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Doggcow
01-18-2016, 05:24 PM
He's Terrible on 2nd down, but, he's what we got.

Also, He's the only RB small enough to fit through this hole.

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Doggcow
01-18-2016, 05:24 PM
Also he hasn't been fumbling. He seems to have cured that! Wahoo.

SVine
01-18-2016, 05:34 PM
You don't think CJ can run through that?

I really don't know what the full deal with CJ is, but I'll take a 100% fully healthy CJ over Hillman everyday, allday with the occasional break for change of pace when needed.

Soul-Bronco
01-18-2016, 05:39 PM
I kept asking myself why we were seeing hillman so often I'm the first half. I think kubes is keeping CJ fresh for the second half of games so he can break off those big runs that were integral in us winning the game.

Doggcow
01-18-2016, 05:49 PM
I kept asking myself why we were seeing hillman so often I'm the first half. I think kubes is keeping CJ fresh for the second half of games so he can break off those big runs that were integral in us winning the game.

ULTRA MASTERMIND THINKING. I like it.

yerner
01-18-2016, 06:21 PM
that was a great run. hillman's just being used wrong but he's a solid pro.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:27 PM
You don't think CJ can run through that?

I really don't know what the full deal with CJ is, but I'll take a 100% fully healthy CJ over Hillman everyday, allday with the occasional break for change of pace when needed.

This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2016, 06:28 PM
Hillman has grown on me a little this year. CJ is better, but they have a pretty good combo going. It's great seeing CJ so fresh in the 4th quarter, just wrecking **** up.

Gutless Drunk
01-18-2016, 06:30 PM
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GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:30 PM
And this.

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Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2016, 06:31 PM
This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Are you serious?

He got run over, by a pretty good rush OLB that outweighs him by about 40+lbs.

It happens sometimes, but giving one example and then spinning it that "CJ sucks at pass pro" is pretty ignorant.

SVine
01-18-2016, 06:31 PM
This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Oh come on! No one who knows football can expect a rb to slow down that when Harris completely whiffs. The whole idea of using a rb to pick up a blitz is to HELP slow down the blitz. If Harris does his ****ing job, that defender isn't coming like a train. Even if Harris slows the defender somewhat but gets by, CJ will be MUCH MORE effective in picking him up.

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2016, 06:32 PM
And this.

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GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:33 PM
And this is a TD if Manning can stop over throwing.

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Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2016, 06:35 PM
And this is a TD if Manning can stop over throwing.

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Yeah, CJ really ****ed that one up too. Thanks for derailing champ.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:37 PM
Oh come on! No one who knows football can expect a rb to slow down that when Harris completely whiffs. The whole idea of using a rb to pick up a blitz is to HELP slow down the blitz. If Harris does his ****ing job, that defender isn't coming like a train. Even if Harris slows the defender somewhat but gets by, CJ will be MUCH MORE effective in picking him up.

Look at his damn technique. He does this nearly all the time he picks up a rusher. He stops and leans back. He can't block for shlt. Doesn't matter if Harris whiffed or not. He should have kept moving forward and taken his legs out at the very least.


CJ is a very mediocre running back. Nothing more nothing less. Him and Hillman complement each other well.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:38 PM
Yeah, CJ really ****ed that one up too. Thanks for derailing champ.

:Whaaaa!:

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2016, 06:39 PM
This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Yeah, it's a good thing you cropped Harris out of this.

Once you saw him release Harrison to block Alfonso Air, CJ wouldn't be the one you'd be mad at.

Jason in LA
01-18-2016, 06:39 PM
So where are the videos of Hillman barely getting any yards? I like him. Just not enough for him to have an even split with Anderson. Give CJ 20-25 carries, and Hillman 10 or so.

SVine
01-18-2016, 06:40 PM
Hillman has grown on me a little this year. CJ is better, but they have a pretty good combo going. It's great seeing CJ so fresh in the 4th quarter, just wrecking **** up.

I agree, he's grown on me too, and I think if he is used correctly, he can play an integral role on this team. I don't want it to look like I am trashing on Hillman. But Hillman is not anything more than a change of pace scat-back if CJ is fully healthy. I would like to see Hillman back next year getting 10-15 touches per game making a couple of big plays here and there.

SVine
01-18-2016, 06:42 PM
Look at his damn technique. He does this nearly all the time he picks up a rusher. He stops and leans back. He can't block for shlt. Doesn't matter if Harris whiffed or not. He should have kept moving forward and taken his legs out at the very least.


