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Rigs11
07-31-2014, 01:13 PM
cue the circus music

House GOP calls off vote on immigration bill

Washington (CNN) -- On the last day before summer recess, dysfunction reigned in Congress.

House Republicans called off a vote on their $659 million emergency response to the border influx from Central America overwhelming immigration resources, unable to agree among themselves about what to do.

After first saying the bill was pulled, the GOP leaders called a caucus meeting for later Thursday after some Republicans said they wanted a vote.

The confusion showed the deep divisions between conservative and more moderate Republicans that has caused similar episodes in the past on other spending matters.

Meanwhile, the fate of a separate $2.7 billion Senate measure remained uncertain, with increased doubts that the Democratic majority will push for a final vote after the failure of the House to act.

Now politicians go home for five weeks to campaign for the November congressional elections without sending President Barack Obama legislation to address what both parties agree is a humanitarian crisis at the southern border.

The inability to compromise, let alone even pass any kind of legislation, showed the volatility of the immigration issue in America just over three months before the November elections.

Obama asked for $3.7 billion in emergency funding to strengthen border security and speed up the processing of the tens of thousands of arrivals -- many unaccompanied minors -- from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador in the past 10 months.

House Republicans slashed that figure and added changes to a 2008 anti-trafficking law that would remove the guarantee of an immigration hearing for children arriving on their own from Central America.

Facing Democratic opposition, GOP leaders needed almost all of their majority caucus to support the bill.

However, many Republicans -- mostly conservatives -- argued against approving any new money and argued the measure failed to effectively limit Obama from acting on his own to allow illegal immigrants to stay in the country.

They contend he has failed to enforce immigration laws by halting deportations of some child immigrants who arrived years earlier. And they now expect further unilateral steps signaled by the White House that would allow more undocumented immigrants to work in the United States.

After a partisan debate on the measure, an expected vote suddenly was canceled.

"This situation shows the intense concern within our conference -- and among the American people -- about the need to ensure the security of our borders and the President's refusal to faithfully execute our laws," the House Republican leadership said in a statement.

Shortly after, White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer tweeted: "By pulling their own bill, the House GOP once again proves why the President must act on his own to solve problems
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/politics/congress-immigration/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

B-Large
07-31-2014, 01:54 PM
I find the tension between practical conservatives cut from the Coburn cloth and those who are fringe hardlines in the Cruz mold a very fascinating story...

Rigs11
07-31-2014, 03:46 PM
I invite all the righties to step right up and offer their opinion on this charade. Beavis, Cut, barry, BoboHilarious!

BroncoBeavis
07-31-2014, 04:51 PM
Shortly after, White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer tweeted: "By pulling their own bill, the House GOP once again proves why the President must act on his own to solve problems
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/politics/congress-immigration/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

You know, the 'Constitutional' thing to do would be get your Democratic buddies in the Senate to pass their own bill.

But they don't want to be any more accountable than Republicans do. So instead they'll bow to Pfeiffer's new Caesarian view of the American Republic. You know, the one they called impeachable back when Caesar was from Texas. LOL

Rigs11
08-01-2014, 08:10 AM
You repubs are running around screaming like chicken littles blaming this on Obama,can't even pass a bill to shut yourselves up. Honestly what does your party do other than complain and whine?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-01-2014, 08:33 AM
You repubs are running around screaming like chicken littles blaming this on Obama,can't even pass a bill to shut yourselves up. Honestly what does your party do other than complain and whine?

Yep.

They had the better part of eight years to reform immigration on the smirking sociopath's watch, and they didn 't do squat.

Talk about having zero cred. Ha!

BroncoBeavis
08-01-2014, 08:36 AM
You repubs are running around screaming like chicken littles blaming this on Obama,can't even pass a bill to shut yourselves up. Honestly what does your party do other than complain and whine?

Cool how you kids vacillate between criticizing Republicans for passing futile legislation that'll never go anywhere to criticizing Republicans for NOT passing futile legislation that'll never go anywhere. LOL

nyuk nyuk
08-03-2014, 08:24 PM
The corrupt are giving the country away to a third world human tidal wave for votes and ultra-cheap labor.

