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Rohirrim
08-13-2014, 06:19 PM
Okay. A police officer in Ferguson, MO shot to death an 18 year old, recently graduated from high school, black kid. None of the details of this event have been made public, so I won't comment on that. The community, understandably, is highly upset and is protesting this action. Yesterday, it was reported that the police are abusing journalists and not allowing them to cover the protests. Today, two journalists were arrested, one from the Huff Post and the other from the Washington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html

This is what the police look like:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1964357/thumbs/r-FERGUSON-SWAT-huge.jpg

Really?

I hate to break it to you, but that's not policing. That's a military unit.

I'm beginning to think it protest is now illegal in the U.S.

El Minion
08-13-2014, 06:43 PM
It's only been getting worse since I read this.... armed grown men trained "professionally" in fear of dogs at first and now unarmed teenagers

Police Raid Berwyn Heights Mayor's Home, Kill His 2 Dogs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003299_2.html?sid=ST2010091302597)

By Aaron C. Davis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 31, 2008

A police SWAT team raided the home of the mayor in the Prince George's County town of Berwyn Heights on Tuesday, shooting and killing his two dogs, after he brought in a 32-pound package of marijuana that had been delivered to his doorstep, police said.

Mayor Cheye Calvo was not arrested in the raid, which was carried out about 7 p.m. by the Sheriff's Office SWAT team and county police narcotics officers. Prince George's police spokesman Henry Tippett said yesterday that all the residents of the house -- Calvo, his wife and his mother-in-law -- are "persons of interest" in the case.

The package was addressed to Calvo's wife, Trinity Tomsic, said law enforcement officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing.

Tippett said police are working to determine for whom the drugs were meant.

Calvo said yesterday that he did not know how the drugs wound up on his doorstep. He works part time as the mayor and serves as director of expansion for the SEED Foundation, a well-known national nonprofit group that runs urban public boarding schools.

"My government blew through my doors and killed my dogs," Calvo said. "They thought we were drug dealers, and we were treated as such. I don't think they really ever considered that we weren't."

Calvo described a chaotic scene, in which he -- wearing only underwear and socks -- and his mother-in-law were handcuffed and interrogated for hours. They were surrounded by the dogs' carcasses and pools of the dogs' blood, Calvo said.

Spokesmen for the Sheriff's Office and Prince George's police expressed regret yesterday that the mayor's dogs were killed. But they defended the way the raid was carried out, saying it was proper for a case involving such a large amount of drugs.

Sgt. Mario Ellis, a Sheriff's Office spokesman, said the deputies who entered Calvo's home "apparently felt threatened" by the dogs.

"We're not in the habit of going to homes and shooting peoples' dogs," Ellis said. "If we were, there would be a lot more dead dogs around the county."

Calvo, 37, has been mayor of the 3,000-person town near College Park since 2004. His wife is a finance officer for the state, he said.

The investigation that led police to their house in the 8500 block of Edmonston Road began in Arizona, officials said. There, a police dog at a shipping facility identified the package as being filled with marijuana. Prince George's officers posed as deliverymen and brought it to Calvo's home.

Calvo said he came home early from work Tuesday. While walking the dogs, Calvo said, he noticed several black sport-utility vehicles and a woman parked in a car down the street.

"I figured someone was having a party," he recalled.

It was the police. They were watching, waiting for someone to bring the package into the house.

As Calvo returned to the house, he said, he spotted the large package that his mother-in-law had told a deliveryman to leave on the porch. He placed it on a buffet table near the front door and went upstairs to change.

"I brought it inside because I figured it was something we'd gotten for the garden," he said.

Moments later, just after he had undressed, Calvo said, he heard his mother-in-law scream that someone was coming toward the house. He looked out his bedroom window and saw officers in SWAT gear running across the lawn.

"I heard a loud crash and then 'bang, bang, bang,' " he said, recalling the sounds of the police shooting the dogs. "I hit the floor."

As the police came in, Calvo said, they shot his 7-year-old black Labrador retriever, Payton, near the front door and then his 4-year-old dog, Chase, also a black Lab, as the dog ran into a back room. Walking through his house yesterday, Calvo pointed out a bullet hole in the drywall where the younger dog had been shot.

"I understand they have a job to do, but it didn't have to go like that," Calvo said. He said the police could have knocked on his door and asked him about the package. "I've never done drugs in my life. Anyone who knows me knows that I am so adamantly opposed to them."

Police said yesterday that, when they seized the package during the raid, it was unopened.

Berwyn Heights Police Chief Patrick Murphy said county police and the Sheriff's Office had not notified his department of the raid. He said town police could have conducted the search without a SWAT team.

"You can't tell me the chief of police of a municipality wouldn't have been able to knock on the door of the mayor of that municipality, gain his confidence and enter the residence," Murphy said. "It would not have been a necessity to shoot and kill this man's dogs."

Rohirrim
08-13-2014, 06:51 PM
Nice comment: "We're not in the habit of going to homes and shooting peoples' dogs," Ellis said. "If we were, there would be a lot more dead dogs around the county."

Some real empathy there.

TailgateNut
08-13-2014, 06:59 PM
....and Labs are well known for their "attack mode"......mine "attacks" his food every day....beneful is an endangered item in our house......

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 12:18 AM
Just stupid, arrogant, scared, angry white men.... oh, are we talking the police or Republicans.... I will have to check the thread title again.

One of the cops was caught on tape calling the black crowd of protestors "****ing animals"

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 01:11 AM
>>Just stupid, arrogant, scared, angry white men.... <<

This.

Because a small wiener doesn't fix itself.

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 01:42 AM
Oh my god he called an angry mob ****ing animals. We are going to need some extra hate crime legislation and Holder better launch a probe.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 04:52 AM
It's one thing to protest, it's another to riot and loot. It's a pretty rough area, the FBI released a stat yesterday that in 2011 there were over 274(IIRC, edit to follow) gun related murders in this same county.

This morning I saw video of a group of guys looting a wheel store of all the chrome wheels. Is that necessary?

Pony Boy
08-14-2014, 05:39 AM
Hummm........ sounds like a bunch of ****ing animals to me.

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 06:17 AM
I'm trying to figure out why the cops in Ferguson, MO need desert camo fatigues, combat boots and Humvees.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 06:31 AM
It's much cheaper to outfit a department with government surplus items than purchasing brand new "police" equipment.

A department near me purchased a military MRAP vehicle from the government for $1.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 07:53 AM
I'm trying to figure out why the cops in Ferguson, MO need desert camo fatigues, combat boots and Humvees.

See post #6.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 07:54 AM
It's much cheaper to outfit a department with government surplus items than purchasing brand new "police" equipment.

A department near me purchased a military MRAP vehicle from the government for $1.

How ironic is that? :laugh:

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 08:00 AM
It's one thing to protest, it's another to riot and loot. It's a pretty rough area, the FBI released a stat yesterday that in 2011 there were over 274(IIRC, edit to follow) gun related murders in this same county.

This morning I saw video of a group of guys looting a wheel store of all the chrome wheels. Is that necessary?

Is shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at a news crew necessary?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 08:15 AM
Is shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at a news crew necessary?

Good question.

Makes you wonder who the real "animals" are here.

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 08:20 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/12/3470567/why-theres-a-no-fly-zone-over-ferguson-missouri/

More BS, there's a no fly zone in affect. God forbid the media being able to do its duty and film what's going on.

Smiling Assassin27
08-14-2014, 08:34 AM
meh, they're just trying to make sure everyone has health insurance in Ferguson.

ludo21
08-14-2014, 08:36 AM
I'm trying to figure out why the cops in Ferguson, MO need desert camo fatigues, combat boots and Humvees.

as referenced above, it seems like a tough county to control

swaiy
08-14-2014, 08:44 AM
Hummm........ sounds like a bunch of ****ing animals to me.


The police? Yeah. They're ****ing animals.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 08:47 AM
It's one thing to protest, it's another to riot and loot. It's a pretty rough area, the FBI released a stat yesterday that in 2011 there were over 274(IIRC, edit to follow) gun related murders in this same county.

This morning I saw video of a group of guys looting a wheel store of all the chrome wheels. Is that necessary?

No it's not necessary but does it give the police a right to do what they are doing? Does it justify what they are doing at all? No. THAT is propaganda. They want to show videos of people looting to distract from what is really going on.

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 08:47 AM
Another scene from Ferguson:

http://i0.huffpost.com/gen/1965401/thumbs/n-FERGUSON-large570.jpg

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 08:52 AM
It's much cheaper to outfit a department with government surplus items than purchasing brand new "police" equipment.

A department near me purchased a military MRAP vehicle from the government for $1.

Everything is speech, like the SCOTUS said. The outfits of so many police departments in this country say this to me: "**** community policing. We're a ****ing occupying army. And if we want to kick your ass or shoot you, we will do so, as if you were some ****ing raghead insurgent." The "war" on drugs started this ****.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 08:52 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/6ad5274ee417447eced36766fd0736b9/tumblr_na9cvthl8D1sl9rtjo2_500.jpg

Why the **** aren't they being tear gassed and shot at?

You know what this looks like? 50 years ago.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 08:55 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/6287c79d62bcf0562175e3f4d76ac812/tumblr_naaxtbnOFl1r8tysoo1_250.jpg

https://31.media.tumblr.com/49b77ecb519999377f6fa15ae65e0550/tumblr_naaxtbnOFl1r8tysoo2_250.jpg

https://31.media.tumblr.com/eff76aa7b96e323d751ab78ceb6e64b7/tumblr_naaxtbnOFl1r8tysoo5_250.jpg

Shooting people in the face. ****ing animals.

Fedaykin
08-14-2014, 09:05 AM
It's much cheaper to outfit a department with government surplus items than purchasing brand new "police" equipment.

A department near me purchased a military MRAP vehicle from the government for $1.

In their defense, it was actually cheaper than the little blue pills.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 09:11 AM
^

Typical redneck cops with itchy trigger fingers.

These neanderthals signed up just to be able to do this sort of thing.

They are fundamentally not different than the sociopaths from whom they are supposedly charged with protecting society.

Bronco Yoda
08-14-2014, 09:11 AM
"In retrospect it might have been a little much". Ya think?!

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Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 09:14 AM
Ask yourself this question: Is the American police officer a soldier occupying enemy territory?

swaiy
08-14-2014, 09:22 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/d0ce5b2dec2e4e3c357ba3e23ed5a1eb/tumblr_naad6zgZuR1qzx4x3o1_500.png

BroncoBeavis
08-14-2014, 09:24 AM
Ask yourself this question: Is the American police officer a soldier occupying enemy territory?

Doc said it best:

http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/want-govt.jpg

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 09:25 AM
Astoundingly, one-third of all war materiel parceled out to state, local, and tribal police agencies is brand new. This raises further disconcerting questions: Is the Pentagon simply wasteful when it purchases military weapons and equipment with taxpayer dollars? Or could this be another downstream, subsidized market for defense contractors? Whatever the answer, the Pentagon is actively distributing weaponry and equipment made for U.S. counterinsurgency campaigns abroad to police who patrol American streets and this is considered sound policy in Washington. The message seems striking enough: what might be necessary for Kabul might also be necessary for DeKalb County.

