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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-11-2016, 03:11 PM
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Denver Broncos Roster:

Active


#

Name

Pos.

Ht.

Wt.

Age

Exp.

College


Gibson, Mathu OL 6-6 295 R Wingate
Phillips, John TE 6-5 251 29 7 Virginia
2 Addison, Bralon WR 5-10 190 22 R Oregon
4 Colquitt, Britton P 6-3 205 31 8 Tennessee
5 Neal, Durron WR 5-11 201 23 R Oklahoma
6 Sanchez, Mark QB 6-2 225 29 8 Southern California
8 McManus, Brandon K 6-3 201 25 3 Temple
9 Dixon, Riley P 6-4 221 22 R Syracuse
10 Sanders, Emmanuel WR 5-11 180 29 7 Southern Methodist
11 Norwood, Jordan WR 5-11 180 29 7 Penn State
12 Lynch, Paxton QB 6-7 244 22 R Memphis
13 Siemian, Trevor QB 6-3 220 24 2 Northwestern
14 Latimer, Cody WR 6-2 215 23 3 Indiana
15 Posey, DeVier WR 6-1 210 26 3 Ohio State
16 Fowler, Bennie WR 6-1 212 25 2 Michigan State
17 Frazier, Mose WR 5-11 190 22 R Memphis
19 Raymond, Kalif WR 5-9 160 22 R Holy Cross
20 Booker, Devontae RB 5-11 219 24 R Utah
21 Talib, Aqib CB 6-1 205 30 9 Kansas
22 Anderson, C.J. RB 5-8 224 25 4 California
23 Hillman, Ronnie RB 5-10 195 24 5 San Diego State
25 Harris Jr., Chris CB 5-10 199 27 5 Kansas
26 Stewart, Darian S 5-11 214 28 7 South Carolina
27 Ross, Brandian S 6-0 190 26 5 Youngstown State
28 Murphy, Ryan S 6-0 214 23 1 Oregon State
29 Roby, Bradley CB 5-11 194 24 3 Ohio State
30 Lowery, B.J. CB 5-11 193 24 R Iowa
31 Simmons, Justin S 6-2 202 22 R Boston College
32 Janovich, Andy FB 6-1 238 23 R Nebraska
33 Keo, Shiloh S 5-11 205 28 5 Idaho
34 Parks, Will S 6-1 194 22 R Arizona
35 Bibbs, Kapri RB 5-11 203 23 2 Colorado State
36 Webster, Kayvon CB 5-11 198 25 4 South Florida
37 Doss, Lorenzo CB 5-11 187 22 2 Tulane
38 Glover, Antonio S 6-1 190 23 R Georgia Southern
39 Nixon, Taurean CB 5-10 187 25 2 Tulane
40 Thompson, Juwan RB 5-11 225 24 3 Duke
41 Kragen, Kyle OLB 6-2 245 23 R California
42 Kreiter, Casey LS 6-1 250 25 1 Iowa
43 Ward, T.J. S 5-10 200 29 7 Oregon
45 Tidwell, John CB 6-0 191 23 R Sioux Falls
46 Norman, Dwayne ILB 6-1 215 22 R Duke
47 Shannon, Frank ILB 6-1 229 23 R Oklahoma
48 Barrett, Shaquil OLB 6-2 250 23 3 Colorado State
49 Sankey, Darnell LB 6-2 250 R Sacramento State
50 Anderson, Zaire ILB 5-11 220 23 1 Nebraska
51 Davis, Todd ILB 6-1 230 24 3 Sacramento State
52 Nelson, Corey ILB 6-1 226 24 3 Oklahoma
53 Ferentz, James C 6-2 285 27 2 Iowa
54 Marshall, Brandon ILB 6-1 250 26 5 Nevada
55 Day, Dillon C 6-4 299 24 1 Mississippi State
56 Ray, Shane OLB 6-3 245 23 2 Missouri
57 Watson, Dekoda LB 6-2 245 28 7 Florida State
58 Miller, Von OLB 6-3 250 27 6 Texas A&M
59 Sulleyman, Sadat OLB 6-0 254 23 R Portland State
60 McGovern, Connor G 6-4 306 23 R Missouri
61 Paradis, Matt C 6-3 300 26 2 Boise State
62 Moala, David NT 6-1 311 23 R Utah State
63 Heurtelou, Calvin NT 6-2 306 23 R Miami (Fla.)
64 Murray, Justin T 6-5 304 23 R Cincinnati
65 Yarbrough, Eddie DE 6-3 259 23 R Wyoming
66 Roberts, Kyle T 6-6 305 24 1 Nevada
68 Dora, Vontarrius OLB 6-4 256 23 R Louisiana Tech
69 Carlson, Sam T 6-4 301 R Colorado State
70 Myers Jr., Robert G 6-5 335 24 2 Tennessee State
71 Stephenson, Donald T 6-6 312 27 5 Oklahoma
72 Neary, Aaron G 6-4 301 23 R Eastern Washington
73 Okung, Russell T 6-5 310 28 7 Oklahoma State
74 Sambrailo, Ty T 6-5 315 24 2 Colorado State
75 Jefferson, Cameron T 6-5 317 24 1 Arkansas
76 Garcia, Max G 6-4 309 24 2 Florida
77 Weems, Darrion T 6-5 310 27 3 Oregon
78 Hanson, Lars T 6-8 308 23 R Sacramento State
79 Schofield, Michael T 6-6 301 25 3 Michigan
80 Graham, Garrett TE 6-3 243 30 7 Wisconsin
82 Heuerman, Jeff TE 6-5 255 23 2 Ohio State
84 Krieger-Coble, Henry TE 6-4 248 24 R Iowa
85 Green, Virgil TE 6-5 255 28 6 Nevada
87 Taylor, Jordan WR 6-5 210 24 1 Rice
88 Thomas, Demaryius WR 6-3 229 28 7 Georgia Tech
90 Peko, Kyle DT 6-1 305 23 R Oregon State
91 Koht, Lars DE 0 R Florida International
92 Williams, Sylvester NT 6-2 313 27 4 North Carolina
93 Crick, Jared DE 6-4 285 26 5 Nebraska
94 Ware, DeMarcus OLB 6-4 258 34 12 Troy
95 Wolfe, Derek DE 6-5 285 26 5 Cincinnati
96 Walker, Vance DE 6-2 305 29 8 Georgia Tech
97 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 300 27 4 Boise State
98 Kilgo, Darius NT 6-3 319 24 2 Maryland
99 Gotsis, Adam DE 6-4 287 23 R Georgia Tech



