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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-17-2013, 11:40 PM
A new study from the nonpartisan Center For Media Affairs has concluded that since the beginning of President Obama’s second term, Republicans have lied three times more often than Democrats.

The Center For Media Affairs (CFMA) at George Mason University found that PolitiFact rated Republican claims as false three times more often than Democratic claims. Not only do Republicans lie more often, but Democrats are more truthful. By a 2 to 1 margin (22%-11%) PolitiFact rated Democratic statements as completely true. The CFMA also found that (http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_05_28_13.html), “A majority of Democratic statements (54%) were rated as mostly or entirely true, compared to only 18% of Republican statements.

Conversely, a majority of Republican statements (52%) were rated as mostly or entirely false, compared to only 24% of Democratic statements. Despite controversies over Obama administration statements regarding Benghazi, the IRS and the Associated Press, Republicans have continued to fare worse than Democrats, with 60% of their claims rated as false so far this month (May 1 – May 22), compared to 29% of Democratic statements – a 2 to 1 margin.”

On this surface the fact that Republicans lie more than Democrats may appear obvious, but beyond the numbers this study confirms that lying is a major component of Republican political strategy.


The reason why Republicans can get away with lying so often is because the mainstream media refuses to challenge them. The media has become a willing accomplice in the GOP’s lie to win strategy by treating lies as equal to facts. Republicans know that they can go on television and spread their false talking points with little or no resistance from the media. Republicans have turned the press into empty headed megaphones by refusing to speak to anyone in the media who will challenge their lies. Republicans withhold access to anyone who refuses to treat their lies as fact. That’s how the game works, and it is why the corporate media turns a blind eye to blatant Republican falsehoods.

Republicans are claiming that President Obama has a credibility problem with the American people (http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-move-closer-impeachment-claim-obama-losing-moral-authority.html), when in reality the entire Republican Party lacks credibility. A majority of Americans don’t believe what the Republican Party says anymore. The Republican Party has so damaged their reputation that anyone who runs as the Republican presidential nominee inherits a credibility issue.


The CFMA study blows the media excuse that both sides do it out of the water. Both sides don’t do it. Republicans are lying as part of an intentional strategy to mislead the country. These aren’t a few false statements by individual members of Congress. These lies are party wide talking points. Congressional Republicans have based their investigations of this president on lies, and they believe that if they keep lying long enough, they can convince the American people that they are telling the truth.


Republicans have responded to the improving economy (http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-impeach-obama-consumer-confidence-surges-year-high.html) by doubling output of untruth. The trifecta of Obama scandals that the GOP has dreamed up hinge upon false allegations. Lying has become standard operating procedure for the Republican Party. With their policies rejected, and their leadership absent (http://www.politicususa.com/john-boehner-confirms-completely-pointless-talk-john-boehner.html), all the Republican Party has left to offer America is an endless stream of lies.

Doggcow
11-17-2013, 11:48 PM
But it's like "I didn't sleep with that guy." vs "I didn't murder and deceive millions of people."'

Von Miller gets in trouble more than Aaron Hernandez.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-17-2013, 11:58 PM
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LOL Teahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................... ...........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2013, 12:21 AM
^

Oblivious to the fact that, as the study shows, his credibility is shot to sh*t.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2013, 12:22 AM
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cutthemdown
11-18-2013, 01:02 AM
Politifact is run by two news organizations and only claims to be non partisan lol. They pick and choose what statements and what politicians get fact checked.

fankadeo
11-18-2013, 02:23 AM
Politifact is run by two news organizations and only claims to be non partisan lol. They pick and choose what statements and what politicians get fact checked.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3877519&postcount=692


wait why are you here. I thought you made a bold statement and moved on with your awesome bearded life?

Rohirrim
11-18-2013, 07:05 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3877519&postcount=692


wait why are you here. I thought you made a bold statement and moved on with your awesome bearded life?

Then he realized that nobody had noticed.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-18-2013, 09:32 AM
http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/YouGov%201.jpg

B-Large
11-18-2013, 09:54 AM
http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/YouGov%201.jpg

I find Fox News' coverage of anything about ACA not only incorrect and deliberatly misleading in most cases, but often hilarious. But the average American automoton rarely questions what their told, so this makes sense.

