Welcome to Deadwood, C%@k**$u#er

[baja]

If you like the Soprano's you're gonna love Deadwood - great dialog even better acting and characters.



My new favorite!!!

[TheManeMan]

I enjoyed it as well...but, I definately like Sopranos more...

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If you like the Soprano's you're gonna love Deadwood - great dialog even better acting and characters.



My new favorite!!!

I liked it, too.

Not enough g****** m************ c********** cursing for me, though.

:cuss:

[baja]

Bet this show becomes a raging hit!

[Tredici]

Good dialogue?

I thought the writers took the easy way out every time. It was brainless cursing that got so repetitive it became a joke. Like counting the number of times the F-Bomb was used in Scarface. Would be a great show to watch for tossing back shots though.

Personally, I doubt it makes it.

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The dialogue between the cursing was good, g*******. You should give it another f****** chance.

Its going to be popular.

[Tredici]

Well that's just one c**ksu**ers opinion...

[baja]

I bet they tone down the language - it served it's purpose as a shock factor but will get old fast.

I like the character of the saloon owner, Wild Bill and the sheriff turned store keep.

I do hope the have better story development mow that they have introduced a cast of characters.

[Sodak]

I worked in Deadwood in the late '80's when gambling was "legalized". I bartended in a casino next to the Number 10 Saloon where Wild Bill was shot. The bouncer of the #10 at the time, "Red", always wore a bullett proof vest. Inbredwood is a much more appropriate name for the town. Once you've met the locals, I think most would agree.

[clarker]

I worked in Deadwood in the late '80's when gambling was "legalized". I bartended in a casino next to the Number 10 Saloon where Wild Bill was shot. The bouncer of the #10 at the time, "Red", always wore a bullett proof vest. Inbredwood is a much more appropriate name for the town. Once you've met the locals, I think most would agree.You use to work at the number 10, cool. I use to drink there. I am from South Dakota there as well. I know lots of people who work in Deadwood. It can be fun town to party in. The Deadwood Jam is always fun.

[orange crusher]

Greetings current and former South Dakotan's. :welcome:

SoDak, was "Red" the guy that was about 6'11"? He used to be a fixture in the #10.

[clarker]

I remember that guy. Although I didn't hang there much. My buddies were back jack dealers at the Gold Dust.

[Sodak]

Greetings current and former South Dakotan's. :welcome:

SoDak, was "Red" the guy that was about 6'11"? He used to be a fixture in
the #10.


And greetings to you.

Red was a little guy with a big mouth. Looked like a biker, with red hair. That's why he wore the vest. The little man complex made him few friends, nobody messed with him though, a little too crazy...

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Caution: Spoilers

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Well, I guess anyone who was familiar with the history knew Wild Bill was going to get it, but I must say I didn't expect it to happen in the fourth episode. I'll miss the character. I figured they would keep him around for most of the first season anyway.

I love that avatar, Baja.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=49&dateline=1080664872

If there's one thing I envy about Al Swearengen, its that he has an underling as loyal as Dan to do his bidding. If I only had a flunky who would pitch a dandified city boy off a creek ridge to his death at my whim, who knows what I might accomplish?

[Pezman]

Good dialogue?

I thought the writers took the easy way out every time. It was brainless cursing that got so repetitive it became a joke. Like counting the number of times the F-Bomb was used in Scarface. Would be a great show to watch for tossing back shots though.

Personally, I doubt it makes it.

Sorry Tred, they have already ordered a new season for the show. I think its fresh myself. If only they would make more shows like this, I'd watch TV more often. Gotta love HBO

[Rock Chalk]

Ihavent watched it.

But then again, I dont watch a lot of movie channel stuff unless its a movie.

Thats why I get a MOVIE channel...to watch MOVIES.

Not "fresh" new drama series'.

Remember when HBO was a movie channel?

Though I do sorely miss Fraggle Rock.

[B-Love]

Caution: Spoilers

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Well, I guess anyone who was familiar with the history knew Wild Bill was going to get it, but I must say I didn't expect it to happen in the fourth episode. I'll miss the character. I figured they would keep him around for most of the first season anyway.

I love that avatar, Baja.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=49&dateline=1080664872

If there's one thing I envy about Al Swearengen, its that he has an underling as loyal as Dan to do his bidding. If I only had a flunky who would pitch a dandified city boy off a creek ridge to his death at my whim, who knows what I might accomplish?