Chicago Bears Roster:

Active


#

Name

Pos.

Ht.

Wt.

Age

Exp.

College


Adams, Mike OL 6-7 323 26 4 Ohio State
1 Daniels, B.J. WR 5-11 222 26 2 South Florida
2 Hoyer, Brian QB 6-2 215 30 8 Michigan State
6 Cutler, Jay QB 6-3 231 33 11 Vanderbilt
8 Shaw, Connor QB 6-1 210 24 2 South Carolina
9 Gould, Robbie K 6-0 190 34 12 Penn State
11 Bellamy, Joshua WR 6-0 211 27 2 Louisville
12 Fales, David QB 6-1 212 25 2 San Jose State
13 White, Kevin WR 6-3 216 24 2 West Virginia
14 Thompson, Deonte WR 6-0 205 27 4 Florida
15 Peterson, Darrin WR 6-2 214 22 R Liberty
16 O'Donnell, Pat P 6-4 217 25 3 Miami (Fla.)
17 Jeffery, Alshon WR 6-3 218 26 5 South Carolina
18 Keaton, Derek WR 5-10 189 22 R Georgia Southern
19 Royal, Eddie WR 5-10 190 30 9 Virginia Tech
20 Bausby, De'Vante DB 6-2 190 23 1 Pittsburg State
21 Porter, Tracy DB 5-11 200 30 9 Indiana
22 Ross, Joel DB 5-10 190 24 1 Appalachian State
23 Fuller, Kyle DB 6-0 190 24 3 Virginia Tech
24 Howard, Jordan RB 6-1 222 21 R Indiana
25 Carey, Ka'Deem RB 5-10 215 23 3 Arizona
25 Peterson, Kevin DB 5-10 179 22 R Oklahoma State
26 Bush, Deon DB 6-0 200 22 R Miami (Fla.)
27 McManis, Sherrick DB 6-1 192 28 7 Northwestern
29 Jones-Quartey, Harold DB 5-11 210 23 2 Findlay
30 Hurst, Demontre DB 5-10 191 25 3 Oklahoma
31 Prosinski, Chris DB 6-1 213 29 6 Wyoming
32 Hall, Deiondre' DB 6-2 201 22 R Northern Iowa
32 Perry, Senorise RB 6-0 211 24 3 Louisville
33 Calhoun, Taveze DB 6-1 188 23 R Mississippi State
33 Langford, Jeremy RB 6-0 211 24 2 Michigan State
35 Rodgers, Jacquizz RB 5-6 205 26 6 Oregon State
36 Houston-Carson, DeAndre DB 6-1 203 23 R William & Mary
37 Callahan, Bryce DB 5-10 191 24 2 Rice
38 Amos, Adrian DB 6-0 214 23 2 Penn State
39 Glenn, Jacoby DB 6-0 185 23 2 Central Florida
43 Braunecker, Ben TE 6-4 255 22 R Harvard
43 Mason, Danny LB 6-3 235 25 1 Texas A&M-Commerce
44 Kwiatkoski, Nick LB 6-2 242 23 R West Virginia
45 Grace, Jarrett LB 6-2 243 23 R Notre Dame
45 Young, Darrel FB 5-11 251 29 7 Villanova
46 Brewer, Aaron LS 6-5 232 26 5 San Diego State
47 Lasike, Paul FB 5-11 258 26 1 BYU
47 Robertson-Harris, Roy LB 6-7 268 23 R UTEP
48 Scales, Patrick LS 6-4 242 28 2 Utah State
49 Acho, Sam LB 6-3 260 27 6 Texas
49 Moeaki, Tony TE 6-3 250 29 7 Iowa
50 Freeman, Jerrell LB 6-0 236 30 5 Mary Hardin-Baylor
52 Jones, Christian LB 6-3 251 25 3 Florida State
53 Timu, John LB 6-0 245 23 2 Washington
57 Barrow, Lamin LB 6-1 237 25 3 LSU
58 Anderson, Jonathan LB 6-3 235 24 2 Texas Christian
59 Trevathan, Danny LB 6-1 239 26 5 Kentucky
60 Edison, Cornelius OL 6-3 309 23 1 Portland State
62 Larsen, Ted OL 6-2 315 29 7 North Carolina State
63 Silatolu, Amini OL 6-4 320 27 5 Midwestern State
64 Wallace, Martin OL 6-6 311 26 2 Temple
65 Whitehair, Cody OL 6-3 310 24 R Kansas State
67 Williams, Garry OL 6-3 295 29 6 Kentucky
69 Kling, John OL 6-7 320 23 R Buffalo
70 Massie, Bobby OL 6-6 320 27 5 Mississippi
72 Leno, Charles OL 6-3 305 24 3 Boise State
73 Buchholz, Dan OL 6-4 301 23 R Duquesne
74 Bullard, Jonathan DL 6-2 290 22 R Florida
75 Long, Kyle OL 6-6 320 27 4 Oregon
76 Browner, Keith DL 6-4 292 28 1 California
76 Williams, Donovan OL 6-3 315 22 R Louisiana
78 Weaver, Jason OL 6-5 309 27 2 Southern Mississippi
79 Williams, Terry DL 6-1 319 24 1 East Carolina
80 Mariani, Marc WR/KR 6-1 190 29 7 Montana
81 Meredith, Cameron WR 6-3 207 23 2 Illinois State
82 Lee, Khari TE 6-4 253 24 2 Bowie State
83 Braverman, Daniel WR 5-10 185 22 R Western Michigan
84 Sinclair, Gannon TE 6-7 258 23 1 Missouri State
85 Duncan, Kieren WR 5-11 175 22 R CSU-Pueblo
86 Miller, Zach TE 6-5 243 31 7 Nebraska-Omaha
87 Scruggs, Greg TE 6-3 277 25 4 Louisville
88 Housler, Rob TE 6-5 250 28 6 Florida Atlantic
90 Washington, Cornelius DL 6-4 292 26 4 Georgia
91 Goldman, Eddie DL 6-4 320 22 2 Florida State
93 Sutton, Will DL 6-0 297 24 3 Arizona State
94 Floyd, Leonard LB 6-6 240 23 R Georgia
95 Ferguson, Ego DL 6-2 300 24 3 LSU
96 Hicks, Akiem DL 6-5 336 26 5 Regina (Canada)
97 Young, Willie LB 6-4 258 30 7 North Carolina State
98 Unrein, Mitch DL 6-4 299 29 6 Wyoming
99 Houston, Lamarr LB 6-3 274 29 7 Texas