CJ is a very mediocre running back. Nothing more nothing less. Him and Hillman complement each other well.

I wish I knew how to post gif's but you must have forgot that 4th and 1 run he had to save a drive in last year's playoff game against Indy. No "very mediocre running back" can ever dream of making a play like that.

Jason in LA
01-18-2016, 06:43 PM
And this.

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Interesting, for the season Anderson had one more catch than Hillman, but he had 72 more receiving yards. Anderson averaged 7.3 ypc to Hillman's 4.2. Also, Anderson is was not credited with any drops during the season, while Hillman had one.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:43 PM
Yeah, it's a good thing you cropped Harris out of this.

Once you saw him release Harrison to block Alfonso Air, CJ wouldn't be the one you'd be mad at.

I didn't crop anything. That's embedded straight from the source. Regardless, Harris whiffing is nothing new either. So between him and CJ, they can't block one single defensive player. :giggle:

Also, I'm not mad at CJ. I swear, you can't say anything negative about a player without people thinking you hate them or something.:giggle:

Gutless Drunk
01-18-2016, 06:46 PM
Yeah, it's a good thing you cropped Harris out of this.

Once you saw him release Harrison to block Alfonso Air, CJ wouldn't be the one you'd be mad at.

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WolfpackGuy
01-18-2016, 06:48 PM
Harris played that off nicely.

Didn't even both turning around.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2016, 06:49 PM
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Thanks.

That's painful.

But thanks.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2016, 06:51 PM
I didn't crop anything. That's embedded straight from the source. Regardless, Harris whiffing is nothing new either. So between him and CJ, they can't block one single defensive player. :giggle:

Also, I'm not mad at CJ. I swear, you can't say anything negative about a player without people thinking you hate them or something.:giggle:

There's not a RB in the game that's going to cross the QB to stonewall an untouched James Harrison.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2016, 06:51 PM
Are you serious?

He got run over, by a pretty good rush OLB that outweighs him by about 40+lbs.

It happens sometimes, but giving one example and then spinning it that "CJ sucks at pass pro" is pretty ignorant.

Lol by a good 40 pounds. Harrison is 37 years old and listed at 242. Do you think CJ is 200 pounds now?

SVine
01-18-2016, 06:52 PM
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Manning supposed to be a GOD at audibling, the correct audible here is a CJ draw. With a CJ draw audibled, freeing up Mathis, Harris, and Paradis to rumble down the middle of the field blocking has a very good chance to be a 22 yard CJ Anderson touchdown.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 06:53 PM
Harris played that off nicely.

Didn't even both turning around.

I hope it was just a miscommunication. Green starts right at the snap, then moves out to the outside rusher. Not sure who Harris was thinking he had. You can see Green going up to him to say something after the play.


Regardless, CJ has to make a better effort to pick up the block. His only job on that play was to block.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2016, 06:58 PM
Manning supposed to be a GOD at audibling, the correct audible here is a CJ draw. With a CJ draw audibled, freeing up Mathis, Harris, and Paradis to rumble down the middle of the field blocking has a very good chance to be a 22 yard CJ Anderson touchdown.

Yeah he's going to beat a guy one on one he can't even block Hilarious!

SVine
01-18-2016, 07:00 PM
Yeah he's going to beat a guy one on one he can't even block Hilarious!

Well to be fair, Harris would be blocking Harrison if draw is called. That still frees up Mathis and Paradis to rumble down the field untouched for CJ to get many yards. I'll take my chances.

Even if Harris would have whiffed on hypothetical draw, Anderson immediately sees that, cuts inside, breaks that tackle and is off to the races.

broncocalijohn
01-18-2016, 07:01 PM
This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Bingo. Glad there are others that stick up for Hillman and recognize that CJ is limited. I have a feeling so many bitching about Hillman also were claiming that our defense sucks.

Jason in LA
01-18-2016, 07:15 PM
Bingo. Glad there are others that stick up for Hillman and recognize that CJ is limited. I have a feeling so many b****ing about Hillman also were claiming that our defense sucks.

Is Anderson limited? Sure.

Is Anderson better than Hillman? Yes.

WolfpackGuy
01-18-2016, 07:31 PM
I hope it was just a miscommunication. Green starts right at the snap, then moves out to the outside rusher. Not sure who Harris was thinking he had. You can see Green going up to him to say something after the play.