I guess what they have on their side is 9.9/10 Americans has no idea how our health system works, what is in the policies they current hold from insurers, what a risk pool even is... its really astounding how stupid Americans are with regards to healthcare... I am not even certain how to answers questions sometimes because the person askign the question doesn't understand the question their asking, let alone the response.

We're doom to have the most expensive, least effective system in the world...

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-18-2013, 10:00 AM
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cutthemdown
11-18-2013, 01:39 PM
Fox news alone in a sea of liberal media. They only exist because liberal media got so out of control.

cutthemdown
11-18-2013, 01:42 PM
Obamas big problem is the fact the media has no real moral ground. Sure fox is conservative and the rest liberal but when it comes down to it they will all attack when the time is right. Obama can't run for election again so the media, even his liberal media, will be better off attacking him. Also his influence wains so rich people won't care about him either. Just sort of how it is. What's funny is his big thing, healthcare, being judged on signing people up or not, and the initial cost. Hell we haven't even got to the care part yet lol.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2013, 05:39 PM
>>I find Fox News' coverage of anything about ACA not only incorrect and deliberatly misleading in most cases, but often hilarious.<<

Just like UltimateSpammer himself. :D

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-25-2013, 01:32 PM
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Johnykbr
11-25-2013, 02:53 PM
We're doom to have the most expensive, least effective system in the world...

Yes, the American system is more pricey, it would be foolish for anyone to debate that. However, where do you get least effective? Unless you are going to a free clinic, our medical service is hands down some of the best in the world. Even those that go to medicaid providers receive better and, more importantly, faster care than many in the countries that offer "free" or single-payer care.

W*GS
11-25-2013, 02:56 PM
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/danmunro/files/2012/12/cost1.png

Johnykbr
11-25-2013, 08:39 PM
Notice I didn't argue price. The system we have in place currently is absurdly expensive when it doesn't need to be. In my opinion, if the AMA didn't have the strangle hold over medicine and licensing that it does, then the insurance companies would be able to inflate prices so much. Then with some decent tort reform to address lawsuits and cross county and state-line exchanges, there would be much more care and for much cheaper prices. Only problem is that the damn lobbyists for all three own congress...

But correct me if I'm wrong, I've always read that the Average Life Expectancy factors in Infant Mortality rates. The US is one of the few countries that "starts the clock" immediately upon birth while most countries wait hours and, in some cases, days to count them. That artificially inflates the IMR which should impact the ALE. My whole point is that while we do pay too much, the care is actually quite good.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2013, 08:51 AM
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/danmunro/files/2012/12/cost1.png

Alternative Translation (and just as credible)

Spicy Food Kills.

barryr
11-26-2013, 08:00 PM
It's amazing. There has never been a study by liberals that found them in a worse light than conservatives. It's simply incredible. Meanwhile when Bush was the POTUS, they never lied, never asked for countless hearings on anything that moved, and only dissented as true Americans, unlike those evil conservatives.

cutthemdown
11-27-2013, 11:00 AM
Notice I didn't argue price. The system we have in place currently is absurdly expensive when it doesn't need to be. In my opinion, if the AMA didn't have the strangle hold over medicine and licensing that it does, then the insurance companies would be able to inflate prices so much. Then with some decent tort reform to address lawsuits and cross county and state-line exchanges, there would be much more care and for much cheaper prices. Only problem is that the damn lobbyists for all three own congress...

But correct me if I'm wrong, I've always read that the Average Life Expectancy factors in Infant Mortality rates. The US is one of the few countries that "starts the clock" immediately upon birth while most countries wait hours and, in some cases, days to count them. That artificially inflates the IMR which should impact the ALE. My whole point is that while we do pay too much, the care is actually quite good.