Denver Broncos Depth Chart:
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Chicago Bears Depth Chart:
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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun'sCorner:



1. As it is every year at this time the number one thing every player has to worry about is STAY HEALTHY! YOU CAN MAKE THE CLUB IN THE TUB! That true on the young guns and the old vets. We're all ready down Sambrailo, Okung and Ware. Stay on your feet. Don't go to the ground.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2014/09/Broncos-best-team-in-the-AFC.jpeg



2. Sanchez vs. Siemian: I just wish either one would either take this job from the other or just fall on there face. That way it would be a lot easier to throw out support behind one and hope for the best. But Noooooo, it neck and neck. One will make a great throw, then the other will make a great throw. One throws an interception, the other will throw an interception. As it stands, tonight Sanchez will start the game. I hope he plays great and just takes control of this job. Sanchez is like lazy champ that just eeeks out a win, who does just enough to get the win. Siemian is going to have to go all out if he wants to win this job. That means making all the right reads, throw with accuracy, and when all else fails win the game.
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y374/JKr3w13/MarkSanchezBroncos_zpsxzis9mww.jpg



3. Jordan Norwood vs. Kalif Raymond: Fighting for 3rd WR/ Punt returner. The worst thing about this battle, is that Norwood is the better returner, Kalif is the better receiver. There isn't enough room on this team for both. I hope there are a lot of 3 and outs to watch the return game.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/004/034/615/hi-res-09aae3564ce54079742c3c5f323fcc56_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75



[CENTER]4. Kapri Bibbs vs. Ronnie Hillman: I don't know what the point of the preseason depth chart sometimes. I swear I see something special in Bibbs this year. Yet Hillman is ahead in the depth chart. Maybe they are going to show case Hillman and help get a job else where. That's real generous of them. Bibbs is going to run well tonight IMHO.

