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Rohirrim
08-22-2014, 08:44 AM
Of course, sticking to his snake in the grass credentials from his KGB days, he pretends that it's a "relief" mission.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/russian-aid-convoy-ukraine_n_5698820.html

orinjkrush
08-22-2014, 10:18 AM
brinksmanship at its finest. i guess our first signal will be a really bright fireball.

Mecklomaniac
08-22-2014, 01:27 PM
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Rohirrim
08-22-2014, 01:58 PM
Not a bash Obama thread. Okay? Start your own if you feel the need so deeply.

Rohirrim
08-22-2014, 03:26 PM
NATO reports that Russia is moving artillery into Ukraine.

mhgaffney
08-22-2014, 04:10 PM
Unbelievable twaddle.

You call an aid convoy of water, sleeping bags and food an "offensive"?

MHG

DenverBrit
08-22-2014, 04:35 PM
It's a typical Putin move; overstep and see what kind of push-back occurs.

Trojan horse comes to mind.

W*GS
08-22-2014, 06:09 PM
Unbelievable twaddle.

You call an aid convoy of water, sleeping bags and food an "offensive"?

Right on cue, der gaffen-fuehrer swallowing Putin's spooge.

mhgaffney
08-25-2014, 02:15 PM
It's a typical Putin move; overstep and see what kind of push-back occurs.

Trojan horse comes to mind.

What a bunch of lunatics.

Blind idiots.

mhgaffney
08-25-2014, 02:16 PM
First trucks with Russian aid reach Lugansk, E. Ukraine

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/22/first-trucks-with-russian-aid-reach-lugansk-e-ukraine/

DenverBrit
08-25-2014, 03:50 PM
What a bunch of lunatics.

Blind idiots.

Quieten down Gaffney, you'll stroke out.

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/03-MAR/MAD-Magazine-Putin-I-Want-Ukraine_5317628cdbc988.19882059.jpg

Rohirrim
08-26-2014, 07:58 AM
What a bunch of lunatics.

Blind idiots.

Ukraine captures contingent of armed Russian paratroopers infiltrating on some unknown mission which they won't admit to. Russia says they just got lost (and Gaffo believes them). :rofl:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/ukraine-russian-soldiers_n_5714555.html

Meck77
08-26-2014, 09:05 AM
Unbelievable twaddle.

You call an aid convoy of water, sleeping bags and food an "offensive"?

MHG

They also dropped off weapons and pillaged a weapons factory and took out equipment. They just opened up another war front from the south today.

Are you still denying that russia has anything to do with the war? You really think it's local Ukainians who went to the neighborhood corner to buy Tanks, surface to air missles, grad rockets?

mhgaffney
08-26-2014, 12:39 PM
They also dropped off weapons and pillaged a weapons factory and took out equipment. They just opened up another war front from the south today.

Are you still denying that russia has anything to do with the war? You really think it's local Ukainians who went to the neighborhood corner to buy Tanks, surface to air missles, grad rockets?

What is your source, the Kiev government? CNN? FOX? Which have reported the Kiev party line without question.

I won't be surprised in Putin decides to send Russian forces in -- given what is happening. But if he does the result will be decisive - and it will happen quickly.

Meck77
08-26-2014, 12:51 PM
What is your source, the Kiev government? CNN? FOX? Which have reported the Kiev party line without question.

I won't be surprised in Putin decides to send Russian forces in -- given what is happening. But if he does the result will be decisive - and it will happen quickly.

Family, friends, direct contact with battalion leaders that I have sent donation to.

How about you?

mhgaffney
08-26-2014, 01:38 PM
AUG 25, 2014 3:13PM ET /

Ukraine President Dissolves Parliament, Calls for Early Elections in October
SHIRLEY LI

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/08/ukraine-president-dissolves-parliament/379095/

Evidently Ukraine's Parliament is not supporting Poroshenko war policy -- so he dissolves Parliament. How convenient. MHG

Rohirrim
08-26-2014, 01:46 PM
What is your source, the Kiev government? CNN? FOX? Which have reported the Kiev party line without question.

I won't be surprised in Putin decides to send Russian forces in -- given what is happening. But if he does the result will be decisive - and it will happen quickly.

Hey, Gaffo! Have you ever read up on your hero?
http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

mhgaffney
08-26-2014, 01:48 PM
Family, friends, direct contact with battalion leaders that I have sent donation to.

How about you?

Why am I skeptical? Check this out.

Here's an example of the NY Times lying to us. Check it out. The article regurgitates the propaganda in the headline and in the story about a Russian attack -- but admits at the very end that "There were no signs of Russian military vehicles or any other indications of an armed escort by Russian troops".
MHG

EUROPE

Russians Open Fire in Ukraine, NATO Reports
By ANDREW HIGGINS and MICHAEL R. GORDONAUG. 22, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/europe/russian-convoy-ukraine.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=2

mhgaffney
08-26-2014, 01:53 PM
I have no way of confirming or refuting Mock's sources in Ukraine. But clearly the US press is not credible -- nor is the Kiev government.

The following skeptical piece is worth a look. MHG

AUGUST 25, 2014

NATO – New York Times Convoy Fabrications
by RENEE PARSONS

On Saturday, the entire humanitarian convoy of 227 trucks crossed back into Russia without incident after having successfully delivered its contents to the Luhansk distribution center. The unwavering round trip project from Russia surmounted considerable bureaucratic delays and political obstacles including wild assertions that the convoy’s true purpose was to ‘smuggle weapons’ to the east Ukraine rebels.

Amidst a multitude of frenzied claims from the Kiev government and its western allies that the convoy was intent on fomenting violence and escalating the conflict as it constituted an ‘illegal incursion” and ‘violated the sovereignty of Ukraine,” the trucks peacefully avoided any confrontation with Ukraine military forces by taking advantage of back roads.

Given the very urgent need to provide immediate medical relief and other life necessities to Ukraine citizens, what has been especially noteworthy during the ten day period in which the Russian convoy was stalled at the border is the extent to which the Kiev government and its EU/US/NATO partners would go to impede a convoy carrying humanitarian supplies.

Now that the mission has been successfully completed without any of the predicted dire consequences, the considerable amount of egg on the collective public faces of its opponents who deliberately provoked an unnecessary combative situation would normally be cause for considerable public embarrassment; yet will be easily overlooked by an obedient submissive media.

Obviously, the leaders of the western triumvirate were fully conscious of the fact that the convoy was totally dedicated for humanitarian purposes but sought to use the convoy as part of the larger goal of sowing the seeds of distrust and hostility toward Russia and toward Vladimir Putin in particular.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/25/nato-new-york-times-convoy-fabrications/

mhgaffney
08-26-2014, 01:58 PM
Hey, Gaffo! Have you ever read up on your hero?
http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

You seem strangely uninterested in the several millions of Iraqis and Afghanis the US has murdered since 2001.

US leaders are directly responsible -- and these are war crimes. Those lives don't count?

You invariably revert back to your jaundiced and anachronistic world view. You will very predictably wave the red/white/blue right on cue if/when the US decides to up the ante to a wider war in eastern Europe.

In short, you will march in lock step with the rest over the edge...

MHG

bronco militia
08-26-2014, 02:10 PM
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Rohirrim
08-26-2014, 02:24 PM
You seem strangely uninterested in the several millions of Iraqis and Afghanis the US has murdered since 2001.

US leaders are directly responsible -- and these are war crimes. Those lives don't count?

You invariably revert back to your jaundiced and anachronistic world view. You will very predictably wave the red/white/blue right on cue if/when the US decides to up the ante to a wider war in eastern Europe.

In short, you will march in lock step with the rest over the edge...

MHG

Man! Was that a clumsy deflection. You've got to work on your chops.

DenverBrit
08-26-2014, 02:55 PM
Putin is seen clearly for what he is, a KGB thug who has stolen billions from the Russian people.

Gaffney sees a hero, a man to be admired. :loopy:

W*GS
08-26-2014, 05:59 PM
How NATO Could Confront the Putin Doctrine (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/08/26/how_nato_could_confront_the_putin_doctrine_petro_p oroshenko_belarus)

barryr
08-26-2014, 07:19 PM
Putin is just in bad timing right now. If a republican was in the WH, he'd have more friends, namely liberals, especially if he made a joke out of that president like he's done to Obama. Because it's Obama, he's evil. I think Putin is a creep and I think that no matter who is in the WH. I wish more people would be honest and stop this depends on politics crap in these matters.

Meck77
08-26-2014, 07:24 PM
Gaffo there is a ton of video all over the internet of the "Ukrainian Rebels" admitting they came from Russia.

Gaff I get you are sympathetic to Russia but the russian's aren't even trying to hide the fact they have invaded Ukraine. Uh remember what happened in Crimea recently?

The citizens are being armed across the country right now. If the russians think they are going to waltz through the country they are sadly mistaken. There is a multi million man army ready to kill Russians.

I get you are big on questioning the media/America but to push putin's BS propaganda? Meh it's all good. Even the average American understands that Russian tanks are rolling through Ukraine right now. It's much harder for dictators like Putin to fool the world anymore. I guess he doesn't realize most people have cell phones linked to youtube! lol He's an idiot.

“There’s an old Russian joke,” a Ukrainian named Oleksandr told me, as we drove down a steep winding road on the outskirts of Kiev. “Russia has two problems: roads and fools.” He paused to negotiate a particularly tight corner, grunting as he leaned into the steering wheel. “Well, in Ukraine we have three problems: roads, fools and Russians.”

Rohirrim
08-27-2014, 02:38 PM
Looks like the invasion is on:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html?_r=0

ghwk
08-27-2014, 02:41 PM
Gaffo there is a ton of video all over the internet of the "Ukrainian Rebels" admitting they came from Russia.

Gaff I get you are sympathetic to Russia but the russian's aren't even trying to hide the fact they have invaded Ukraine. Uh remember what happened in Crimea recently?

The citizens are being armed across the country right now. If the russians think they are going to waltz through the country they are sadly mistaken. There is a multi million man army ready to kill Russians.

I get you are big on questioning the media/America but to push putin's BS propaganda? Meh it's all good. Even the average American understands that Russian tanks are rolling through Ukraine right now. It's much harder for dictators like Putin to fool the world anymore. I guess he doesn't realize most people have cell phones linked to youtube! lol He's an idiot.

“There’s an old Russian joke,” a Ukrainian named Oleksandr told me, as we drove down a steep winding road on the outskirts of Kiev. “Russia has two problems: roads and fools.” He paused to negotiate a particularly tight corner, grunting as he leaned into the steering wheel. “Well, in Ukraine we have three problems: roads, fools and Russians.”

LOL, that was funny. Gaff still won't get it.

mhgaffney
08-27-2014, 04:14 PM
Gaffo there is a ton of video all over the internet of the "Ukrainian Rebels" admitting they came from Russia.

Gaff I get you are sympathetic to Russia but the russian's aren't even trying to hide the fact they have invaded Ukraine. Uh remember what happened in Crimea recently?

The citizens are being armed across the country right now. If the russians think they are going to waltz through the country they are sadly mistaken. There is a multi million man army ready to kill Russians.

I get you are big on questioning the media/America but to push putin's BS propaganda? Meh it's all good. Even the average American understands that Russian tanks are rolling through Ukraine right now. It's much harder for dictators like Putin to fool the world anymore. I guess he doesn't realize most people have cell phones linked to youtube! lol He's an idiot.

“There’s an old Russian joke,” a Ukrainian named Oleksandr told me, as we drove down a steep winding road on the outskirts of Kiev. “Russia has two problems: roads and fools.” He paused to negotiate a particularly tight corner, grunting as he leaned into the steering wheel. “Well, in Ukraine we have three problems: roads, fools and Russians.”

I don't support propaganda from any side.

Problem is, we are getting it 24 X 7 here from our own slavish media that just parrots the US gov't line.

And because the US government was captured by the US corporate-financial elite long ago -- this means the US government is simply doing the bidding of Wall Street.

The stuff Russia is putting out -- hate to say it -- but it's more truthful than what we are getting from our side. This is a disgrace -- but true enough.

Look back over recent years. Since 2001, it's the US that has attacked and destroyed other nations -- not Russia.

The world polls reflect this. The people of earth overwhelming fear US aggression --not a threat from Russia.
MHG

Meck77
08-27-2014, 06:21 PM
Looks like the invasion is on:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html?_r=0

Yes it is. Putin just met with Uki president Porshenko in Minsk yesterday and putin flat out lied saying Russia has nothing to do with the war going on in Ukraine. Next ****ing day he opens up another war front. My facebook is blowing up with photos and reports from people on the ground there.

Gaffo now do you believe it? They even caught 10 paratroopers who admitted they were russian soldiers. They're excuse. We made a mistake and didn't know we were in Ukraine.

Forget Iraq. This **** could hit the fan much faster. The russians even went on record saying they could take poland if they want.

Meck77
08-27-2014, 06:31 PM
The mothers of the Russian paratroopers begging to have their sons returned from Ukraine. Gaffo there are tons of youtube clips of guys from Russia being interviewed. Tweets, posts, videos of them bragging about killing Ukrainians. There are hundreds of tanks roaming the streets of Eastern Ukraine now. Where do you propose they came from if not Russia?

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Meck77
08-27-2014, 09:35 PM
Putin may have learned something from Assad in Syria. Interesting read.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/27/6069415/lets-be-clear-about-this-russia-is-invading-ukraine-right-now


EDIT!

NATO has jumped in.

DenverBrit
08-28-2014, 06:42 AM
Russian media report 'invasion of Ukraine'

Reports that Russian troops are intervening directly in the fighting in south-east Ukraine have started to appear in Russian media, despite repeated denials from the Kremlin.

Newspapers and websites are quoting mainly Ukrainian and Western media reports about a Russian invasion, but some have also started to ask whether Moscow is now "fighting a war".

Many Russian social media users, however, say they have no doubt that Ukraine has been "attacked".

They echo sentiments in the Ukrainian twitter-sphere where #russiainvadesukraine, #StopPutin, and #UkraineUnderAttack have become the top trending hashtags.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28965597

Rohirrim
08-28-2014, 08:05 AM
I wonder if the Europeans have the balls to stand up to Putin?

mhgaffney
08-28-2014, 08:40 AM
The mothers of the Russian paratroopers begging to have their sons returned from Ukraine. Gaffo there are tons of youtube clips of guys from Russia being interviewed. Tweets, posts, videos of them bragging about killing Ukrainians. There are hundreds of tanks roaming the streets of Eastern Ukraine now. Where do you propose they came from if not Russia?

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I suspect this is just another front in the propaganda war against Russia.

If Putin had intervened the Russian air force and army would have swept the rag tag Ukrainian fascist army aside within 24 hours.

Have there been reports of attacks by the Russian AF? No. Why not? Because it is much more difficult to fake aerial assaults.

I sympathize with the Ukrainian people, Meck, but they are now just pawns in a game being played by Wall Street.

MHG

Rohirrim
08-28-2014, 08:44 AM
I suspect this is just another front in the propaganda war against Russia.

If Putin had intervened the Russian air force and army would have swept the rag tag Ukrainian fascist army aside within 24 hours.

Have there been reports of attacks by the Russian AF? No. Why not? Because it is much more difficult to fake aerial assaults.

I sympathize with the Ukrainian people, Meck, but they are now just pawns in a game being played by Wall Street.

MHG

I have to chuckle. I hope you never stop posting. You are so misguided that you provide comic relief.

Meck77
08-28-2014, 08:52 AM
I suspect this is just another front in the propaganda war against Russia.

If Putin had intervened the Russian air force and army would have swept the rag tag Ukrainian fascist army aside within 24 hours.

Have there been reports of attacks by the Russian AF? No. Why not? Because it is much more difficult to fake aerial assaults.

I sympathize with the Ukrainian people, Meck, but they are now just pawns in a game being played by Wall Street.

MHG

Dude they shot down a friggen commercial jetliner! Here gaffo maybe they hundreds of pictures up to the minute updates will help you stay in touch with what is going on. This is one of many sources. All show the same thing. Interviews with russian soliders, satellite images, pictures, first hand accounts, family on the ground. Do you even deny that russia moved in on Crimea still? http://liveuamap.com/

mhgaffney
08-28-2014, 10:48 AM
Dude they shot down a friggen commercial jetliner! Here gaffo maybe they hundreds of pictures up to the minute updates will help you stay in touch with what is going on. This is one of many sources. All show the same thing. Interviews with russian soliders, satellite images, pictures, first hand accounts, family on the ground. Do you even deny that russia moved in on Crimea still? http://liveuamap.com/

No they did not.

You are soooo easy to manipulate.

MH-17 was shot down by the Ukrainians. End of story. The US had spy satellites looking down on Ukraine. If Russia or the pro Russian separatists had shot it down -- be assured the US would have pasted satellite photos all over the Internet. This evidence would have been featured on all news channels. But we heard nada.

This tells us the US has zero evidence that the Russians did it. Indeed, the US knows full well that Kiev was behind it.

MHG

mhgaffney
08-28-2014, 10:52 AM
I have to chuckle. I hope you never stop posting. You are so misguided that you provide comic relief.

Where are the Youtube videos of Russian fighters strafing the Ukrainian army?

There is no Russian invasion.

I recommend you read this analysis by Israel Shamir.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-guns-of-august-duel-of-nerves-between-russia-and-america/5397119

Meck77
08-28-2014, 11:00 AM
No they did not.

You are soooo easy to manipulate.

MH-17 was shot down by the Ukrainians. End of story. The US had spy satellites looking down on Ukraine. If Russia or the pro Russian separatists had shot it down -- be assured the US would have pasted satellite photos all over the Internet. This evidence would have been featured on all news channels. But we heard nada.

This tells us the US has zero evidence that the Russians did it. Indeed, the US knows full well that Kiev was behind it.

MHG
That entire area was controlled by the russians/and the few sympathetic to them. There weren't ukrainian troops anywhere near there...anyway.

