the offense more dynamic. His only real contributions were good blocks on stretch off tackle runs. I truly think he became a ghost in the eyes of his teammates after that "drop" against Oakland.

BroncosfanGuy
08-17-2016, 10:05 PM
2 6th round picks for Davis wasn't bad at all considering he had key blocks to spring TD in the ne game. 6th-round picks on a team like Denver's is like bellyaching over losing a dime and a nickle in an old pair of jeans.

fontaine
08-21-2016, 03:35 AM
Hope we pick up another veteran soon. Gotsis/Winn looked like utter dog crap in extended action.

DENVERDUI55
08-21-2016, 07:31 AM
Hope we pick up another veteran soon. Gotsis/Winn looked like utter dog crap in extended action.

Gostis looks small out there. 65 who was playing OLB looked bigger than him.

LikeABoss5820
08-21-2016, 07:37 AM
DL depth starting to show with Walker out.

A rotation of Walker, Crick, Wolfe, Sly, Gotsis/Kilgo would have been fine.

No room for error with injuries now.

Agamemnon
08-21-2016, 10:07 AM
DL depth starting to show with Walker out.

A rotation of Walker, Crick, Wolfe, Sly, Gotsis/Kilgo would have been fine.

No room for error with injuries now.

I'm pretty confident Wade will handle the situation fine.