Totally bummed there too Slap. "Hey Montana" LMAO.

I wonder if the town folk will off Jack before Calamity Jane gets to him first.

Alec, you're making no impression on anyone with your last post. Your rigid TV rules are depriving you and only you. Get HBO; it rules.

Sunday Night HBO is worth the monthly fee alone.

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Totally bummed there too Slap. "Hey Montana" LMAO.

I wonder if the town folk will off Jack before Calamity Jane gets to him first.

Alec, you're making no impression on anyone with your last post. Your rigid TV rules are depriving you and only you. Get HBO; it rules.

Sunday Night HBO is worth the monthly fee alone.

I was keeping a list of all the things that Alec dismisses and hates on sight, but I quit when I realized it was just about everything.

[Rock Chalk]

I was keeping a list of all the things that Alec dismisses and hates on sight, but I quit when I realized it was just about everything.

:pity:

Do I really come off like that?

And B-Love, I do have HBO.

[B-Love]

Oh, OK, I misinterpreted it.

Give the Sunday lineup a chance. You'll be hooked. There's no way around it. Best night of TV IMO.

[B-Love]

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/cast/

Here's the Deadwood cast page. If you've missed it, you've only missed 4 episodes so far, and the web site can catch you up.

[Old Dude]

I dropped about $450 playing blackjack in Deadwood one evening last summer, then won all but $10 of it back in the last 20 minutes.

Felt like I dodged a bullet in Deadwood, even if Wild Bill didn't.

[Rock Chalk]

Oh, OK, I misinterpreted it.

Give the Sunday lineup a chance. You'll be hooked. There's no way around it. Best night of TV IMO.

Oh its on Sunday's? I dont watch anything on Sunday's except the re-run of Star Trek Enterprise if I missed it on Wednesday (which I did this week. T'Pol banged Trip and then basically told him she used him to experience human sexuality. Good! T'Pol is MY sweetie, Trip better keep his hands off!).

Sunday is my video game day (after Church that is) in the offseason.

[BroncoMatt]

I spent my 21st birthday in Deadwood. Great night, had dinner, drank alot, gambled all night, left down only $4. Hell I tipped the waitress more than that.

[Pezman]

I love the character of Calamity Jane. The F-bombs and C-bombs she lays out on that show just crack me up. But Al Swengaran (sp) is just one complex, bad-ass dude. He's got that brutality about him that is just so hardcore. I'm not sure, but I bet that he is one of the fictional characters on the show and not one of the historical figures who make apperances.

Looking forward to next week already...

[baja]

I knew Deadwood would catch on and it's going to get better - I missed Sunday's installment and now I learn here that one of my favorite characters got killed off - Damn, it was only after it was too late that i saw Slap's warning. Double damn!

[B-Love]

I love the character of Calamity Jane. The F-bombs and C-bombs she lays out on that show just crack me up. But Al Swengaran (sp) is just one complex, bad-ass dude. He's got that brutality about him that is just so hardcore. I'm not sure, but I bet that he is one of the fictional characters on the show and not one of the historical figures who make apperances.

Looking forward to next week already...

Right on Pez, Al Swearengen has it all.

Leather like weathered face with just enough facial hair, commercial voice-over gruffy voice, classic stare down abilities, Charlie Manson eyes, scars etc.

Perfect casting. Bad ass all the way.

From last nights episode, he hits that ***** hard too.

[Sodak]

All my favorite shows are just soap operas for men. -which is a little disturbing, but the networks don't have sh*t.

Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Carnivale, Deadwood...

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I knew Deadwood would catch on and it's going to get better - I missed Sunday's installment and now I learn here that one of my favorite characters got killed off - Damn, it was only after it was too late that i saw Slap's warning. Double damn!

Baja, I'm sorry about that, man.

:-/

[-Slap-]

I love the character of Calamity Jane. The F-bombs and C-bombs she lays out on that show just crack me up. But Al Swengaran (sp) is just one complex, bad-ass dude. He's got that brutality about him that is just so hardcore. I'm not sure, but I bet that he is one of the fictional characters on the show and not one of the historical figures who make apperances.

Looking forward to next week already...


There was a real Al Swearengen.

He was a nasty piece of business, too. (http://adamsmuseumandhouse.org/answers/alswerengen.html)

[baja]

Baja, I'm sorry about that, man.