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/20151021__Bibbsp1.jpg?w=654


5. Will Parks vs. Shiloh Keo: I think in the case of Parks vs. Keo it'll come down to special teams play. Keo has the experience, but Parks has the fire. I like that Keo helped us win the Super Bowl, but I want to het younger here and one day replace TJ Ward.



AREYOUREADY!!!!!!!

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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-11-2016, 03:14 PM
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Venue:
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Vital Stats:


Broncos
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Chicago Bears
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Injury Report
Broncos
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VS.
Chicago Bears
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Fan vs. Fan
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Chicago Bears
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Greatspirits
08-11-2016, 03:19 PM
Let's do this! WooHoo! Football is back!!

SoCalBronco
08-11-2016, 03:25 PM
Looking forward to seeing the rookies!

broncocalijohn
08-11-2016, 03:45 PM
Looking forward to seeing the rookies!

Who you rooting for?


Former Broncos:

Cutler
Adams
Lamin
Brewer
Unrein
Royal
Trevathan

Probably missed a few.

MileHighMagic
08-11-2016, 03:56 PM
All aboard the Siemian bandwagon!

McDman
08-11-2016, 03:57 PM
Reddit is down. How will I find a stream?!

ChampBailey24
08-11-2016, 04:00 PM
any idea for streams? reddit is down

SoCalBronco
08-11-2016, 04:05 PM
All aboard the Siemian bandwagon!

Studmien and Lynch!

LikeABoss5820
08-11-2016, 04:08 PM
ShookScribe

SoCalBronco
08-11-2016, 04:18 PM
Who you rooting for?


Former Broncos:

Cutler
Adams
Lamin
Brewer
Unrein
Royal
Trevathan

Probably missed a few.

Cutler is the only one on that team that I truly admire, now that DJ has retired.

I'm rooting for no injuries to Broncos or Cutler, a good performance by Lynch and our rookies, a good performance from Siemian and a DEN win.

maggnus
08-11-2016, 04:19 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Paxton Lynch takes the second half, will be fun to see his progress.</p>&mdash; Ed McCaffrey (@87ed) <a href="https://twitter.com/87ed/status/763875571734421505">August 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Requiem
08-11-2016, 04:35 PM
Not Too Shabby Bowl 2016!

Requiem
08-11-2016, 04:36 PM
Albert Breer's twitter got hacked. Savage.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 04:38 PM
SCRIBE IS NERVOUS.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 04:46 PM
Stoked about pax getting the whole second half!

SoCalBronco
08-11-2016, 04:50 PM
SCRIBE IS NERVOUS.

Studmien COMIN

ChampBailey24
08-11-2016, 04:56 PM
any streams?

maher_tyler
08-11-2016, 04:58 PM
Thought someone said this was on NFLN??

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:00 PM
any streams?

http://store.mdcgate.com/market/app_...2&platformID=6

Copy and paste this into your browser.

Install APK but make sure that you can download unknown files. (Settings/security/check the unknown files)There is a install guide if you need help.

After installation search for NFL Network in there search option.


thank ICON

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:02 PM
STREAM IT UP BABY. (http://goatd.net/158051/watch-denver-broncos-vs-chicago-bears)

Spirited_Cheer
08-11-2016, 05:04 PM
any idea for streams? reddit is down



http://www.bosscast.net/channel76.php

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:05 PM
BRONCOS GET BALL FIRST>

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:05 PM
Nice cut by Raymond!

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:06 PM
Raymond with a nice cutback, 26 yard return.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:06 PM
Terrible OL already getting flagged.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:06 PM
He is who we thought he was.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
first play of the pre-season... offensive holding.

ruh roh. deja vu all over again.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
kFc scum getting flagged already

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
Sanchez first pass ever as Bronco? Left handed throw away.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
Holding #71 lol.

McDman
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
Good start...

tonngo0
08-11-2016, 05:07 PM
thanks for the update

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:08 PM
That run blocking looked nice.

Big 3rd down.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:08 PM
Sanders catches a ****ty Sanchez pass.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:08 PM
Virgil for the 1st!

Nice play

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Nice third down pass to Virgil Green!

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Wow, that boot action reminded me of watching Plummer play.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Not bad Sanchez.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:09 PM
Play fake to Demaryius Thomas.

SHOOK SCRIBE.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:11 PM
Nice job by Schanzes so far, some bigtime 3rd down conversions.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:11 PM
Schofield lets a defender blow right by him.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:11 PM
so many damned drama queens on denver sports talk radio.

sanchez looks just fine so far.

i have no idea what d-bag and cecil and the rest have been clenching their fists about.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:11 PM
virgil has arrived.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:11 PM
Another Virgil Green connection from Sanchez on third down, 14 yards.

MOVE THOSE CHAINS.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:12 PM
Mark is making some nice throws. Nothing that makes me miss Manning yet but nice drive so far.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:12 PM
Willie Young makes Jeff Heuerman eat hit and almost kills Sanchez.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:12 PM
I would like to point out ( zero butt fumbles) thus far.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:13 PM
Damn, not too shabby for Sancho.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:13 PM
Boom goes the dynamite

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:13 PM
BOOM!