Gaffo what are you going to do when Russia finally admits they have infact invaded ukraine? would you believe it then? They are trying to take over all the land adjacent to black sea to add to crimea. It's very obvious and clear. They want even more but that is the short term goal. Can you even agree to that?

DenverBrit
08-28-2014, 11:07 AM
Gaffney still in denial that his hero, Putin is lying though his teeth again.

Ukraine crisis: Nato images 'show Russia troops'

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77221000/jpg/_77221029_023659940-1.jpg

This satellite image provided by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe shows what Nato identifies as Russian self-propelled artillery in Ukraine

Nato has released satellite images it says show Russian armed forces inside Ukrainian territory to help rebels fight government forces.

Ukraine's president held a security council meeting on Thursday over the "sharp aggravation of the situation". Russia has denied the claims.

Earlier, rebels opened a new front in the south by seizing the coastal town of Novoazovsk.

At least 2,119 people have been killed in four months of fighting.

Amid condemnation from Western powers, the United Nations Security Council is to hold an emergency meeting in New York on Thursday at 18:00 GMT to discuss the crisis.

'Significant escalation'

Nato Brigadier General Niko Tak said more than 1,000 Russian troops were operating inside Ukraine, both supporting the separatists and fighting on their side.

He told the BBC there had been a "significant escalation in the level and sophistication of Russia's military interference in Ukraine" over the past two weeks.

"[Nato has] detected large quantities of advanced weapons, including air defence systems, artillery, tanks, and armoured personnel carriers being transferred to separatist forces in eastern Ukraine," he said.

"Russia is reinforcing and resupplying separatist forces in a blatant attempt to change the momentum of the fighting, which is currently favouring the Ukrainian military."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28972878

mhgaffney
08-28-2014, 11:07 AM
When you see the US media doing this kind of reporting -- you know (or should know) that we are being fed propaganda -- not news.

MHG

DenverBrit
08-28-2014, 11:10 AM
When you see the US media doing this kind of reporting -- you know (or should know) that we are being fed propaganda -- not news.

MHG

The media worldwide is reporting on this story, get out from your Putin bubble, you're making an ass of yourself.....again!

War, not peace
The evidence of Russian incursions into eastern Ukraine becomes ever clearer
THE war in Ukraine is intensifying, as Russia’s incursions into the east of the country become ever more brazen. On August 27th a column of Russian troops and equipment crossed the Russia-Ukraine border in the far south, at Novoazovsk, in an apparent attempt to open a new front outside the rebel-held areas and closer to Crimea. Ukraine’s security services released videos of ten Russian soldiers captured in eastern Ukraine. Reports have surfaced in Russia of mysterious funerals for members of Pskov’s 76th Airborne Division. As The Economist went to press, NATO was releasing photographic evidence showing that as many as 1,000 Russian soldiers are now in eastern Ukraine. And Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine’s president, declared baldly that “an invasion of Russian forces has taken place.”
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21614190-evidence-russian-incursions-eastern-ukraine-becomes-ever-clearer-war-not-peace

Meck77
08-28-2014, 11:25 AM
I think we need to rename gaffo

gaffnikov! He must be russian. He's pushing the same BS many of the russkies lovers are pushing online.

The united states isn't truly admitting it's an invasion either. The reason why is if they do that forces them to actually decide to take or stand or decide to ignore it. If they keep playing Putins game they can pretend they are concerned.

The reality is the Russians have gotten their asses kicked in the first assault after crimea. The russians are burying their guys like dogs. When a guy is sent from Russia it's been a one way trip as they don't want him back. Look at Igor Girken. Gaffinokov do you even know that name?

They have sent in serious reinforcements though. Putin underestimated the Ukrainians and the fact that very few actually sided with the Russian army.

W*GS
08-28-2014, 11:33 AM
Comrade gaffnikov!

I like it.

mhgaffney
08-30-2014, 12:56 PM
The latest report about NATO mobilizing a strike force to counter Russia in Ukraine tends to support Mike Whitney's view that the pro separatists are kicking the bejesus out of the neo fascist Ukrainian army.

This would also explain the accusations from Kiev and Obama that Russian troops crossed the border. The reality is that if Putin had wanted to invade and reoccupy Ukraine he would have already done so -- weeks ago.
MHG

WEEKEND EDITION AUGUST 29-31, 2014


Washington's "Pivot" hits a Brick Wall
Obama’s “Catastrophic Defeat” in Ukraine
by MIKE WHITNEY

Barack Obama has pushed Ukraine to the brink of political, economic and social collapse. Now he wants to blame Russia for the damage he’s done. It’s absurd. Moscow is in no way responsible for Ukraine’s descent into anarchy. That’s all Washington’s doing, just as Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria were Washington’s doing. If you want to blame someone, blame Obama.begging slogans3

Ukraine’s troubles began when the US State Department toppled the elected president in February and replaced him with a compliant stooge who agreed to follow Washington’s directives. The new “junta” government quickly launched a full-blown war against Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east which split the civilian population and drove the country to ruin. The plan “pacify” the East was concocted in Washington, not Kiev and certainly not Moscow.

Moscow has repeatedly called for an end to the violence and a resumption of negotiations, but each request has been rebuffed by Obama’s puppet in Kiev leading to another round of hostilities. Washington doesn’t want peace. Washington wants the same solution it imposed on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, that is, a chaotic failed state where ethnic and sectarian animosities are kept at a boiling point so forward-operating bases can be established without resistance, so resources can be extracted at will, and so a formally-independent nation can be reduced to a “permanent state of colonial dependency.” (Chomsky) That’s the basic gameplan wherever Washington goes. The same rule applies to Ukraine. The only choice the people have is to arm themselves and fight back. Which is what they’ve done.

Donetsk and Lugansk have formed militias and taken the war to the enemy. They’ve engaged Obama’s proxy-army on the battlefield and pounded it into mincemeat. That’s why Obama deployed his propagandists to lie about the fictitious “Russian invasion”. The administration needs a diversion because the Novorussia forces (aka-the “pro Russia separatists”) are kicking the holy crap out of Obama’s legions.

That’s why Washington and Kiev are in full panic-mode, because none of this was supposed to happen. Obama figured the army would put down the insurrection, crush the resistance, and move him one step closer to his goal of establishing NATO bases and missile defense systems on Russia’s western flank.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/29/obamas-catastrophic-defeat-in-ukraine/

W*GS
08-30-2014, 01:01 PM
Another day, another instance of comrade gaffnikov being Putin's beatch boy.

mhgaffney
08-30-2014, 01:04 PM
I'm not surprised that most on the board can't tell fact from fiction. The propaganda machine has been working 24X7 for so long that the average American is little better than a walking zombie.

Putin could have retaken Ukraine easily if that were his objective. He values trade with Europe, hence, diplomacy, more than the small territories of eastern Ukraine.

I suspect he is sending some arms across the border to assuage chis own critics who say he is not doing enough to help the separatists.
MHG

Washington Piles Lie Upon Lie
By Paul Craig Roberts

August 29, 2014 "ICH" - The latest Washington lie, this one coming from NATO, is that Russia has invaded Ukraine with 1,000 troops and self-propelled artillery.

How do we know that this is a lie? Is it because we have heard nothing but lies about Russia from NATO, from US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, from assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland, from Obama and his entire regime of pathological liars, and from the British, German, and French governments along with the BBC and the entirety of the Western media?

This, of course, is a good reason for knowing that the latest Western propaganda is a lie. Those who are pathological liars don’t suddenly start telling the truth.

But there are even better reasons for understanding that Russia has not invaded Ukraine with 1,000 troops.

One reason is that Putin has invested heavily in diplomacy backed by unprovocative behavior. He would not risk his bet on diplomacy by sending in troops too few in number to have a decisive effect on the outcome.

Another reason is that if Putin decides he has no alternative to sending the Russian military to protect the Russian residents in eastern and southern Ukraine, Putin will send in enough troops to do the job quickly as he did in Georgia when the American and Israeli trained Georgian army invaded South Ossetia and was destroyed in a few hours by the Russian response. If you hear that 100,000 Russian troops accompanied by air cover have invaded Ukraine, it would be a more believable claim.

A third reason is that the Russian military does not need to send troops into Ukraine in order to stop the bombing and artillery shelling of the Russian populations by Washington’s puppet government in Kiev. The Russian air force can easily and quickly destroy the Ukrainian air force and artillery and, thereby, stop the Ukrainian attack on the secessionist provinces.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39537.htm

DenverBrit
08-30-2014, 01:17 PM
Gaffnisky volunteers as Putin's mine sweeper, clearing the way for the jackboots..

http://thefunnyplace.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Meanwhile-in-mother-russia.jpg

mhgaffney
08-30-2014, 01:21 PM
The US policy of provocation is incredibly reckless.

Imagine a situation where Americans were being bombed and killed in northern Mexico. Do you think the US government would hesitate to act to defend them? Of course not.

We'd probably invade Mexico -- bomb Mexico city -- etc etc

Putin has tried to use diplomacy -- but diplomacy takes both sides -- and the US is not interested.
MHG

DenverBrit
08-30-2014, 01:33 PM
The US policy of provocation is incredibly reckless.

Imagine a situation where Americans were being bombed and killed in northern Mexico. Do you think the US government would hesitate to act to defend them? Of course not.

We'd probably invade Mexico -- bomb Mexico city -- etc etc

Putin has tried to use diplomacy -- but diplomacy takes both sides -- and the US is not interested.
MHG

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6147472640/h2EF90D74/

Rohirrim
08-30-2014, 01:42 PM
I'm not surprised that most on the board can't tell fact from fiction. The propaganda machine has been working 24X7 for so long that the average American is little better than a walking zombie.

Putin could have retaken Ukraine easily if that were his objective. He values trade with Europe, hence, diplomacy, more than the small territories of eastern Ukraine.

I suspect he is sending some arms across the border to assuage chis own critics who say he is not doing enough to help the separatists.
MHG

Washington Piles Lie Upon Lie
By Paul Craig Roberts

August 29, 2014 "ICH" - The latest Washington lie, this one coming from NATO, is that Russia has invaded Ukraine with 1,000 troops and self-propelled artillery.

How do we know that this is a lie? Is it because we have heard nothing but lies about Russia from NATO, from US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, from assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland, from Obama and his entire regime of pathological liars, and from the British, German, and French governments along with the BBC and the entirety of the Western media?

This, of course, is a good reason for knowing that the latest Western propaganda is a lie. Those who are pathological liars don’t suddenly start telling the truth.

But there are even better reasons for understanding that Russia has not invaded Ukraine with 1,000 troops.

One reason is that Putin has invested heavily in diplomacy backed by unprovocative behavior. He would not risk his bet on diplomacy by sending in troops too few in number to have a decisive effect on the outcome.

Another reason is that if Putin decides he has no alternative to sending the Russian military to protect the Russian residents in eastern and southern Ukraine, Putin will send in enough troops to do the job quickly as he did in Georgia when the American and Israeli trained Georgian army invaded South Ossetia and was destroyed in a few hours by the Russian response. If you hear that 100,000 Russian troops accompanied by air cover have invaded Ukraine, it would be a more believable claim.

A third reason is that the Russian military does not need to send troops into Ukraine in order to stop the bombing and artillery shelling of the Russian populations by Washington’s puppet government in Kiev. The Russian air force can easily and quickly destroy the Ukrainian air force and artillery and, thereby, stop the Ukrainian attack on the secessionist provinces.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39537.htm

You'd think that, since Obama has been such a cunning Machiavellian in Ukraine, he'd have a much better plan for Syria.

mhgaffney
08-30-2014, 01:52 PM
You have already forgotten that Obama's plan for Syria (a year ago) was direct US intervention?

We are extremely lucky that policy never happened.

Rohirrim
08-31-2014, 08:15 PM
Putin sends out his thugs against Russian politician who speaks out:

A Russian politician said on Saturday he had been badly beaten after publicizing the mysterious funerals of two soldiers who may have died while fighting in Ukraine.

Lev Shlosberg, a newspaper publisher who represents the liberal opposition Yabloko party in the regional assembly in the northwestern city of Pskov, said he was attacked on Friday evening near his home.

"They attacked me from behind, I did not see any of them," Shlosberg said in a phone interview from his hospital ward.

"Apparently, they knocked me unconscious with their first punch, threw me to the ground, beat me up and then ran away. Those people were very good professionals in their nasty business."

Shlosberg's paper published the investigation into the funerals of two Pskov-based paratroopers last week. The report added to a trail of evidence suggesting that Russian soldiers have been killed in eastern Ukraine, contradicting denials by Moscow that it is lending military support to separatist rebels there.

The report has raised awkward questions for the Kremlin. When a Reuters reporter went on Wednesday to the cemetery where the soldiers were alleged to have been buried, he was stopped from entering and threatened by two young men with shaven heads.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/lev-shlosberg_n_5741130.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

mhgaffney
08-31-2014, 08:51 PM
Thugs?

You are a person who never learns. Certainly not from history. I call you a clown because that's what you are.

FYI, thousands of Russian patriots -- ordinary people like you and me -- have been volunteering to go to Ukraine to fight the Kiev fascists alongside the separatists.

This is the view from Russia. You don't like it? Too ***cking bad. You need to expand your universe. Your known world is way too small. MHG

DenverBrit
08-31-2014, 10:17 PM
Good grief, Gaffney, you are really losing touch with reality.

Did Hitler liberate the Sudetenland and Poland? Putin is using exactly the same tactic.

The Lone Bolt
09-01-2014, 12:09 AM
Good grief, Gaffney, you are really losing touch with reality.

Did Hitler liberate the Sudetenland and Poland? Putin is using exactly the same tactic.

"Losing" touch? Have you read none of Gaffney's posts over the last few years? :saywhat:

theAPAOps5
09-01-2014, 12:16 AM
Thugs?

You are a person who never learns. Certainly not from history. I call you a clown because that's what you are.

FYI, thousands of Russian patriots -- ordinary people like you and me -- have been volunteering to go to Ukraine to fight the Kiev fascists alongside the separatists.

This is the view from Russia. You don't like it? Too *****ing bad. You need to expand your universe. Your known world is way too small. MHG

Jesus, this Jew hater is taking this to a whole new level

Rohirrim
09-01-2014, 07:29 AM
As is particularly the case when he is feeling on top, Putin has been unstoppably public lately. On Friday, he made an appearance at the annual Seliger youth camp, a project to build “patriotism” among Russian teens. Amid the warning to the West (“don’t mess with us”), which came coupled with a casual reminder “that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers,” Putin expounded on something new. He turned his attention to Kazakhstan, another former Soviet republic and one with a sizable Russian population. He praised its president and the economic integration the two countries have seen as part of the Moscow-led Customs Union, which, he said, “we will take … to its logical conclusion.” Most notably, he said that “the Kazakhs had never had statehood” until the Soviet Union fell apart. It was a comment remarkably similar to his notorious claim in 2008 that Ukraine was not a “real country.” “This is an extraordinary event,” wrote Nate Schenkkan, a central Asia analyst who dissected Putin’s comments at the camp.
Which is to say, those who think Putin will stop in Ukraine are misguided. His nationalism appears to be growing by the day, but it has old roots. Many people were confounded when Putin embraced Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Soviet dissident writer best known in the West for exposing Russia’s network of labor camps in The Gulag Archipelago and One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich. But later in life, working off the same deep Orthodox faith that once sustained him as an opponent to the atheist Soviet regime, Solzhenitsyn turned to a Slavic nationalism that made him appear sorely out of touch, but today has become increasingly fashionable. In a 1990 essay called “Rebuilding Russia,” he urged the creation of a Slavic state built on Russian Orthodoxy. It would encompass Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and northern Kazakhstan.
“Twenty years ago I wondered what would happen if Russia had a Milosevich,” said Toomas Hendrik Ilves, the president of Estonia. “Pan-Slavism, Orthodoxy, fascism. I think it’s heading in that direction.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/vladimir-putin-isnt-going-to-stop#3w2wq34

Gee. Putin makes no mention of Obama's plot against him. I wonder why?

cutthemdown
09-01-2014, 08:28 AM
It's actually amazing this isn't a bigger story. Putin is trying to bring back a new form of the Soviet Union. No communism but all the other great things that came with it.

elsid13
09-01-2014, 10:19 AM
Looks like Putin is pulling another one out of old Uncle Stalin's book.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1445124/russian-troops-reportedly-massacre-ukranian-soldiers-waving-white-flags/
Russian Troops Reportedly Massacre Ukrainian Soldiers Waving White Flags

Rohirrim
09-01-2014, 12:36 PM
Meanwhile, the UN works desperately to update the Munich Agreement and deliver it to King Putin on a satin pillow.

Bronco Yoda
09-01-2014, 01:06 PM
Putin is taking his land one settlement at a time. A little bite here... a little bite there. A bullshiat story here and a thrown in 'mind your own business' there. He's watched how we've looked the other way in regards to Israel for decades. He figures we'll do the same with them. If so, he's probably right then.

The news is covering ISIS while Russia and Israel are stealing land day by day and killing as they go.

mhgaffney
09-01-2014, 01:21 PM
Jesus, this Jew hater is taking this to a whole new level

The Jew haters are in Kiev, A-hole.

You watch too much FOX and CNN. The reality is that homegrown Ukrainian Neo Nazis were instrumental in the coup last February that brought the US puppet regime to power. It was another example of Operation Gladio.

Soon after, the rabbi in Kiev actually warned Ukrainian Jews to leave for their own safety. The threat was not coming from Russia -- but from the local fascists.

And now the Ukranian Parliament has been dissolved -- because it does not support the war policy.

The situation is potentially explosive. The US is pursuing a very reckless policy.

MHG

mhgaffney
09-01-2014, 01:25 PM
Professor Chossudovsky debunks the invasion lie -- and shows that the Russian tanks operated by the pro Russian separatists did not come from Putin -- but were captured in battles with the Ukrainian army.