Here we go with the tort reform BS lie. It ishard to sue a doctor ok? It's a lie fomented by insurance companies to try and get limits on judgements. You know so when some doctor cuts off the wrong leg the only have to pay 500 thousand and not 3 million. People seem to think that lawsuits get won where people where not seriously injured. That is bs. You may see some hacks get someone 50 grand here and there but that isn't what tort reform is about. We have juries and judges we are supposed to rely on to decide damages. Limiting them with tort reform is just another **** you to ordinary americans who get injured.

BroncoBeavis
11-27-2013, 11:54 AM
Here we go with the tort reform BS lie. It ishard to sue a doctor ok? It's a lie fomented by insurance companies to try and get limits on judgements. You know so when some doctor cuts off the wrong leg the only have to pay 500 thousand and not 3 million. People seem to think that lawsuits get won where people where not seriously injured. That is bs. You may see some hacks get someone 50 grand here and there but that isn't what tort reform is about. We have juries and judges we are supposed to rely on to decide damages. Limiting them with tort reform is just another **** you to ordinary americans who get injured.

Two words for you my man.

John. Edwards.

Outside of that, just like "The Cost of the Uninsured" argument, it's a sideshow issue. It's a problem that might need addressing someday. But it's not "What's wrong with Healthcare in the US"

Guess Who
11-27-2013, 06:53 PM
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LOL Teahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................... ...........

You realize the people being dropped from the insurance they have is because it doesn't meet the new standards and are basically junk insurance. That is why they are dropped. If they would look into getting different insurance they would be able to find better insurance at a cheaper price.

Guess Who
11-27-2013, 06:53 PM
It's amazing. There has never been a study by liberals that found them in a worse light than conservatives. It's simply incredible. Meanwhile when Bush was the POTUS, they never lied, never asked for countless hearings on anything that moved, and only dissented as true Americans, unlike those evil conservatives.

pretty much

Guess Who
11-27-2013, 06:55 PM
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1426181_10151802628486336_1338667009_n.jpg

46% is pretty good compared to Republicans.

Bob
11-27-2013, 07:36 PM
The only problem with this is that it was a socialist sponsored study...

errand
11-27-2013, 08:56 PM
You realize the people being dropped from the insurance they have is because it doesn't meet the new standards and are basically junk insurance. That is why they are dropped. If they would look into getting different insurance they would be able to find better insurance at a cheaper price.

I have friend who was on his wife's plan from her job....but due to the new laws, she could no longer put him on her policy because his employer offers one.

So he has a worse plan and they are paying more for healthcare.

As for who lies more....LOL, yeah keep thinking that career politicians don't lie

errand
11-27-2013, 08:57 PM
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/97318-wapo-just-vindicated-11-things-conservatives-laughed-saying-years-ago/

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-30-2013, 12:16 PM
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peacepipe
11-30-2013, 05:12 PM
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/97318-wapo-just-vindicated-11-things-conservatives-laughed-saying-years-ago/

a heavily conservative site that calls itself "independent". ROFL!

peacepipe
11-30-2013, 05:14 PM
I have friend who was on his wife's plan from her job....but due to the new laws, she could no longer put him on her policy because his employer offers one.

So he has a worse plan and they are paying more for healthcare.

As for who lies more....LOL, yeah keep thinking that career politicians don't lie

BS

The Lone Bolt
11-30-2013, 07:52 PM
I have friend who was on his wife's plan from her job....but due to the new laws, she could no longer put him on her policy because his employer offers one.

So he has a worse plan and they are paying more for healthcare.

As for who lies more....LOL, yeah keep thinking that career politicians don't lie

I'm not aware of any provision in the PPACA that requires individuals to be dropped from their spouse's plan if their employer offers one. Sounds like a load of bull.

Johnykbr
12-01-2013, 01:52 PM
I'm not aware of any provision in the PPACA that requires individuals to be dropped from their spouse's plan if their employer offers one. Sounds like a load of bull.

Of course there isn't but the plans have to adjust to what Obamacare says they will need to cover so the prices are going up for companies. They need to either swallow some more of the cost or throw it all onto the employees which will be an extremely unpopular move.

peacepipe
12-01-2013, 04:56 PM
Of course there isn't but the plans have to adjust to what Obamacare says they will need to cover so the prices are going up for companies. They need to either swallow some more of the cost or throw it all onto the employees which will be an extremely unpopular move.

actually not, but go ahead and try to prove your point.