:-/

That's OK Slap you put the warning in I just missed it.

[Pezman]

There was a real Al Swearengen.

He was a nasty piece of business, too. (http://adamsmuseumandhouse.org/answers/alswerengen.html)

Thanks for the linkies Slap. That made for some great reading! If they intend to do half the things that the real Swearengen did in real life... we'll have one serious death count soon methinks.
We've been built up thoroughly to hate Al and have been shown that in the absence of real authority, he's got the most bite of any dog in town.

The Gem Theater was a "Notorious Den of Iniquity"... sounds like a fun dive eh? And don't forget, p***y is 1/2 price for the next 15 minutes LOL

[Old Dude]

Just wondering ....

Historically, Wyatt & Morgan Earp visited Deadwood in late 1876. Morgan wasn't there long, but Wyatt stayed throughout the winter, got involved in some of the local gambling, made (possibly) a brief and unsuccessful play for the Sheriff, and wound up making a good deal of money as a firewood salesman. (Wyatt is buried in Deadwood)

I don't see how the writers could resist working the Earps into the show, but so far, no word about that at all, and no indication I can find that anyone has been cast for teh part.

Anyone know anything?

Edit: The actor would have to be someone fairly young, because Wyatt would only have been about 28 at the time. (and the Tombstone shootout happened about 3 or 4 years later).

[clarker]

Wyatt Earp is not buried in Deadwood. Wild Bill Hickcock is, but Wyatt Earp is not.

[clarker]

Wyatt Earp ashes were spread in California.

http://www.desertusa.com/mag98/mar/papr/du_earp.html

[Old Dude]

Wyatt Earp ashes were spread in California.

http://www.desertusa.com/mag98/mar/papr/du_earp.html

I'm sorry. You are correct.

http://www.oldwestlibrary.com/media/wyattgrave.gif

Colma, CA.

[clarker]

No big deal. I was born in the real Deadwood and live about 25-30 miles north of it, btw.

[RhymesayersDU]

I really enjoy Deadwood... The only problem is, after the Sopranos, which captivates me for an hour (which always seems like 10 minutes), I can't sit still and watch Deadwood. I'll catch the re-play this week though.

[Old Dude]

No big deal. I was born in the real Deadwood and live about 25-30 miles north of it, btw.

Cool! I'm hoping to retire in that area in a few years. Spearfish, probably.

We'll be up there on vacation in late July. Any tips on places to see?

[clarker]

All around Spearfish and Deadwood is very nice. Mt. Rushmoore is a must and so is Crazy Horse. Crazy Horse is huge. You can put Mt. Rushmoore in Crazy Horses' hair line or the so the tour says.

Custer(sp?) State Park is nice.

There is so many places that are great to see, if you into history.

As for retiring in this area, you can't go wrong with Spearfish. It has to be the nicest town in western South Dakota.

[Old Dude]

My father & mother-in -laws moved to Spearfish about 4 years ago, and last year was the first time we were able to make it out to see them.

After a long drive, we spend the first late afternoon/early evening at the park by the federal fish hatchery.

Day 2, we stopped in to see the Crystal Cave, then took the young one to a storybook park in Rapid City, then to the Reptile Gardens. Wanted to see Cosmos, but never got there.

Day 3, we went west to check out Devil's Tower in Wyo. Got back to town late and did a little shopping.

Spent the 4th of July in Lead, where father-in-law had a wild west gig. Saw the remnants of the huge mine there.

Then spent a day in the Badlands, which were awesome. Walls Drug was a letdown, though. Worst tourist trap I ever saw.

Day six we went through Bear Country, USA, and then to Rushmore. Then spent a few hours that evening gambling in Deadwood. (Didn't get a chance to see any of the museums, though.) Did manage to break even at blackjack.

Day seven, started home, but took our time going through Spearfish Canyon. Got some great pictures by one of the waterfalls.

Did not get down to see Crazy Horse or any part of Custer Park. This year, we're taking a different route (from Colo. to Nebraska, then North) so we should be able to see more of the southern side of the state. I'm hoping to spend more time in Deadwood, and do more looking around there before we hit the tables.

Counting down the days ...

[clarker]

Sounds like you had a great trip. You should really take the time to see Crazy Horse, it is well worth it.

The horse is not done or his arm, but his face is almost done. You can clearly see what it is. The nose, eyes, lipps and part of his hair are all done.