In other words, the twenty-first-century war on terror has melded thoroughly with the twentieth-century war on drugs, and the result couldn’t be anymore disturbing: police forces that increasingly look and act like occupying armies.

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The militarization of the police shouldn’t be surprising. As Hubert Williams, a former police director of Newark, New Jersey, and Patrick V. Murphy, former commissioner of the New York City Police Department, put it nearly 25 years ago, police are “barometers of the society in which they operate.” In post-9/11 America, that means police forces imbued with the “hooah” mentality of soldiers and acting as if they are fighting an insurgency in their own backyard.

While the pace of police militarization has quickened, there has at least been some pushback from current and former police officials who see the trend for what it is: the destruction of community policing. In Spokane, Washington, Councilman Mike Fagan, a former police detective, is pushing back against police officers wearing BDUs, calling the get-up “intimidating” to citizens. In Utah, the legislature passed a bill requiring probable cause before police could execute a no-knock raid. Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank has been a vocal critic of militarization, telling the local paper, “We’re not the military. Nor should we look like an invading force coming in.” Just recently, Chief Charlie Beck of the Los Angeles Police Department agreed with the ACLU and the Los Angeles Times editorial board that “the lines between municipal law enforcement and the U.S. military cannot be blurred.”

Retired Seattle police chief Norm Stamper has also become an outspoken critic of militarizing police forces, noting “most of what police are called upon to do, day in and day out, requires patience, diplomacy, and interpersonal skills.” In other words, community policing. Stamper is the chief who green-lighted a militarized response to World Trade Organization protests in his city in 1999 (“The Battle in Seattle”). It’s a decision he would like to take back. “My support for a militaristic solution caused all hell to break loose,” he wrote in the Nation. “Rocks, bottles and newspaper racks went flying. Windows were smashed, stores were looted, fires lighted; and more gas filled the streets, with some cops clearly overreacting, escalating and prolonging the conflict.”

These former policemen and law enforcement officials understand that police officers shouldn’t be breaking down any citizen’s door at 3 a.m. armed with AR-15s and flashbang grenades in search of a small amount of drugs, while an MRAP idles in the driveway. The anti-militarists, however, are in the minority right now. And until that changes, violent paramilitary police raids will continue to break down the doors of nearly 1,000 American households a week.

War, once started, can rarely be contained.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page4/to_terrify_and_occupy_20140814

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 09:30 AM
No it's not necessary but does it give the police a right to do what they are doing? Does it justify what they are doing at all? No. THAT is propaganda. They want to show videos of people looting to distract from what is really going on.

It absolutely does give police the right to defend the welfare of the citizens and the property of said citizens and the city. When they continued to riot, the police responded in kind.

With that said, it makes sense for them to purchase the equipment that they do but they need to actually take the time to convert it to looking like police equipment rather than military. And those uniforms need to be converted as well. Camo is not needed, and if it were, the National Guard would be the ones wearing it.

Also, I thought it was well known that rubber bullets and the like are definitely lethal despite the range they are fired from.

Btw, what IS really going on as you put it?

swaiy
08-14-2014, 09:38 AM
It absolutely does give police the right to defend the welfare of the citizens and the property of said citizens and the city. When they continued to riot, the police responded in kind.

With that said, it makes sense for them to purchase the equipment that they do but they need to actually take the time to convert it to looking like police equipment rather than military. And those uniforms need to be converted as well. Camo is not needed, and if it were, the National Guard would be the ones wearing it.

Also, I thought it was well known that rubber bullets and the like are definitely lethal despite the range they are fired from.

Btw, what IS really going on as you put it?


The citizens they are "defending" are the ones they are shooting in the face. You might need to read up on what's happening. The only reason I feel so compelled to spread the word is so someone like you doesn't have the wool pulled over their eyes.


These people were PEACEFULLY protesting when the police showed up in military gear. Why do you need tanks and snipers for a peaceful gathering? The media isn't allowed in and it has now been declared a no-fly zone for the "safety" of the police and citizens. LMFAO. It's so the truth doesn't get out.

They (police) shot someone in the head and blamed it on a drive-by. Good thing she lived and is telling her story.

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 09:39 AM
Obama should federalize the nat. Guard and declare Marshall law in ferguson. Local police proven to be incapable of handling this.

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 09:41 AM
The citizens they are "defending" are the ones they are shooting in the face. You might need to read up on what's happening. The only reason I feel so compelled to spread the word is so someone like you doesn't have the wool pulled over their eyes.


These people were PEACEFULLY protesting when the police showed up in military gear. Why do you need tanks and snipers for a peaceful gathering? The media isn't allowed in and it has now been declared a no-fly zone for the "safety" of the police and citizens. LMFAO. It's so the truth doesn't get out.

They (police) shot someone in the head and blamed it on a drive-by. Good thing she lived and is telling her story.
Apparently Rights to protest peacefully only apply in white neighborhoods.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 09:41 AM
Why are the police shooting tear gas into people's homes after they are told to go home? Standing right in their yards or actually inside their homes, they are being shot at. Protecting the citizens my ass.

Smiling Assassin27
08-14-2014, 09:46 AM
Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.



http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 09:47 AM
Apparently Rights to protest peacefully only apply in white neighborhoods.

Actually, protest itself is no longer allowed. No matter by whom.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 09:48 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/fc2c623b3e9a13670961ccdedb4504eb/tumblr_naaasbtfHS1qbhy3co4_1280.png

WOW

I guess we know why that right to bear arms is so important. It's for shooting people in the ****ing face to preserve the good ol system.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 09:51 AM
What's sad, as i sit here waiting on Obama to make his statement on ABCNews, I know deep down not a goddamn thing is going to be fixed.

What a shame that those in Gaza are trying to teach us through social media how to make homemade gas masks and what to do when hit with tear gas.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/4c558766cb176d6d0c9e0371b8a3be54/tumblr_nab1byUf2X1r83d7lo2_1280.png

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:04 AM
2 Thoughts:

1) Obama's mouth moved an awful lot but he didn't say a goddamn thing. I'm disgusted.

2) Who gives a **** about the safety of that murderer (aka police officer who ****ing shot an unarmed person 10 times even when he had his hands in the air).

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 10:17 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/6ad5274ee417447eced36766fd0736b9/tumblr_na9cvthl8D1sl9rtjo2_500.jpg

Why the **** aren't they being tear gassed and shot at?

You know what this looks like? 50 years ago.

This is freaking ridiculous. Are they rioting? No. They are just dumbasses in hoods. Last I heard, dumbasses are allowed to peacefully assemble. On the other hand, dumbasses are not allowed to assemble then burn down a gas station and loot a tire store and Verizon.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:18 AM
This is a very sad situation with a bunch of badly circulated information to the point you don't know what the truth is. I hope people calm down and back away before things really really get out of hand.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:19 AM
This is freaking ridiculous. Are they rioting? No. They are just dumbasses in hoods. Last I heard, dumbasses are allowed to peacefully assemble. On the other hand, dumbasses are not allowed to assemble then burn down a gas station and loot a tire store and Verizon.

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Are they rioting?

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:20 AM
This is freaking ridiculous. Are they rioting? No. They are just dumbasses in hoods. Last I heard, dumbasses are allowed to peacefully assemble. On the other hand, dumbasses are not allowed to assemble then burn down a gas station and loot a tire store and Verizon.

According to some poeple that post over at CP that live in the area, the protestors (and there are two groups of protestors; one group with the family and another group looting and such) are shooting at the police. If true that's only going to make things worse. But I don't know if anyof that is true.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 10:21 AM
The citizens they are "defending" are the ones they are shooting in the face. You might need to read up on what's happening. The only reason I feel so compelled to spread the word is so someone like you doesn't have the wool pulled over their eyes.


These people were PEACEFULLY protesting when the police showed up in military gear. Why do you need tanks and snipers for a peaceful gathering? The media isn't allowed in and it has now been declared a no-fly zone for the "safety" of the police and citizens. LMFAO. It's so the truth doesn't get out.

They (police) shot someone in the head and blamed it on a drive-by. Good thing she lived and is telling her story.

So you're one of those people where the police are always wrong. So when you see an extraordinarily un-credible witness and a bunch of people that still choose to protect your way of life, regardless of your opinion of them, you side with the "witness."

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:24 AM
This is freaking ridiculous. Are they rioting? No. They are just dumbasses in hoods. Last I heard, dumbasses are allowed to peacefully assemble. On the other hand, dumbasses are not allowed to assemble then burn down a gas station and loot a tire store and Verizon.

You know what's ****ing retarded about your post? You actually believe the police are justified in denying basic 1st amendment rights because "a tire store was looted and a gas station was burned down."

You neglect to educate yourself. This was PROVOKED by police. They have blocked people out of town and blocked them from leaving. These people are being assaulted in their homes but yeah, they're dumbasses.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:28 AM
Curfew is 5:30 pm. Anyone on the streets after that time is subject to arrest. In essense..marhall law has been declared.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:29 AM
So you're one of those people where the police are always wrong. So when you see an extraordinarily un-credible witness and a bunch of people that still choose to protect your way of life, regardless of your opinion of them, you side with the "witness."


Don't pretend to know me. Don't pretend to know my life. The version of the police you know and the one that I know is different based on my SKIN. My SKIN dude. I don't trust the police to save my life anywhere because I am Black. As you can see, it's not completely abnormal to be seen as an "animal" by these police that are supposed to serve and protect me.

Educate your****ingself please.

"Un-credible witness." It's on ****ing camera dude. I posted one video but there are 100s as well as pictures. But please by all means continue to be ignorant of what happened.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:30 AM
Even the STATE SENATOR was tear gassed while being a part of the peaceful protest.

I suppose she is "un-credible" too.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 10:33 AM
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Are they rioting?

Fact: A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic is illegal without a permit. This is even acknowledged by the ACLU.

None of these people have had permits, it is in the middle of the night, there has been rioting/looting, for the few nights after the shooting some more attacks were occurring against themselves and the police and more government/private property.

They were asked to disperse.

They did not disperse.

The police fired tear gas. Case closed.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 10:36 AM
The citizens they are "defending" are the ones they are shooting in the face. You might need to read up on what's happening. The only reason I feel so compelled to spread the word is so someone like you doesn't have the wool pulled over their eyes.


These people were PEACEFULLY protesting when the police showed up in military gear. Why do you need tanks and snipers for a peaceful gathering? The media isn't allowed in and it has now been declared a no-fly zone for the "safety" of the police and citizens. LMFAO. It's so the truth doesn't get out.

They (police) shot someone in the head and blamed it on a drive-by. Good thing she lived and is telling her story.

While there may be peaceful protests occuring, there are also groups actively shooting at police, throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at police. The police have asked that people return to their homes at night and that's not happening.