If Putin sent the tanks in -- the US would have had satellite photos of them crossing the border. Where is this evidence?

Nonexistent. MHG

“Russia Invades Ukraine”, Strategic NATO Public Relations Stunt. Where Are The Russian Tanks?

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky

September 01, 2014 "Global Research" - Read the London tabloids. Russia has launched “a full-scale invasion”. A vast propaganda campaign has been launched. Where is the evidence?

The media is spreading “fake evidence” in the week leading up to the Wales NATO Summit.

The objective is to herald Russia as the aggressor.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-invades-ukraine-strategic-nato-public-relations-stunt-where-are-the-russian-tanks/5398148

W*GS
09-01-2014, 02:47 PM
The 'Mane has its very own Lord Haw-Haw in dear Comrade gaffnikov.

DenverBrit
09-01-2014, 03:05 PM
"Losing" touch? Have you read none of Gaffney's posts over the last few years? :saywhat:

I've noticed a few.

DenverBrit
09-01-2014, 03:09 PM
The objective is to herald Russia as the aggressor.



No shiit!!


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77221000/jpg/_77221029_023659940-1.jpg

Mecklomaniac
09-01-2014, 04:37 PM
Thugs?
FYI, thousands of Russian patriots -- ordinary people like you and me -- have been volunteering to go to Ukraine to fight the Kiev fascists alongside the separatists.

This is the view from Russia. You don't like it? Too *****ing bad. You need to expand your universe. Your known world is way too small. MHG

So you would be ok with American patriots, (with US military hardware) going to Canada to join the Quebec Sovereignty movement and "liberate" Quebec?

elsid13
09-01-2014, 04:41 PM
Putin could fly the sickle and hammer over White House and Mhgaffney would cheer.

Dukes
09-01-2014, 05:23 PM
I don't come here much, but it's good to see that we can all agree on one thing. Gaff is still bat**** crazy.

Bronco Yoda
09-01-2014, 07:10 PM
This games been played already

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/netizen/Bronco%20Avs/putincommand_zps90b4cd8f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/netizen/media/Bronco%20Avs/putincommand_zps90b4cd8f.jpg.html)

BroncoBeavis
09-02-2014, 09:10 AM
So you would be ok with American patriots, (with US military hardware) going to Canada to join the Quebec Sovereignty movement and "liberate" Quebec?

I'm sure if a few thousand American GIs wanted to blow off some steam with a leisurely cruise in their M1 Abrams through the suburbs of Donetsk, Gaff would have zero issue with it. LOL

Rohirrim
09-02-2014, 12:31 PM
As Russian forces become a more common sight in Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly said that his forces could take Kiev "in two weeks."

A Kremlin aide sharply criticized EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso for breaching confidentiality when he quoted Russian President Vladimir Putin making the remark.

Yuri Ushakov, the Russian leader's foreign policy adviser, told reporters that Putin's statement was "taken out of context and carried a completely different meaning."

Ushakov lashed out at Barroso, saying it was a breach of diplomatic practices and "unworthy of a serious politician" to speak publicly about a private conversation. Barroso had briefed the EU's 28 leaders hours after the phone conversation at a summit in Brussels — from where the information eventually leaked.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theworldpost/

Rohirrim
09-02-2014, 01:19 PM
Interesting "realpolitik" take on Ukraine from Foreign Affairs:

Of course, some analysts might concede that NATO handled relations with Ukraine poorly and yet still maintain that Russia constitutes an enemy that will only grow more formidable over time -- and that the West therefore has no choice but to continue its present policy. But this viewpoint is badly mistaken. Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time. Even if Russia were a rising power, moreover, it would still make no sense to incorporate Ukraine into NATO. The reason is simple: the United States and its European allies do not consider Ukraine to be a core strategic interest, as their unwillingness to use military force to come to its aid has proved. It would therefore be the height of folly to create a new NATO member that the other members have no intention of defending. NATO has expanded in the past because liberals assumed the alliance would never have to honor its new security guarantees, but Russia’s recent power play shows that granting Ukraine NATO membership could put Russia and the West on a collision course.

Sticking with the current policy would also complicate Western relations with Moscow on other issues. The United States needs Russia’s assistance to withdraw U.S. equipment from Afghanistan through Russian territory, reach a nuclear agreement with Iran, and stabilize the situation in Syria. In fact, Moscow has helped Washington on all three of these issues in the past; in the summer of 2013, it was Putin who pulled Obama’s chestnuts out of the fire by forging the deal under which Syria agreed to relinquish its chemical weapons, thereby avoiding the U.S. military strike that Obama had threatened. The United States will also someday need Russia’s help containing a rising China. Current U.S. policy, however, is only driving Moscow and Beijing closer together.

The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process -- a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault

BroncoBeavis
09-02-2014, 01:35 PM
Putin will keep rolling until real costs start mounting in Russian treasure or blood. Until then, his legend only grows in Neo-Soviet Russia, entrenching his power.

A year ago we were talking about arming Syrian rebels. We should be more than willing to do the same for free Ukrainians.

broncocalijohn
09-02-2014, 01:49 PM
Thugs?

You are a person who never learns. Certainly not from history. I call you a clown because that's what you are.

FYI, thousands of Russian patriots -- ordinary people like you and me -- have been volunteering to go to Ukraine to fight the Kiev fascists alongside the separatists.

This is the view from Russia. You don't like it? Too *****ing bad. You need to expand your universe. Your known world is way too small. MHG

What type of group feeds into his skull. Obviously, look for the conspiracy theorist that hate Jews/Israel and you can start the propaganda war.

broncocalijohn
09-02-2014, 01:52 PM
No shiit!!


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77221000/jpg/_77221029_023659940-1.jpg

They are blasting their way for relief of those needing it.

BroncoBeavis
09-02-2014, 02:07 PM
They are blasting their way for relief of those needing it.

I wonder if they'll let stranded thirsty Ukrainians drink from their fire hose.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/firehose.gif

Fedaykin
09-02-2014, 02:59 PM
Putin threatens use of nuclear weapons if resistance continues.

'Kiev has received threats of nuclear retaliation from Russia through unofficial channels if it continues to fight pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, Valeriy Heletey, announced on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/v.geletey) on Monday.
“The Russian side has threatened on several occasions across unofficial channels that, in the case of continued resistance they are ready to use a tactical nuclear weapon against us,” Heletey’s statement reads.'


http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-threatened-nuclear-attack-says-ukraine-defence-minister-267842



I related news, Gaffo continues sending offers of fellatio to a certain Moscow resident.

mhgaffney
09-02-2014, 04:42 PM
So you would be ok with American patriots, (with US military hardware) going to Canada to join the Quebec Sovereignty movement and "liberate" Quebec?

It would be more akin to the Republican brigade =-- US lefties who went to Spain to fight Franco.

mhgaffney
09-02-2014, 04:45 PM
Putin threatens use of nuclear weapons is resistance continues.

'Kiev has received threats of nuclear retaliation from Russia through unofficial channels if it continues to fight pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, Valeriy Heletey, announced on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/v.geletey) on Monday.
“The Russian side has threatened on several occasions across unofficial channels that, in the case of continued resistance they are ready to use a tactical nuclear weapon against us,” Heletey’s statement reads.'


http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-threatened-nuclear-attack-says-ukraine-defence-minister-267842



I related news, Gaffo continues sending offers of fellatio to a certain Moscow resident.


You are citing Newsweek uncritically. Newsweek is citing the Ukrainian defense minister uncritically...

As we have seen over and over, the officials in the Ukrainian gov't have lie a lot -- in fact, all the time.

Putin has made no nuclear threats. The threats are coming from the US and Kiev.

The fact remains, this is a very reckless policy -- I mean our govt.'s policy.

The war in Ukraine can go nuclear in a heartbeat. MHG

W*GS
09-02-2014, 04:49 PM
Another day, another load of Putin-spooge on gaffenikov's happy face...

mhgaffney
09-02-2014, 05:02 PM
A group of former members of the US intelligence community just sent a letter to German Chancellor Merkel warning her about the massive US propaganda campaign of lies now underway to convince everyone that Russia has invaded Ukraine. There is no such invasion.

Leadership by Germany could prove crucial in averting a wider war - and maybe nuclear Armageddon.

The signees include former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, NSA whistleblower William Binney, and former FBI agent Coleen Rowley, Time Magazine's person of the year.

Due to its importance - I have posted this in its entirety.
MHG

Warning Merkel on Russian ‘Invasion’ Intel
September 1, 2014

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/01/warning-merkel-on-russian-invasion-intel/

Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Official Washington – and the specter of a new Cold War – U.S. intelligence veterans took the unusual step of sending this Aug. 30 memo to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”

MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO

We the undersigned are long-time veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you have an opportunity to be briefed on our views prior to the NATO summit on Sept. 4-5.

You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian “invasion” of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the “intelligence” seems to be of the same dubious, politically “fixed” kind used 12 years ago to “justify” the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.

We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now. Twelve years ago, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, mindful of the flimsiness of the evidence on Iraqi WMD, refused to join in the attack on Iraq. In our view, you should be appropriately suspicious of charges made by the U.S. State Department and NATO officials alleging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

President Barack Obama tried on Aug. 29 to cool the rhetoric of his own senior diplomats and the corporate media, when he publicly described recent activity in the Ukraine, as “a continuation of what’s been taking place for months now … it’s not really a shift.”

Obama, however, has only tenuous control over the policymakers in his administration – who, sadly, lack much sense of history, know little of war, and substitute anti-Russian invective for a policy. One year ago, hawkish State Department officials and their friends in the media very nearly got Mr. Obama to launch a major attack on Syria based, once again, on “intelligence” that was dubious, at best.

Largely because of the growing prominence of, and apparent reliance on, intelligence we believe to be spurious, we think the possibility of hostilities escalating beyond the borders of Ukraine has increased significantly over the past several days. More important, we believe that this likelihood can be avoided, depending on the degree of judicious skepticism you and other European leaders bring to the NATO summit next week.

Experience With Untruth

Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know.”

Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on Aug. 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on Feb. 5, 2003, that, likewise, proved nothing.

That same day, we warned President Bush that our former colleague analysts were “increasingly distressed at the politicization of intelligence” and told him flatly, “Powell’s presentation does not come close” to justifying war. We urged Mr. Bush to “widen the discussion … beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.”

Consider Iraq today. Worse than catastrophic.

Although President Vladimir Putin has until now showed considerable reserve on the conflict in the Ukraine, it behooves us to remember that Russia, too, can “shock and awe.” In our view, if there is the slightest chance of that kind of thing eventually happening to Europe because of Ukraine, sober-minded leaders need to think this through very carefully.

If the photos that NATO and the U.S. have released represent the best available “proof” of an invasion from Russia, our suspicions increase that a major effort is under way to fortify arguments for the NATO summit to approve actions that Russia is sure to regard as provocative. Caveat emptor is an expression with which you are no doubt familiar. Suffice it to add that one should be very cautious regarding what Mr. Rasmussen, or even Secretary of State John Kerry, are peddling.

We trust that your advisers have kept you informed regarding the crisis in Ukraine from the beginning of 2014, and how the possibility that Ukraine would become a member of NATO is anathema to the Kremlin. According to a Feb. 1, 2008 cable (published by WikiLeaks) from the U.S. embassy in Moscow to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, U.S. Ambassador William Burns was called in by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who explained Russia’s strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine.

Lavrov warned pointedly of “fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.” Burns gave his cable the unusual title, “NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES,” and sent it off to Washington with IMMEDIATE precedence. Two months later, at their summit in Bucharest NATO leaders issued a formal declaration that “Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO.”

On Aug. 29, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk used his Facebook page to claim that, with the approval of Parliament that he has requested, the path to NATO membership is open. Yatsenyuk, of course, was Washington’s favorite pick to become prime minister after the Feb. 22 coup d’etat in Kiev.

“Yats is the guy,” said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland a few weeks before the coup, in an intercepted telephone conversation with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. You may recall that this is the same conversation in which Nuland said, “**** the EU.”

Timing of the Russian “Invasion”

The conventional wisdom promoted by Kiev just a few weeks ago was that Ukrainian forces had the upper hand in fighting the anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine, in what was largely portrayed as a mop-up operation. But that picture of the offensive originated almost solely from official government sources in Kiev. There were very few reports coming from the ground in southeastern Ukraine. There was one, however, quoting Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, that raised doubt about the reliability of the government’s portrayal.

According to the “press service of the President of Ukraine” on Aug. 18, Poroshenko called for a “regrouping of Ukrainian military units involved in the operation of power in the East of the country. … Today we need to do the rearrangement of forces that will defend our territory and continued army offensives,” said Poroshenko, adding, “we need to consider a new military operation in the new circumstances.”

If the “new circumstances” meant successful advances by Ukrainian government forces, why would it be necessary to “regroup,” to “rearrange” the forces? At about this time, sources on the ground began to report a string of successful attacks by the anti-coup federalists against government forces. According to these sources, it was the government army that was starting to take heavy casualties and lose ground, largely because of ineptitude and poor leadership.

Ten days later, as they became encircled and/or retreated, a ready-made excuse for this was to be found in the “Russian invasion.” That is precisely when the fuzzy photos were released by NATO and reporters like the New York Times’ Michael Gordon were set loose to spread the word that “the Russians are coming.” (Michael Gordon was one of the most egregious propagandists promoting the war on Iraq.)

No Invasion – But Plenty Other Russian Support

The anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine enjoy considerable local support, partly as a result of government artillery strikes on major population centers. And we believe that Russian support probably has been pouring across the border and includes, significantly, excellent battlefield intelligence. But it is far from clear that this support includes tanks and artillery at this point – mostly because the federalists have been better led and surprisingly successful in pinning down government forces.

At the same time, we have little doubt that, if and when the federalists need them, the Russian tanks will come.

This is precisely why the situation demands a concerted effort for a ceasefire, which you know Kiev has so far been delaying. What is to be done at this point? In our view, Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk need to be told flat-out that membership in NATO is not in the cards – and that NATO has no intention of waging a proxy war with Russia – and especially not in support of the rag-tag army of Ukraine. Other members of NATO need to be told the same thing.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)

elsid13
09-02-2014, 05:03 PM
Actually the tactical nuclear threat wasn't toward the Ukraine. It was reported in the Economist that Russian Military sources have been developing and practicing the use of small tactical warhead deployment against a target in either Poland or Baltic states to "keep" the west in line.

W*GS
09-02-2014, 05:03 PM
And more Vlad-spunk. Comrade gaffenikov is gettin' seriously creamed, and he's loving it all...

mhgaffney
09-02-2014, 05:07 PM
It is hard to know what is happening on the ground in eastern Ukraine, but it looks like the Ukrainian army is getting its butt kicked.

Ukraine reportedly has a policy of forced conscripted. Those who refuse to serve go to prison.

Whereas the pro Russian separatists are all volunteers -- no recruiting is necessary. Thousands are pouring in from across Russia -- to fight. In Russia the provinces in eastern Ukraine are viewed as part of Russia.MHG

mhgaffney
09-02-2014, 05:08 PM
Actually the tactical nuclear threat wasn't toward the Ukraine. It was reported in the Economist that Russian Military sources have been developing and practicing the use of small tactical warhead deployment against a target in either Poland or Baltic states to "keep" the west in line.

You believe the Economist? That's the Bank of London talking. Who do you think cooked up the war in Ukraine in the first place? The US/UK financial elite. This has Wall Street written all over it.

I would believe Ray McGovern over the Economist or Newsweek. MHG

W*GS
09-02-2014, 05:45 PM
comrade gaffenikov's entire head is now encased in jism...

Ewwww.

Rohirrim
09-02-2014, 08:39 PM
Gazprombank GPB (OJSC), a Russian bank targeted with sanctions by President Obama over the Ukraine crisis, has hired two former U.S. senators to lobby against those sanctions, according to a new disclosure filed with the Senate.

Gazprombank is controlled by Russia’s state-owned energy company Gazprom, the country’s largest gas producer; it supplies about a third of Europe’s natural gas.

In a filing submitted Friday and effective that day, former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., and former Senator John Breaux, D-La., are listed as the main lobbyists under the Gazprombank account for the firm Squire Patton Boggs, lobbying on “banking laws and regulations including applicable sanctions.”
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/09/02/15450/russian-bank-hires-two-former-us-senators

broncocalijohn
09-02-2014, 09:10 PM
Putin threatens use of nuclear weapons if resistance continues.

'Kiev has received threats of nuclear retaliation from Russia through unofficial channels if it continues to fight pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, Valeriy Heletey, announced on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/v.geletey) on Monday.
“The Russian side has threatened on several occasions across unofficial channels that, in the case of continued resistance they are ready to use a tactical nuclear weapon against us,” Heletey’s statement reads.'


http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-threatened-nuclear-attack-says-ukraine-defence-minister-267842



I related news, Gaffo continues sending offers of fellatio to a certain Moscow resident.

I just can't take this "news" seriously when it is announced on facebook by a high ranking official for Ukraine. I don't think Hillary Clinton was announcing anything on her facebook page.

Bronco Yoda
09-02-2014, 09:31 PM
The war in Ukraine can go nuclear in a heartbeat. MHG

What are you smoking?:spit:

Rohirrim
09-02-2014, 09:32 PM
What are you smoking?:spit:

The idea of nuclear war gets Gaffnikov moist.

BroncoBeavis
09-02-2014, 09:42 PM
I just can't take this "news" seriously when it is announced on facebook by a high ranking official for Ukraine. I don't think Hillary Clinton was announcing anything on her facebook page.

Didn't Russia threaten to Nuke Poland when we were talking about a missile shield there?

BroncoBeavis
09-02-2014, 09:48 PM
You are citing Newsweek uncritically. Newsweek is citing the Ukrainian defense minister uncritically...

As we have seen over and over, the officials in the Ukrainian gov't have lie a lot -- in fact, all the time.