And the "party of the working American" is leading the way.

W*GS
08-03-2014, 08:27 PM
The corrupt are giving the country away to a third world human tidal wave for votes and ultra-cheap labor.

And the "party of the working American" is leading the way.

What "tidal wave"?

Rohirrim
08-03-2014, 08:44 PM
The corrupt are giving the country away to a third world human tidal wave for votes and ultra-cheap labor.

And the "party of the working American" is leading the way.

Or not.
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-deports-2-million-illegal-immigrants-during-obamas-tenure/1899942.html

W*GS
08-03-2014, 08:53 PM
Or not.
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-deports-2-million-illegal-immigrants-during-obamas-tenure/1899942.html

The nativists won't be pleased until all the brown-skinned folk are gone.

It's the same ugly bigotry as always...

peacepipe
08-03-2014, 08:57 PM
You know, the 'Constitutional' thing to do would be get your Democratic buddies in the Senate to pass their own bill.

But they don't want to be any more accountable than Republicans do. So instead they'll bow to Pfeiffer's new Caesarian view of the American Republic. You know, the one they called impeachable back when Caesar was from Texas. LOL

The funny thing is that the senate already passed a bipartisan immigration reform bill with 68 votes dem and rethugs.

cutthemdown
08-04-2014, 12:25 AM
Obamas bypassing of, and selective enforcement of provisions in legislation has led to Congress not wanting to pass anything without strict enforcement written in. Now they can't agree on anything.

Senate not any better though.

We have laws on the books to deport all those kids. They only get to stay under the 2008 law if they were trafficked and exploited. It doesn't cover the incredible journey.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 03:04 AM
Obamas bypassing of, and selective enforcement of provisions in legislation has led to Congress not wanting to pass anything without strict enforcement written in. Now they can't agree on anything.

Senate not any better though.

We have laws on the books to deport all those kids. They only get to stay under the 2008 law if they were trafficked and exploited. It doesn't cover the incredible journey.

Going through due process will determine that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-04-2014, 06:11 AM
The corrupt are giving the country away to a third world human tidal wave for votes and ultra-cheap labor.

And the "party of the working American" is leading the way.

Funny how we didn't hear a word of protest from you when your hero GeeDubya was calling for amnesty and work visas.

And who do you think benefits the most from that cheap labor?

That's right: the corporate fat cats you venerate.

I'm surprised your head doesn't explode from all that cognitive dissonance. Ha!

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 07:08 AM
Funny how we didn't hear a word of protest from you when your hero GeeDubya was calling for amnesty and work visas.

And who do you think benefits the most from that cheap labor?

That's right: the corporate fat cats you venerate.

I'm surprised your head doesn't explode from all that cognitive dissonance. Ha!

Labron disingenuity through and through. Plenty of Conservatives were up in arms about GW on immigration. I'd be willing to bet you were calling them racists for doing so.

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 07:10 AM
The funny thing is that the senate already passed a bipartisan immigration reform bill with 68 votes dem and rethugs.

And the house just passed two immigration reform bills. I'll wait for you to pound the desk now demanding that Obama work harder to push it through. Because Do Somefing! LOL

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-04-2014, 07:18 AM
Labron disingenuity through and through. Plenty of Conservatives were up in arms about GW on immigration.

Is that so, Cletus?

Then you should have no problem linking us to even one thread started by Hobo, barryr or any of the usual suspects to condemn chimp and oildick.


I'd be willing to bet you were calling them racists for doing so.

Again, show me even one quote that would substantiate this.



That's what I thought.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 08:12 AM
And the house just passed two immigration reform bills. I'll wait for you to pound the desk now demanding that Obama work harder to push it through. Because Do Somefing! LOL


They didn't pass any reform bill. They made themselves look like asses trying to pass a quick fix(a kick the can down the road) measure that everyone knows won't get through the senate.
Meanwhile the senate passed immigration bill that has the votes to pass in the house but boner refuses to bring it up for a vote.
If only rethugs did there jobs a yr ago a lot of what's going on now could've been resolved.