This redditor talks about the difference between what the local media and national media are "reporting":

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2dhdre/weapons_of_war_have_no_place_on_our_streets/cjpr98a

Arkie
08-14-2014, 10:36 AM
Okay. A police officer in Ferguson, MO shot to death an 18 year old, recently graduated from high school, black kid. None of the details of this event have been made public, so I won't comment on that. The community, understandably, is highly upset and is protesting this action. Yesterday, it was reported that the police are abusing journalists and not allowing them to cover the protests. Today, two journalists were arrested, one from the Huff Post and the other from the Washington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html

This is what the police look like:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1964357/thumbs/r-FERGUSON-SWAT-huge.jpg

Really?

I hate to break it to you, but that's not policing. That's a military unit.

I'm beginning to think it protest is now illegal in the U.S.

Looks like Iraq. This is the standing army we were told not to tolerate.

Arkie
08-14-2014, 10:37 AM
What's sad, as i sit here waiting on Obama to make his statement on ABCNews, I know deep down not a goddamn thing is going to be fixed.

What a shame that those in Gaza are trying to teach us through social media how to make homemade gas masks and what to do when hit with tear gas.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/4c558766cb176d6d0c9e0371b8a3be54/tumblr_nab1byUf2X1r83d7lo2_1280.png

Surreal. People in Gaza giving people in Missouri advice.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:39 AM
Fact: A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic is illegal without a permit. This is even acknowledged by the ACLU.

None of these people have had permits, it is in the middle of the night, there has been rioting/looting, for the few nights after the shooting some more attacks were occurring against themselves and the police and more government/private property.

They were asked to disperse.

They did not disperse.

The police fired tear gas. Case closed.

You are so sad lol.

I bet you think none of this has anything to do with race also.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:40 AM
While there may be peaceful protests occuring, there are also groups actively shooting at police, throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at police. The police have asked that people return to their homes at night and that's not happening.

This redditor talks about the difference between what the local media and national media are "reporting":

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2dhdre/weapons_of_war_have_no_place_on_our_streets/cjpr98a

What are you supposed to do when the police tells you to go home, and when you do, your house is being tear gassed?

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 10:41 AM
Take the chip off your shoulder. Even if race was involved it does not give people the right to riot, loot, attack the police or to put out statements to attack white neighborhoods.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:42 AM
But hey, let's shoot an unarmed black kid ten times, leave his body in the street for 4+ hours to decompose, AND place the officer on paid leave with his identity protected for his "safety."

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:44 AM
Take the chip off your shoulder. Even if race was involved it does not give people the right to riot, loot, attack the police or to put out statements to attack white neighborhoods.

I have no "chip."

"Even if race was involved..."

LOL

Being Black does not give the police the right to kill, maim, and assault us.


First the kid was accused of stealing from a store. The store confirmed he stole nothing. Then it has been said that he tried to wrestle the gun away from an officer. Not sure how that happened when he was shot in the BACK running away.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 10:45 AM
Like i said, if race was a motivating factor you can bet the policeman in question would go through due process now that the FBI are also investigating. If he was ID'd he and his entire family would be at risk seeing as to how some are responding to this event.

Never did I say that "being black gives the right" for the police (or anyone) "to kill, maim", etc.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 10:45 AM
The only thing I see this having to do with race is that is predominantly African Americans that are protesting...a fact that is not surprising considering that county is 2/3rds African American. No one knows if profiling occurred in the shooting. Until the police open up all their files, any website that claims otherwise is full of it.

But you're right...I guess it's sad that I don't blame all of our countries problems on the PIGS, MAN! 99 percent of whom want to get safely back to their families at night.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:51 AM
But hey, let's shoot an unarmed black kid ten times, leave his body in the street for 4+ hours to decompose, AND place the officer on paid leave with his identity protected for his "safety."

No one knows any of that information to be fact at this time. You're getting yourself stressed over it and you don't know the facts yet. Even if what you say is true, that doesn't give other people the right to loot, shoot, and throw rocks at other people. Good thing that the Brown family understands that.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:52 AM
The only thing I see this having to do with race is that is predominantly African Americans that are protesting...a fact that is not surprising considering that county is 2/3rds African American. No one knows if profiling occurred in the shooting. Until the police open up all their files, any website that claims otherwise is full of it.

But you're right...I guess it's sad that I don't blame all of our countries problems on the PIGS, MAN! 99 percent of whom want to get safely back to their families at night.

Exactly. Stay in your lane as you have no idea what the hell you are talking about nor did you address anything I said except to kiss the police's ass.

You also confirmed that you don't know **** about WHY all of this started in the first place. "No one knows if profiling occurred in the shooting."

Is that right?

No one is blaming all of the countries problems on the police.

The problems are the fault of people like you that refuse to believe that people are actually being killed for their skin color. Convinced we live in some pseudo post racial era. "They're just doing their job." That's what you sound like.

Get real dude.

Because no matter what you say, you cannot justify that officer shooting a ****ing unarmed teenager 10 times.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:55 AM
I have no "chip."

"Even if race was involved..."

LOL

Being Black does not give the police the right to kill, maim, and assault us.


First the kid was accused of stealing from a store. The store confirmed he stole nothing. Then it has been said that he tried to wrestle the gun away from an officer. Not sure how that happened when he was shot in the BACK running away.

That's what I am saying...we have no idea what has happened. After the Zimmerman case, I no longer trust any news media in this country and certainly do not trust social media

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:56 AM
No one knows any of that information to be fact at this time. You're getting yourself stressed over it and you don't know the facts yet. Even if what you say is true, that doesn't give other people the right to loot, shoot, and throw rocks at other people. Good thing that the Brown family understands that.

So in a post where you say no one knows any of the information to be fact at this time, you're saying people are shooting? Throwing rocks?

I'm not saying they should be looting or doing any of that. What is disheartening is the fact that people are quick to point that out as if it somehow justifies what is happening.

Wrong is wrong but, while we are doling out justice, the police should be held accountable for their actions every bit as much as the people who have been looting, throwing rocks, and shooting (allegedly).

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 10:56 AM
You are so sad lol.

I bet you think none of this has anything to do with race also.

Of course it's all about race.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 10:58 AM
So in a post where you say no one knows any of the information to be fact at this time, you're saying people are shooting? Throwing rocks?

I'm not saying they should be looting or doing any of that. What is disheartening is the fact that people are quick to point that out as if it somehow justifies what is happening.

Wrong is wrong but, while we are doling out justice, the police should be held accountable for their actions every bit as much as the people who have been looting, throwing rocks, and shooting (allegedly).

I was refering to the facts around the shooting of Mike Brown. I've seen video of people looting, shooting, and throwing rocks. Looting, shooting, and throwing rocks give authorities the right to put down the riot. So that means using tear gas and rubber bullets and bean bags.

I also agree that if the police officer acted unlawfully that he needs to face the consequences of that. We don't know that he did in detail, but it sure as heck seems like the officer did not do what he was supposed to do.

The good thing is the media attention will make sure that happens.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 10:59 AM
That's what I am saying...we have no idea what has happened. After the Zimmerman case, I no longer trust any news media in this country and certainly do not trust social media

But that's just it, man. There is only social media from the people right there showing what's happening because the police have been throwing the journalist in jail. They have told all NEWS channels to keep their satellite vans out. The no-fly-zone is not there for safety. It is so the media cannot get in.


I'm sure there is more to the story but the same police department that has claimed to be completely transparent is hiding something.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 11:02 AM
But that's just it, man. There is only social media from the people right there showing what's happening because the police have been throwing the journalist in jail. They have told all NEWS channels to keep their satellite vans out. The no-fly-zone is not there for safety. It is so the media cannot get in.


I'm sure there is more to the story but the same police department that has claimed to be completely transparent is hiding something.

No journalists have been thrown in jail. That I do know. A few journalists were trying to operate on private property. They we detained and given a warning.

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 11:03 AM
I was refering to the facts around the shooting of Mike Brown. I've seen video of people looting, shooting, and throwing rocks. Looting, shooting, and throwing rocks give authorities the right to put down the riot. So that means using tear gas and rubber bullets and bean bags.

I also agree that if the police officer acted unlawfully that he needs to face the consequences of that. We don't know that he did, but it sure as heck seems like the officer did not do what he was supposed to do.

The good thing is the media attention will make sure that happens.

And I've seen video of police shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at the media for doing nothing except try and report what's going on.

Smiling Assassin27
08-14-2014, 11:04 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The amount of fake nonsense bubbling up in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson</a> is making Reddit's Find The Boston Bomber look like peer-reviewed academic journal.</p>&mdash; Ryan Broderick (@ryanpbroderick) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanpbroderick/statuses/499976726404141057">August 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:04 AM
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Not blocking traffic.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 11:04 AM
And I've seen video of police shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at the media for doing nothing except try and report what's going on.

I would like to see that. Do you have a link to the video?

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 11:08 AM
http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/14/14042891/

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:09 AM
https://31.media.tumblr.com/9fc42b2bab04de9975a13ca7b94dbbe0/tumblr_naa4ptlRKM1ruroruo8_1280.jpg

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 11:11 AM
I just checked it out. It appears like you said. Someone shot some tear gas at them and they rolled. Then cops say that they need to leave because they don't want them to get hurt. Crazy

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:12 AM
https://33.media.tumblr.com/660b2153d0ec98dc8edd553b4bf56235/tumblr_naa7zdF3QG1r2054xo1_500.jpg

Why are his hands up? Mocking?

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 11:13 AM
Exactly. Stay in your lane as you have no idea what the hell you are talking about nor did you address anything I said except to kiss the police's ass.

You also confirmed that you don't know **** about WHY all of this started in the first place. "No one knows if profiling occurred in the shooting."

Is that right?

No one is blaming all of the countries problems on the police.

The problems are the fault of people like you that refuse to believe that people are actually being killed for their skin color. Convinced we live in some faux post racial era. "They're just doing their job." That's what you sound like.

Get real dude.

Because no matter what you say, you cannot justify that officer shooting a ****ing unarmed teenager 10 times.

You didn't address the fact that the police responded appropriately to an illegal gathering of people who were given proper and due notice to disband.

No where did I say the police are always right. I think they are mostly right. Which seems to be where we differ because you seem to think they are mostly wrong.

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 11:14 AM
I just checked it out. It appears like you said. Someone shot some tear gas at them and they rolled. They cops say that they need to leave because they don't want them to get hurt. Crazy

Bogus excuse by the police, police concern for their safety doesn't trump their constitutional right to be there.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:16 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

During this time, we asked the officers for badge numbers. We asked to speak to a supervising officer. We asked why we were being detained. We were told: trespassing in a McDonald’s.

“I hope you’re happy with yourself,” one officer told me. And I responded: “This story’s going to get out there. It’s going to be on the front page of The Washington Post tomorrow.”

And he said, “Yeah, well, you’re going to be in my jail cell tonight.”