Putin has made no nuclear threats. The threats are coming from the US and Kiev.

The fact remains, this is a very reckless policy -- I mean our govt.'s policy.

The war in Ukraine can go nuclear in a heartbeat. MHG

Gaff, are these nukes going to be volunteers as well? LOL

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 09:20 AM
So you would be ok with American patriots, (with US military hardware) going to Canada to join the Quebec Sovereignty movement and "liberate" Quebec?

A better comparison would be Americans flocking to Texas in the 1840s to fight the Mexicans at a time when Texas was part of Mexico.

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 09:23 AM
There has been talk of sending a NATO expeditionary force to Ukraine. If this happens -- it will set up a military confrontation between the US and Russia.

How could such a confrontation not go nuclear? Of course it would.

broncocalijohn
09-03-2014, 09:33 AM
There has been talk of sending a NATO expeditionary force to Ukraine. If this happens -- it will set up a military confrontation between the US and Russia.

How could such a confrontation not go nuclear? Of course it would.

I am still waiting on the Iran war we were supposed to have according to you. I guess it is all on the internets and computer cables that are behind the scene.

It isn't going nuclear unless your love boy Putin is crazier than any nut job this side of the Middle East or North Korea.

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 09:37 AM
Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine?

By Robert Parry

September 03, 2014 "ICH" - "Consortiumnews" - If you wonder how the world could stumble into World War III – much as it did into World War I a century ago – all you need to do is look at the madness that has enveloped virtually the entire U.S. political/media structure over Ukraine where a false narrative of white hats vs. black hats took hold early and has proved impervious to facts or reason.

The original lie behind Official Washington’s latest “group think” was that Russian President Vladimir Putin instigated the crisis in Ukraine as part of some diabolical scheme to reclaim the territory of the defunct Soviet Union, including Estonia and other Baltic states. Though not a shred of U.S. intelligence supported this scenario, all the “smart people” of Washington just “knew” it to be true.

Yet, the once-acknowledged – though soon forgotten – reality was that the crisis was provoked last year by the European Union proposing an association agreement with Ukraine while U.S. neocons and other hawkish politicos and pundits envisioned using the Ukraine gambit as a way to undermine Putin inside Russia.

The plan was even announced by U.S. neocons such as National Endowment for Democracy President Carl Gershman who took to the op-ed page of the Washington Post nearly a year ago to call Ukraine “the biggest prize” and an important interim step toward eventually toppling Putin in Russia.

Gershman, whose NED is funded by the U.S. Congress, wrote: “Ukraine’s choice to join Europe will accelerate the demise of the ideology of Russian imperialism that Putin represents. … Russians, too, face a choice, and Putin may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”

In other words, from the start, Putin was the target of the Ukraine initiative, not the instigator. But even if you choose to ignore Gershman’s clear intent, you would have to concoct a bizarre conspiracy theory to support the conventional wisdom about Putin’s grand plan.

To believe that Putin was indeed the mastermind of the crisis, you would have to think that he somehow arranged to have the EU offer the association agreement last year, then got the International Monetary Fund to attach such draconian “reforms” that Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych backed away from the deal.

Then, Putin had to organize mass demonstrations at Kiev’s Maidan square against Yanukovych while readying neo-Nazi militias to act as the muscle to finally overthrow the elected president and replace him with a regime dominated by far-right Ukrainian nationalists and U.S.-favored technocrats. Next, Putin had to get the new government to take provocative actions against ethnic Russians in the east, including threatening to outlaw Russian as an official language.

And throw into this storyline that Putin – all the while – was acting like he was trying to help Yanukovych defuse the crisis and even acquiesced to Yanukovych agreeing on Feb. 21 to accept an agreement brokered by three European countries calling for early Ukrainian elections that could vote him out of office. Instead, Putin was supposedly ordering neo-Nazi militias to oust Yanukovych in a Feb. 22 putsch, all the better to create the current crisis.

While such a fanciful scenario would make the most extreme conspiracy theorist blush, this narrative was embraced by prominent U.S. politicians, including ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and “journalists” from the New York Times to CNN. They all agreed that Putin was a madman on a mission of unchecked aggression against his neighbors with the goal of reconstituting the Russian Empire. Clinton even compared him to Adolf Hitler.

This founding false narrative was then embroidered by a consistent pattern of distorted U.S. reporting as the crisis unfolded. Indeed, for the past eight months, we have seen arguably the most one-sided coverage of a major international crisis in memory, although there were other crazed MSM stampedes, such as Iraq’s non-existent WMD in 2002-03, Iran’s supposed nuclear bomb project for most of the past decade, Libya’s “humanitarian crisis” of 2011, and Syria’s sarin gas attack in 2013.

But the hysteria over Ukraine – with U.S. officials and editorialists now trying to rally a NATO military response to Russia’s alleged “invasion” of Ukraine – raises the prospect of a nuclear confrontation that could end all life on the planet.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39572.htm

BroncoBeavis
09-03-2014, 09:43 AM
There has been talk of sending a NATO expeditionary force to Ukraine. If this happens -- it will set up a military confrontation between the US and Russia.

How could such a confrontation not go nuclear? Of course it would.

Gaff, do you think it's acceptable for Vlad to threaten to go Nuclear at all?

Anyway, the way you prevent it from going Nuclear is you say...

"For every non-Russian city you nuke, we nuke a Russian city of similar size. Escalate as you will."

and leave it at that.

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 09:53 AM
This board has followed the example of the US media -- which portrays the Kiev government as a legitimate government representing the Ukrainian people. Even after the Ukrainian president dissolved Parliament last week. Clearly the government in Kiev clearly is not serving the people of Ukraine. Read on. MHG


SEPTEMBER 02, 2014

Kiev's War Against Freedom of Speech
Ukraine: the Ugly Truth

by VLADISLAV GULEVICH
The US State Department has given its support to the military operation undertaken by Kiev in Donbass. Jen Psaki, spokesperson for the US Department of State, stated that Kiev has the right to secure order and peace on its territory.

How Ukrainian authorities secure order and peace, Jen Psaki should ask the people of Donbass. But Western journalists prefer not to speak with the people living in the war zone. They avoid citing any word which could cast doubt on Kiev`s policy.

On the other hand, they easily rely on official Ukrainian sources and repeat their false, office-made “news” about Russian aggression and rebels killing their own population. Although only insane people would kill those who give them food and other support, a support essential to the Donbass guerillas, the myth about rebels killing their own families is still alive.begging slogans5

If Westerners could see what is really going on in Donbass, they would have a completely different picture.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/02/ukraine-the-ugly-truth/

Rohirrim
09-03-2014, 11:09 AM
A better comparison would be Americans flocking to Texas in the 1840s to fight the Mexicans at a time when Texas was part of Mexico.

You're right. The Americans used a false pretense to start a war, invade, and seize the land, just like Putin is doing now.

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 11:19 AM
You're right. The Americans used a false pretense to start a war, invade, and seize the land, just like Putin is doing now.

Russians are seizing Russia?

Not a good basis on which to risk WW III.

You need to inform Wall Street and the CFR about this.

Rohirrim
09-03-2014, 11:22 AM
Russians are seizing Russia?

Not a good basis on which to risk WW III.

You need to inform Wall Street and the CFR about this.

Now Ukraine is Russia? I see you've been learning Putin-speak.

That's what some in Israel do with Palestine. "You know," they say, "There really is no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians."

Meck77
09-03-2014, 12:15 PM
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mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 02:01 PM
Now Ukraine is Russia? I see you've been learning Putin-speak.

That's what some in Israel do with Palestine. "You know," they say, "There really is no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians."

You are 50 years out of kilter.

For centuries eastern Ukraine was a part of Russia.

It should have reverted back to Russia after the collapse of the USSR -- but because of the chaos and weakness of Russia in the 1990s -- the present boundary was forced upon Moscow.

However, that agreement became moot after the US-instigated coup in Kiev last February.

MHG

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 02:03 PM
One of the reasons for the low morale of the Ukrainian army is they are fighting for Russian land -- not land that was traditionally part if Ukraine.

They also have terrible leadership -- which is no surprise given the oligarchs running Ukraine and the fascist element. Neither can be popular among Ukrainians.

Rohirrim
09-03-2014, 02:42 PM
You are 50 years out of kilter.

For centuries eastern Ukraine was a part of Russia.

It should have reverted back to Russia after the collapse of the USSR -- but because of the chaos and weakness of Russia in the 1990s -- the present boundary was forced upon Moscow.

However, that agreement became moot after the US-instigated coup in Kiev last February.

MHG

The Soviets took over Ukraine. Russia didn't. The USSR no longer exists, although Putin obviously hasn't accepted that fact. Ukraine was an independent republic. There is no legitimate reason on Earth for Russia to "own" Ukraine.

mhgaffney
09-03-2014, 02:48 PM
The Soviets took over Ukraine. Russia didn't. The USSR no longer exists, although Putin obviously hasn't accepted that fact. Ukraine was an independent republic. There is no legitimate reason on Earth for Russia to "own" Ukraine.

Total b.s.

Putin has reached out to Europe and the US for trade and commerce, he's not interested in territorial expansion.

The problem is that Putin keeps getting in the way of the US agenda for full spectrum dominance. So does China, Iran, and Venezuela, and a few others.

The Wolfowitz doctrine still rules here. I'm sure you don't even know what that is.

MHG

BroncoBeavis
09-03-2014, 03:37 PM
So does China, Iran, and Venezuela, and a few others.

You forgot North Korea. Then your Gaff Superfriends list would be nearly complete.

W*GS
09-03-2014, 04:58 PM
I will recall once more Russia’s most recent history.

Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself.

http://archive.kremlin.ru/eng/speeches/2005/04/25/2031_type70029type82912_87086.shtml

elsid13
09-03-2014, 05:11 PM
One of the reasons for the low morale of the Ukrainian army is they are fighting for Russian land -- not land that was traditionally part if Ukraine.

They also have terrible leadership -- which is no surprise given the oligarchs running Ukraine and the fascist element. Neither can be popular among Ukrainians.


https://twitter.com/CanadaNATO/status/504651534198927361/photo/1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwDh5TICcAAaIiz.jpg

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 10:17 AM
Western Doublethink on Blind Path to War

Finian CUNNINGHAM | 03.09.2014 | 00:00

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/03/western-doublethink-on-blind-path-to-war.html

Rohirrim
09-04-2014, 10:23 AM
Hey, Gaffinovich. If Putin is so innocent, why have the Baltic states requested that NATO build bases on their borders with Russia?

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 10:24 AM
This was posted at the American Thinker, of all places. MHG

August 4, 2014

How to Solve the Putin Problem
By Herbert E. Meyer

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 10:31 AM
Germans in Dresden protest Merkel's sucking up to the US

Notice, the protest happens in Dresden, which was in East Germany. These Germans have no illusions -- having lived under communism. But they also know very well that Russia under Putin is no threat.

The real threat comes from the US, whose crazed leaders are pushing the world to the brink of a nuclear war.

This is what a NATO expeditionary force to Ukraine and the Baltics will mean. MHG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSMhGE_Mpk

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 10:32 AM
Hey, Gaffinovich. If Putin is so innocent, why have the Baltic states requested that NATO build bases on their borders with Russia?

The people did not request it -- the leaders did. As PCR points out, they have been bought and paid for by the US. See the other post -- the people's protest in Dresden.
MHG

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 10:35 AM
Warning to the World: Washington and its NATO & EU Vassals are Insane
By Paul Craig Roberts

September 04, 2014 "ICH" - Herbert E. Meyer, a nutcase who was a special assistant to the CIA director for a period during the Reagan administration, has penned an article calling for Russian President Putin’s assassination. If we have “ to get him out of the Kremlin feet-first with a bullet hole in the back of his head, that would be okay with us.”

As the crazed Meyer illustrates, the insanity that Washington has released upon the world knows no restraint. Jose Manual Barroso, installed as Washington’s puppet as European Commission President, misrepresented his recent confidential telephone conversation with Russia’s President Putin by telling the media that Putin issued a threat: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks.”

Clearly, Putin did not issue a threat. A threat would be inconsistent with Putin’s entire unprovocative approach to the strategic threat that Washington and its NATO puppets have brought to Russia in Ukraine. Russia’s permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said that if Barroso’s lie stands, Russia will make public the full recording of the conversation

Anyone familiar with the disparity between the Ukrainian and Russian militaries knows full well that it would take the Russian military 14 hours, not 14 days, to take all of Ukraine. Just remember what happened to the American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian Army when Washington set its stupid Georgian puppets on South Ossetia. The American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army collapsed under Russian counterattack in 5 hours.

The lie that Washington’s puppet Barroso told was not worthy of a serious person. But where in Europe is there a serious person in power? Nowhere.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39579.htm

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 11:07 AM
Ukrainian government faked evidence re shoot down of MH-17

This analysis shows that the Ukrainian security service cooked up fake evidence which the western media and the US government swallowed wholesale and repeated here like gospel.

The lie continues to be repeated in the US media on a daily basis. MHG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpDKuN3cV_o

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 11:11 AM
Hey, Gaffinovich. If Putin is so innocent, why have the Baltic states requested that NATO build bases on their borders with Russia?

I sent an email to German journalist and author Lars Schall, and asked him why Chancellor Merkel has not taken a more independent path over Ukraine.

Here is his reply:

hi Mark,
the answer: germany is not the master in its own house, it is still a vessel state of the anglo-amaericans.

best,
lars.

mhgaffney
09-04-2014, 12:07 PM
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Looks like a Ukrainian army column to me.

BroncoBeavis
09-04-2014, 12:13 PM
Looks like Finland wants to get cozier with NATO as well.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/27/finland-sweden-strengthen-ties-nato

Why oh why do none of Russia's neighbors love Russia so much as Gaff does?

Can't they see? Poor Vlady's just terribly misunderstood.

BroncoBeavis
09-04-2014, 12:16 PM
I sent an email to German journalist and author Lars Schall, and asked him why Chancellor Merkel has not taken a more independent path over Ukraine.

Here is his reply:

hi Mark,
the answer: germany is not the master in its own house, it is still a vessel state of the anglo-amaericans.

best,
lars.

Gaff, does Lars also believe 9/11 was an inside job?

Johnykbr
09-04-2014, 12:18 PM
I sent an email to German journalist and author Lars Schall, and asked him why Chancellor Merkel has not taken a more independent path over Ukraine.

Here is his reply:

hi Mark,
the answer: germany is not the master in its own house, it is still a vessel state of the anglo-amaericans.

best,
lars.

That's terminology used by the people that are in the "know" right?

Rohirrim
09-04-2014, 01:18 PM
Warning to the World: Washington and its NATO & EU Vassals are Insane
By Paul Craig Roberts

September 04, 2014 "ICH" - Herbert E. Meyer, a nutcase who was a special assistant to the CIA director for a period during the Reagan administration, has penned an article calling for Russian President Putin’s assassination. If we have “ to get him out of the Kremlin feet-first with a bullet hole in the back of his head, that would be okay with us.”

As the crazed Meyer illustrates, the insanity that Washington has released upon the world knows no restraint. Jose Manual Barroso, installed as Washington’s puppet as European Commission President, misrepresented his recent confidential telephone conversation with Russia’s President Putin by telling the media that Putin issued a threat: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks.”

Clearly, Putin did not issue a threat. A threat would be inconsistent with Putin’s entire unprovocative approach to the strategic threat that Washington and its NATO puppets have brought to Russia in Ukraine. Russia’s permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said that if Barroso’s lie stands, Russia will make public the full recording of the conversation

Anyone familiar with the disparity between the Ukrainian and Russian militaries knows full well that it would take the Russian military 14 hours, not 14 days, to take all of Ukraine. Just remember what happened to the American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian Army when Washington set its stupid Georgian puppets on South Ossetia. The American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army collapsed under Russian counterattack in 5 hours.

The lie that Washington’s puppet Barroso told was not worthy of a serious person. But where in Europe is there a serious person in power? Nowhere.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39579.htm

There are only two explanation for Roberts' take. One, he's mentally ill. Two, he works for Putin. Take your pick.

Rohirrim
09-04-2014, 01:26 PM
The Baltic states have asked for protection from NATO against Putin (which is why Obama is in Estonia this week) and now Kazakhstan is worried too.

About one in four Estonians are ethnic Russians or native Russian-speakers, a bigger proportion than in Ukraine, where Putin justified his actions by referring to the defence of Russophones and ethnic Russians. Latvia, where about 30% are ethnic Russians, feels similarly exposed to Putin's summoning of Russian nationalism.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary general of Nato, told the Guardian last week: "Obviously some of our member states are very concerned that the Russians say they reserve their right to intervene in other countries if they consider it necessary to protect the interests of Russian-speaking populations in other countries. Obviously, that creates a lot of concern among the allies."

But it is in the south, not in the north-west, that the chilly blast of Putin's rhetoric is being felt, far away from Europe and from Nato.

In little-noticed remarks last week, he called into question the legitimacy of the post-Soviet state of Kazakhstan while ordering the Kazakhs to be on their best behaviour when it came to serving Russian interests.

The remarks, to an audience of young people in Russia on Friday, sent shocke waves through the central Asian republic, which also hosts a large ethnic Russian minority centred in the north on the Russian border.

Putin said there had never been a country called Kazakhstan, that the republic was purely the product of the current president, Nursultan Nazarbayev.

"I am confident that a majority of its population supports development of close ties with Russia," said Putin. "Nazarbayev is a prudent leader, even the most prudent in the post-Soviet space. He would never act against the will of his country's people."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/kazakhstan-russian-neighbour-putin-chilly-nationalist-rhetoric

Anybody who doesn't think that is a direct threat from Putin is a fool.

Who can blame these people for fearing Putin? Basically, Putin's policy is that if any Russian feels uncomfortable in a neighboring country, he is free to invade. The rise of Russian nationalism, led by Putin, is far more dangerous to the world than anything ISIS can come up with.