OMAHA HA
08-11-2016, 05:13 PM
Schofield lets a defender blow right by him.

Can't stand that bitch

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
Mark Sanchez is molested but hits Demaryius Thomas for a TD. WOO!

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
this so-called QB controversy is much ado about nothing.

sanchez looks fine. all we need is a mobile game manager who doesn't make critical mistakes. i'm pretty sure we can get that from him this year.

McDman
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
Good to know the offensive line is playing just as well as last year.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
Sanchez super bowl.


Hilarious!

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
Sanchez you a bitch! But you alright with me right now.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
lol Well now this is going to be interesting. Third downs, a touchdown, big plays. There is going to be some anger from the haters.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
He got lit up too... now don't get all cocky Sanchez, ha ha

ShaneFalco
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
wow nice sanchez.

way to hang in there with the blitz and throw a bomb to dt.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
hey now. sanchez stood in there, took the hit, and found DT for the 6.

Action
08-11-2016, 05:14 PM
This offensive line can kick rocks.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:15 PM
Sanchez just punched his ticket to the Ring of Fame.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:16 PM
It is going to take the OL time to gel. The fact that Butt-Fumble was able to find the single coverage and put it where DT could make a play was encouraging.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:16 PM
7 of 8. 83 yards. 1 TD. 0 INT. 0 BF.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:16 PM
Sanchez may not make it out of August alive with this OL.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
Who blew that tackle on the KO?

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
FWIW he was 7/8 for 81 yards, perfect on third down and scored. That's better than Manning's preseason debut in this system last year.

Bronco X
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
Auspicious!

tonngo0
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
I guess we have to fire all the Oline again.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
Can't believe Frown Cannon's been in the leage 12 yrs now.

Cascadia Bronco
08-11-2016, 05:17 PM
Nice drive, I'm not going to condemn the line just yet. Going to see how Okung does at LT and how that changes everything up.

lostknight
08-11-2016, 05:18 PM
Great start

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:19 PM
FWIW he was 7/8 for 81 yards, perfect on third down and scored. That's better than Manning's preseason debut in this system last year.


careful there sparky.....

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:20 PM
HAHAHAHA!!!

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:20 PM
NIce, Ray! He looks bigger this year

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:20 PM
down goes the frown cannon

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:20 PM
careful there sparky.....

**** no. Sanchez is a better fit for this system than Manning. It doesn't mean he's better than Manning.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:21 PM
Ray is on roids and I love it.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:22 PM
derek wolfe is gonna play his whole career in denver and eventually end up in the ring of fame.

you heard it here first.

swaiy
08-11-2016, 05:22 PM
Looks like Ray has a new spin move

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:22 PM
Ray and Barrett beasting on 3rd down and they are the 2nd team!

Enjoy our pass rush depth because it is amazing.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:23 PM
good to see the D still its aggressive self.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:23 PM
**** no. Sanchez is a better fit for this system than Manning. It doesn't mean he's better than Manning.

we need a sarcasm emotion :P

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:23 PM
Ray is on roids and I love it.

Naw, he's on that MethWolfe diet. God, I cannot believe I finally used the name MethWolfe, I hate hate damn name.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:23 PM
SHOOK MANE.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:23 PM
**** no. Sanchez is a better fit for this system than Manning. It doesn't mean he's better than Manning.

Sanchez didn't look any different from Manning at all, at least 2015 Manning.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Naw, he's on that MethWolfe diet. God, I cannot believe I finally used the name MethWolfe, I hate hate damn name.

Awooooooooooo!!!

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Nice run by Hillman.

lostknight
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Hillman looking good

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Ronnie Hillman got whacked.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Hillman still goes down to easy but a 2nd nice run.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:25 PM
Hillman just picked up 5 yards, Agememnon might explode.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:25 PM
There's the Sanchez we all know and love. Tipped interception.

lostknight
08-11-2016, 05:25 PM
Yep, and there it is

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:25 PM
There we go... the honeymoon is over.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
Siemian time.

I thought his other boot throw was low too.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
forced that throw. no reason to put it in there with so many wrong color jerseys around. bonehead throw.

v2micca
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
8 and 6 first season record with the Broncos. Seriously graphics guy. You had one job.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
That was a bad throw

ICON
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
Sanchez going to Sanchez

swaiy
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
Damn trevathan looks ****ing huge. Maybe it's just the new uniform lol

Bronco X
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
Inauspicious!

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
Sanchez, you a bitch!

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:26 PM
And the real Sanchez shows up.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:27 PM
Watching Sanchez is like watching 2015 Manning, just waiting for something bad to happen and pleasantly surprised when something good happens.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:27 PM
Latimer was completely open underneath. That was a horrendous throw. Bad decision.

Just not ****ing good.

Real ****.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
the good news is that Cutler is the bear's QB, so there's a 40%-50% chance he'll turn it right back over to us. ;D

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
lighten up francises,,,

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Sanchez looks to be about 5'10" whatever they list him at is pushing it a lot.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Barrett!