Once at the station, we were processed, our pockets emptied. No mug shots. They removed our restraints and put us in a holding cell. Ryan was able to get ahold of his dad. I called my mom, but I couldn’t get through. I couldn’t remember any phone numbers.

We were in there for what felt like 10 or 15 minutes. Then the processing officer came in.

“Who’s media?” he asked.

We said we were. And the officer said we were both free to go. We asked to speak to a commanding officer. We asked to see an arrest report. No report, the officer told us, and no, they wouldn’t provide any names.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 11:16 AM
You didn't address the fact that the police responded appropriately to an illegal gathering of people who were given proper and due notice to disband.

No where did I say the police are always right. I think they are mostly right. Which seems to be where we differ because you seem to think they are mostly wrong.

Either way...in a situation like this you have to just stay at home. I only say that becaues I lived through this riot

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/painful-legacy-1989s-greekfest-endures

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:17 AM
You didn't address the fact that the police responded appropriately to an illegal gathering of people who were given proper and due notice to disband.

No where did I say the police are always right. I think they are mostly right. Which seems to be where we differ because you seem to think they are mostly wrong.

Yeah, I think it's ****ing wrong to shoot innocent people.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2014, 11:18 AM
Bogus excuse by the police, police concern for their safety doesn't trump their constitutional right to be there.

They were set up on private property. So unless they had consent from the property owner...that didn't have a constitutional right to be there.

Arkie
08-14-2014, 11:23 AM
They were setup on a public sidewalk.

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 11:25 AM
Obama calling for journalists to be allowed to do their jobs is a joke right? No administration in history has went after reporters trying to uncover govt corruption.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:27 AM
They were setup on a public sidewalk.

It's kind of disturbing what lengths people will go to justify what the police are doing, eh? Even it's clearly wrong.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 11:34 AM
Yeah, I think it's ****ing wrong to shoot innocent people.

You are aware, in general, most of the people that police shoot are not innocent otherwise they wouldn't be police for very long.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 11:35 AM
An interesting but trivial thought, I can't help but notice how much these police are acting like MP's. I wonder how many of them have that military background.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:36 AM
You are aware, in general, most of the people that police shoot are not innocent otherwise they wouldn't be police for very long.

What does that have to do with what they did? They shot someone innocent.

You've yet to admit what happened was wrong.

If they are trained not to shoot "innocent people" then why are they doing it?

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Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 11:38 AM
Either way...in a situation like this you have to just stay at home. I only say that becaues I lived through this riot

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/painful-legacy-1989s-greekfest-endures

I perfectly agree. I've been tear gassed three times in college and I fully admit that I was to blame each time since I put myself in that position to begin with.

Johnykbr
08-14-2014, 11:51 AM
What does that have to do with what they did? They shot someone innocent.

You've yet to admit what happened was wrong.

If they are trained not to shoot "innocent people" then why are they doing it?

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Seriously? We have no clue if he was innocent. All the eyewitnesses and police agree there was a struggle. Some of the witnesses say there looked like Michael was going for the weapon. All agree that there was a discharge of a weapon which allowed him to run. Regardless, someone died so there needs to be a thorough investigation like what is done in all shootings. So I'm sure the car footage will soon be reviewed (which would show if the police chased him).

With that said, it still doesn't excuse the rioting and looting which was one of the original points of this thread.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:56 AM
Seriously? We have no clue if he was innocent. All the eyewitnesses and police agree there was a struggle. Some of the witnesses say there looked like Michael was going for the weapon. All agree that there was a discharge of a weapon which allowed him to run. Regardless, someone died so there needs to be a thorough investigation like what is done in all shootings. So I'm sure the car footage will soon be reviewed (which would show if the police chased him).

With that said, it still doesn't excuse the rioting and looting which was one of the original points of this thread.

Unarmed. Gunned down.

You are so hung up on the innocence of someone that shouldn't have been shot in the first place. You are right about one thing, the truth will be revealed.

Eric Garner was put in a chokehold (that police are not trained to use, said by Police Commissioner NYPD ) and killed. Does it matter that he was not proven to be "innocent" there too?

swaiy
08-14-2014, 11:58 AM
With that said, it still doesn't excuse the rioting and looting which was one of the original points of this thread.

Also, I think you should re-read the OP in this thread.

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 12:16 PM
Fact: A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic is illegal without a permit. This is even acknowledged by the ACLU.

None of these people have had permits, it is in the middle of the night, there has been rioting/looting, for the few nights after the shooting some more attacks were occurring against themselves and the police and more government/private property.

They were asked to disperse.

They did not disperse.

The police fired tear gas. Case closed.

That's the question, isn't it: Who escalated?

Read the article I posted in #31. There are comments there by ex-police officers, like the ex-Chief of Police of Seattle talking about the failure of "militarized" tactics. The point of this thread is that "community policing" has been replaced by militarized tactics. Military style SWAT teams serve warrants and bust into houses for minor drug offenses. Are our communities now becoming occupied territory by military police who consider us all "them," the enemy? Like the writer states in the article, even the language of recruitment has changed in some places. It's not "Join the police force and do good things for your community." It's "Learn how to fire military style weapons and arm yourself to the teeth in preparation for battle."

Is what is happening in Ferguson because the population is out of control, or because the police, through their methods and tactics, have completely fallen out of touch with the community they're supposed to be serving? Why did Michael Brown get shot in the first place?

peacepipe
08-14-2014, 12:17 PM
Seriously? We have no clue if he was innocent. All the eyewitnesses and police agree there was a struggle. Some of the witnesses say there looked like Michael was going for the weapon. All agree that there was a discharge of a weapon which allowed him to run. Regardless, someone died so there needs to be a thorough investigation like what is done in all shootings. So I'm sure the car footage will soon be reviewed (which would show if the police chased him).

With that said, it still doesn't excuse the rioting and looting which was one of the original points of this thread.

What witnesses are saying that? Everything that I've seen has stated he had his hands up.

swaiy
08-14-2014, 12:22 PM
What witnesses are saying that? Everything that I've seen has stated he had his hands up.

The only "witnesses" that are saying that are the police. Every other witness' statement matches.

How is it that the people in the community have interviewed the victim's friend who was running with him but the police have yet to do anything?

swaiy
08-14-2014, 12:26 PM
https://31.media.tumblr.com/2e30299775faecb574e531706c408c76/tumblr_nab4llaf7I1rmn9yfo1_1280.jpg

https://31.media.tumblr.com/a53ff18ad87b327159bb963a5af5b18b/tumblr_nab4llaf7I1rmn9yfo2_1280.jpg

lol

swaiy
08-14-2014, 12:31 PM
http://raniakhalek.com/2013/12/05/unarmed-man-shot-at-by-nypd-has-been-charged-with-assault-because-bullets-hit-bystanders/

Glenn Broadnax, a 35-year-old black man from Brooklyn, was unarmed on the night of September 14 when NYPD officers shot at him in the middle of Times Square, striking two bystanders.



Instead of apologizing, the New York Times reports that the city has charged Broadnax “with assault, on the theory that he was responsible for bullet wounds suffered by two bystanders.”

Broadnax was emotionally disturbed and dodging cars in the middle of the street when officers say he reached into his pocket to grab what they believed was a weapon, prompting them to open fire. His lawyers says he was reaching for his wallet.

But hey, protect and serve.

Not saying that all cops are evil and bad but, where all the good ones? They are standing up against their brothers. Blue Gang.

ludo21
08-14-2014, 12:41 PM
I just saw on Reddit that the Black Panthers are threatening to move in.... wtf?

I need the journalists to be allowed to give me some real reports.

cnn.com

"One officer was hit with a brick and broke his ankle, and another officer was injured as well, Jackson said."

another bit...

The militarizing of U.S. police

Police wearing riot gear try to disperse a crowd Monday, August 11.To some, the events in Ferguson highlight a growing danger.

"Police militarization has been among the most consequential and unnoticed developments of our time," The Huffington Post's Washington Bureau Chief Ryan Grim said in a statement decrying the arrest of one of the site's reporters.

Just weeks ago, the American Civil Liberties Union issued an extensive report on the issue. "American policing has become unnecessarily and dangerously militarized, in large part through federal programs that have armed state and local law enforcement agencies with the weapons and tactics of war, with almost no public discussion or oversight," the report said.

American policing has become unnecessarily and dangerously militarized.

American Civil Liberties UnionThe weapons are meant to help in the "failed War on Drugs," the report said. "Instead, the use of hyper-aggressive tools and tactics results in tragedy for civilians and police officers, escalates the risk of needless violence, destroys property, and undermines individual liberties."

"Militarization of policing encourages officers to adopt a 'warrior' mentality and think of the people they are supposed to serve as enemies," the report added.

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 01:32 PM
Governor of Missouri removes Ferguson County police and replaces them with state highway patrol. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/jay-nixon-ferguson-security_n_5679774.html

ludo21
08-14-2014, 02:01 PM
DPS to the resue? odd

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 03:43 PM
Usually state cops walk a tighter rope, due to more policies and more stringent management. This statement is not a blanket, but from what Ive seen this is the case.

What I have also seen are local PD's that are more about the community and community involvement. I know a couple of cops around here because they patrol on bike and make an effort to reach out to the community to emphasize that theyre the good guys. Once again, apparently, this is not the same everywhere (unfortunately).

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 03:55 PM
You are aware, in general, most of the people that police shoot are not innocent otherwise they wouldn't be police for very long.


****ing bull****. aside from a few "honest cops" the ranks of the police forces and sherrifs depts. are littered with loose cannons. crooked as hell and covering up the illegal **** their coworkers are doing.
To serve and protect is a frigging joke.

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 04:20 PM
"Before another small town's police force gets a $700,000 gift from the Defense Department that it can't maintain or manage, it behooves us to rein in the Pentagon's 1033 program and revisit the merits of a militarized America," reads his letter to colleagues. "I hope we can work together on this important issue."

The Georgia Democrat isn't the only lawmaker who wants to scale back local police forces' access to military weapons. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said Thursday that it's "time to demilitarize this situation" in Ferguson, and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wrote a Thursday op-ed titled, "We Must Demilitarize The Police."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/police-militarization-bill_n_5679707.html

Hopefully, this becomes reality, instead of more political gas.

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 05:06 PM
Just look at the creeps in uniform here in Denver. Their antics just cost the taxpayers over$3million in settlement fees.......what always bugs the **** out of me is that they get "placed on paid leave" while the rest of the upper mgt. tries to cover their heinous crimes

elsid13
08-14-2014, 05:56 PM
This situation is out of control and there is no political leadership in place to stop it.

W*GS
08-14-2014, 06:01 PM
As I've noted before, if we get a tyrannical regime, it will have the full support of the far-right and instead of being rebels against it, the RKBA purists will be on the side of the State.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 06:12 PM
The new police chief in charge is doing the right thing and walking WITH the protesters. they are now chanting "they respect us, let's respect them." Many reports on how the change from just a couple nights ago is "stunning."

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 06:15 PM
The new police chief in charge is doing the right thing and walking WITH the protesters. they are now chanting "they respect us, let's respect them." Many reports on how the change from just a couple nights ago is "stunning."