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 08:18 AM
They didn't pass any reform bill. They made themselves look like asses trying to pass a quick fix(a kick the can down the road) measure that everyone knows won't get through the senate.
Meanwhile the senate passed immigration bill that has the votes to pass in the house but boner refuses to bring it up for a vote.
If only rethugs did there jobs a yr ago a lot of what's going on now could've been resolved.

What are you talking about?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/politics/congress-immigration/

Republicans led by conservative Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama say Obama plans to unilaterally issue work permits to as many as 6 million immigrants living illegally in the United States, which the critics call a violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
Sessions tried to get an amendment that would block such presidential action added to the Senate border legislation, but Democrats defeated his motion.
However, Senate Democrats were unable later to secure the 60 votes necessary to overcome a budget challenge against the measure, which included $2.7 billion in immigration funding along with $900 million to fight U.S. wildfires and bolster Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 08:26 AM
I'm talking about immigration reform. All the BS done this past week isn't even close to it.

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 08:56 AM
I'm talking about immigration reform. All the BS done this past week isn't even close to it.

What you're really saying is you want Republicans to pass Democrats' vision for immigration reform.

And this is in essence how the executive works it.

"Until Congress does what I want, I will do what I want"

Kind of a no-win situation. All they can really do is pass conflicting bills that will never go anywhere.

Meanwhile, the Imperial President will pretend like he's simultaneously non-responsible for the current problem, yet singularly capable of fixing it. An interesting paradox to say the least.

TonyR
08-04-2014, 08:58 AM
A good read on how badly the GOP blew it on immigration last week.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-gops-border-spectacle-1406933161

...the GOP again gave the country the impression that its highest policy priority is to deport as many children as rapidly as possible back from wherever they came.

LOL Always brilliant politics to make the country's fastest growing demographic despise you!

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 09:06 AM
What you're really saying is you want Republicans to pass Democrats' vision fo r immigration reform.

And this is in essence how the executive works it.

"Until Congress does what I want, I will do what I want"

Kind of a no-win situation. All they can really do is pass conflicting bills that will never go anywhere.

Meanwhile, the Imperial President will pretend like he's simultaneously non-responsible for the current problem, yet singularly capable of fixing it. An interesting paradox to say the least.
BS. Senate passed bill was a BIPARTISAN BILL. 68 votes! dems and rethugs voted for it.

Rohirrim
08-04-2014, 09:09 AM
A good read on how badly the GOP blew it on immigration last week.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-gops-border-spectacle-1406933161



LOL Always brilliant politics to make the country's fastest growing demographic despise you!

It will be interesting to see how they do with the Latino vote in the midterms.

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 09:29 AM
BS. Senate passed bill was a BIPARTISAN BILL. 68 votes! dems and rethugs voted for it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/30/house-passes-immigration-bill-to-keep-science-and-technology-students-in-u-s/

The Stem Jobs Act got 27 Democratic votes back in 2012. Harry Reid promptly took a nap on it in the Senate.

Pound the desk! Demand Harry Reid do something about immigration! LOL

TonyR
08-04-2014, 10:56 AM
A party that began the Congressional term hoping to move left from Mitt Romney’s immigration stance has instead moved toward Michele Bachmann’s. (Bachmann — who, along with Steve King, helped draft the House bill — pronounces herself thrilled.) The party’s new dogma will potentially entangle its next nominee in an even less humane debate than the one that ensnared Romney. At the very least, it has put 216 House Republicans, many of whom will one day seek higher office, on record for a policy most Latino voters consider disqualifying. The aye votes include potential 2016 presidential candidate Paul Ryan, who is not likely to be greeted by friendly mariachi bands any time soon.

It is understandable that the party’s Congressional wing, based mostly in safe, deep-red districts, has failed to craft a national strategy for its 2016 candidate. But the House’s course of action has fallen well below “unhelpful” and instead verges on outright sabotage. How do they think this is going to work out for them? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/house-republicans-want-president-hillary-clinton.html

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 11:31 AM
It's going to be sweet hearing all the wailing and gnashing when a Republican President figures out he can take hostages through selective enforcement and then start demanding negotiations leveraging those same hostages.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 11:39 AM
It's going to be sweet hearing all the wailing and gnashing when a Republican President figures out he can take hostages through selective enforcement and then start demanding negotiations leveraging those same hostages.