Regardless, CJ has to make a better effort to pick up the block. His only job on that play was to block.

He had to have been the help, and definitely wasn't expecting a free runner that soon. Maybe everyone read Harrison would be dropping.

Luckily that wasn't an actual handoff.

BroncoBeavis
01-18-2016, 07:39 PM
I hope it was just a miscommunication. Green starts right at the snap, then moves out to the outside rusher. Not sure who Harris was thinking he had. You can see Green going up to him to say something after the play.


Regardless, CJ has to make a better effort to pick up the block. His only job on that play was to block.

Hillman in that situation would've been flung like a bowling pin from the 3 slot, possibly decapitating Virgil Green in the process.

SVine
01-18-2016, 07:44 PM
He had to have been the help, and definitely wasn't expecting a free runner that soon. Maybe everyone read Harrison would be dropping.

Luckily that wasn't an actual handoff.

If it's an actual handoff, Harris would know this and approach this play differently and hopefully know his assignment would be Harrison. If so, then this play would have had huge yards written all over it.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2016, 09:01 PM
Hillman in that situation would've been flung like a bowling pin from the 3 slot, possibly decapitating Virgil Green in the process.

I just pictured that. All I could do was.


Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

wolf754life
01-18-2016, 10:04 PM
Hillman is fine, a lot more guts and waay tougher than CJ "I'm tweaked again ANderson"

ZONA
01-18-2016, 10:39 PM
Harris played that off nicely.

Didn't even both turning around.

Yeah, you can see Green walking over to him to say WTF, I had the outside guy, you got the inside guy.

broncocalijohn
01-18-2016, 10:48 PM
Is Anderson limited? Sure.

Is Anderson better than Hillman? Yes.

Wasn't the question. Is CJ better at pass protection? No.
Do so many think CJ should be in the vast majority of the snaps? Yes.
Are they wrong? Yep!

USMCBladerunner
01-18-2016, 11:24 PM
I think that CJ has a lot more potential, but he does get dinged up a lot. He had some good protections and some not so good. He was definitely decleated by Harrison.

wicked bronco
01-18-2016, 11:32 PM
CJ would get more snaps if he was better than Hillman. Fact is the O-line is not good and Hillman manages to make something out of nothing more often that CJ does.

KevinJames
01-19-2016, 12:48 AM
I think we are set at RB I would sign both CJ and Hillman also the reason why Hillman is in more is hes a much better pass catcher and pass protector.

Hillman good on third down, faster, pass pro, catching the ball.

Anderson better vision, more powerful, and overall better runner.


We need to stick with the committee we got I think its a good one once we get a solid o-line they can be two thousand yard backs easily.

BroncoBeavis
01-19-2016, 01:58 AM
CJ would get more snaps if he was better than Hillman. Fact is the O-line is not good and Hillman manages to make something out of nothing more often that CJ does.

Hillman had 4.2 YPC this season
CJ had 4.7

Doggcow
01-19-2016, 03:47 AM
Hillman had 4.2 YPC this season
CJ had 4.7

To be fair, a lot of CJ's "work" is done after the D is worn out in the 4th

2KBack
01-19-2016, 03:56 AM
CJ would get more snaps if he was better than Hillman. Fact is the O-line is not good and Hillman manages to make something out of nothing more often that CJ does.

Actually Hillman makes nothing out of something quite a bit. He goes horizontal far too often. He needs to learn to cutback.

jmz313
01-19-2016, 05:59 AM
CJ is better in ever facade of the Game, except 3rd down wide open catches against teh Steelers in the Playoffs. i'm giving the edge to Hillman there 1-0.

CJ is especially better at Pass Pro and running for yardage. Hillman is getting better with vision and patience BUT still attempts to force a bigger gain when its not there. Hence he goes for 0 yards on plays he should be getting 2-3. CJ rumbles them for 3-4yds. with our overall poor O-line play, that's why you have that .5 YPC discrepancy.

My opinion and unless you got the coaches film and 30 hours to go through the whole season with me, I'll believe what i saw every game.

2KBack
01-19-2016, 06:06 AM
People forget that Hillman had a very similar pass drop in that game.

Steve Prefontaine
01-19-2016, 06:33 AM
Lol by a good 40 pounds. Harrison is 37 years old and listed at 242. Do you think CJ is 200 pounds now?

Age has nothing to do with weight. I bet you've gained more as you got older.

LOL at going by the listed weight on ESPN. You really think Harrison is that close to 242? You must believe Brock is 6'8".