Sounds like "community" policing is the better tactic.

I may be a utopian, but I think of police serving a function in society where people turn to them when there's trouble.

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 06:48 PM
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Are they rioting?

That is ****ing horrible.... This police force needs to be done away with; starting with the chief of police.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 06:49 PM
Oh, absolutely. Local police should definitely be a part of the community, both in times of need and when not. Sad that some deoartments apparently have moved away from this. People love the locals where I live, I wouldnt have it any other way.

El Guapo
08-14-2014, 06:50 PM
That is ****ing horrible.... This police force needs to be done away with; starting with the chief of police.

The Governor did that about 5 hrs ago. :welcome:

baja
08-14-2014, 07:00 PM
Okay. A police officer in Ferguson, MO shot to death an 18 year old, recently graduated from high school, black kid. None of the details of this event have been made public, so I won't comment on that. The community, understandably, is highly upset and is protesting this action. Yesterday, it was reported that the police are abusing journalists and not allowing them to cover the protests. Today, two journalists were arrested, one from the Huff Post and the other from the Washington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html

This is what the police look like:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1964357/thumbs/r-FERGUSON-SWAT-huge.jpg

Really?

I hate to break it to you, but that's not policing. That's a military unit.

I'm beginning to think it protest is now illegal in the U.S.

I told you this shiit was coming years ago and you can bet it will go down hill from here and a dizzying pace. FEMA camps are being readied for "domestic terrorists" as you read this. You are a frog in a pot of water being slowly brought to a boil, you are noticing it's getting warm.

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 07:09 PM
I told you this shiit was coming years ago and you can bet it will go down hill from here and a dizzying pace. FEMA camps are being readied for "domestic terrorists" as you read this. You are a frog in a pot of water being slowly brought to a boil, you are noticing it's getting warm.


That's ok, I know plenty of folks who are armed to the gills just waiting for the **** to hit the fan. They'd rather die fighting than give up certain rights.
Same here. I stood up to the bastards years ago and may have not initially won the fight but did win the battle. Lost all trspect for them from that point forward. Don't need them, don't want them, see them as useless as tits on a boarhog. Bring back the Wild Wild West IMHO and **** the sherrif (wasted dollars)

Rohirrim
08-14-2014, 07:12 PM
I told you this shiit was coming years ago and you can bet it will go down hill from here and a dizzying pace. FEMA camps are being readied for "domestic terrorists" as you read this. You are a frog in a pot of water being slowly brought to a boil, you are noticing it's getting warm.

Actually, a bunch of Congressional representatives are introducing a bill to end the militarization of police forces, specifically to stop the DOD from handing over military equipment to domestic police. We'll see where that goes. I would be shocked to see our government actually respond effectively and correct a mistake. Who knows? I guess anything's possible.

ant1999e
08-14-2014, 07:38 PM
Actually, a bunch of Congressional representatives are introducing a bill to end the militarization .

Who?

ant1999e
08-14-2014, 07:42 PM
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

baja
08-14-2014, 07:43 PM
That's ok, I know plenty of folks who are armed to the gills just waiting for the **** to hit the fan. They'd rather die fighting than give up certain rights.
Same here. I stood up to the bastards years ago and may have not initially won the fight but did win the battle. Lost all trspect for them from that point forward. Don't need them, don't want them, see them as useless as boobies on a boarhog. Bring back the Wild Wild West IMHO and **** the sherrif (wasted dollars)


I'm hoping many of the police and military will stand down but who knows. What the ones that are taking over America and the world are wanting is a rebellion and they will push until they get one. Keep in mind the controllers of federal government have purchased over 2.3 billion rounds of bullets. Research about this. These are extremely heavy times.

baja
08-14-2014, 07:44 PM
Actually, a bunch of Congressional representatives are introducing a bill to end the militarization of police forces, specifically to stop the DOD from handing over military equipment to domestic police. We'll see where that goes. I would be shocked to see our government actually respond effectively and correct a mistake. Who knows? I guess anything's possible.

That's a relief.

Pony Boy
08-14-2014, 07:44 PM
This situation is out of control and there is no political leadership in place to stop it.

Have no fear Al is here ....................

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 07:56 PM
I'm hoping many of the police and military will stand down but who knows. What the ones that are taking over America and the world are wanting is a rebellion and they will push until they get one. Keep in mind the controllers of federal government have purchased over 2.3 billion rounds of bullets. Research about this. These are extremely heavy times.


That's allright, sometimes lives have to be lost to defend what we believe in, and considering the gang mentality of most police forces the losses will be in favor of a well placed bullet in lieu of what most of these "fat ****s" are capable of presenting and the oath of the military (...enemies, foreign or domestic...)wont go very far is it were to get to the point of civil WAR.

baja
08-14-2014, 08:10 PM
That's allright, sometimes lives have to be lost to defend what we believe in, and considering the gang mentality of most police forces the losses will be in favor of a well placed bullet in lieu of what most of these "fat ****s" are capable of presenting and the oath of the military (...enemies, foreign or domestic...)wont go very far is it were to get to the point of civil WAR.


That is exactly what they want and expect. Epic times are upon us.

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 08:14 PM
That is exactly what they want and expect. Epic times are upon us.


Sometimes you get what you want and then wonder "what the **** was I thinking".

baja
08-14-2014, 08:27 PM
Sometimes you get what you want and then wonder "what the **** was I thinking".

Ain't that the truth. I do think the American people will ultimately "win" but it will be a hellish horror for a good piece of time.

The "war" will be won with a shift in consciousness

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 08:29 PM
You are aware, in general, most of the people that police shoot are not innocent otherwise they wouldn't be police for very long.

You are aware that the question of whether a police shooting is justified or not is usually settled by...the police?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 08:35 PM
Governor of Missouri removes Ferguson County police and replaces them with state highway patrol. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/jay-nixon-ferguson-security_n_5679774.html

Huh?

That governor must be some kind of commie librul!

According to the Orange Mane's right-wing brain trust, those cops were fully justified in every move they made.

TailgateNut
08-14-2014, 08:36 PM
You are aware, in general, most of the people that police shoot are not innocent otherwise they wouldn't be police for very long.

You are aware that police get away with MURDER more often than not, and get PAID administrative leave to boot.
Frigging bootlicker

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 09:18 PM
You are aware that the question of whether a police shooting is justified or not is usually settled by...the police?

No it's not it's decided by the District Atty whether or not a crime should be prosecuted. The police only investigate and turn over the findings. Man you are in rare form. First you think we export domestic oil now this.

BroncoBeavis
08-14-2014, 09:39 PM
Huh?

That governor must be some kind of commie librul!

According to the Orange Mane's right-wing brain trust, those cops were fully justified in every move they made.

Pour Labron. Trying to project those second-amendment-replacing gummint agents off on his opponents who only want more limits placed on government authority.

Embrace the fruits of your own ideology.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 10:00 PM
Pour Labron. Trying to project those second-amendment-replacing gummint agents off on his opponents who only want more limits placed on government authority.

Embrace the fruits of your own ideology.

Can you give us a redneck-to-English translation, Cletus?

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 10:14 PM
LOL civil war. Are you people serious? I wondered who watched those bigfoot shows.

cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 10:17 PM
We have had riots that make this one look pretty tame. How can this be some sort of sign we are headed to a civil was. Are police heavy handed and out of control? Hell yes they are but it's not just black people. It's DUI stops with no probably cause, illegal searches you should be worried about. It's easy to avoid what happened to this kid, don't struggle and fight with the police.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 10:23 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1394274_10151904815923189_1463338480_n.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-14-2014, 10:24 PM
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cutthemdown
08-14-2014, 10:26 PM
We probably could use cameras on every cop or person that is paid to carry a gun. That would put an end to a lot of the grey murky areas we try and deal with to decide if a cop was justified.

Many are just mad men who seem to thirst for some sort of respect they feel they don't get in real life? I don't ever talk back to cops unless its a DUI checkpoint. Those things piss me off and I don't even drink anymore.

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:05 PM
I told you this shiit was coming years ago and you can bet it will go down hill from here and a dizzying pace. FEMA camps are being readied for "domestic terrorists" as you read this. You are a frog in a pot of water being slowly brought to a boil, you are noticing it's getting warm.

That is funny it is all dark people this country is worried about just as the racist militias have been gearing up into overdrive.

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:07 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10451794_10152599730597908_2067179333017852044_n.p ng

Bernie is awesome!!

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:08 PM
http://www.cynicaltimes.org/images/articles/pepper%209.jpg

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:09 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LLWPc5LyOMw/Uwdqm5COt8I/AAAAAAAAKwo/Tbyp2P0af5M/s1600/to-protect-and-serve-ows-riot-police-meme.jpg

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:10 PM
http://www.cynicaltimes.org/images/articles/pepper%2021.jpg

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:11 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YAEqzDSLwgg/Uk-QpOSw4uI/AAAAAAAAAn0/ttlMfK3txzA/s1600/11975_n.jpg

Guess Who
08-14-2014, 11:14 PM
http://westdenvercopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/pigterrormarch1.jpg

El Guapo
08-15-2014, 03:55 AM
Guys, don't throw a blanket on this subject. Not ALL police/police departments are bad.

I agree with the necessity of cameras on cops, and a couple of cops that I know actually welcome it because it protects them too. The only concern is the same concern each and every one of us would share: Could you imagine being recorded continuously throughout your working day? I'm sure you never play solitaire, read/post on message boards, shoot the **** w coworkers, make personal calls, etc. while at work. Right?

For a cop, that's most likely a 12 hour shift where personal interactions are bound to happen. I saw a high ranking police official talking yesterday on the local news about how it would be difficult to turn off/on a camera during official encounters as it is another step the cop must do and it interferes with his/her personal safety. I think if we could figure something out to bridge this gap good cops will embrace this technology with open arms.

Guess Who
08-15-2014, 04:00 AM
:-*

TailgateNut
08-15-2014, 04:43 AM
Guys, don't throw a blanket on this subject. Not ALL police/police departments are bad.

I agree with the necessity of cameras on cops, and a couple of cops that I know actually welcome it because it protects them too. The only concern is the same concern each and every one of us would share: Could you imagine being recorded continuously throughout your working day? I'm sure you never play solitaire, read/post on message boards, shoot the **** w coworkers, make personal calls, etc. while at work. Right?

For a cop, that's most likely a 12 hour shift where personal interactions are bound to happen. I saw a high ranking police official talking yesterday on the local news about how it would be difficult to turn off/on a camera during official encounters as it is another step the cop must do and it interferes with his/her personal safety. I think if we could figure something out to bridge this gap good cops will embrace this technology with open arms.

The taxpayers do not pay my salary and I am not accountable to them for my actions, nor have I sworn to uphold the law although I am a law abiding citizen. My issue is with those who have made that commitment yet use their position to break the law and those who, in turn, protect these crooked bastards to keep their image from being tarnished. Way to often they are cleared of charges that you and I would pay for with long prison sentences.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2014, 04:48 AM
The irony of progressives crying about an oppressive government. Let me show you it.