I really think it is worth seeing.

Clarker

[Spider]

Working nights , I didnt get to see an episode of Deadwood .....Didnt even know it was a HBO series .......

[Spider]

Sounds like you had a great trip. You should really take the time to see Crazy Horse, it is well worth it.

The horse is not done or his arm, but his face is almost done. You can clearly see what it is. The nose, eyes, lipps and part of his hair are all done.

I really think it is worth seeing.

Clarker
cool Last time I was there , they still had a long ways to go ....... Should be awesome when they are done

[TheManeMan]

last nights episode was one of the better ones I must say...even though nobody died....only 3 episodes left...

[Pezman]

Just wondering ....

Historically, Wyatt & Morgan Earp visited Deadwood in late 1876. Morgan wasn't there long, but Wyatt stayed throughout the winter, got involved in some of the local gambling, made (possibly) a brief and unsuccessful play for the Sheriff, and wound up making a good deal of money as a firewood salesman. (Wyatt is buried in Deadwood)

I don't see how the writers could resist working the Earps into the show, but so far, no word about that at all, and no indication I can find that anyone has been cast for teh part.

Anyone know anything?

Edit: The actor would have to be someone fairly young, because Wyatt would only have been about 28 at the time. (and the Tombstone shootout happened about 3 or 4 years later).

As for the Earp family, you can count on them being there next season. As for where we are in the series after 8 episodes, I believe we are approximately 2-3 weeks after Wild Bill's death. I posted the following on the IMDB board about what happens to the preacher in real life..

Spoilers ahead!!!



I have a feeling that we have seen the last few days of the preacher Henry Weston Smith. I like the character and again am surpised at how quickly they seem to be disposing of secondary historical figures from Deadwood. I wonder if they were writing the series thinking that it would just be one season or a mini-series ala Band Of Brothers. But now that its been picked up for a second season, I'd expect they will string out the storylines a little longer next season.
As for Preacher Smith, he died via a mysterious murder according to this website.

http://www.gcah.org/Heritage_Landmarks/Deadwood.htm

Smith became a Methodist preacher at the age of 23. In 1861 he enlisted in the 52nd Massachusetts Infantry; after the war, he became a doctor and moved to Louisville, Kentucky with his wife, Lydia Ann Joslin, and their four children.

Early in 1876, Smith left his home and family to join a party of "gold hunters" bound for the Black Hills. He wanted to bring the gospel to the gold mines, and he was the first preacher of any denomination to go to the Black Hills' camps.

In May, Smith reached Deadwood, a cluster of shanties and cabins housing some three or four thousand people. Smith worked to support himself, cutting timber, building cabins, and working as a fireman in a sawmill. On Sundays, however, he preached to the miners on Deadwood's main (and only) street, and in other mining camps.

After his Sunday morning service on August 20, 1876, Smith put a note on his cabin door:"Gone to Crook City, be back at 2 p.m." He never returned: Preacher Smith was murdered as he walked the ten miles to Crook City. He was found clutching his Bible and the blood-stained notes for the sermon he had planned to preach.

Smith may have been murdered by one of the many lawless whites in the area or by a Sioux Indian, part of the aftermath of the Battle of Little Big Horn just a few weeks before.

Smith had not been formally appointed by his church; rather, he had followed his own call to the Dakotas. In 1878, the Methodist Episcopal Church did send a missionary, James Williams, to the Deadwood area. Williams was able to organize a Methodist Society, and on March 4, 1883, First Church, Deadwood, the Mother Church of the Black Hills, was dedicated. The brand-new sanctuary was destroyed in a flood two and a half months later, but some of the furnishings were saved. A new site was selected on higher ground, and a new building was dedicated on May 12, 1885. It is still in use, having been remodeled several times.

[TheManeMan]

interesting Pezman...hmmm...Have they announced a second season yet?

[Old Dude]

last nights episode was one of the better ones I must say...

Not a lot of action (violence), but lots of plot development.

I hope we haven't seen the last of Calamity Jane.

[Old Dude]

interesting Pezman...hmmm...Have they announced a second season yet?

Yup. They gave the green light just two episodes in.