Not too worried. The likelihood of there being a rethuglican president the next ten yrs is almost nil. Granted, rethugs do know a thing or two about hostage taking if you look at recent history.

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 11:56 AM
Not too worried. The likelihood of there being a rethuglican president the next ten yrs is almost nil. Granted, rethugs do know a thing or two about hostage taking if you look at recent history.

So shortsighted.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-and-bush-poll-numbers-nearly-identical-five-years-into-presidency-214919924.html

TonyR
08-04-2014, 11:59 AM
So shortsighted.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-and-bush-poll-numbers-nearly-identical-five-years-into-presidency-214919924.html

Are you suggesting this has some bearing on the 2016 POTUS race?

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 12:00 PM
Are you suggesting this has some bearing on the 2016 POTUS race?

Does history have some bearing?

Yeah. It repeats. More often than not.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 12:22 PM
Ha!So shortsighted.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-and-bush-poll-numbers-nearly-identical-five-years-into-presidency-214919924.html

Unfortunately for rethuglicans,Obama isn't running for president in 2016 and beyond.

peacepipe
08-04-2014, 12:39 PM
:)Does history have some bearing?

Yeah. It repeats. More often than not.

With winning strategies like this how can a rethuglican not get elected pres.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mo-brooks-democrats-war-on-whites


"This is a part of the war on whites that’s being launched by the Democratic Party. And the way in which they’re launching this war is by claiming that whites hate everybody else," Brooks told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham. "It's part of the strategy that Barack Obama implemented in 2008, continued in 2012, where he divides us all on race, on sex, greed, envy, class warfare, all those kinds of things. Well that’s not true."

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 01:02 PM
Ha!

Unfortunately for rethuglicans,Obama isn't running for president in 2016 and beyond.

And Bush didn't run in 2008.

Hell, you kids might even run your own Old Lady McCain the way things look. :)

TonyR
08-04-2014, 01:30 PM
Does history have some bearing?

Yeah. It repeats. More often than not.

It doesn't mean nothing, I'll give you that. But I'd say polls, as inaccurate as they probably are this early, probably mean more.

Hillary wins every matchup, most of them decisively, in numerous polls summarized here: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm

The poll finds Clinton would top Christie by 10 points, Paul by 11 points and Bush by 13 points, if the 2016 presidential election were held today. Clinton bests Kasich by 19 points. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/28/fox-news-poll-hypothetical-2016-presidential-matchups-for-junkies-only/

...if the 2012 election were somehow held again, Romney would capture 53% of the popular vote, with the President at 44%. Obama beat Romney 51%-47% in the popular vote in the 2012 contest. And he won the all-important Electoral College by a wider margin, 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206.

Last November, an ABC News/Washington Post survey indicated that if the 2012 election were held again, Romney would have had a 49%-45% edge over Obama in the popular vote.

Romney has said numerous times that he won't run for the White House again. But what if things changed and he ended up as the GOP nominee in 2016? The CNN poll indicates that 55% of Americans would support Clinton, with Romney at 42%. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/27/cnn-poll-romney-tops-obama-but-loses-to-clinton/

Rohirrim
08-04-2014, 01:55 PM
:)

With winning strategies like this how can a rethuglican not get elected pres.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mo-brooks-democrats-war-on-whites

http://sistertoldjah.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/headdesk.jpg

BroncoBeavis
08-04-2014, 02:00 PM
It doesn't mean nothing, I'll give you that. But I'd say polls, as inaccurate as they probably are this early, probably mean more.

Hillary wins every matchup, most of them decisively, in numerous polls summarized here: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/28/fox-news-poll-hypothetical-2016-presidential-matchups-for-junkies-only/

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/27/cnn-poll-romney-tops-obama-but-loses-to-clinton/

Early potential-candidate polling is almost meaningless. A name recognition contest, mostly. Hillary was absolutely trouncing the field in 06-07. And then lost her party's own primary.

Once people flesh out the details with real people, the game changes completely. And having a deeply unpopular predecessor is a tough hurdle to overcome.