DBroncos4life
01-19-2016, 06:44 AM
Age has nothing to do with weight. I bet you've gained more as you got older.

LOL at going by the listed weight on ESPN. You really think Harrison is that close to 242? You must believe Brock is 6'8".

He's older slower and not near the player he used to be. He hasn't gained more muscle weight because he has aged either.

Brock is less than 6'7" a whole inch and a half different from his espn size. Not that I even looked at that site to get Harrisons weight.

You still didn't answer the question about how much you think Anderson weights though? You must think his list weight is right. Hilarious!

DENVERDUI55
01-19-2016, 06:46 AM
This is why CJ isn't in there more. Esp for pass protection.

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Well there isn't many RB's who can block Harrison 1-1.

DENVERDUI55
01-19-2016, 06:48 AM
Manning supposed to be a GOD at audibling, the correct audible here is a CJ draw. With a CJ draw audibled, freeing up Mathis, Harris, and Paradis to rumble down the middle of the field blocking has a very good chance to be a 22 yard CJ Anderson touchdown.

A draw there would of had the same result. Harris blew his block on Harrison.

Steve Prefontaine
01-19-2016, 06:58 AM
He's older slower and not near the player he used to be. He hasn't gained more muscle weight because he has aged either.

Brock is less than 6'7" a whole inch and a half different from his espn size. Not that I even looked at that site to get Harrisons weight.

You still didn't answer the question about how much you think Anderson weights though? You must think his list weight is right. Hilarious!

My point with Brock is listed heights/weights are inaccurate.

CJ weighs about 220.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28363233/anderson-dropping-weight-not-workload

Oh, and great analysis on Harrison losing strength in his old age.

500 pound bench. 500 pound deadlift. What a p***Y.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/watch-steelers-lb-james-harrison-bench-press-500-pounds--video-181046147.html

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/07/is-james-harrison-pound-for-pound-the-strongest-player-in-the-league/

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2015/4/14/8417615/james-harrison-matches-vince-williams-sled-challenge-and-adds-weight

Here is a reference of Harrison weighing 270+

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison shows off his remarkable strength by doing push-ups with Maurkice Pouncey casually sitting on his back.

Harrison weighs in at 275 pounds but Pouncey is actually almost 30 pounds heavier. Phenomenal effort.

http://www.joe.ie/sport/nfl-star-james-harrison-does-push-ups-with-his-300-pound-team-mate-sitting-on-his-back/474103

Do a bit of research before you come off as a total douche next time.

BroncoBeavis
01-19-2016, 07:03 AM
Well there isn't many RB's who can block Harrison 1-1.

Especially when Harrison has a 3-yard head of steam.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2016, 07:27 AM
My point with Brock is listed heights/weights are inaccurate.

CJ weighs about 220.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28363233/anderson-dropping-weight-not-workload

Oh, and great analysis on Harrison losing strength in his old age.

500 pound bench. 500 pound deadlift. What a p***Y.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/watch-steelers-lb-james-harrison-bench-press-500-pounds--video-181046147.html

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/07/is-james-harrison-pound-for-pound-the-strongest-player-in-the-league/

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2015/4/14/8417615/james-harrison-matches-vince-williams-sled-challenge-and-adds-weight

Here is a reference of Harrison weighing 270+

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison shows off his remarkable strength by doing push-ups with Maurkice Pouncey casually sitting on his back.



http://www.joe.ie/sport/nfl-star-james-harrison-does-push-ups-with-his-300-pound-team-mate-sitting-on-his-back/474103

Do a bit of research before you come off as a total douche next time.

I never said he was weaker as he got older I said he got slower. He was about out the NFL so I doubt he would trade size for what ever quickness he has left, but if you believe that than go right ahead.
The dude is shorter than Dumervil and I highly doubt he would keep the 275 pound weight you are claiming all the way to January anyway. I know joe.ie is my go to sports site! Thanks for the great site!

Steve Prefontaine
01-19-2016, 07:30 AM
I never said he was weaker as he got older I said he got slower. He was about out the NFL so I doubt he would trade size for what ever quickness he has left, but if you believe that than go right ahead.
The dude is shorter than Dumervil and I highly doubt he would keep the 275 pound weight you are claiming all the way to January anyway. I know joe.ie is my go to sports site! Thanks for the great site!

You're welcome. Like I said, just do a little research next time to save the embarrassment.

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