TailgateNut
08-15-2014, 04:54 AM
The irony of progressives crying about an oppressive government. Let me show you it.

The irony of you attempting to link progressives to the militarization of our police forces is ridiculous.......... why should we expect you to make any sense now? You never have.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2014, 05:03 AM
The irony of you attempting to link progressives to the militarization of our police forces is ridiculous.......... why should we expect you to make any sense now? You never have.

BTW what was the impetus for your 2.5 year hiatus that started exactly after the Pittsburg playoff game? Winning that game must have seriously hurt you.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 05:11 AM
The irony of progressives crying about an oppressive government. Let me show you it.

Would that be the same "oppressive government" that was created by your heroes Chimp and Oildick under the pretense of "homeland security," by any chance?


That's what I thought.

Dr. Broncenstein
08-15-2014, 05:14 AM
http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=748141&stc=1&d=1377721442

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 05:20 AM
The irony of you attempting to link progressives to the militarization of our police forces is ridiculous.......... why should we expect you to make any sense now? You never have.

Funny - I never heard these right-wing sheep complain about the massive "security" and domestic spying apparatus their hero the court-appointed pinhead constructed during the BushCo years.

In fact, IIRC, their standard response to all objections was invariably "9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!"

I guess government is only the problem when the other party holds the WH.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 05:23 AM
****

^

An argument only a logically-challenged simpleton would attempt.

Dukes
08-15-2014, 05:29 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 06:01 AM
^

More simpleton reasoning that reflects perfectly the "all or nothing" conservative mindset.

These chimps simply cannot understand more nuanced positions, e.g. (a) cops should not necessarily be trusted implicitly just because they are cops, and (b) it doesn't follow from (a) that law enforcement should be abandoned altogether.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2014, 06:04 AM
Funny - I never heard these right-wing sheep complain about the massive "security" and domestic spying apparatus their hero the court-appointed pinhead constructed during the BushCo years.

In fact, IIRC, their standard response to all objections was invariably "9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!"

I guess government is only the problem when the other party holds the WH.

Hey Labron. What ever happened to those 8 LAPD officers who pumped 100 rounds into a blue Toyota carrying two women while on the lookout for an ex-cop in a grey Nissan?

I'm going to assume you chained yourself to Police Hq 's front doors until those guys were fired.

I mean they weren't just sent back out on Libtopian street duty were they? LOL

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 06:10 AM
Hey Labron. What ever happened to those 8 LAPD officers who pumped 100 rounds into a blue Toyota carrying two women while on the lookout for an ex-cop in a grey Nissan?

I'm going to assume you chained yourself to Police Hq 's front doors until those guys were fired.

I mean they weren't just sent back out on Libtopian street duty were they? LOL

Hey Cletus:

You should do a Google search for "Rodney King" sometime when you're not busy watching wrestling or something.

You might learn something about the "Libtopian" history of the LAPD.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2014, 06:12 AM
Hey Cletus:

You should do a Google search for "Rodney King" sometime when you're not busy watching wrestling or something.

You might learn something about the "Libtopian" history of the LAPD.

I've never seen any indication that obviously-liberal bureaucracies shy away from getting a little bit racist when it suits them.

Anyway, those 8 goons are still patrolling your own streets. How come you're pounding the desk about something in Missourah but I've never heard a peep from you about this?

Rohirrim
08-15-2014, 06:15 AM
Who?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/police-militarization-bill_n_5679707.html?1408050330

Rohirrim
08-15-2014, 06:19 AM
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She looks like Harry Potter.

Arkie
08-15-2014, 06:41 AM
Could you imagine being recorded continuously throughout your working day? I'm sure you never play solitaire, read/post on message boards, shoot the **** w coworkers, make personal calls, etc. while at work. Right?


Like banker tellers and cashiers?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 06:50 AM
I've never seen any indication that obviously-liberal bureaucracies shy away from getting a little bit racist when it suits them.

Anyway, those 8 goons are still patrolling your own streets. How come you're pounding the desk about something in Missourah but I've never heard a peep from you about this?

The better question would be "why are you defending a bunch of thugs who shot an unarmed teenager and who then arrested journalists who tried to expose them," Cletus?

I guess your only recourse in this situation is to play your usual game of "look over there."

SOP for the GOP shill.

Pony Boy
08-15-2014, 07:27 AM
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I agree they need to protect and secure all that is important for us to enjoy life.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2014, 07:28 AM
The better question would be "why are you defending a bunch of thugs who shot an unarmed teenager and who then arrested journalists who tried to expose them," Cletus?

I guess your only recourse in this situation is to play your usual game of "look over there."

SOP for the GOP shill.

I'm not defending them. Cops are on-average, no better than you and me. In some places they're worse.

Which is why I'm dead set against these goons being anointed by The State with access to arms that the citizenry itself is otherwise disallowed.

Your position has generally been that these Missouri jackholes and LAPD thugs should be armed while the people they patrol (or terrorize) should be left defenseless. While we patiently wait for the same State to hold the worst of those accountable?

Well in the real world, they aren't. 8 of them who should've been charged with attempted homicide, or at least criminal negligence were instead given probably a few months of desk duty to pack away a few dozen maple long johns before heading back out for the streets.

Smiling Assassin27
08-15-2014, 07:37 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BREAKING NEWS: Michael Brown is main suspect in strong armed robbery that took place minutes before he was shot, killed - KMOV</p>&mdash; PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) <a href="https://twitter.com/PzFeed/statuses/500289807030173696">August 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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swaiy
08-15-2014, 07:44 AM
But he was unarmed...

Jesus ****ing Christ Amerikkka is disgusting. Forever painting the Black VICTIM as the criminal after murdering him/her.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 07:44 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48ung6yJI1qc3oq1o1_r1_500.gif

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El Guapo
08-15-2014, 07:44 AM
Apparently there is video evidence of the robbery as well.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 07:48 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BREAKING NEWS: Michael Brown is main suspect in strong armed robbery that took place minutes before he was shot, killed - KMOV</p>&mdash; PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) <a href="https://twitter.com/PzFeed/statuses/500289807030173696">August 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Which has what to do with the price of tea in china.

It doesn't change anything.

El Guapo
08-15-2014, 07:54 AM
Well, it possibly changes the fact that he was just an "innocent victim" to "wanted for burglary," at the least.

Whatever is said, or has been said, is just conjecture. Once again, all of the facts need to be laid out on the table before anyone rushes to judgement.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 07:57 AM
Well, it possibly changes the fact that he was just an innocent victim to wanted for burglary, at the least.

Whatever is said, or has been said, is just conjecture. Once again, all of the facts need to be laid out on the table before anyone rushes to judgement.

Why does that matter? That's what seems to be going over most people's heads.

He was executed.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 07:57 AM
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ludo21
08-15-2014, 08:00 AM
But he was unarmed...

Jesus ****ing Christ Amerikkka is disgusting. Forever painting the Black VICTIM as the criminal after murdering him/her.

it does imply that he may not have been compliant when officers were arresting him, even aggressive..

all projection right now, but its not the "random kid walking down the street and gets shot for nothing story" anymore.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:02 AM
it does imply that he may not have been compliant when officers were arresting him, even aggressive..

all projection right now, but its not the "random kid walking down the street and gets shot for nothing story" anymore.

Does. Not. Matter.

He surrendered and was executed. Not shot, with necessary force. Excessive. Beyond excessive.

People are trying to find reasons to justify why this cop executed this kid and there is nothing.

Cops are not being trained to execute people.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:04 AM
Well, it possibly changes the fact that he was just an "innocent victim" to "wanted for burglary," at the least.

Whatever is said, or has been said, is just conjecture. Once again, all of the facts need to be laid out on the table before anyone rushes to judgement.

Regardless of his history, he was unarmed. Him being a suspect in a crime doesn't negate his right to life. If his hands were up,as every witness has stated, it's a murder committed by a cop. Doesn't matter what brown did prior. Brown could've strangled the clerk and it wouldn't have made a difference. Especially since the cop wasn't even aware of it at the time.

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 08:06 AM
Sounds like a POS thug thief got a lot more then he bargained for. LOL poor college student just minding his own business! One less criminal is all it is.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:07 AM
it does imply that he may not have been compliant when officers were arresting him, even aggressive..

all projection right now, but its not the "random kid walking down the street and gets shot for nothing story" anymore.

According to witnesses he had his hands up, just cause he wasn't a saint doesn't mean the cop was justified. Remember the cop didn't even know about the robbery at the time of the incident.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:08 AM
Sounds like a POS thug thief got a lot more then he bargained for. LOL poor college student just minding his own business! One less criminal is all it is.

You are so ****ing disgusting. At least you don't hide it.

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 08:09 AM
This explains why he treid to grab the cops gun, or struggle with the police officer. He knew he was guilty of robbery.

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 08:09 AM
You are so ****ing disgusting. At least you don't hide it.

Why because i don't fee sorry for people who steal and try to grab a cops gun?

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:10 AM
I pity you. Nothing about this **** is funny.

Your use of the code word "thug" is not even creative.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:10 AM
Why because i don't fee sorry for people who steal and try to grab a cops gun?

No, because you are a prick. An ignorant one at that.

ludo21
08-15-2014, 08:11 AM
Does. Not. Matter.

He surrendered and was executed. Not shot, with necessary force. Excessive. Beyond excessive.

People are trying to find reasons to justify why this cop executed this kid and there is nothing.

Cops are not being trained to execute people.

I have not seen an investigation yet. All I am saying is IF the kid was violent (threatening, ex: reaching for the cops gun), the police had the right to shoot him.

And yes, they are trained to shoot to kill if they are shooting their guns at all. (that is what I have read at least)

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 08:12 AM
LOL code word for what? Innocent college student? Bwaaaaa! Poor innocent college student minding his own business. Give me a break!

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:12 AM
Why because i don't fee sorry for people who steal and try to grab a cops gun?

No one saying you have to feel sorry but he wasn't shot and killed in the act of trying to take the cops gun.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:14 AM
I have not seen an investigation yet. All I am saying is IF the kid was violent (threatening), the police had the right to shoot him.

And yes, they are trained to shoot to kill if they are shooting their guns at all.

How does putting your hands up equal being violent or threatening.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:14 AM
Everything was speculation in regards to this kid being innocent but the second he is accused of allegedly stealing (from a store who denies that he did), it's evidence that's completely damning to you. You are disgusting. I know you are not ashamed, but I am ashamed for you.

I hope God, or someone really prominent in your life (if you aren't of faith) touches you in a way that changes your thinking because right now, you sound downright evil.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:16 AM
I have not seen an investigation yet. All I am saying is IF the kid was violent (threatening, ex: reaching for the cops gun), the police had the right to shoot him.

And yes, they are trained to shoot to kill if they are shooting their guns at all. (that is what I have read at least)

Shoot to kill and execute are two different things.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:18 AM
How does putting your hands up equal being violent or threatening.