Johnykbr
12-02-2013, 11:42 AM
Hmmm...the fact that I'm in frequent contact with TPL insurance firms for my job that tell me almost that exact thing makes me pretty confident that I am correct. Also that whole working with CMS to get ACA compliant for the state MMIS I'm consulting on too. I suppose you could say I'm pretty familiar with the topic.

Insurance firms did not find out about all the fine print regulations of the ACA until days before its launch so they made premeditated moves to become compliant with the widely speculated rules. This involved cutting a lot of the plans that people were comfortable with. That's why delaying some of the portions of the law are pointless for your large insurance firms (not speaking about local state exchanges because they may behave differently and I'm not as familiar with all of them) because they aren't going to roll back just to implement again the same cuts next year.

So then back to what Errand said, it is becoming more and more frequent for companies to drop spousal coverage if the spouse can purchase their own insurance via their place of business because that can mask the amount the company is passing onto the employee in increased rates. It's not unethical, and not even a part of ACA so I disagree with him there, but it just sucks for those affected and I can only assume those companies are willing to take the talent hit.

barryr
12-06-2013, 05:07 AM
Hmmm...the fact that I'm in frequent contact with TPL insurance firms for my job that tell me almost that exact thing makes me pretty confident that I am correct. Also that whole working with CMS to get ACA compliant for the state MMIS I'm consulting on too. I suppose you could say I'm pretty familiar with the topic.

Insurance firms did not find out about all the fine print regulations of the ACA until days before its launch so they made premeditated moves to become compliant with the widely speculated rules. This involved cutting a lot of the plans that people were comfortable with. That's why delaying some of the portions of the law are pointless for your large insurance firms (not speaking about local state exchanges because they may behave differently and I'm not as familiar with all of them) because they aren't going to roll back just to implement again the same cuts next year.

So then back to what Errand said, it is becoming more and more frequent for companies to drop spousal coverage if the spouse can purchase their own insurance via their place of business because that can mask the amount the company is passing onto the employee in increased rates. It's not unethical, and not even a part of ACA so I disagree with him there, but it just sucks for those affected and I can only assume those companies are willing to take the talent hit.

But the Obama supporters need to desperately cling to that idea that everyone will benefit in the end and be holding hands and signing songs to Obama's greatness, so you can't be believed. It just can't be true because Obama would never lie about anything. Reality interferes too often with utopia for them.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-06-2013, 02:51 PM
But the Obama supporters need to desperately cling to that idea that everyone will benefit in the end and be holding hands and signing songs to Obama's greatness, so you can't be believed. It just can't be true because Obama would never lie about anything. Reality interferes too often with utopia for them.

Let's be real here: The only reason right-wingnuts like you aren't lining up to blow Obama is because (a) he's black, and (b) he's a Democrat.

The ACA was conceived by your buddies at Heritage, and it was beta tested as "Romneycare" before it was re-branded as "Obamacare."

Apparently, pesky little facts like these simply don't matter to Fox News-watching mouth breathers like you.

Johnykbr
12-06-2013, 08:26 PM
Let's be real here: The only reason right-wingnuts like you aren't lining up to blow Obama is because (a) he's black, and (b) he's a Democrat.

The ACA was conceived by your buddies at Heritage, and it was beta tested as "Romneycare" before it was re-branded as "Obamacare."

Apparently, pesky little facts like these simply don't matter to Fox News-watching mouth breathers like you.

The fact is that Romneycare can work in wealthy states that have a high degree of coverage to begin with. But all I can speak about is what I'm seeing and dealing with in the business as it currently stands and it is chaos. The scariest part of all this is the expansion of Medicaid option, which ironically was in Romneycare. Doctor's can very easily drop Medicaid since it takes a long time to get paid for services. Those patients are then going to be forced to either travel absurdly long distances or go to the ER for basic care since they won't be able to afford even the basic packages for Obamacare.

peacepipe
12-06-2013, 09:00 PM
Hmmm...the fact that I'm in frequent contact with TPL insurance firms for my job that tell me almost that exact thing makes me pretty confident that I am correct. Also that whole working with CMS to get ACA compliant for the state MMIS I'm consulting on too. I suppose you could say I'm pretty familiar with the topic.