Johnykbr
09-04-2014, 02:00 PM
The Baltic states have asked for protection from NATO against Putin (which is why Obama is in Estonia this week) and now Kazakhstan is worried too.

About one in four Estonians are ethnic Russians or native Russian-speakers, a bigger proportion than in Ukraine, where Putin justified his actions by referring to the defence of Russophones and ethnic Russians. Latvia, where about 30% are ethnic Russians, feels similarly exposed to Putin's summoning of Russian nationalism.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary general of Nato, told the Guardian last week: "Obviously some of our member states are very concerned that the Russians say they reserve their right to intervene in other countries if they consider it necessary to protect the interests of Russian-speaking populations in other countries. Obviously, that creates a lot of concern among the allies."

But it is in the south, not in the north-west, that the chilly blast of Putin's rhetoric is being felt, far away from Europe and from Nato.

In little-noticed remarks last week, he called into question the legitimacy of the post-Soviet state of Kazakhstan while ordering the Kazakhs to be on their best behaviour when it came to serving Russian interests.

The remarks, to an audience of young people in Russia on Friday, sent shocke waves through the central Asian republic, which also hosts a large ethnic Russian minority centred in the north on the Russian border.

Putin said there had never been a country called Kazakhstan, that the republic was purely the product of the current president, Nursultan Nazarbayev.

"I am confident that a majority of its population supports development of close ties with Russia," said Putin. "Nazarbayev is a prudent leader, even the most prudent in the post-Soviet space. He would never act against the will of his country's people."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/kazakhstan-russian-neighbour-putin-chilly-nationalist-rhetoric

Anybody who doesn't think that is a direct threat from Putin is a fool.

Who can blame these people for fearing Putin? Basically, Putin's policy is that if any Russian feels uncomfortable in a neighboring country, he is free to invade. The rise of Russian nationalism, led by Putin, is far more dangerous to the world than anything ISIS can come up with.

AKA, stop charging us for the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

broncocalijohn
09-04-2014, 02:46 PM
There are only two explanation for Roberts' take. One, he's mentally ill. Two, he works for Putin. Take your pick.

Can it be both?

kappys
09-04-2014, 03:25 PM
So far mixed reports on the cease fire but it looks like Putin is getting what he wants. As the "rebels" were being pushed back Putin had to intervene to stalemate the situation. I think for him only 2 plausible options - either independent vassal state in SE Ukraine or autonomous self governing region in the SE attached to Ukraine in name only

elsid13
09-04-2014, 04:15 PM
So far mixed reports on the cease fire but it looks like Putin is getting what he wants. As the "rebels" were being pushed back Putin had to intervene to stalemate the situation. I think for him only 2 plausible options - either independent vassal state in SE Ukraine or autonomous self governing region in the SE attached to Ukraine in name only

I think this is just a pause to allow Russian Logistic support elements to move forward.

Meck77
09-04-2014, 04:20 PM
There is no cease fire. http://liveuamap.com/

There are battles in Mariupol which is the new front the russians opened up just last week. Isn't it interesting that ALL the battles are on the russian border. There is NO insurgency happening ANYWHERE ELSE in Ukraine. All the local ukrainians just decided to pull their hundreds of tanks out of their barns along the russian border.

Besides how can Putin agree and organize a cease fire when Russia has nothing in the world to do with the conflict? Putin is a ****ing joke.


Oh and the sorry ass french realized it's a bad idea to sell warships to Russia. Friggen idiots were about to give the tools he needs to smash europe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29060398

Meck77
09-04-2014, 04:58 PM
For the record AGAIN. The 1994 Budapest Memorandum that the UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, AND GREAT BRITAIN SIGNED.

http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484

Rohirrim
09-04-2014, 05:05 PM
For the record AGAIN. The 1994 Budapest Memorandum that the UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, AND GREAT BRITAIN SIGNED.

http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484

If Putin doesn't back down, those signees, including China, will have to do something about it.

mhgaffney
09-05-2014, 10:08 AM
For the record AGAIN. The 1994 Budapest Memorandum that the UNITED STATES, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, AND GREAT BRITAIN SIGNED.

http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484

Sure. And what about Reagan's promise not to expand NATO into eastern Europe?

HW Bush and Clinton and Bush two and Obama ripped that promise to shreds.

mhgaffney
09-05-2014, 10:14 AM
The Baltic states have asked for protection from NATO against Putin (which is why Obama is in Estonia this week) and now Kazakhstan is worried too.

About one in four Estonians are ethnic Russians or native Russian-speakers, a bigger proportion than in Ukraine, where Putin justified his actions by referring to the defence of Russophones and ethnic Russians. Latvia, where about 30% are ethnic Russians, feels similarly exposed to Putin's summoning of Russian nationalism.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary general of Nato, told the Guardian last week: "Obviously some of our member states are very concerned that the Russians say they reserve their right to intervene in other countries if they consider it necessary to protect the interests of Russian-speaking populations in other countries. Obviously, that creates a lot of concern among the allies."

But it is in the south, not in the north-west, that the chilly blast of Putin's rhetoric is being felt, far away from Europe and from Nato.

In little-noticed remarks last week, he called into question the legitimacy of the post-Soviet state of Kazakhstan while ordering the Kazakhs to be on their best behaviour when it came to serving Russian interests.

The remarks, to an audience of young people in Russia on Friday, sent shocke waves through the central Asian republic, which also hosts a large ethnic Russian minority centred in the north on the Russian border.

Putin said there had never been a country called Kazakhstan, that the republic was purely the product of the current president, Nursultan Nazarbayev.

"I am confident that a majority of its population supports development of close ties with Russia," said Putin. "Nazarbayev is a prudent leader, even the most prudent in the post-Soviet space. He would never act against the will of his country's people."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/kazakhstan-russian-neighbour-putin-chilly-nationalist-rhetoric

Anybody who doesn't think that is a direct threat from Putin is a fool.

Who can blame these people for fearing Putin? Basically, Putin's policy is that if any Russian feels uncomfortable in a neighboring country, he is free to invade. The rise of Russian nationalism, led by Putin, is far more dangerous to the world than anything ISIS can come up with.

total bs. When the US staged a provocation on the Russian border in Georgia - Putin responded by sending troops in to eliminate the threat -- then withdrew. That is not the behavior of an evil empire trying to expand.

The evil empire today is the US - -with our attempt to run the world via full spectrum dominance.

You never heard of the Wolfowitz doctrine? It means we steamroller anyone who stands in our way. Putin is standing in our way - - this is the problem.

Hence the flood of propaganda about the new Hitler.

It should not play after so many reruns of this same strategy -- but the American people (judging by this board) will swallow anything, any lie. MHG

Meck77
09-05-2014, 12:51 PM
Gaffo anyone with money including putlers owndaughter don't want to live in Russia. Why would the US need to start provocations. Russia is a **** hole and it's own people are denied basic human rights.

What nationality are you anyway?

BTW.....Deals have been reached. Individual NATO countries will be arming ukrainian against the russian invaders!

Meck77
09-05-2014, 01:08 PM
Russia kidnaps Estonian officer one day after Obama warns messing with Estonia means war with the United States! For those that think this little Russian thing with Ukraine is no concern of yours. Think again.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110037/estonia-russia-officer-kidnapped?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=article-share-top

mhgaffney
09-05-2014, 03:19 PM
At one time in July there were apparently nine NATO warships in the Black Sea. This is incredibly reckless. There have already been close encounters with US and Russian aircraft. Expect things to get worse -- a lot worse. MHG


4 NATO warships to enter Black Sea before September 7 – military source
Published time: September 03, 2014 11:30 Get short URL

http://rt.com/news/184708-nato-warships-black-sea/

mhgaffney
09-05-2014, 03:23 PM
There is supposed to be a cease fire today. Let's hope it happens -- and holds. The Ukrainians were getting the worst of the fighting -- which probably explains why they agreed to it. Putin agreed to it because -- as has stated many times -- he wants a diplomatic solution.
http://rt.com/news/185396-ukraine-ceasefire-russia-militia/

Unfortunately, the US wants a big war in eastern Europe. Meck's relatives were sold down the river -- but not by Russia. MHG

Meck77
09-05-2014, 03:41 PM
There is supposed to be a cease fire today. Let's hope it happens -- and holds. The Ukrainians were getting the worst of the fighting -- which probably explains why they agreed to it. Putin agreed to it because -- as has stated many times -- he wants a diplomatic solution.
http://rt.com/news/185396-ukraine-ceasefire-russia-militia/

Unfortunately, the US wants a big war in eastern Europe. Meck's relatives were sold down the river -- but not by Russia. MHG

Your parents must have been communists.

mhgaffney
09-05-2014, 04:17 PM
Your parents must have been communists.

Absolutely not.

I am of Irish German English descent.

My dad was a career USAF intelligence officer. His politics were right of center. My mother a bit more of a centrist.

I am the black sheep. I was radicalized at the time of the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. We watched on tv as Mayor Daley's cops beat up and tear gassed antiwar protesters.

In those days the US press had a little bit of independence. Real images of the Vietnam war often appeared on the tube.

None of this happens anymore. We have entered Orwell's nightmare.

Unless the American people awaken soon the US power elite -- a group of power crazed psychopaths -- will provoke the last war -- apparently with Russia and possibly China also -- and your family and mine will become radioactive ash.

If Rickards is correct, however, and a meltdown happens first, we might squeak through.

A diplomatic solution for Ukraine should not be hard to work out. It's not likely at present because those evil b*st*rds running Ukraine know they do not need to negotiate because the US will support them no matter what they do.

It's kind of like US support for Israel. Anything goes. MHG

DenverBrit
09-05-2014, 04:25 PM
I sent an email to German journalist and author Lars Schall, well known 9/11 troofer and asked him why Chancellor Merkel has not taken a more independent path over Ukraine.

Here is his reply:

hi Mark,
the answer: germany is not the master in its own house, it is still a vessel state of the anglo-amaericans.

best,
lars.

FYP

DenverBrit
09-05-2014, 04:27 PM
Quoting RT, Putin's propaganda organ does nothing but make you a dupe and Putin apologist.

A thug who has stolen billions from the Russian people and you admire him.

What new low will you be supporting next? ISIS?

Rohirrim
09-05-2014, 05:53 PM
Quoting RT, Putin's propaganda organ does nothing but make you a dupe and Putin apologist.

A thug who has stolen billions from the Russian people and you admire him.

What new low will you be supporting next? ISIS?

Not to mention, a murderer.

Meck77
09-06-2014, 06:11 AM
Unless the American people awaken soon the US power elite -- a group of power crazed psychopaths -- will provoke the last war -- apparently with Russia and possibly China also -- and your family and mine will become radioactive ash.

I actually poured a couple drinks for Gorbachev once and talked to his daughter. I kinda pissed her off but I thanked her dad for dismantling of the Soviet Union which led to Ukraine's independence again in 1991.

Since when has russia valued human life Gaff? I'm not talking people of other countries. I'm taking of it's own citizens? Right now the Russian kids being shoved into the front lines in Ukraine don't even know where they are headed. All orders are verbal. When they are killed they are often buried on the side of the roads like dogs.

Look I'm not sure what yourangle is defending Russia is but the reality is Ukraine is fighting Russian troops on Ukranian soil and going at it alone. If the United States really was interested in helping they could have jumped in when Crimea was stolen.

The good news is deals have been made with some Nato countries and Ukraine will be receiving precision guided weapons. Oh and as far as any cease fire goes. That's all BS. There is shelling going on right now.

My cousins just got back from poland. They are preparing for war against Russia. So yeah Gaffo go ahead and try and spread your agenda but the reality is it's clear russia desperately wants to enslave more people into it's pathetic communist system. Russians are fleeing in record numbers, freedom is being crushed by putins thugs like never before, and Ukrainians who want a decent standard of life like other European countries are fighting their asses off. Why wouldn't they?

Meck77
09-06-2014, 09:36 AM
For the record. This was the speech by a young Ukrainian volunteer on the Maidan Kiev back in March. He gave this speech after the Russian backed criminal president of the Ukraine opened fired on it's own people via snipers. This is the speech that launched the final march on the parliament that led to Yanukovich fleeing to Russia. This guy is not the CIA. Not American. The people that led the march on the Maidan were Ukrainian citizens that were tired of losing Billions of their tax dollars to thieves. If it was not for him and this speech the people would have likely backed down and Yanukovich and Putin would still be in control of ukraine. The speech had that big of an impact on the people.

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W*GS
09-06-2014, 09:43 AM
gaffenikov's "thinking" goes like this...

Jews are the most insidious and evil group on the planet. They control the global financial system. The have conquered America - the US is now subject to the Zionist Occupational Government, i.e., ZOG. The ZOG is so evil that any enemy or threat to the ZOG-controlled America must be supported and excused. Russia, being a threat to the ZOG-controlled America, is therefore worthy of adulation and help. Putin, also recognizing the threat that Jews pose to the world, is a fantastic guy.

Any enemy of the ZOG-controlled America is a friend to gaffenikov, since defeat of the ZOG-controlled US government will enable the real America to be reborn, once the Jews have been eliminated.

That's his sick ***king mind in essence.

Meck77
09-06-2014, 11:15 AM
There is a reason why more than a MILLION jews have fled Russia for Israel in recent years. Jews rank right up there Homosexuals in Putin's Russia. Meanwhile in Ukraine Jews have lived peacefully along with other minorities, gays etc. Hell the non jews don't even want to live in putin's russia. Putin is going to end up getting dragged through the streets of Russia by his own people in due time.



Glasnost and end of the USSR[edit]
In 1989 a record 71,000 Soviet Jews were granted exodus from the USSR, of whom only 12,117 immigrated to Israel. At first, American policy treated Soviet Jews were refugees and allowed unlimited numbers to emigrate, but this policy eventually came to an end. As a result, more Jews began moving to Israel, as it was the only country willing to take them unconditionally.

In the 1980s, the liberal government of Mikhail Gorbachev allowed unlimited Jewish emigration, and the Soviet Union itself collapsed in 1991. As a result, a mass emigration of Jews from the former Soviet Union took place. Since the 1970s, over 1.1 million Russians of Jewish origin immigrated to Israel, of whom 100,000 emigrated to third countries such as the United States and Canada soon afterward and 240,000 were not considered Jewish under Halakha, but were eligible under the Law of Return due to Jewish ancestry or marriage. Since the adoption of the Jackson–Vanik amendment, over 600,000 Soviet Jews have emigrated.

Russia today[edit]
Jews make up about 0.16% of the total population of Russia, according to the 2002 census. Most Russian Jews are secular and identify themselves as Jews via ethnicity rather than religion, although interest about Jewish identity as well as practice of Jewish tradition amongst Russian Jews is growing. The Lubavitch has been active in this sector, setting up synagogues and Jewish kindergartens in Russian cities with Jewish populations. In addition, most Russian Jews have relatives in Israel.

Since the dissolution of the USSR, democratization in the former USSR has brought with it a good deal of tragic irony for the country's minorities, especially the Jewish population. The absence of Soviet-era repression exposed the remaining Jews to a resurgence of antisemitism in the former Soviet Union. However, there has not been a return to mass antisemitic incidents in Russia or anywhere else throughout the former Soviet Union.

There are several major Jewish organizations in the territories of the former USSR. The central Jewish organization is the Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS under the leadership of Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar.

A linguistic distinction remains to this day in the Russian language where there are two distinct terms that correspond to the word Jew in English. The word еврей ("yevrey" - Hebrew) typically denotes a Jewish ethnicity, as "Hebrew" did in English up until the early 20th century. The word иудей ("iudey" - Judean, etymologically related to the English Jew) is reserved for denoting a follower of the Jewish religion, whether ethnically Jewish or not; this term has largely fallen out of use in favor of the equivalent term иудаист. For example, according to a 2012 Russian survey, евреи account for only 32.2% of иудаисты in Russia, with nearly half (49.8%) being ethnic Russians (русские),[62] although many of these ethnic Russians could be Subbotniks of entirely non-Jewish background. An ethnic slur, жид (borrowed from the Polish Żyd, Jew), also remains in widespread use in Russia.


A demonstration in Russia. The antisemitic slogans cite Henry Ford and Empress Elizabeth.
Antisemitism is one of the most common expressions of xenophobia in post-Soviet Russia, even among some groups of politicians.[63] Despite stipulations against fomenting hatred based on ethnic or religious grounds (Article 282 of Russian Federation Penal Code),[64] antisemitic pronouncements, speeches and articles are not uncommon in Russia, and there are a large number of antisemitic neo-Nazi groups in the republics of the former Soviet Union, leading Pravda to declare in 2002 that "Anti-Semitism is booming in Russia".[65] Over the past few years there have also been bombs attached to antisemitic signs, apparently aimed at Jews, and other violent incidents, including stabbings, have been recorded.

mhgaffney
09-06-2014, 02:28 PM
Quoting RT, Putin's propaganda organ does nothing but make you a dupe and Putin apologist.

A thug who has stolen billions from the Russian people and you admire him.

What new low will you be supporting next? ISIS?

You and the other knee jerks miss the point.

The US policy in Ukraine is extremely stupid and reckless. You should be paying attention to what PCR and others are saying. Forget about me. I'm just a messenger.

mhgaffney
09-06-2014, 02:38 PM
Russia's antisemitism problem (assuming it's real) is not at issue.

As I pointed out, one of the top rabbis in Kiev warned Unkrainian Jews NOT about Russia -- but about the local fascists who rose to power last February in the US-backed coup.

He warned the Jews of Ukraine to leave Ukraine for their own protection.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.575732

W*gs and the other troglodytes need to explain why they are supporting Neo Nazis in Kiev.

gyldenlove
09-07-2014, 08:41 AM
There is a reason why more than a MILLION jews have fled Russia for Israel in recent years. Jews rank right up there Homosexuals in Putin's Russia. Meanwhile in Ukraine Jews have lived peacefully along with other minorities, gays etc. Hell the non jews don't even want to live in putin's russia. Putin is going to end up getting dragged through the streets of Russia by his own people in due time.