Edit: Great site, BTW: http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/

[Pezman]

I'm glad it will be back for a second season. As for Calamity Jane, she still has a big role to play on the show so, sooner or later she'll be back yelling obscenities and sleeping standing up against walls.
I still wonder when Al is going to turn more evil again. It seems like they are softening his character up these days. But I wouldn't be suprised to see them pull the rug from under us and turn him more vicious than ever.

What did y'all think of the killing of Flora and Miles? I was just stunned at the brutality of it. I love HBO

[TheManeMan]

Not a lot of action (violence), but lots of plot development.

I hope we haven't seen the last of Calamity Jane.


right on point...plot development for the final 3 episodes...as for Jane...I really think she's the one that makes me laugh the most watching the show...Al Swearengen is 2nd i'd say...


What about EB nominating himself as "Mayor?" I cant believe nobody said anything about it...and I really think that Bullock will get it on with Mrs. Garret soon...

[Old Dude]

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I still wonder when Al is going to turn more evil again. It seems like they are softening his character up these days. But I wouldn't be suprised to see them pull the rug from under us and turn him more vicious than ever.

What did y'all think of the killing of Flora and Miles? I was just stunned at the brutality of it. I love HBO

It's not like Al really stopped being evil. He's just less impulsive and more diabolic than our usual cinematic villain. And he's also funny as hell. I figure he'll do something rotten the moment it suits his plans.

I guess the graphic beating & execution of Flora & Miles really upset a lot of people. I think it was a little bit like Hitchcock's Psycho. The tension was really worse than the visuals. People's imaginations fill in the blanks. To this day, a lot of people swear they saw the knife going in during the shower scene. I think it's a little similar with the kids in Deadwood. The atmosphere surrounding and building up to the violence was pretty intense. Frankly, I thought it was well-done.

[Old Dude]

right on point...plot development for the final 3 episodes...as for Jane...I really think she's the one that makes me laugh the most watching the show...Al Swearengen is 2nd i'd say...


What about EB nominating himself as "Mayor?" I cant believe nobody said anything about it......

I think EB would make a perfect Mayor. :) He's got to be the single greediest character I've seen on TV in a long, long time.

[Pezman]

It's not like Al really stopped being evil. He's just less impulsive and more diabolic than our usual cinematic villain. And he's also funny as hell. I figure he'll do something rotten the moment it suits his plans.

I guess the graphic beating & execution of Flora & Miles really upset a lot of people. I think it was a little bit like Hitchcock's Psycho. The tension was really worse than the visuals. People's imaginations fill in the blanks. To this day, a lot of people swear they saw the knife going in during the shower scene. I think it's a little similar with the kids in Deadwood. The atmosphere surrounding and building up to the violence was pretty intense. Frankly, I thought it was well-done.

As for Al, I still think they are buttering us up. Those poor C**k*uck*r hoopleheads who cut the cheese in Deadwood better watch out for ol' Al! LOL

As for Flora and Miles, I was just suprised at how quick they offed them from the show. And man, did they make Powers Booth's Cy Tolliver just ooze evil after that shooting.

Seeing Flora's bonnet and clothes in Mr. Woo's pigpen was jaw-dropping funny. Mmmm late night vittles...My god, I swear I will never go to a pig farm ever again LMFAO.

As for EB becoming Ad Hoc mayor... all I can say is... “That's what the 'B' in E.B. Farnum stands for ..."
"Bold.”

[Old Dude]

I also loved the piano music. The Gem saloon is gonna swing!

[Pezman]

I still half expect Cy Tolliver to just stand up one of these days and yell out "I feel..... Capital!" ha! Wouldn't it be great if they could get Kurt Russel to reprise his role of Wyatt? That would be a hoot

[Old Dude]

Russell is great, but he's too old now.

I'm really wondering how they're going to play this one. The three guys I think of when it come to Wyatt Earp are Hugh O'Brien (who played him in the old 60's TV show), Russell & Costner.

It's pretty well established that Wyatt was the beneficiary of some very good press & Hollywood PR, and that he wasn't as squeaky clean as most portrayals suggest. I wouldn't be surprised to see him portrayed as a more nasty character in Deadwood, although, by all accounts, he didn't really get into any serious trouble there. There are some stories that suggest he had a short rivalry with Bullock, so that should be interesting.

Also, Bat Masterson and Doc Holliday were guys who were in the general vicinity at some point, so they might make brief appearances as well.

The writers have said, point blank, that they aren't sticking to historical accuracy, so almost anything is possible.