Insurance firms did not find out about all the fine print regulations of the ACA until days before its launch so they made premeditated moves to become compliant with the widely speculated rules. This involved cutting a lot of the plans that people were comfortable with. That's why delaying some of the portions of the law are pointless for your large insurance firms (not speaking about local state exchanges because they may behave differently and I'm not as familiar with all of them) because they aren't going to roll back just to implement again the same cuts next year.

So then back to what Errand said, it is becoming more and more frequent for companies to drop spousal coverage if the spouse can purchase their own insurance via their place of business because that can mask the amount the company is passing onto the employee in increased rates. It's not unethical, and not even a part of ACA so I disagree with him there, but it just sucks for those affected and I can only assume those companies are willing to take the talent hit.

BS. insurance companies practically wrote the damn law. which every insurance company has been aware of over the last 20 years when obamacare was first conceived by the heritage foundation. insurance co. are well aware of what's in obamacare, from 20 yrs ago when it was conceived,to romneycare to what they call it now.everybody and there mother knows what's in obamacare when it comes to ins. companies.

houghtam
12-06-2013, 09:29 PM
The fact is that Romneycare can work in wealthy states that have a high degree of coverage to begin with. But all I can speak about is what I'm seeing and dealing with in the business as it currently stands and it is chaos. The scariest part of all this is the expansion of Medicaid option, which ironically was in Romneycare. Doctor's can very easily drop Medicaid since it takes a long time to get paid for services. Those patients are then going to be forced to either travel absurdly long distances or go to the ER for basic care since they won't be able to afford even the basic packages for Obamacare.

Yeah man, Kentucky is one wealthy state.

Johnykbr
12-06-2013, 09:29 PM
BS. insurance companies practically wrote the damn law. which every insurance company has been aware of over the last 20 years when obamacare was first conceived by the heritage foundation. insurance co. are well aware of what's in obamacare, from 20 yrs ago when it was conceived,to romneycare to what they call it now.everybody and there mother knows what's in obamacare when it comes to ins. companies.

BS to you. They had plenty of input but they had no idea what the specifics were. Why do you think actuaries were scrambling like mad to come up with rates that would be compliant? Everything prior to Go Live was a projection because they could not create the rates based of speculation. This is also the reason why you saw the delay of people being notified that they were going to lose their current plans.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-07-2013, 08:06 PM
Yeah man, Kentucky is one wealthy state.

L0L! Ha!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-07-2013, 08:08 PM
BS. insurance companies practically wrote the damn law. which every insurance company has been aware of over the last 20 years when obamacare was first conceived by the heritage foundation. insurance co. are well aware of what's in obamacare, from 20 yrs ago when it was conceived,to romneycare to what they call it now.everybody and there mother knows what's in obamacare when it comes to ins. companies.

Ding ding ding! Winner.

http://www.bartcop.com/nra-vs-aca.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-07-2013, 08:52 PM
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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-09-2013, 03:39 PM
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Guess Who
12-10-2013, 12:52 AM
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LOL Teahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................... ...........

ok 1% of the population cannot keep their health plan. Do you know why most of them can't keep their health plan? Because it doesn't meet the minimum standards set up by the ACA. It is basically a junk plan to lure people into payments but in reality offers very little coverage.

Guess Who
12-10-2013, 12:53 AM
Is anyone here really surprised that Republicans lie 3 times more?

BroncoBeavis
12-10-2013, 08:39 AM
ok 1% of the population cannot keep their health plan. Do you know why most of them can't keep their health plan? Because it doesn't meet the minimum standards set up by the ACA. It is basically a junk plan to lure people into payments but in reality offers very little coverage.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

1% my ass.

Pony Boy
12-12-2013, 01:33 PM
Embrace the Suck ................Hilarious!