Glasnost and end of the USSR[edit]
In 1989 a record 71,000 Soviet Jews were granted exodus from the USSR, of whom only 12,117 immigrated to Israel. At first, American policy treated Soviet Jews were refugees and allowed unlimited numbers to emigrate, but this policy eventually came to an end. As a result, more Jews began moving to Israel, as it was the only country willing to take them unconditionally.

In the 1980s, the liberal government of Mikhail Gorbachev allowed unlimited Jewish emigration, and the Soviet Union itself collapsed in 1991. As a result, a mass emigration of Jews from the former Soviet Union took place. Since the 1970s, over 1.1 million Russians of Jewish origin immigrated to Israel, of whom 100,000 emigrated to third countries such as the United States and Canada soon afterward and 240,000 were not considered Jewish under Halakha, but were eligible under the Law of Return due to Jewish ancestry or marriage. Since the adoption of the Jackson–Vanik amendment, over 600,000 Soviet Jews have emigrated.

Russia today[edit]
Jews make up about 0.16% of the total population of Russia, according to the 2002 census. Most Russian Jews are secular and identify themselves as Jews via ethnicity rather than religion, although interest about Jewish identity as well as practice of Jewish tradition amongst Russian Jews is growing. The Lubavitch has been active in this sector, setting up synagogues and Jewish kindergartens in Russian cities with Jewish populations. In addition, most Russian Jews have relatives in Israel.

Since the dissolution of the USSR, democratization in the former USSR has brought with it a good deal of tragic irony for the country's minorities, especially the Jewish population. The absence of Soviet-era repression exposed the remaining Jews to a resurgence of antisemitism in the former Soviet Union. However, there has not been a return to mass antisemitic incidents in Russia or anywhere else throughout the former Soviet Union.

There are several major Jewish organizations in the territories of the former USSR. The central Jewish organization is the Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS under the leadership of Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar.

A linguistic distinction remains to this day in the Russian language where there are two distinct terms that correspond to the word Jew in English. The word еврей ("yevrey" - Hebrew) typically denotes a Jewish ethnicity, as "Hebrew" did in English up until the early 20th century. The word иудей ("iudey" - Judean, etymologically related to the English Jew) is reserved for denoting a follower of the Jewish religion, whether ethnically Jewish or not; this term has largely fallen out of use in favor of the equivalent term иудаист. For example, according to a 2012 Russian survey, евреи account for only 32.2% of иудаисты in Russia, with nearly half (49.8%) being ethnic Russians (русские),[62] although many of these ethnic Russians could be Subbotniks of entirely non-Jewish background. An ethnic slur, жид (borrowed from the Polish Żyd, Jew), also remains in widespread use in Russia.


A demonstration in Russia. The antisemitic slogans cite Henry Ford and Empress Elizabeth.
Antisemitism is one of the most common expressions of xenophobia in post-Soviet Russia, even among some groups of politicians.[63] Despite stipulations against fomenting hatred based on ethnic or religious grounds (Article 282 of Russian Federation Penal Code),[64] antisemitic pronouncements, speeches and articles are not uncommon in Russia, and there are a large number of antisemitic neo-Nazi groups in the republics of the former Soviet Union, leading Pravda to declare in 2002 that "Anti-Semitism is booming in Russia".[65] Over the past few years there have also been bombs attached to antisemitic signs, apparently aimed at Jews, and other violent incidents, including stabbings, have been recorded.

Funny.

The annual average of jewish emigrants from Russia and other former soviet republics was in excess of 70000 in the 10 years prior to Putin coming to power. Since then it has dropped to less than 14000.....

W*GS
09-07-2014, 08:48 AM
W*gs and the other troglodytes need to explain why they are supporting Neo Nazis in Kiev.

Why do you think Jews control the world?

Why do you think America is being run by the ZOG?

Why do you fluff Putin, who's little more than a criminal thug?

Meck77
09-07-2014, 10:42 AM
Funny.

The annual average of jewish emigrants from Russia and other former soviet republics was in excess of 70000 in the 10 years prior to Putin coming to power. Since then it has dropped to less than 14000.....

Uh huh...You got some facts? Jews are as well received in russia as gays. Got a friend who lives out there who's gay. It's a nightmare for him. He's made comments that at least he's not a jewish and gay or he'd probably be dead!

mhgaffney
09-07-2014, 04:41 PM
Uh huh...You got some facts? Jews are as well received in russia as gays. Got a friend who lives out there who's gay. It's a nightmare for him. He's made comments that at least he's not a jewish and gay or he'd probably be dead!

Even if this is true, it's beside the point. It is a dodge on your part -- not relevant to what is occurring in Ukraine.

The present crisis did not start in Moscow -- it started because of US intervention. The US backed February coup was a continuation of Operation Gladio that started after WW II.

NATO, the CIA and British intelligence armed and trained groups in every country of NATO -- groups that staged assassinations, terrorist bombings and coups at the direction of the US.

During JFK's presidency the CIA/NATO had to scale back Gladio -- no doubt one of the reasons they executed JFK.

What happened last February made it clear that, despite the end of the Cold War 20+ years ago, the US had continued with the covert ops. MHG

W*GS
09-07-2014, 04:45 PM
comrade gaffenikov is, without a doubt, insane.

Completely separated from reality.

Meck77
09-07-2014, 05:15 PM
Even if this is true, it's beside the point. It is a dodge on your part -- not relevant to what is occurring in Ukraine.

The present crisis did not start in Moscow -- it started because of US intervention. The US backed February coup was a continuation of Operation Gladio that started after WW II.

NATO, the CIA and British intelligence armed and trained groups in every country of NATO -- groups that staged assassinations, terrorist bombings and coups at the direction of the US.

During JFK's presidency the CIA/NATO had to scale back Gladio -- no doubt one of the reasons they executed JFK.

What happened last February made it clear that, despite the end of the Cold War 20+ years ago, the US had continued with the covert ops. MHG

Yanukovich was a world class thief. Stealing BILLIONS from his people. You really think the United States needed to motivate people to run off a piece of trash like Yano? come on dude. You aren't that stupid.

As far as the mass exodus of jews out of Russia it's very important to the situation as Jews were living peacefully in Ukraine.

Even the Dalai Lama called Putin self centered today and said his actions will isolate Russia to it's demise. lol

Gaffo yap all you want. Putin has lost support of almost every country in the world. Hell when putin stole the last election to seize power he basically declared martial law just put down the massive protests. The russian people now are too scared to protest much but they are at the risk of their life!

I really don't believe what you are saying anyway. You have some agenda to push but at the end of the day there is no way you really believe Putin isn't behind the hundreds of tanks and war in Ukraine.

mhgaffney
09-08-2014, 10:52 AM
The new pope has been a lot tougher on the western capitalists, than Putin.

BTW, my only agenda is a world at peace - -and avoiding nuclear war. I have no ideology. Maybe this is why I can see thee world through the eyes of US enemies, including Russia.

You think Putin stole the last election? Where did you hear that? What nonsense. Is that why Putin is more popular in Russia than ever?

Here is what I see. The US power elite got a taste of looting Russia in the 1990s under the corrupt Yeltsin. They plundered $300-400 billion out of Russia in those years. The only reason it ended is because Putin came to power and put an end to it. This is the basis for his deep support in Russia. Without Putin there would be no Russia today. Russian sovereignty would have been destroyed.

This explains the loose talk about assassinating Putin. He stands in the way of plundering Russia again. MHG

Meck77
09-08-2014, 11:34 AM
It's clear you support our enemies.

Putin's popularity was near an all time low until he created this war with Ukraine. He's taken control of all the media there and the people don't even understand the truth. What little support he has is from the people who really think that Ukraine is going to take over russia! It's laughable that Ukraine could pull that off.

Part of your position that Russia isn't involved in Ukraine. Russia has finally gone on record saying Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine. Their excuse. We didn't know they were there and volunteered while on Vacation. The lies are piling up faster that can even be reported.

The good news is Nato countries are arming Ukraine now! If Putin wants Ukraine he's going to have to send a couple hundred thousand guys to their death in the process. Putin's problem with that is the guys he sending don't even know they are going there. He won't be able to rally the numbers needed to take Ukraine. This stealth war approach won't work now that NATO is leveling the playing field a bit. Ukrainian men are volunteering by the tens of thousands right now and will be outfitted with the latest weapons!

Rohirrim
09-08-2014, 11:43 AM
The new pope has been a lot tougher on the western capitalists, than Putin.

BTW, my only agenda is a world at peace - -and avoiding nuclear war. I have no ideology. Maybe this is why I can see thee world through the eyes of US enemies, including Russia.

You think Putin stole the last election? Where did you hear that? What nonsense. Is that why Putin is more popular in Russia than ever?

Here is what I see. The US power elite got a taste of looting Russia in the 1990s under the corrupt Yeltsin. They plundered $300-400 billion out of Russia in those years. The only reason it ended is because Putin came to power and put an end to it. This is the basis for his deep support in Russia. Without Putin there would be no Russia today. Russian sovereignty would have been destroyed.

This explains the loose talk about assassinating Putin. He stands in the way of plundering Russia again. MHG

Putin is a mobster. Nothing more. Nothing less.

W*GS
09-08-2014, 12:02 PM
BTW, my only agenda is a world at peace - -and avoiding nuclear war. I have no ideology.

Bull****.

http://secretlaboratory.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Steaming-Pile.jpg

mhgaffney
09-08-2014, 01:16 PM
Americans have never been more out of touch with the world than now, in our time. Mike Whitney is a notable exception. He is one of the few who actually does research.

It appears that the Ukrainian army has just had its ass kicked -- by a volunteer army in eastern Ukraine. MHG

Did Putin Just Bring Peace to Ukraine?

By Mike Whitney

“In the implementing of their policies, our western partners– the United States first and foremost – prefer to be guided not by international law, but by force. They believe in their own ‘exceptionalism’, that they are allowed to decide on the fate of the world, and that they are always right.”

– Russian President Vladimir Putin

“What did we do to deserve this? What did we do to deserve being bombed from planes, shot at from tanks, and have phosphorous bombs dropped on us? ….That we wanted to live the way we want, and speak our own language, and make friends with whom we want?”

– Alexander V. Zakharchenko, Chairman of The Council of Ministers of The Donetsk National Republic, The Vineyard of the Saker

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/05/did-putin-just-bring-peace-to-ukraine/

September 08, 2014 "ICH" - "Counterpunch" - There is no way to overstate the significance of what has transpired in Ukraine in the last three weeks. What began as a murderous onslaught on the mainly Russian-speaking population of east Ukraine, has turned into a major triumph against a belligerent and expansionistic empire that has been repulsed by a scrappy, battle-hardened militia engaged in a conventional, land-based war. The conflict in east Ukraine is Obama’s war; launched by Obama’s junta government, executed by Obama’s proxy army, and directed by Obama’s advisors in Kiev.

The driving force behind the war is Washington’s ambitious pivot to Asia, a strategy that pits Russia against Europe to prevent further economic integration and to establish NATO forward-operating bases on Russia’s western border. Despite the overheated rhetoric, the talk of a (NATO) “Rapid Reaction Force”, and additional economic sanctions; the US plan to draw Ukraine into the western sphere of influence and weaken Russia in the process, is in tatters. And the reason it is in tatters is because a highly-motivated and adaptable militia has trounced Obama’s troopers at every turn pushing the Ukrainian army to the brink of collapse. Check out this frontline update from The Saker:

“The (Ukrainian Army) is not retreating on one, two or even three directions, it is retreating everywhere (except north of Lugansk). Entire battalions are leaving the front under orders of their battalion commanders and without the approval of the Junta leaders. At least one such battalion commander is already being judged for desertion. The entire Ukie leadership seems to be in a panic mode, especially Iatseniuk and Kolomoiski, while the Nazis are mad as hell at the Poroshenko administration. There are constant rumors of an anti-Poroshenko coup by outraged Nazi nationalists…..

The bottom line is this: Poroshenko promised a victory in a matter of weeks and his forces suffered one of the most total defeats in the history of warfare. ….the most likely thing is that this ridiculous “Banderastan” experiment has seriously begun sinking now and that many rats are leaving the ship.

“The War in Ukraine“, Vineyard of the Saker

The fact that the demoralized Ukrainian army has been defeated by the superior fighting force is of little importance in the big scheme of things, however, the fact that Washington’s global resource war– which began on 9-11 and has reduced numerous sovereign countries into anarchic, failed states– has been stopped in its tracks, is significant. The so called War on Terror–which was recently rebranded under the ISIS moniker–has wreaked holy havoc and death on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria.

By routing the Ukrainian army the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) has put the kibosh on Obama’s Great Game strategy in Eurasia and torpedoed Washington’s plan to rule the world by force of arms. It could be that the battles of Lugansk and Donetsk are eventually regarded as the turning point, where the lumbering and over-extended empire finally met its match and began its precipitous decline. In any event, there’s no doubt that Friday’s ceasefire agreement is a serious blow to US hegemony.

THE PROBLEM IS NATO

“The defining factor in relations with NATO remains the unacceptability for Russia of plans to move the military infrastructure of the alliance towards our borders, including via enlargement of the bloc,” said Mikhail Popov, deputy head of Putin’s Security Council.

The issue has always been NATO expansion, not the ridiculous claim that Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire. The only one interested in in stitching together a global Caliphate is Barack Hussein Obama and his nutcase neocon advisors. Putin is not interested in an empire. Putin just wants to make money like everyone else. He wants to sell gas to Europe, raise living standards and rebuild the country. What’s wrong with that?

Putin’s not a troublemaker. He’s not sticking a freaking first-strike nuclear missile system in Havana just 60 miles from Miami. But that’s what Obama wants to do. Obama want to establish NATO bases on Russia’s doorstep and deploy his fake-named “missile defense system” a couple hundred miles from Moscow.

DenverBrit
09-08-2014, 01:31 PM
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/bl82/arrowup-green.png
Putin's spam monkey and drool bucket boy.

Meck77
09-09-2014, 07:57 AM
A Putin protest is being organized by Russian citizens for Sept 21st. Will be interesting to see how quickly they are beaten down and jailed.

BroncoBeavis
09-09-2014, 08:33 AM
A Putin protest is being organized by Russian citizens for Sept 21st. Will be interesting to see how quickly they are beaten down and jailed.

When it happens, I'm sure it will just be at the hands of a few vacationing FSB members blowing off a little steam.

Anyway, it's been fun watching Gaff's Propaganda Ministry progression on this issue.

First, grabbing Crimea was ok because a gunpoint vote was scheduled. While the world wondered "is Eastern Ukraine next?" Gaff laughed that off.

Then Poot starts rattling the same 'Ethnic Russian' cage in Eastern Ukraine. Gaff blames Ukraine, says Russia isn't doing anything.

Then Russian regulars are found supporting insurrection in Eastern Ukraine. Gaff denies they're there at all.

Overwhelming proof is presented that Russian regulars are there. Gaff says "They're just on vacation"

Now he's on to openly rooting for Russian victories in Eastern Ukraine. The kind he insisted wouldn't happen, weren't happening, and didn't happen.

Why Gaff is so desperate to spit shine Poot's staff is a mystery to me. Then again, Gaff's so off the deep end, that even Putin himself thinks Gaff's kind are bat**** crazy.

http://rt.com/politics/9-11-putin-seliger-investigation-toronto-355/

Claims that the terror attacks of September 11, 2001 were orchestrated by US intelligence agencies are "complete nonsense," Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told attendees of a youth forum. LOL

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 11:44 AM
The US war machine rolls on in Ukraine -- as economist Michael Hudson explains how the US controlled IMF bankrolled the Ukraine government's war in Dombass. MHG

SEPTEMBER 09, 2014

Losing Credibility
The IMF’s New Cold War Loan to Ukraine

by MICHAEL HUDSON

In April 2014, fresh from riots in Maidan Square and the February 22 coup, and less than a month before the May 2 massacre in Odessa, the IMF approved a $17 billion loan program to Ukraine’s junta. Normal IMF practice is to lend only up to twice a country’s quote in one year. This was eight times as high.

Four months later, on August 29, just as Kiev began losing its attempt at ethnic cleansing against the eastern Donbas region, the IMF signed off on the first loan ever to a side engaged in a civil war, not to mention rife with insider capital flight and a collapsing balance of payments. Based on fictitiously trouble-free projections of the ability to pay, the loan supported Ukraine’s hernia currency long enough to enable the oligarchs’ banks to move their money quickly into Western hard-currency accounts before the hernia plunged further and was worth even fewer euros and dollars.

This loan demonstrates the degree to which the IMF is an arm of U.S. Cold War politics. Kiev used the loan for military expenses to attack the Eastern provinces, and the loan terms imposed the usual budget austerity, as if this would stabilize the country’s finances. Almost nothing will be received from the war-torn East, where basic infrastructure has been destroyed for power generation, water, hospitals and the civilian housing areas that bore the brunt of the attack. Nearly a million civilians are reported to have fled to Russia. Yet the IMF release announced: “The IMF praised the government’s commitment to economic reforms despite the ongoing conflict.”[1] A quarter of Ukraine’s exports normally are from eastern provinces, and are sold mainly to Russia. But Kiev has been bombing Donbas industry and left its coal mines without electricity.

This loan is bound to create even more dissension among IMF staff economists than broke out openly over the disastrous $47 billion loan to Greece – at that time the largest loan in IMF history – prompted a 50-page internal document leaked to the Wall Street Journal acknowledging that the IMF had “badly underestimated the damage that its prescriptions of austerity would do to Greece’s economy.”

http://www.counterpunch.org

DenverBrit
09-09-2014, 12:06 PM
More spam from Gaffney.

Counterpunch? ROFL! What a joke of a site!