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Latimer was completely open underneath. That was a horrendous throw. Bad decision.

Just not ****ing good.

Real ****.

Even Sanchez doesn't trust Cody Hilarious!

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:28 PM
Shaq Barrett what a talent, has to be one of the best rotational players at his position

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
And the real Sanchez shows up.


zero patience Hilarious!...

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
TJ Ward just killed Cutler.

ICON
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
Shaq Barrett what a talent, has to be one of the best rotational players at his position
He could definitely start on quite a few teams

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
Huge sack TJ

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
Our pass rush is gangster as f

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:29 PM
Ward bring it!

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
Ward just ****ed Cutler senseless.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
typical cun-nter

Brewer
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
TJ Ward just killed Cutler.

It was a pretty sack, indeed.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
lol long season donks

http://i.imgur.com/kH7c5EZ.gif

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
Our D minus 4 of the best players on it, just picking up where they left off, nice to see.

lostknight
08-11-2016, 05:30 PM
Defense looking as good as advertised. Mark is the 1:1 TD:Interception machine we knew he was.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
Wade Phillips is calling a good game on D.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
lol long season donks

http://i.imgur.com/kH7c5EZ.gif

^^ gayest post on the whole thread so far.

D.B.
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
Damn trevathan looks ****ing huge. Maybe it's just the new uniform lol

I was thinking Hillman looks a lot bigger.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
typical cun-nter

Ward couldn't help himself. He saw a hole and wrapped himself in warm ****.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
zero patience Hilarious!...



No patience needed. I've been seeing him do that since USC. Laughing at USC Jets Philly fans.


Patience will be needed to erase all of that because he's wearing orange and blue. Weird feeling rooting for someone I've disliked for several years.

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:31 PM
Sanchez, you a b****!

Yeah. Put in Lynch and give him all reps from here on out.
Screw Buttfumble.

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 05:32 PM
well. one very good for Sanchez. & one very very bad....

tonngo0
08-11-2016, 05:32 PM
Defense looking as good as advertised. Mark is the 1:1 TD:Interception machine we knew he was.

you can said Sanchez is the same as advertised.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:32 PM
lol long season donks

http://i.imgur.com/kH7c5EZ.gif

At least Alex Smith isn't our franchise QB, Andy Reid not our coach and Fisher not our massively overpaid RG playing LT.

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:32 PM
^^ gayest post on the whole thread so far.

Triple coverage.

phibacka31
08-11-2016, 05:33 PM
That was really just a great Defensive play TBH... and I am no Sanchez lover...

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:34 PM
I liked that throw, nice step up into traffic wish Fowler could have seen the throw.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:34 PM
Sanchize is shaken. Let's see Siemian.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:34 PM
OK the quarter should end before we get the ball back so no more Sanchez thankfully.

razorwire77
08-11-2016, 05:34 PM
Colquitt back in regular season form.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:34 PM
lol long season donks

http://i.imgur.com/kH7c5EZ.gif

Says a guy who's team is starting Dee Ford as their #1 pass rusher.

Bronx33
08-11-2016, 05:35 PM
No patience needed. I've been seeing him do that since USC. Laughing at USC Jets Philly fans.


Patience will be needed to erase all of that because he's wearing orange and blue. Weird feeling rooting for someone I've disliked for several years.

zero....

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:35 PM
I liked that throw, nice step up into traffic wish Fowler could have seen the throw.

yeah, he didn't look like he was running full speed to me either.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:36 PM
Cutler in there a lot for the 1st PS game, though I guess they have only run 6 plays.

razorwire77
08-11-2016, 05:36 PM
Shane looks like he's put on 20 pounds of pure muscle.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:36 PM
We already got them screening, they're so scared.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:36 PM
That's how you read a screen.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:37 PM
That's not a catch.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:37 PM
Was that incomplete?

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Nice return by this rook.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
This #19 might be OK.... He shows some burst, looks pretty fearless.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Shane looks like he's put on 20 pounds of pure muscle.

pretty much impossible to put on 20lbs of muscle in 6 months. more like 6-8 lbs and another several pounds of water.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Nice return from Raymond

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Raymond in there for punts. I like

BleedinBlue
08-11-2016, 05:38 PM
Oline is not doing Sanchez any favors. Successful running game to set up the bootleg and PA will be a must so our qb's don't die this year.

BroncoFox
08-11-2016, 05:39 PM
Defense dominating.. with a bunch of our starters out. :giggle:

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:39 PM
First quarter is done. Honestly we can win a lot of games playing like this. Let's see if Siemian isn't an idiot. I'll take the safer choice even if that choice is boring. With this defense and an emphasis on running we don't need a hero at QB.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:39 PM
Mr. Raymond is doing work. Looks like he is getting a feel for the NFL game and might break one soon.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
First quarter is done. Honestly we can win a lot of games playing like this. Let's see if Siemian isn't an idiot. I'll take the safer choice even if that choice is boring. With this defense and an emphasis on running we don't need a hero at QB.