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orinjkrush
12-12-2013, 04:47 PM
republic-ism and democracy-ism are just two sociological faiths. neither is historically validated as THE way and the THE truth and THE light.

both are merely religious ideologies based on superstition. "if the facts do not conform to the faith, they must be disposed of."

And the politicians who participate in this theater of the absurd are disgusting vile creatures. IMHO

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-15-2013, 05:43 PM
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Jetmeck
12-16-2013, 07:49 PM
I have friend who was on his wife's plan from her job....but due to the new laws, she could no longer put him on her policy because his employer offers one.

So he has a worse plan and they are paying more for healthcare.

As for who lies more....LOL, yeah keep thinking that career politicians don't lie


I BELIEVE HONESTLY THIS IS A LIE...........LOL

Since you bothered running your mouth in one of my threads I want

you to know this is not personal, you are JUST A LIAR.


SAME POSITION FOR ME AND WIFE AND I CAN GET INSURANCE AT EITHER job and my kids can as well or go online or just call .

Saved 160 a month on kids healthcare premiums and no subsidies.


Wife had three mammograms for free recently...........

Full of chit as usual.

Jetmeck
12-16-2013, 07:52 PM
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Did you hear Heritage group wants us all to call our reps and tell them to say no to wind and solar subsidies yet when I called them and asked about oil companies subsidies they HUNG UP...................

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-19-2013, 03:26 PM
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ZONA
12-19-2013, 09:05 PM
If you ask me, one of the reasons why the healthcare system has major flaws is that MANY doctors are in this for the big money. I've had several doctors in the past 5 years and 4 of them were so bad, when I walked into the office and when they came into the room, their first comment was, Hi - need a prescription for anything? You could be a healthy 25 year old with no previous surgeries or any medical condition, walk in a say you're not feeling well, they tell you that you have a cold, but we want to follow up with you in a week. They just want to push visits and prescriptions to the max. Insurance companies then have to charge more because the visits and prescriptions are WAY OUT OF CONTROL. And not to mention hospital bills. You can't tell me it's not price gouging when a 20 minute MRI costs $10,000. Americans are so stupid they defend all this and say, yeah, but we have the best healthcare available in the world. I lay most of the blame on Hospitals, clinics and doctors. They charge way too much and they give out too much care that's not even needed.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 06:17 AM
If you ask me, one of the reasons why the healthcare system has major flaws is that MANY doctors are in this for the big money. I've had several doctors in the past 5 years and 4 of them were so bad, when I walked into the office and when they came into the room, their first comment was, Hi - need a prescription for anything? You could be a healthy 25 year old with no previous surgeries or any medical condition, walk in a say you're not feeling well, they tell you that you have a cold, but we want to follow up with you in a week. They just want to push visits and prescriptions to the max. Insurance companies then have to charge more because the visits and prescriptions are WAY OUT OF CONTROL. And not to mention hospital bills. You can't tell me it's not price gouging when a 20 minute MRI costs $10,000. Americans are so stupid they defend all this and say, yeah, but we have the best healthcare available in the world. I lay most of the blame on Hospitals, clinics and doctors. They charge way too much and they give out too much care that's not even needed.

You're on the right track with your narrative, but the doctors, clinics and hospitals are just minor players.

The major players in this swindle are the drug companies, the insurance industry, and, ultimately, Wall Street.

Johnykbr
12-20-2013, 08:38 AM
If you ask me, one of the reasons why the healthcare system has major flaws is that MANY doctors are in this for the big money. I've had several doctors in the past 5 years and 4 of them were so bad, when I walked into the office and when they came into the room, their first comment was, Hi - need a prescription for anything? You could be a healthy 25 year old with no previous surgeries or any medical condition, walk in a say you're not feeling well, they tell you that you have a cold, but we want to follow up with you in a week. They just want to push visits and prescriptions to the max. Insurance companies then have to charge more because the visits and prescriptions are WAY OUT OF CONTROL. And not to mention hospital bills. You can't tell me it's not price gouging when a 20 minute MRI costs $10,000. Americans are so stupid they defend all this and say, yeah, but we have the best healthcare available in the world. I lay most of the blame on Hospitals, clinics and doctors. They charge way too much and they give out too much care that's not even needed.