Speaking of historical accuracy, or lack thereof, here's Doris Day as Calamity Jane:

http://www.dorisday.net/Fillm_List/fillm_list_files/calamity_stage.jpg



Wild Bill (played by Guy Madison), and his sidekick, "Jingles."

http://grannygrafix.tripod.com/grannyg/fiftiestv/wild-bill.jpg

Hugh O'Brien as Wyatt Earp:

http://www.cowboyparts.com/misc/obrian1t.jpg

[TheManeMan]

Old Dude...are those pictures from an older version of Deadwood or from another movie??...if so, please let me know the title of the movie...thanks...

[Old Dude]

The Calamity Jane pic is from a Doris Day musical in the late 50's.

The Hickock picture is from a TV show, circa '58.

The Earp pic is also from a TV series that ran in the late 50's/early 60s.
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The lyrics to the Earp TV show:

I'll tell you a story
A real true life story
A tale of the Western frontier

The West it was lawless
But one man was flawless
And his is the story you'll hear.

CHORUS
Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, brave courageous and bold.
Long live his fame and long live his glory
And long may his story be told.

He came to Kansas
To settle in Kansas
He planned on a peaceable life.

Some goods and some chattel
A few head of cattle
A home and a sweet loving wife.

CHORUS
Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, brave courageous and bold.
Long live his fame and long live his glory
And long may his story be told.

He wasn't partial
To being a marshal
But fate went and dealt him his hand.
While outlaws were lootin
And killin' and shootin'
He knew that he must take a stand.

CHORUS
Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, brave courageous and bold.
Long live his fame and long live his glory
And long may his story be told.

He cleaned up the country
The Old Wild West country
He made law and order prevail
ANd none can deny it
The legend of Wyatt
Forever will live on the trail.

CHORUS
Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, brave courageous and bold.
Long live his fame and long live his glory
And long may his story be told.

[TheManeMan]

Oh wow...so those pictures were from a long long time ago then huh;D...thanks for the info...

[Riddi]

is wild bill....Billy the Kid...is that what the show is about..I missed the first three episodes so I'm waiting until they repeat...

[Sodak]

The best part about Deadwood is the all you can eat crab legs on Fri. nights...

[elwayrulzs]

I think Deadwood has surpassed the Sapronos this season. Dont get me wrong I still watch the Sapronos, but I cant wait for Deadwood to come on.

[Old Dude]

Okay, a little poll. What character is least likely to make it through the first season alive. (2 more episodes)

Rev. Smith .... 87% (but I've got a strange feeling it won't be the brain tumor that takes him)

Eddie Sawyer .... 7% (playing with fire)

Cy Tolliver .... 4% (accumulating enemies)

Joanie Stubbs ... 1% (risky business)

Wu .... 1% (reprisals are also risky business)

[Pezman]

well, considering that I know what happens to the Rev. I can't comment... unless you want spoilers...
Eddie will be my vote. Considering that he's messing with Cy, I'd say he's a goner....However, Wu very easily could be fed to his own pigs before the end as well...

[TheManeMan]

I vote for Hu...he should be the next one that gets it...yesterday's show was one of the better ones in my opinion...Al makes me laugh and Hu saying c0****cka! over and over...anyway, cant wait for the next episode in 2 weeks...

[-Slap-]

Best episode since they capped Wild Bill.

:yep:

[Breck Bronc]

They sure packed a lot of action into the finale.

I'm happy that I won't have to see any more of the Reverend in upcoming seasons, unless Deadwood has a dream sequence that rivals The Sopranos. That guy was annoying as hell whenever he was on the screen. I did like when he kept going into the Gem to listen to the piano, against Al's orders Hilarious! . Otherwise, bleh.

You had to know that Alma Garrett wanted a piece of Seth Bullock for many episodes in the past few weeks. I thought Alma was going to get down with Joannie from the Bella Union until Seth arrived to throw a leg into her. At least Joannie knew not to cock block.

I don't watch Six Feet Under, so I really missed my two hours of The Sopranos followed by Deadwood. Now I'll have to do something productive on Sunday nights. No football, hockey, or HBO. What the hell am I supposed to do?

[Old Dude]

Season 2 begins tonight.

[RhymesayersDU]

Holy ****, that owns. I know what I'm watching tonight.

[TheManeMan]

Season 2 begins tonight.