Trevor wasn't the QB we deserved, but the one we needed.

razorwire77
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
pretty much impossible to put on 20lbs of muscle in 6 months. more like 6-8 lbs and another several pounds of water.
Agree, probably 8 pounds or so, but looks like he probably cleaned up his diet and cut down body fat % too. Point being he looks ****ing jacked.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
Oline is not doing Sanchez any favors. Successful running game to set up the bootleg and PA will be a must so our qb's don't die this year.

Did you actually see who was in there after the 1st series, the only one with any real NFL experience was Schofield

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
Latimer left his feet for some odd reason.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
One throw and Siemian already looks better.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:40 PM
Great slant by Latimer. Awesome throw by Trevor.

Great13
08-11-2016, 05:41 PM
Mr. Raymond is doing work. Looks like he is getting a feel for the NFL game and might break one soon.

This. As in tonight!

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:41 PM
Strike!

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:41 PM
I am full on the Siemian Bandwagon.

What a gun.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:41 PM
Great pass to Latimer

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:41 PM
Love Siemain's footwork.

Can't wait to see Josina Anderson have to cut her hair.

ICON
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Wow

phibacka31
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
I love Latimer and am hoping he finally pulls head outta ass... hes got prototypical size and speed to be a STUD

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
That was placed beautifully. Fowler needs to catch that.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Damn Bennie, gotta get that.

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Shoulda been caught.
Seimien is the starter.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Fowler shoulda held onto that, another great throw

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Siemian is a pimp, yo

tonngo0
08-11-2016, 05:42 PM
Can't wait to see Josina Anderson have to cut her hair.

damm that is going to be scary

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
why are we still unable/unwilling to throw over the middle ???

razorwire77
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
That's a perfect back shoulder fade by Siemian. Kid looks super impressive. Fowler needs to make that catch.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
Great touch and again the WR fails to bring it down.

Love that Siemian is going downfield.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
How was that not flagged???

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
Bye Sanchez

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:43 PM
Love Siemain's footwork.

Can't wait to see Josina Anderson have to cut her hair.

Her weave? :thumbs:

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:44 PM
Hall had solid coverage but Taylor has to come down with that.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:44 PM
Hall was looking nowhere near the ball and had his hands all over Taylor's face

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:44 PM
SCRIBE POSTING ON HIS WINDOWS 95 IBM APTIVA WITH 56K DIAL-UP INTERNET IS NERVOUS.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:44 PM
Sanchez is just sloppy. You want the more controlled, robotic guy QB'ing this team. Sanchez has too much gunslinger in him without the ability to back it up.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
08-11-2016, 05:45 PM
You can just the the difference in his passes.

QB competition will be fun this year.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:45 PM
Her weave? :thumbs:

She said on ESPN that if Sanchez didn't start vs the Panthers she would cut her hair.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:45 PM
This. As in tonight!

i don't know. we might have to stash him on the PS for a year. if so, i don't want any other teams to have film of him as a great returner. i'd rather he show that at Dove Valley until we know for sure he's gonna make the 53 man roster. don't want to lose that guy because we have too many good WRs in front of him and some other team picks him up for his return skills.

eddie mac
08-11-2016, 05:45 PM
It's pretty easy to see from the gameplan that Kubiak wants to see these guys throwing as much as possible, poor RB's wont get too many touches tonight

razorwire77
08-11-2016, 05:45 PM
Footwork, compact throwing motion, going through his progressions, all impressive on that drive. Overall just looks so much smoother and stronger than Dirty.

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 05:46 PM
YES. Hahahaha. Trevor is showing up. :)

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 05:46 PM
SCRIBE POSTING ON HIS WINDOWS 95 IBM APTIVA WITH 56K DIAL-UP INTERNET IS NERVOUS.

I'm on my 386 w/SVGA monitor with a 2400 baud modem playing madmaze on Prodigy.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:46 PM
Cutler's performance tonight was like a 9

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:46 PM
Sanchez is just sloppy. You want the more controlled, robotic guy QB'ing this team. Sanchez has too much gunslinger in him without the ability to back it up.

He is slow and stiff, you can tell he is trying not to make a mistake. Siemian comes in and flashes straight up Gunslinger.

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:47 PM
Sanchez is just sloppy. You want the more controlled, robotic guy QB'ing this team. Sanchez has too much gunslinger in him without the ability to back it up.

Semian has better mechanics and footwork. He's got a better arm with much more zip. On target, with good touch. Should be 14-0.
He's simply more comfortable with this offense.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:47 PM
Hoyer suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuks

Action
08-11-2016, 05:47 PM
Lol at this John fox game plan.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:48 PM
L O L at Stokeley campaigning all offseason for us to sign Hoyer.

Requiem
08-11-2016, 05:48 PM
I had a Tandy 386, Kaylore of Nazareth.

broncocalijohn
08-11-2016, 05:48 PM
She said on ESPN that if Sanchez didn't start vs the Panthers she would cut her hair.

She is just looking for a free haircut.