I fully agree here. Most of the doctors I had in CO were pretty good in that you would go there and they would try to diagnose. When I moved to NC, every single freaking time I go to the doctor all they do is listen then ask if I want a referral to a specialist. They just got paid for doing literally nothing. It doesn't help though that pretty much every single doctor has to go through the AMA for certification which do their best to try to limit the number so they can keep the competition low.

BroncoBeavis
12-20-2013, 10:03 AM
You're on the right track with your narrative, but the doctors, clinics and hospitals are just minor players.

The major players in this swindle are the drug companies, the insurance industry, and, ultimately, Wall Street.

Wrong answer (per the yoozsh)

Providers are motivated to both earn more and CYA. Consumers are writing the checks for it on other people's accounts.

It's a classic fiscal "tragedy of the commons" scenario. Pooling even more resources into "the commons" is exactly the wrong solution. But that's almost always the prescription we're given.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:02 PM
Wrong answer (per the yoozsh)

Providers are motivated to both earn more and CYA. Consumers are writing the checks for it on other people's accounts.

It's a classic fiscal "tragedy of the commons" scenario. Pooling even more resources into "the commons" is exactly the wrong solution. But that's almost always the prescription we're given.

You missed the point.

Sure, the providers are "motivated to earn more," but their earnings are small potatoes compared to those of the grifters on Wall Street who have turned the health care system into their own private casino.

BroncoBeavis
12-20-2013, 04:13 PM
You missed the point.

Sure, the providers are "motivated to earn more," but their earnings are small potatoes compared to those of the grifters on Wall Street who have turned the health care system into their own private casino.

Sorry man. But if that were the case the medical inflation of local healthcare would have been significantly less than that of say Big Pharma. But that's just not the case.

Local hospitals and providers keep on taking more and more just like everyone else, because it's a system where relatively few deeply care what it costs.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:22 PM
Sorry man. But if that were the case the medical inflation of local healthcare would have been significantly less than that of say Big Pharma.


L0L!

What sort of "logic" led you to that conclusion?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:24 PM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:28 PM
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BroncoBeavis
12-20-2013, 04:36 PM
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This explains why the uninsured get such a screamin' deal on all their medical treatments. LOL

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:40 PM
This explains why the uninsured get such a screamin' deal on all their medical treatments. LOL

Not sure if serious. ::)

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:41 PM
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BroncoBeavis
12-20-2013, 04:42 PM
Not sure if serious. ::)

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Your Sarcasm Detector is bulletproof.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2013, 04:50 PM
Your Sarcasm Detector is bulletproof.

As is your irony meter. Ha!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-21-2013, 10:42 PM
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houghtam
12-22-2013, 12:00 AM
Cool so we can just take the twelve days of Christmas and add whatever our flavor of the day cause is without any regard for number or relevance?

Try harder, at least. This is much, much worse than the "five Harry Reids" Fox News put out.

barryr
12-22-2013, 06:19 AM
It wasn't republicans who told everybody in countless speeches and softball interviews that if you liked our insurance, you could keep it and your doctor and your premiums wouldn't soar. Just wait until the employer mandate kicks in, magically moved to after next Nov. elections. Gee, I wonder why?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-22-2013, 08:49 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-22-2013, 04:38 PM
^ Right-wing half-wits like HoHo don't want the uninsured to be able to afford health insurance - they'd rather continue to pay for these people themselves via their hard-earned tax dollars.

Who said conservatives don't like welfare? Ha!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-22-2013, 06:38 PM
^ Right-wing half-wits like HoHo don't want the uninsured to be able to afford health insurance - they'd rather continue to pay for these people themselves via their hard-earned tax dollars.

Who said conservatives don't like welfare? Ha!

LOL. Dude the deadline was set by Obama, the prices are unaffordable is set by Obama, 5,000,000+ getting cancelation letters is because of Obama. But it's the repubs fault. Hahah good one.

Arkie
12-23-2013, 06:24 AM
Study Finds Hitler Killed Off Three Times More People Than Stalin.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-26-2013, 11:25 AM
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