Apparently being Black and an alleged thief is grounds for a cop to be judge, jury, and executioner.

And as you said, the cop wasn't aware of the "burglary" so I guess it just comes down to being Black and not deserving to live in his eyes.

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 08:22 AM
http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/03/douglas-zerby-ruling-da-clears-long-beach-police-says-they-killed-troubled-man-in-self-defense

It has nothing to do with being black. It has to do with police making bad decisions and not getting in trouble when they do. Happened in my city, happens in every city to all races.

Arkie
08-15-2014, 08:24 AM
Cops kill people everyday. It's their word vs the victims. This time there were witnesses that saw Brown with his hands in the air get shot multiple times 20 feet from the police car. That's why a huge riot broke out.

Smiling Assassin27
08-15-2014, 08:26 AM
People are assuming that those refusing to freak out here--but instead are waiting for all the facts--are saying that simply because Brown is a suspect in a robbery that he deserved to die. That's a pretty irresponsible assumption, yet not surprising. Some here are obviously taking this hard--understandably so--but don't shut off your brain when you turn up your emotion.

Cue the 'you must be a racist conservative a**' rants in 3...2...

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:30 AM
http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2011/11/03/douglas-zerby-ruling-da-clears-long-beach-police-says-they-killed-troubled-man-in-self-defense

It has nothing to do with being black. It has to do with police making bad decisions and not getting in trouble when they do. Happened in my city, happens in every city to all races.

That's the thing. It is about being Black. I'm not disputing the fact that it happens to other races.

It's virtually impossible to have a meaningful dialogue because off the top you've automatically trivialized what is happening by saying it happens to everyone and all races.

All races do not have privilege and all races are NOT profiled.

I'm going to stop there as this is turning into something else. Maybe you aren't as ****ed up as I initially thought lol (I know that's backhanded) but, you definitely could use someone to help open your eyes to a different view.

baja
08-15-2014, 08:32 AM
Sounds like a POS thug thief got a lot more then he bargained for. LOL poor college student just minding his own business! One less criminal is all it is.

Sounds like you would profile out as a perfect candidate for the 2014 police academy in most states. They are looking for natural born killers these days

swaiy
08-15-2014, 08:33 AM
People are assuming that those refusing to freak out here--but instead are waiting for all the facts--are saying that simply because Brown is a suspect in a robbery that he deserved to die. That's a pretty irresponsible assumption, yet not surprising. Some here are obviously taking this hard--understandably so--but don't shut off your brain when you turn up your emotion.

Cue the 'you must be a racist conservative a**' rants in 3...2...

Maybe those that are "refusing to freak out" are the ones assuming that the others are freaking out.

No one is saying anyone is saying he deserved to die except good ol cutthemdown who believes Mike Brown is just a "POS thief" and got what was coming.

Johnykbr
08-15-2014, 08:37 AM
Cops kill people everyday. It's their word vs the victims. This time there were witnesses that saw Brown with his hands in the air get shot multiple times 20 feet from the police car. That's why a huge riot broke out.

Disagree, a riot broke out because some people saw an opportunity for mayhem and theft.

The protests broke out because of the killing and then the police handling to prevent future riots.

Protesters are one thing, rioters are another.

Bronco Yoda
08-15-2014, 08:48 AM
It's disturbing how often the police these days shoot with deadly force. It wasn't too long ago I saw a lady with children in her mini van pulled over and decided to run and the cop gunned her down in her car. Kids getting shot down without any weapons. What ever happened to chasing them? Possibly shooting someone in the leg or something?

ludo21
08-15-2014, 08:48 AM
Inside look here:

http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/

good read, still doesnt explain if there was cause for the police to take military action, but they seemed to think there was.

In any case, I hope nothing happens to Mr. Wilson, and that cooler heads prevail and all witnesses are able to give an account.

Arkie
08-15-2014, 08:51 AM
Disagree, a riot broke out because some people saw an opportunity for mayhem and theft.

The protests broke out because of the killing and then the police handling to prevent future riots.

Protesters are one thing, rioters are another.

One thing leads to another. Some of the angry protesters turn violent. Opportunists begin to loot. My impression is something wrong must have happened to create that kind of chaos along with the police trying to cover it up. We'll see.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:58 AM
Inside look here:

http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/

good read, still doesnt explain if there was cause for the police to take military action, but they seemed to think there was.

In any case, I hope nothing happens to Mr. Wilson, and that cooler heads prevail and all witnesses are able to give an account.

Outside of being charged and tried for murder, nothing should happen to Wilson.

ant1999e
08-15-2014, 09:16 AM
But he was unarmed...

Jesus ****ing Christ Amerikkka is disgusting. Forever painting the Black as the VICTIM.

FYP

ant1999e
08-15-2014, 09:18 AM
Looks like the victim to me.

swaiy
08-15-2014, 09:24 AM
11:51. That's the time this report was made. The footage shows 11:55. So he was robbing the store after the report was made?

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 09:51 AM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-police-2009-assaulted-black-man


Amid ongoing racial tensions in Ferguson, Mo., the Daily Beast reported on a 2009 incident in which city police beat up a wrongfully arrested African-American man and then charged him for getting blood on their uniforms.

Fer

Requiem
08-15-2014, 09:53 AM
This behavior isn't surprising.

A teenage girl, 15, in Fargo was arrested by 13 cops because they thought the smelled MJ coming out of her car. She was sitting in there, plugging her phone into her car charger. Nothing was ever found.

They took her from the car, beat her, hog tied her and threw her in the back of the police vehicle. She was denied medical service and kept in jail for a decent period of time.

13 cops to get a 15 year old girl?

Sad.

Rohirrim
08-15-2014, 10:02 AM
This behavior isn't surprising.

A teenage girl, 15, in Fargo was arrested by 13 cops because they thought the smelled MJ coming out of her car. She was sitting in there, plugging her phone into her car charger. Nothing was ever found.

They took her from the car, beat her, hog tied her and threw her in the back of the police vehicle. She was denied medical service and kept in jail for a decent period of time.

13 cops to get a 15 year old girl?

Sad.

Probably not much going on in Fargo.

Dukes
08-15-2014, 10:08 AM
This behavior isn't surprising.

A teenage girl, 15, in Fargo was arrested by 13 cops because they thought the smelled MJ coming out of her car. She was sitting in there, plugging her phone into her car charger. Nothing was ever found.

They took her from the car, beat her, hog tied her and threw her in the back of the police vehicle. She was denied medical service and kept in jail for a decent period of time.

13 cops to get a 15 year old girl?

Sad.

She must have been black.

Arkie
08-15-2014, 10:13 AM
She must have been black.

Mexican

Requiem
08-15-2014, 10:18 AM
She must have been black.

She was not white. (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/13-cops-dispatched-arrest-15-year-old-girl-cop-smelled-weed/)

Dukes
08-15-2014, 10:23 AM
She was not white. (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/13-cops-dispatched-arrest-15-year-old-girl-cop-smelled-weed/)

Disgusting.

Requiem
08-15-2014, 10:28 AM
Disgusting.

Yep -- we recently had an officer who was going ~ 40 or so downtown (where there is always people and it's like ~ 20 miles an hour tops) and he didn't have his flashing lights on, blew through an intersection and destroyed a civilians vehicle. Could have seriously injured that driver had it not been passenger side and hurt other civilians who were in the area. Not sure where that stands now, but the officer felt like he didn't do anything wrong. That is their MO though.

Rohirrim
08-15-2014, 10:35 AM
Well, at least the point of the thread seems to have been proven. When the militarized police were removed, the situation in Ferguson became much calmer.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 10:46 AM
Your position has generally been that these Missouri jackholes and LAPD thugs should be armed while the people they patrol (or terrorize) should be left defenseless.

Huh?

In what parallel universe is this my position?

:crazy:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 10:55 AM
You are so ****ing disgusting. At least you don't hide it.

Cutthemdown is a racist jackal with a long, long history of defending anyone who commits any act of offense or violence against non-white folks.

That sort of thing always gives him a little chub.

Bronco Yoda
08-15-2014, 11:58 AM
Disagree, a riot broke out because some people saw an opportunity for mayhem and theft.

The protests broke out because of the killing and then the police handling to prevent future riots.

Protesters are one thing, rioters are another.


I agree with this

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 12:04 PM
I agree with this

Let's not confuse the 99.5% who protested peacefully with the .5% that looted and rioted.

Johnykbr
08-15-2014, 12:52 PM
It's disturbing how often the police these days shoot with deadly force. It wasn't too long ago I saw a lady with children in her mini van pulled over and decided to run and the cop gunned her down in her car. Kids getting shot down without any weapons. What ever happened to chasing them? Possibly shooting someone in the leg or something?

Pistols are remarkably inaccurate when it comes to hitting a moving target at more than 10 yards. This isn't TV where every cop/swat member is a shooting out a tire from two blocks away. It is morbid to say but at that distance, police just have to open fire until they hit. But, as seems to be confirmed by police and witnesses, if he gets hurt and has time to turn around and raise his arms, the "scattershot" style of shooting should have had time to stop.

Fedaykin
08-15-2014, 01:07 PM
Pistols are remarkably inaccurate when it comes to hitting a moving target at more than 10 yards. This isn't TV where every cop/swat member is a shooting out a tire from two blocks away. It is morbid to say but at that distance, police just have to open fire until they hit. But, as seems to be confirmed by police and witnesses, if he gets hurt and has time to turn around and raise his arms, the "scattershot" style of shooting should have had time to stop.

Accuracy is beside the point. There is no reason, whatsoever, to be firing at a suspect unless that suspect is threatening the life of the officer or a bystander.

It's not worth the risk for anything (i.e recover stolen property, etc.) other than to prevent the suspect from causing death or serious injury to a person.

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 01:13 PM
Accuracy is beside the point. There is no reason, whatsoever, to be firing at a suspect unless that suspect is threatening the life of the officer or a bystander.

It's not worth the risk for anything (i.e recover stolen property, etc.) other than to prevent the suspect from causing death or serious injury to a person.

Police chief in fergonson just stated in PC that Wilson was not aware of robbery at time of incident and couldn't say whether it was even micheal brown in the video.

Johnykbr
08-15-2014, 01:16 PM
Accuracy is beside the point. There is no reason, whatsoever, to be firing at a suspect unless that suspect is threatening the life of the officer or a bystander.

It's not worth the risk for anything (i.e recover stolen property, etc.) other than to prevent the suspect from causing death or serious injury to a person.

I disagree/agree with this.

If he did push the officer, attempt to wrestle for his firearm which caused an accidental discharge, in my opinion, he is now a dangerous person and should be treated as such.

With that said, I think it gross negligence to continue to scatter shot fire like that in a neighborhood where others can get hit when he had already put as much distance as he had between himself and the cops.