How Counterpunch Distorts the Truth

by Alan M. Dershowitz

Counterpunch editor, Alexander Cockburn, specializes in distortions of reality and half-truths. A recent incident illustrates his mendacious modus operandi. In an article posted on Counterpunch, former Senator James Abourezk praised Helen Thomas, who was fired from her job for making bizarrely anti-Semitic statements about Jews going back to Europe. In that post, Abourezk also claimed that I "wrote a column in the Jerusalem Post calling [him] an anti-Semite." Anyone who reads the Jerusalem Post article can easily determine that Abourezk was lying. My article quotes extensively from an interview Abourezk gave on Hezbollah television in which he accused "the Zionists" of causing 9/11, worldwide anti-Muslim attitudes and picking on the Soviet Union. It is a bizarre and bigoted screed. But in the Jerusalem Post article, I did not accuse Abourezk of being an anti-Semite. He simply lied about that as he has done about so many other things related to Jews, Israel and me.

Rushing to Abourezk's defense, Alexander Cockburn points out that in another article, in a different publication, I added the following paragraph: "It is true that not all anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic, but just because it is anti-Zionist does not mean that it is not also anti-Semitic. If the shoe fits…" Cockburn then engages in a contorted conspiracy theory as to why that sentence was not included in the Jerusalem Post article falsely cited by Abourezk. I tried to clear up the confusion by writing a letter to be published on the Counterpunch website. That website published at least 67 comments mostly critical of me and supporting Abourezk and Cockburn, but Cockburn refused to publish the full text of my letter unedited, instead wrenching some words out of context in order to distort what I wrote and then adding a confusing bracket of his own to the text of my letter which he eventually buried in an obscure part of his website. He simply would not allow me to get my unedited say on his biased website. Typical of Counterpunch. I attach the entire correspondence so that your readers can decide for themselves whether they can believe anything they read on Counterpunch.

How Counterpunch Distorts the Truth by Alan M. Dershowitz

broncocalijohn
09-09-2014, 12:06 PM
A Putin protest is being organized by Russian citizens for Sept 21st. Will be interesting to see how quickly they are beaten down and jailed by a volunteer army that Putin doesn't control.

FYP

and what Gaff might say on the 22nd.

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 01:28 PM
More spam from Gaffney.

Counterpunch? ROFL! What a joke of a site!

How Counterpunch Distorts the Truth

by Alan M. Dershowitz


How Counterpunch Distorts the Truth by Alan M. Dershowitz

Israel Finkelstein exposed Dershowitz as a pathological liar in his book Beyond Chutzpah.

Here is a good piece by Chomsky -- also exposing Dershowitz as liar:

Comments on Dershowitz


Noam Chomsky

chomsky.info, August 17, 2006

Alan Dershowitz’s regular little performances are eminently ignorable, including the one reproduced below. But since I’ve been asked several times for comments on this one, a few follow.

Dershowitz’s opens by writing that “Chomsky is circulating a letter which he got two naïve Nobel Prize winners--the playwright Harold Pinter and the poet José Saramago--to sign.” The rest goes on with “Chomsky claims,” etc., and ends with a warning to those who “sign a Chomsky letter without checking its contents. If they don't, it tells us how little they value truth.”

Let’s take it apart, piece by piece.

As Dershowitz knows, the letter was written and circulated by John Berger, who approached the “two naïve Nobel Prize winners,” as well as me and several others. In the normal fashion, some of us had suggestions about the text, and then helped him to circulate it.

By Dershowitz standards, this fabrication is very minor, but it is of some interest nonetheless. Dershowitz readers will be aware that whenever his sensitive antennae pick up a phrase that might be critical of Israeli government policies, if my name is even remotely associated, it quickly becomes the “hard left gang of Israel bashers” led by the evil demon Chomsky. Why the consistent fabrications over the past 36 years – which, of course, merit no response? Dershowitz and I know very well, but others may be intrigued, so I might as well make the reason public for the first time.

His pathetic behavior traces back to what was probably our first contact. In April 1973, Dershowitz wrote a scurrilous attack in the Boston Globe against Israel’s leading human rights activist, Dr. Israel Shahak, the chairman of Israel’s League for Human and Civil Rights, in which he even went so far as to support a government effort to destroy the League by methods so outrageous that they were at once declared illegal by the Israeli courts. I responded, correcting his slanders and fabrications – that is, every single substantive statement. He then tried to lie his way out of it, even descending to falsification of Israeli court records. I responded again, citing the actual court records and responding to his new lies and deceit.

The incident demonstrated conclusively that Dershowitz is not only a remarkable liar and slanderer, but also an extreme opponent of elementary civil rights. That is crystal clear from the correspondence, reproduced below. Dershowitz flew into a fury over the exposure, and ever since has produced a series of hysterical tirades and lies concerning some entity in his fantasy world named “Chomsky,” who lives on “planet Chomsky.” That is his standard style when he is exposed, reaching truly grotesque levels in his efforts to discredit Norman Finkelstein (and even his mother, probably a new low in depravity) after Finkelstein’s meticulous documentation of Dershowitz’s astonishing lies in his vulgar apologetics for Israeli crimes (Beyond Chutzpah).

for the rest
http://www.chomsky.info/letters/20060817.htm

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 01:35 PM
OManers need a constant reminder about the REAL threat to world peace. It certainly is not China or Russia.

Here's a list by former state department official William Blum -- showing that the US is far and away the biggest threat to peace on the planet. And we have been since at least the end of WW II. MHG

Overthrowing Other People’s Governments: The Master List

By William Blum
September 09, 2014 "ICH" - Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Libya 2011*
Syria 2012

Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington?

A: Because there’s no American embassy there.

http://williamblum.org/

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 01:39 PM
I would add Ukraine to Blum's list.

broncocalijohn
09-09-2014, 01:45 PM
Great list. I like the Panama one where we took out tge drug runner from office.

elsid13
09-09-2014, 01:52 PM
How did we overthrow East Germany in 1950s????

BroncoBeavis
09-09-2014, 02:02 PM
How did we overthrow East Germany in 1950s????

Ike probably made a speech about East German Commies being bad mmmkay. Gaff interprets that as an overthrow attempt.

Meck77
09-09-2014, 02:24 PM
Gaff...If the United States has so much influence and desire to overthrow all those countries and rule the world how can you explain that a guy like you hasn't been thrown in jail as a threat to the government as a home grown terrorist?

You have worked so hard to defend Putin and how lovely it is in Russia but a guy like you would be sitting in Siberia or more than likely dead if you spoke openly about Russia like you do the USA.

For as much as you hate this country you have to admit you are free to piss all over it and hate it. Not the case for a Russian in Russia!

DenverBrit
09-09-2014, 03:13 PM
Israel Finkelstein exposed Dershowitz as a pathological liar in his book Beyond Chutzpah.

Here is a good piece by Chomsky -- also exposing Dershowitz as liar:

Comments on Dershowitz


Noam Chomsky


http://www.chomsky.info/letters/20060817.htm

Nice try, but fail again. I followed the link and read the Dershowitz letter, he was telling the truth. Obviously, all you have is more deflection and you were too lazy to look for yourself..

Anyway, counterpunch is famous for its bullshiit, something you both have in common.

DenverBrit
09-09-2014, 03:19 PM
William Blum, another counterpoint contributor.

Rohirrim
09-09-2014, 03:21 PM
Hey, Gaffnikov. Who invaded and seized the Crimean Peninsula, Wall Street, or Putin?

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 05:22 PM
Hey, Gaffnikov. Who invaded and seized the Crimean Peninsula, Wall Street, or Putin?

We do not agree about what happened. I say the Russian majority of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia, and did.

You regurgitate the propaganda out of Washington that Russia invaded.

You choose to ignore the overall US policy of provoking Russia and destabilizing eastern Europe -- just like the US attempted to destabilize Georgia in the Caucusus a few years ago

Just like the US....

look at William Blum's list....it goes on and on. This is the historical reality since WW II -- which you work very hard to ignore.

MHG

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 05:23 PM
Counterpoint?

Brit can't even correctly name the site. Duh...

mhgaffney
09-09-2014, 05:35 PM
Bluster and Bluff in the Baltic


By Pat Buchanan

September 09, 2014 "ICH" - "I say to the people of Estonia and the people of the Baltics, today we are bound by our treaty alliance. ... Article 5 is crystal clear: An attack on one is an attack on all. So if ... you ever ask again, 'who'll come to help,' you'll know the answer — the NATO alliance, including the armed forces of the United States of America."

That was Barack Obama in Tallinn, Estonia, last week, reissuing a U.S. war guarantee to the tiniest of the Baltic republics — which his Cold War predecessors would have regarded as certifiable madness.

From 1945 to 1989, no president would have dreamed of issuing a blank check for war in Eastern Europe. Our red line was in the heart of Germany. It said to Moscow: Cross the Elbe, and we fight.

That red line was made credible by hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops permanently stationed in West Germany.

Yet Truman did not use force to break the Berlin Blockade. Ike did not use force to save the Hungarian rebels. JFK fulminated, and observed, when the Wall went up. When Leonid Brezhnev sent Warsaw Pact armies into Czechoslovakia, LBJ did nothing.

Why did these presidents not act? None believed there was any vital U.S. interest in Eastern Europe worth a war with Russia.

And, truth be told, there was no vital interest there then, and there is no vital interest there now. If we would not risk war with a nuclear-armed Russia over Hungary or Czechoslovakia half a century ago, why would we risk it now over Estonia?

Cold War presidents routinely issued captive nations resolutions, declaring our belief in the right of the peoples behind the Iron Curtain to be free. But no president regarded their liberation worthy of war.

What has changed?

When did the independence of the Baltic republics, miraculous and welcome as it is, become so critical to us that if Russia intrudes into Estonia, we will treat it as an attack on our homeland?

In 1994, George Kennan called the expansion of NATO into the old Soviet bloc "a strategic blunder of potentially epic proportions."

Yet we not only brought into NATO all the Warsaw Pact nations, George W. Bush brought in the Baltic republics.

To see the folly of what we have done, consider Ukraine, which has been involved in a military and political collision with Russia ever since we colluded in the overthrow of its pro-Russian regime.

As neocons cheered the ouster of the corrupt and incompetent, but democratically elected, Viktor Yanukovych, Vladimir Putin moved to secure and annex Crimea, and pro-Russian separatists sought to break away from Kiev and achieve independence or reunification with Russia.

A question arises: Why do not the pro-Russian separatists of Donetsk and Luhansk have the same right to secede from Ukraine, as Ukraine had to secede from the Soviet Union?

And why is this quarrel any of America's business? Was it the business of Czar Alexander II when the 11 Southern states seceded from the Union and, then, West Virginia seceded from Virginia?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39621.htm

Meck77
09-09-2014, 06:07 PM
We do not agree about what happened. I say the Russian majority of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia, and did.

You regurgitate the propaganda out of Washington that Russia invaded.

You choose to ignore the overall US policy of provoking Russia and destabilizing eastern Europe -- just like the US attempted to destabilize Georgia in the Caucusus a few years ago

Just like the US....

look at William Blum's list....it goes on and on. This is the historical reality since WW II -- which you work very hard to ignore.

MHG

Russia did invade. There were tanks and green men crawling all over Crimea the weeks leading to the "vote". You really think a free election involves armed men at voting locations? People were being beaten all over crimea and killed for protesting.

I use to think Gaffo was just a little nuts. Then I moved him up to troll status. This guy flat out needs to be put on the terrorist watch list if he already isn't on it.

Guys like Gaffo are a step away from pulling off an Oklahoma City or helping those to pull it off in the name of "freedom" and maybe even for their beloved mother russia.

elsid13
09-09-2014, 06:14 PM
Graff has no problem allowing eastern Europe to be taken over by a KGB thug, forget freedom when have Putin and his cronies.

DenverBrit
09-09-2014, 06:29 PM
Counterpoint?

Brit can't even correctly name the site. Duh...

LOL

This coming form the resident idiot that claimed Germany won WW1 and offered Britain favorable terms of surrender. :spit:

My minor error is nothing compared to your daily bullshiit and lies.

You spam the board with utter nonsense from informationcraphouse and counterpunch.
Both of which are laughable outlets for a variety of fringe loons like yourself.

Meck77
09-09-2014, 07:09 PM
Check out this video of what it's like to be a new russian soldier. Warning Gruesome video. (oh and of course the united states is responsible for hiring all these actors who speak perfect Russian. All this video was filmed at Hollywood studios ) Right Gaffo?

http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/abuse-in-the-russian-army/

Imagine what these guys did to citizens in Crimea when they invaded. To putin a russian soldiers life means nothing. His enemies even less. One of the russian trademarks in Ukraine lately has been to rip the hearts out Ukrainian citizens. This of course after their women are raped and beaten in front of them.

W*GS
09-09-2014, 08:22 PM
Fap material for gaffenikov...

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/7/24/10/enhanced-buzz-16876-1374675676-0.jpg

mhgaffney
09-10-2014, 10:33 AM
Check out this video of what it's like to be a new russian soldier. Warning Gruesome video. (oh and of course the united states is responsible for hiring all these actors who speak perfect Russian. All this video was filmed at Hollywood studios ) Right Gaffo?

http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/abuse-in-the-russian-army/

Imagine what these guys did to citizens in Crimea when they invaded. To putin a russian soldiers life means nothing. His enemies even less. One of the russian trademarks in Ukraine lately has been to rip the hearts out Ukrainian citizens. This of course after their women are raped and beaten in front of them.

I'll look at the link if you'll look at this portrait of Ukraine's oligarchs -- who are running the place. Do you think they give a hoot about the average Ukrainian patriot?


Ukraine's Oligarchs Are Still Calling the Shots
The revolutionaries of the Maidan wanted to end crony capitalism. But it's back with a vengeance.

BY SERGII LESHCHENKO AUGUST 14, 2014

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/14/ukraines_oligarchs_are_still_calling_the_shots_0

mhgaffney
09-10-2014, 10:35 AM
Amazing how W*gs projects his own issues when he attacks others.

Despite himself, he is transparently what he is.

MHG

mhgaffney
09-10-2014, 10:36 AM
Check out this video of what it's like to be a new russian soldier. Warning Gruesome video. (oh and of course the united states is responsible for hiring all these actors who speak perfect Russian. All this video was filmed at Hollywood studios ) Right Gaffo?

http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/abuse-in-the-russian-army/

Imagine what these guys did to citizens in Crimea when they invaded. To putin a russian soldiers life means nothing. His enemies even less. One of the russian trademarks in Ukraine lately has been to rip the hearts out Ukrainian citizens. This of course after their women are raped and beaten in front of them.

You are aware that ~100,000 US GIs committed suicide after serving in Vietnam?

You are aware of the huge sex scandals currently raging in the US military?

W*GS
09-10-2014, 12:54 PM
You are aware that ~100,000 US GIs committed suicide after serving in Vietnam?

You are aware of the huge sex scandals currently raging in the US military?

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

You're so ****ing obvious, comrade gaffenikov.

YOU'RE INSANE!

Meck77
09-10-2014, 09:46 PM
So at least on paper Russia agrees to remove it's troops and military equipment from Ukraine. Gaffo are you finally at least ready to admit Russia has invaded Ukraine? Putin did. http://en.censor.net.ua/news/301950/there_is_an_agreement_on_withdrawal_of_russian_tro ops_and_equipment_from_ukraine_german_foreign_mini stry

Reality is it's all BS. Putin put forth a 7 point plan to "bring peace to Ukraine" and says he will go home now.

They brokered a 6 point plan with Georgia and 2008. http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=146669

Meanwhile Obama has launched another WAR front on Syria now so he's not even paying attention to Putin anymore.

At some point we need to face reality. There is a world war happening right now.

SoCalBronco
09-10-2014, 10:30 PM
Deflect, deflect, deflect.

You're so ****ing obvious, comrade gaffenikov.

YOU'RE INSANE!

Probably the most apt line in Star Trek lore for Gaff is the following

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9799/privateconsultation1hi5.jpg

"Ofcourse he's a Russkie but he's a retard or something"

Johnykbr
09-11-2014, 07:38 AM
I'll look at the link if you'll look at this portrait of Ukraine's oligarchs -- who are running the place. Do you think they give a hoot about the average Ukrainian patriot?


Ukraine's Oligarchs Are Still Calling the Shots
The revolutionaries of the Maidan wanted to end crony capitalism. But it's back with a vengeance.

BY SERGII LESHCHENKO AUGUST 14, 2014

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/14/ukraines_oligarchs_are_still_calling_the_shots_0

I guess you do have something there. All Putin does with his former BFF Oligarchs is declare them enemies of the state, steal their billions and keeps the money for himself, then tries to assassinate them in whatever country they flee to.

mhgaffney
09-11-2014, 10:51 AM
I have seen no evidence in any if the links you've posted that Russian military forces are/were involved in Ukraine.

The analysis by former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, NSA whistleblower William Binney and former FBI agent Colleen Rowley et al is still the best analysis we have. None of you has refuted it.

No doubt, Putin was providing arms and intelligence, but so what? The US supported the Ukrainian Neo Nazis for many years.

Let's hope the cease fire holds -- but I doubt it will. The US seems determined to push the crisis to another level. MHG

mhgaffney
09-11-2014, 11:06 AM
A good summation. If the Neo Nazis and oligarchs in west Ukraine violate the cease fire on orders from Washington, and if the EU imposes new sanctions on Russia (again, on orders from Washington),

Putin may bide his time until next winter --- then cut off the gas spigot. The resulting panic in Europe might then bring the Europeans back to their senses. MHG

The Ukraine Crisis Remains Unresolved
By Paul Craig Roberts

September 11, 2014 "ICH" - Some Western commentators interpret the cease fire in Ukraine obtained by President Putin as a victory for Russia. The reasoning is that the cease fire leaves Ukraine with disputed borders, which rules out Ukraine’s membership in NATO.