BroncoBeavis
08-11-2016, 05:48 PM
Now you know how Hoyer looks without the O'Brien Whisperer.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:49 PM
Semian has better mechanics and footwork. He's got a better arm with much more zip. On target, with good touch. Should be 14-0.
He's simply more comfortable with this offense.

doesn't mean anything once the season starts.

veteran NFL game experience > training camp & preseason game experience

ICON
08-11-2016, 05:49 PM
Lol at this John fox game plan.

Not too shabby!

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:49 PM
We are reminded how KC won that playoff game now...

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:49 PM
Backup D still bossing.

No way Oakland (or kFc who's window closed) wins the AFC West.

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:50 PM
Booker brings a little thump

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:50 PM
Nice run.

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Mine's a 486 SX with no floating point unit. :P

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Deflected?

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:52 PM
doesn't mean anything once the season starts.

veteran NFL game experience > training camp & preseason game experience

Hilarious!BUTTFUMBLEHilarious!

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 05:52 PM
OK we got a punter! Cut the other guy

Paladin
08-11-2016, 05:52 PM
Overall, Broncos are just the way better team tonight.

oubronco
08-11-2016, 05:53 PM
Damn the O-line is getting worked

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:53 PM
27 didn't make much of an effort to get back inbounds surprised that wasn't called.

Not a lot of flags today, it is refreshing.

Spirited_Cheer
08-11-2016, 05:53 PM
O-Line...

RepentWalpurgis
08-11-2016, 05:53 PM
Broncos have a badass defense.

Gort
08-11-2016, 05:54 PM
Hilarious!BUTTFUMBLEHilarious!

i'm neutral about Sanchez vs. Siemian.

i just don't think that you overlook Sanchez' 8 years of NFL experience. he's gonna be the opening day starter. the question is whether or not he can keep the job all season and how many games will Kubiak give him if he's underperforming.

Quoydogs
08-11-2016, 05:54 PM
O-Line...

Sucks. Is this a word assosiation game.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:55 PM
I thought so.

socalorado
08-11-2016, 05:55 PM
i'm neutral about Sanchez vs. Siemian.

i just don't think that you overlook Sanchez' 8 years of NFL experience. he's gonna be the opening day starter. the question is whether or not he can keep the job all season and how many games will Kubiak give him if he's underperforming.

At this rate, I would say 2 games.
And you won't find a bigger USC homer on this site than me.

maven
08-11-2016, 05:55 PM
This game on national tv?

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:55 PM
What was that? I thought it was a run!

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 05:55 PM
Hilarious!Sucks. Is this a word assosiation game.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:56 PM
Is that Simmons who made that tackle?

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 05:56 PM
SCRIBE POSTING ON HIS WINDOWS 95 IBM APTIVA WITH 56K DIAL-UP INTERNET IS NERVOUS.

Compaq Presario 5460 bitch, get it right. Hilarious!

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 05:57 PM
Hoyer doing better than Cutler.

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 05:57 PM
JaQuizz

LikeABoss5820
08-11-2016, 05:58 PM
Defense badass.

Offense= what you expect

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 05:59 PM
Hoyer can fling it. Maybe the best backup in the league after Osweiler. ;)

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 06:00 PM
SACKED AGAIN!

BEASTING

KipCorrington25
08-11-2016, 06:00 PM
Dora the explorer!

oubronco
08-11-2016, 06:00 PM
Screens are killing them

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 06:00 PM
Hell yeah sack on fourth down.

IndelibleScribe
08-11-2016, 06:00 PM
Hoyer can fling it. Maybe the best backup in the league after Osweiler. ;)

It's his statement game, "How dare the Broncos think Trevor Siemian is better than me."

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 06:01 PM
Hoyer can fling it. Maybe the best backup in the league after Osweiler. ;)

Not when he is on the ground like he was in the playoffs and on 4th down.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 06:01 PM
We just ensured another season of Fox never going for it on fourth and short. You're welcome, people of Chicago. :wave:

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 06:01 PM
Screens are killing them

Because Screens are good against aggressive young D's.

They didn't work when our 1b D was in.

Old Coyote
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
I love this D.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
down side of this stream is it's the bears network, which means we get ZERO information on who made the tackle.

bpc
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
Dora? I feel like major league the movie. Who the **** are these guys?

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
Who is 68?

Wes Mantooth
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
Mine's a 486 SX with no floating point unit. :P

So much cheaper. Always can add it later

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2016, 06:02 PM
This game on national tv?

Nfl network in 2 hrs

broncosteven
08-11-2016, 06:03 PM
Free shot, love that Siemian attacked.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 06:03 PM
I sure as hell hope Semen threw that up because he knew it was a penalty. If not, that's god awful. Throw wasn't great anyway.

Kaylore
08-11-2016, 06:04 PM
Holding. Booo.

Maleficent
08-11-2016, 06:04 PM
Thanks for the stream link. Missed the first Q.

Smiling Assassin27
08-11-2016, 06:05 PM
OK, this is getting ****in' ridiculous with the holds.