Meck77
08-15-2014, 01:20 PM
America has become a police state in recent years. That's what is happening. Meanwhile the border is a free for all for any terrorist to waltz through.

cutthemdown
08-15-2014, 01:29 PM
Sounds like you would profile out as a perfect candidate for the 2014 police academy in most states. They are looking for natural born killers these days

Yeah I want to be a killer. Good grief Baja! lol.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2014, 01:33 PM
This is getting really weird.

So the guy was shot and killed by a cop who didn't happen to know the guy had just committed a violent robbery?

What are the odds?

Not that anything about it absolves this particular police force.

http://time.com/3111133/ferguson-journalists-arrested-police-media/

Numerous officers should become immediately unemployed. History tells us that won't likely be the case.

baja
08-15-2014, 01:37 PM
America has become a police state in recent years. That's what is happening. Meanwhile the border is a free for all for any terrorist to waltz through.


I tried to warn you all about this and got called every name in the book for my trouble with you being one of the ring leaders. Go back and look the posts are mostly all still there. I was called among other things a coward and un American, even my time in the service got questioned.

Truthfully some of that stuff hurt my feelings, I was truing to open eyes to something important happening to the USA. If left unchecked the USA will become a complete police state very soon. If you have been aroused to question what is happening please check the Drudge Report here;

http://www.drudgereport.com

Also here; http://www.infowars.com this is Alex Jones' web site, he is also all over youtube.

Meck77
08-15-2014, 01:45 PM
I tried to warn you all about this and got called every name in the book for my trouble with you being one of the ring leaders. Go back and look the posts are mostly all still there. I was called among other things a coward and un American, even my time in the service got questioned.

Truthfully some of that stuff hurt my feelings, I was truing to open eyes to something important happening to the USA. If left unchecked the USA will become a complete police state very soon. If you have been aroused to question what is happening please check the Drudge Report here;

http://www.drudgereport.com

Also here; http://www.infowars.com this is Alex Jones' web site, he is also all over youtube.


Look dude you aren't helping America one bit. You are hiding down there for some reason or another. We have our police state. You guys live in a corrupt war zone. *hands baja a tissue for hurt feelings*

A lot of America's problems are the illegals from Mexico escaping the madness down there.

Whoa! Holy ****! Almost got my head ripped off by a lizzard man! The invasion is on. Baja said so! Now excuse me while I continue my 100 day food fasting and eat some sunshine. Food and water! Meh who needs it!

Cool Breeze
08-15-2014, 01:55 PM
11:51. That's the time this report was made. The footage shows 11:55. So he was robbing the store after the report was made?

Many thermostats don't account for daylight savings time changes twice a year, and it is plausible the same could be said about video surveillance systems.

BroncoBeavis
08-15-2014, 01:59 PM
Many thermostats don't account for daylight savings time changes twice a year, and it is plausible the same could be said about video surveillance systems.

One thing you can pretty much count on with these rinky dink systems is that nobody ever checks the clock on them.

El Minion
08-15-2014, 02:44 PM
The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html)

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/1408095937487.cached.jpg

The officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down.

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

”He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

“Because it’s 3 in the morning,” he later testified. “Who going to sleep on a cement floor?”

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

“I told the police officers there that I didn’t do nothing, ‘Why is you guys doing this to me?’” Davis testified. “They said, ‘OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.’”

Davis said he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis said.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in December. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

“Your chances on appeal are going up,” a fellow lawyer told him.

At least one witness has said that Brown was shot in the back and then in the chest and head as he turned toward the officer with his hands raised.

“I said, ‘Well, that doesn’t surprise me,’” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “I said I already know about Ferguson, nothing new can faze me about Ferguson.”

Schottel has also deposed the new chief, Thomas Jackson, who took over in 2010. Jackson testified that he has instituted a centralized system whereby all complaints lodged against cops by citizens or supervisors go through him and are assigned a number in an internal affairs log. Schottel views Jackson as “not a bad guy,” someone who has been trying to make positive change.

“He wants to do right, but it was such a mess,” Schottel said Wednesday.

Jackson has seemed less than progressive as he delayed identifying the officer involved in the shooting for fear it would place him and his family in danger. Jackson would only say the officer is white and has been on the job for six years. This means that for his first two and most formative years the officer might have been writing his own force reports and that none of them went into his file.

“It’s hard to get people to clean things up, especially if they’re used to doing things a certain way,” Schottel said.
On Friday, police finally identified the officer as Darren Wilson, who is said to have no disciplinary record, as such records are kept in Ferguson. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later saying there was no blood on him at all.

Requiem
08-15-2014, 03:30 PM
Really stoked to see Anonymous going hard against these guys.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 05:20 PM
Let's not confuse the 99.5% who protested peacefully with the .5% that looted and rioted.

Take away that confusion and the far-right's entire "argument" for the police collspses.

HILife
08-15-2014, 06:24 PM
Sounds like a POS thug thief got a lot more then he bargained for. LOL poor college student just minding his own business! One less criminal is all it is.

Wow, you really are a piece of ****, that missed the point and cherry picked the facts. Looks like LA Broncos Fan's description of you, fits.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5670896/data/protest-sign-over-ferguson-shooting-data.jpg

Guess Who
08-15-2014, 06:56 PM
This unarmed black man was beat up by Ferguson Police and then they charged him with property destruction as he bled on their uniforms.

****ing rat bastards..........

Guess Who
08-15-2014, 08:20 PM
yep

Can you imagine the outrage if these cops showed up at the Bundy Ranch........

ant1999e
08-15-2014, 08:33 PM
Goes both ways guess. Many here complaining about the over aggressive police force said nothing when snipers were outside the bundy ranch. What about the Boston marathon bomber? They had that neighborhood locked down with more of a force than this one for one kid.
I think your point is wrong. I think there is concern for the large police presence. I think the difference in opinion here is vilifying the policeman and the department here. Innocent until proven guilty right?

peacepipe
08-15-2014, 08:41 PM
Goes both ways guess. Many here complaining about the over aggressive police force said nothing when snipers were outside the bundy ranch. What about the Boston marathon bomber? They had that neighborhood locked down with more of a force than this one for one kid.
I think your point is wrong. I think there is concern for the large police presence. I think the difference in opinion here is vilifying the policeman and the department here. Innocent until proven guilty right?

Your talking about the welfare rancher who was illegally grazing his cattle on federal land?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2014, 08:47 PM
Innocent until proven guilty right?

L0L.

These Nazi ****s used chemical weapons on journalists, and you're still waiting for a verdict?

Your moral compass would appear to be broken (but what more can we expect from a guy like you who spent eight years on his knees for Smirk and Dick?)

Arkie
08-15-2014, 09:04 PM
Bundy Ranch and Ferguson are both examples of the public fed up with authoritarianism. Don't let them divide and conquer.

Fedaykin
08-15-2014, 09:15 PM
Bundy Ranch and Ferguson are both examples of the public fed up with authoritarianism. Don't let them divide and conquer.

You're going to try to equate a Ferguson with Bundy Ranch?

rofl

ant1999e
08-15-2014, 09:17 PM
They're proving my point.

baja
08-15-2014, 10:28 PM
Look dude you aren't helping America one bit. You are hiding down there for some reason or another. We have our police state. You guys live in a corrupt war zone. *hands baja a tissue for hurt feelings*

A lot of America's problems are the illegals from Mexico escaping the madness down there.

Whoa! Holy ****! Almost got my head ripped off by a lizzard man! The invasion is on. Baja said so! Now excuse me while I continue my 100 day food fasting and eat some sunshine. Food and water! Meh who needs it!


Just incase you ever think you are not an assshole re read your post again. What a dick you are. The PMs I got about you are true.

Oh by the way Einstien if I was "hiding out" do you think I'd be making 59,000 posts here.

You are one entitled S O B.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-16-2014, 12:06 AM
They're proving my point.

You have no point - unless you mean Fox talking points.

Those have already been posted here.

Guess Who
08-16-2014, 03:08 AM
Just incase you ever think you are not an assshole re read your post again. What a dick you are. The PMs I got about you are true.

Oh by the way Einstien if I was "hiding out" do you think I'd be making 59,000 posts here.

You are one entitled S O B.

he is a dick

Rohirrim
08-16-2014, 05:13 AM
Goes both ways guess. Many here complaining about the over aggressive police force said nothing when snipers were outside the bundy ranch. What about the Boston marathon bomber? They had that neighborhood locked down with more of a force than this one for one kid.
I think your point is wrong. I think there is concern for the large police presence. I think the difference in opinion here is vilifying the policeman and the department here. Innocent until proven guilty right?

Questioning their tactics, philosophy and equipment is not the same thing as "vilifying." BTW, reports coming in this morning say many of the protesters were helping police stop the minority who were trying to loot.

swaiy
08-16-2014, 06:12 AM
Many thermostats don't account for daylight savings time changes twice a year, and it is plausible the same could be said about video surveillance systems.

Why were they still looking for the "robbery suspect" 7 hours after they killed Mike Brown?

Why are there reports of EMTs being on the scene where there is video and photographic proof that Mike Brown's body was shoved into a freaking SUV?

swaiy
08-16-2014, 06:13 AM
Hell, why is it that these ****ing nutjobs will shoot up theaters and schools only to be injured and placed in a squad car but a kid surrendering himself, unarmed, with his hands up doesn't deserve to live?

ant1999e
08-16-2014, 10:07 AM
Hell, why is it that these ****ing nutjobs will shoot up theaters and schools only to be injured and placed in a squad car but a kid surrendering himself, unarmed, with his hands up doesn't deserve to live?

The cop says the kid attacked him. We don't know what really happened. Stop acting like you were there.
The cop had a stellar record, was just recognized for outstanding performance. The kid was caught on video minutes before attacking a store employee.
So you think this LEO decided he was going to kill a kid on his knees with his hands up in front of witnesses? It could have happened that way but I wasn't there so I'll wait until the investigation is concluded and all the facts are out.

ant1999e
08-16-2014, 10:10 AM
Questioning their tactics, philosophy and equipment is not the same thing as "vilifying." BTW, reports coming in this morning say many of the protesters were helping police stop the minority who were trying to loot.

Some are vilifying the police.
I saw that the peaceful protesters were trying to stop the looters. I think that's awesome. More communities would benefit if they would self police their neighborhood.

peacepipe
08-16-2014, 10:27 AM
The cop says the kid attacked him. We don't know what really happened. Stop acting like you were there.
The cop had a stellar record, was just recognized for outstanding performance. The kid was caught on video minutes before attacking a store employee.
So you think this LEO decided he was going to kill a kid on his knees with his hands up in front of witnesses? It could have happened that way but I wasn't there so I'll wait until the investigation is concluded and all the facts are out.

Witnesses say otherwise. Either way the cop should be charged and allow for a jury and judge to decide.

GreatBronco16
08-16-2014, 10:41 AM
Witnesses say otherwise.

They all have a reason to lie. Yes even the witnesses.

peacepipe
08-16-2014, 10:52 AM
They all have a reason to lie. Yes even the witnesses.

That's what a judge & jury is for.

GreatBronco16
08-16-2014, 11:06 AM
That's what a judge & jury is for.

Ya don't say? ;D