But will the cease fire hold? The right-wing Kiev militias, whose members often wear nazi insignias, are not under Kiev’s complete control. These militias can easily violate the cease fire, and there are already reports of violations. Moreover the billionaire oligarch that Washington has installed in Kiev as president of Ukraine will violate the ceasefire on Washington’s orders, unless, of course, Putin has put the fear of God in him.

To a military strategist the Russian response to the trouble that Washington has caused Russia in Ukraine, longer a part of Russia than the US has existed, is a mystery. Russia lost Ukraine because of its weakness when the Soviet Union collapsed, and Washington forced Russia to permit an independent Ukraine, which served Washington’s purpose of breaking up the Russian Federation.

The western Ukrainians, who fought for Hitler during World War II, maintained an impressive lobby organization in Washington and secured their independent country, but they did not control Ukraine because much of the country consists of former Russian territories made part of Ukraine by Soviet leaders in the 20th century.

Blood ties from intermarriage over centuries and tied economic interrelationships between Russia and Ukraine achieved over centuries essentially left Ukraine as part of Russia, where it has resided for centuries.

This frustrated the World Empire Neoconservatives, who have controlled the US government since the corrupt Clintons, whose regime brought Third World corruption into American political life. Remember Robert Reich, Clinton’s university friend and Secretary of Labor who resigned from Clinton’s cabinet on principle. Clinton betrayed the constituency that elected him, as did Obama. Clinton’s two-timed wife, allied with Zionist Israel, the banksters, and the military/security complex, is the Democrats’ current favorite for their next presidential nominee.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39632.htm

elsid13
09-11-2014, 04:44 PM
The only Neo Nazi is Putin and his boy Mhgraffney

W*GS
09-11-2014, 06:03 PM
The only Neo Nazi is Putin and his boy Mhgraffney

Yup.

mhgaffney
09-12-2014, 07:16 AM
The only Neo Nazi is Putin and his boy Mhgraffney

You missed these photos of the Ukrainian Nazis taken in Kiev last February?

Rohirrim
09-12-2014, 07:37 AM
More Putin propaganda.

mhgaffney
09-12-2014, 10:39 AM
So, Ro do you deny that the Ukrainian fascists fought with the Nazis in WW II -- against Russia?

Do you deny that they hate Russia -- and Jews as well?

Rohirrim
09-12-2014, 10:46 AM
So, Ro do you deny that the Ukrainian fascists fought with the Nazis in WW II -- against Russia?

Do you deny that they hate Russia -- and Jews as well?

No. And I don't deny they are a part, making up maybe a third, of the Ukrainian government itself. Ukraine is a deeply unsettled country and needs help to get itself together. That's still no excuse to allow Putin to simply add it to his new Soviet Union, piece by piece. All of Europe is struggling with rabid, nationalist, right wing movements, as is America, to a lesser extent. I'm surprised you don't mention Russia's own home-grown fascist movement which has branches all over the country and has been carrying out murderous attacks against gays and immigrants without Putin doing a damn thing about it. But of course, he's deeply concerned about the fascists in Ukraine. Putin: "Ukraine needs to be saved from itself!" blah, blah, blah

mhgaffney
09-12-2014, 10:50 AM
No. And I don't deny they are a part, making up maybe a third, of the Ukrainian government itself. Ukraine is a deeply unsettled country and needs help to get itself together. That's still no excuse to allow Putin to simply add it to his new Soviet Union, piece by piec. All of Europe is struggling with rabid, nationalist, right wing movements, as is America, to a lesser extent. I'm surprised you don't mention Russia's own home-grown fascist movement which has branches all over the country and has been carrying out murderous attacks against gays and immigrants without Putin doing a damn thing about it. But of course, he's deeply concerned about the fascists in Ukraine. blah, blah, blah

Putin has not added the eastern provinces to Russia - -at least not yet.

These are ethnically Russian areas - and should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to live in Ukraine or Russia -- just as the Crimeans decided.

It could be a plebiscite overseen by international observers to make certain it is a fair vote.

If you favor democracy -- then you must agree.

Of course, the USA will oppose such a plebiscite -- because the US purpose is to generate mayhem and chaos in eastern Europe. Do you deny this is the US policy?
MHG

Rohirrim
09-12-2014, 11:18 AM
Putin has not added the eastern provinces to Russia - -at least not yet.

These are ethnically Russian areas - and should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to live in Ukraine or Russia -- just as the Crimeans decided.

It could be a plebiscite overseen by international observers to make certain it is a fair vote.

If you favor democracy -- then you must agree.

Of course, the USA will oppose such a plebiscite -- because the US purpose is to generate mayhem and chaos in eastern Europe. Do you deny this is the US policy?
MHG

The West should declare that Ukraine will not be accepted in NATO and Putin should pull out and leave it alone. Ukraine is the breadbasket of the continent. I imagine there are a number of different forces trying to gain control or influence, Putin chief among them. Given the history, the expansion of NATO was a mistake, but it's not hard to understand why Eastern European states were desperate for protection from Russia. They have a long history, don't they? They know what Russia can do, and has done in the past. They don't want to go back to into the Russian sphere of influence, and who can blame them? Now, both major powers need to back off and let Ukraine settle its own fate, IMO.

broncocalijohn
09-12-2014, 11:35 AM
Putin has not added the eastern provinces to Russia - -at least not yet.

These are ethnically Russian areas - and should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to live in Ukraine or Russia -- just as the Crimeans decided.

It could be a plebiscite overseen by international observers to make certain it is a fair vote.

If you favor democracy -- then you must agree.

Of course, the USA will oppose such a plebiscite -- because the US purpose is to generate mayhem and chaos in eastern Europe. Do you deny this is the US policy?
MHG

So should Chula Vista or any very high populated Mexican city in Arizona, California, New Mexico or California be able to do the same? After all, if you favor democracy then you must agree to give up the cities.

You are retarded. I am 100% sure that Gaffney has surveillance on his whereabouts. If not, he probably goes through life acting like he does.

Anyone else thinks he faps to Mel Gibson's movie Conspiracy Theory?

barryr
09-13-2014, 06:54 AM
Freedom is not achieved at gun point.

mhgaffney
09-13-2014, 11:51 AM
I would revise the header to read: NATO Loses Eastern Ukraine. MHG

Freedom Rider: NATO Loses Ukraine

by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley

“Peace is the last thing that the Nobel Peace Prize winning president wants to see.”

The United States and NATO attack on the Russian Federation has failed. The Ukrainians who refused to accept the legitimacy of the West’s puppet government emerged victorious on the battlefield. If there is any doubt on that point, Ukraine’s decision to sign the Minsk Protocol cease fire agreement is proof. President Poroshenko seemed like a man in the cat bird seat when western nations chose sides in a civil war and kicked out his predecessor. The road to hell was paved with very bad intentions.

One wouldn’t know it from reading and viewing the corporate media, but the western gambit has been disastrous. More than 1 million people have been displaced (most fled to Russia), the economies of many countries have been damaged by sanctions, and atrocities such as the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 would have been avoided if there had been any grown ups at work in the western capitals.

The talking heads should be telling us about the failing effort to prop up the empire, but instead they parrot the words of the losing side. After destroying Libya and killing president Gaddafi the evil empire concluded that they had found a winning formula. Fortunately for humankind, Bashir al Assad hangs on in Syria and all that NATO has to show for its misadventures is ISIS, which grows stronger by the day, beheads American journalists on video, and attacks the legitimacy of Saudi Arabia and the other gulf monarchies who worked hand in hand on the imperial project.

http://blackagendareport.com/node/14412

DenverBrit
09-13-2014, 01:03 PM
I would revise the header to read: NATO Loses Eastern Ukraine. MHG

Freedom Rider: NATO Loses Ukraine

by BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley

“Peace is the last thing that the Nobel Peace Prize winning president wants to see.”

The United States and NATO attack on the Russian Federation has failed. The Ukrainians who refused to accept the legitimacy of the West’s puppet government emerged victorious on the battlefield. If there is any doubt on that point, Ukraine’s decision to sign the Minsk Protocol cease fire agreement is proof. President Poroshenko seemed like a man in the cat bird seat when western nations chose sides in a civil war and kicked out his predecessor. The road to hell was paved with very bad intentions.

One wouldn’t know it from reading and viewing the corporate media, but the western gambit has been disastrous. More than 1 million people have been displaced (most fled to Russia), the economies of many countries have been damaged by sanctions, and atrocities such as the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 would have been avoided if there had been any grown ups at work in the western capitals.

The talking heads should be telling us about the failing effort to prop up the empire, but instead they parrot the words of the losing side. After destroying Libya and killing president Gaddafi the evil empire concluded that they had found a winning formula. Fortunately for humankind, Bashir al Assad hangs on in Syria and all that NATO has to show for its misadventures is ISIS, which grows stronger by the day, beheads American journalists on video, and attacks the legitimacy of Saudi Arabia and the other gulf monarchies who worked hand in hand on the imperial project.

http://blackagendareport.com/node/14412

Spamming the board with ridiculous lies for no other purpose than to inflame.

You're the very definition of a Troll!!

Meck77
09-14-2014, 11:53 AM
I think the West is starting to realize they are going to stop putin without some real force. Curiously enough the "cease fire" was ironed out within days of NATO saying that certainly countries could arm Ukraine within 36 hrs. All at once the agreement was signed. There is still some fighting happening but not to the scale it was.

I think the NATO countries who are supplying weapons now don't want to openly say they are. Why should they? Putin is still sending in weapons via friggen WHITE red cross trucks. About 80 trucks just flooded Ukraine within the last 24 hrs.

At least now maybe the playing field will be a a little more level. When Putin's tanks suddenly blow up from a few miles away the mothers of Russia will certainly be screaming to stop the war more than they already are.

mhgaffney
09-14-2014, 03:25 PM
German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

Germans were confronted with images of their country’s dark past on Monday night, when German public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast. In a report on the fragile cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, Moscow correspondent Bernhard Lichte used pictures of a soldier wearing a combat helmet with the "SS runes" of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps. A second soldier was seen with a swastika on his gear. “Volunteer battalions from nearly every political spectrum are reinforcing the government side,” the ZDF correspondent said in his report.

The video was shot last week in Ukraine by a camera team from Norwegian broadcaster TV2. “We were filming a report about Ukraine’s AZOV battalion in the eastern city of Urzuf, when we came across these soldiers,” Oysten Bogen, a correspondent for the private television station, told NBC News. Minutes before the images were taped, Bogen said he had asked a spokesperson whether the battalion had fascist tendencies. “The reply was: absolutely not, we are just Ukrainian nationalists,” Bogen said.

mhgaffney
09-16-2014, 10:08 AM
I post PCR for one reason -- because he's right on the issues. MHG

Washington’s War Against Russia

By Paul Craig Roberts

September 15, 2014 "ICH" - The new sanctions against Russia announced by Washington and Europe do not make sense as merely economic measures. I would be surprised if Russian oil and military industries were dependent on European capital markets in a meaningful way. Such a dependence would indicate a failure in Russian strategic thinking. The Russian companies should be able to secure adequate financing from Russian Banks or from the Russian government. If foreign loans are needed, Russia can borrow from China.

If critical Russian industries are dependent on European capital markets, the sanctions will help Russia by forcing an end to this debilitating dependence. Russia should not be dependent on the West in any way.

The real question is the purpose of the sanctions. My conclusion is that the purpose of the sanctions is to break up and undermine Europe’s economic and political relations with Russia. When international relations are intentionally undermined, war can be the result. Washington will continue to push sanctions against Russia until Russia shows Europe that there is a heavy cost of serving as Washington’s tool.

Russia needs to break up this process of ever more sanctions in order to derail the drive toward war. In my opinion this is easy for Russia to do. Russia can tell Europe that since you do not like our oil companies, you must not like our gas company, so we are turning off the gas. Or Russia can tell Europe, we don’t sell natural gas to NATO members, or Russia can say we will continue to sell you gas, but you must pay in rubles, not in dollars. This would have the additional benefit of increasing the demand for rubles in exchange markets, thus making it harder for speculators and the US government to drive down the ruble.

The real danger to Russia is a continuation of its low-key, moderate response to the sanctions. This is a response that encourages more sanctions. To stop the sanctions, Russia needs to show Europe that the sanctions have serious costs for Europe.

A Russian response to Washington would be to stop selling to the US the Russian rocket engines on which the US satellite program is dependent. This could leave the US without rockets for its satellites for six years between the period 2016 and 2022.

Possibly the Russian government is worried about losing the earnings from gas and rocket engine sales. However, Europe cannot do without the gas and would quickly abandon its participation in the sanctions, so no gas revenues would be lost. The Americans are going to develop their own rocket engine anyhow, so the Russian sales of rocket engines to the US have at most about 6 more years. But the US with an impaired satellite program for six years would mean a great relief to the entire world from the American spy program. It would also make difficult US military aggression against Russia during the period.

Russian President Putin and his government have been very low-key and unprovocative in responding to the sanctions and to the trouble that Washington continues to cause for Russia in Ukraine. The low-key Russian behavior can be understood as a strategy for undermining Washington’s use of Europe against Russia by presenting a non-threatening face to Europe. However, another explanation is the presence inside Russia of a fifth column that represents Washington’s interest and constrains the power of the Russian government.

Strelkov describes the American fifth column here: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/12/we-will-not-allow-for-russia-to-be-ripped-asunder-and-ruined/

Saker describes the two power groups inside Russia as the Eurasian Sovereignists who stand behind Putin and an independent Russia and the Atlantic Integrationists, the fifth column that works to incorporate Russia in Europe under US hegemony or, failing that, to help Washington break up the Russian Federation into several weaker countries that are too weak to constrain Washington’s use of power. http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.br/2014/09/strelkov-from-swimming-with-piranhas-to.html

Russia’s Atlantic Integrationists share the Brzezinski and Wolfowitz doctrines with Washington. These doctrines are the basis for US foreign policy. The doctrines define the goal of US foreign policy in terms of preventing the rise of other countries, such as Russia and China, that could limit Washington’s hegemony.

Washington is in a position to exploit the tensions between these two Russian power groups. Washington’s fifth column is not best positioned to prevail. However, Washington can at least count on the struggle causing dissent within the Eurasian Sovereignists over Putin’s low-key response to Western provocations. Some of this dissent can be seen in Strelkov’s defense of Russia and more can be seen here:
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/13/the-new-round-of-sanctions-the-pre-war-period/#more-3665

Russia, thinking the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, opened herself to the West. Russian governments trusted the West, and as a result of Russia’s gullibility, the West was able to purchase numerous allies among the Russian elites. Depending on the alignment of the media, these compromised elites are capable of assassinating Putin and attempting a coup.

One would think that by now Putin’s government would recognize the danger and arrest the main elements of the fifth column, followed by trial and execution for treason, in order that Russia can stand united against the Western Threat. If Putin does not take this step, it means either than Putin does not recognize the extent of the threat or that his government lacks the power to protect Russia from the internal threat.

It is clear that Putin has not achieved any respite for his government from the West’s propaganda and economic assault by refusing to defend the Donbass area from Ukrainian attack and by pressuring the Donetsk Republic into a ceasefire when its military forces were on the verge of a major defeat of the disintegrating Ukrainian army. All Putin has achieved is to open himself to criticism among his supporters for betraying the Russians in eastern and southern Ukraine.

The European politicians and elites are so deeply in Washington’s pocket that Putin has little chance of courting Europe with a Russian show of good will. I have never believed that this strategy could work, although I would be pleased if it did. Only a direct threat todeprive Europe of energy has a chance of producing within Europe a foreign policy independent of Washington. I do not think Europe can survive a cutoff of the Russian natural gas. Europe would abandon sanctions in order to guarantee the flow of gas. If Washington’s hold on Europe is so powerful that Europe is willing to endure a major disruption of its energy supply as the price of its vassalage, Russia will know to cease its futile attempts at diplomacy and to prepare for war.

If China sits on the sidelines, China will be the next isolated target and will receive the same treatment.

Washington intends to defeat both countries, either through internal dissent or through war.

Nothing said by Obama or any member of his government or any influential voice in Congress has signaled any pullback in Washington’s drive for hegemony over the world.

The US economy is now dependent on looting and plunder, and Washington’s hegemony is essential to this corrupted form of capitalism.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39683.htm

Meck77
09-16-2014, 10:20 AM
Or here is a thought. Russian troops need to stop killing Ukrainians IN Ukraine and removing the THOUSANDS of russian troops and tanks would be a good start to seeing the sanctions lifted.

Instead Russia sent in another convoy of"peace keeping" white trucks loaded with war materials for WAR.

I recently asked who was paying you to spread these lies and now I realize what others have been saying. YOU profit off writing conspiracy books so you need guys like Putin to create story boards for you. You will probably writing a book supporting Russia and all the BS you are coming up with now. Let's face it. You have found a small niche providing garbage for people to read.

Big brother might have something to say about it. Keep yapping it up Gaffo. Just keep yapping it up.

DenverBrit
09-16-2014, 10:29 AM
Or here is a thought. Russian troops need to stop killing Ukrainians IN Ukraine and removing the THOUSANDS of russian troops and tanks would be a good start to seeing the sanctions lifted.

Instead Russia sent in another convoy of"peace keeping" white trucks loaded with war materials for WAR.

I recently asked who was paying you to spread these lies and now I realize what others have been saying. YOU profit off writing conspiracy books so you need guys like Putin to create story boards for you. You will probably writing a book supporting Russia and all the BS you are coming up with now. Let's face it. You have found a small niche providing garbage for people to read.

Big brother might have something to say about it. Keep yapping it up Gaffo. Just keep yapping it up.

Ah, you've figured out Gaffney's motive: Spread bullshiit then write a limp-wristed book of nonsense and call it a revelation.

It's the troofer movements only source of income, along with t shirt and dvd sales, when they've all failed miserably at their chosen professions.

A bunch of self serving con-men!