I cant F'N wait....

http://www.hbo.com/img/homepage/features/_deadwood/dw_season02_poster_378x360.jpg

[TheManeMan]

SEASON TWO Premieres 9 pm Sunday...THE WAIT IS FINALLY OVER...:militia:

http://www.hbo.com/img/homepage/features/_deadwood/dw_season02_poster_378x360.jpg

[Sodak]

SEASON TWO Premieres 9 pm Sunday...THE WAIT IS FINALLY OVER...:militia:

http://www.hbo.com/img/homepage/features/_deadwood/dw_season02_poster_378x360.jpg

Yep, I came back from Las Vegas early so I wouldn't miss the season premier. God I'm pathetic... :boohoo:

[Atlas]

I worked in Deadwood in the late '80's when gambling was "legalized". I bartended in a casino next to the Number 10 Saloon where Wild Bill was shot. The bouncer of the #10 at the time, "Red", always wore a bullett proof vest. Inbredwood is a much more appropriate name for the town. Once you've met the locals, I think most would agree.

HAHA I was a drunk, gambler always getting tossed out of the #10 in the late 80's early 90's. Maybe we have met!!!

Are you sure your not talking about Lead?

Lead is the West Virginia of South Dakota.

[Atlas]

I love the series. I bought the whole first season on DVD.



People don't like the swearing but it's very realistic. You have to understand all the people that would wagon train across Indian Territory to get to Deadwood probably weren't the most educated people. You'll also know that the most educated people in the show don't swear. The only people that swear are the roughnecks.

Calamity Jane is great. Too bad Wild Bill was killed in only episode 4!!

[Sodak]

Lead is the West Virginia of South Dakota.

Didn't we go to school together? RC Central Class of '86. Did you know Randy Beebe?

Yes, Lead is West Virginia without the dumb accent.

[Atlas]

Right on Pez, Al Swearengen has it all.

Leather like weathered face with just enough facial hair, commercial voice-over gruffy voice, classic stare down abilities, Charlie Manson eyes, scars etc.

Perfect casting. Bad ass all the way.

From last nights episode, he hits that ***** hard too.

All that plus he always has sex with his PJs still on and he is always peeing in that coffee can when you see him!!

[Breck Bronc]

Looks like I'm going to have to bittorent this season. I didn't realize the second season was starting already. I got rid of my HBO and won't pay for it again until the Sopranos come back in 2006.

[big56fan#1]

I have on demand from comcast so i watched the 1st season twice in a week cuz the show is so awsome. Cant wait for season 2. :woowoo:

[Atlas]

Just wondering ....

Historically, Wyatt & Morgan Earp visited Deadwood in late 1876. Morgan wasn't there long, but Wyatt stayed throughout the winter, got involved in some of the local gambling, made (possibly) a brief and unsuccessful play for the Sheriff, and wound up making a good deal of money as a firewood salesman. (Wyatt is buried in Deadwood)

I don't see how the writers could resist working the Earps into the show, but so far, no word about that at all, and no indication I can find that anyone has been cast for teh part.

Anyone know anything?

Edit: The actor would have to be someone fairly young, because Wyatt would only have been about 28 at the time. (and the Tombstone shootout happened about 3 or 4 years later).

I found this

Allen Barra
Wyatt Earp vs. Seth Bullock
Sun Feb 20, 2005 14:21
152.163.101.8



Last fall I interviewed David Milch for a story that was to appear in True West. For various reasons, I never got to finish the story. It was eventually written by my good friend Henry Cabot Beck, and it’s in the current issue. I wasn’t going to say anything about this until the story had been out for a few weeks, but I guess it’s okay now to divulge the source of Milch’s upcoming scripts where Wyatt Earp meets Seth Bullock (and, by the way, I was told that Wyatt won’t be making his appearance until the third season, not this year as some have said).

I’m afraid that the whole episode is a bit disappointing. It’s all from a manuscript by Kenneth C. Kellar, soon to be available in book form, who was Bullock’s grandson. Here’s the entire passage:

“Bullock officially became sheriff of Deadwood in 1877 a described in the next chapter. One of his first acts involved a confrontation with the renowned Wyatt Earp. The latter had put in an appearance in Deadwood Gulch no doubt induced by the possibility of being selected as the man to bring la and order to that mining camp following the nationwide publicity over the assassination of Wild Bill Hickok. Bullock informed Earp that the job was already filled and that he might as well move on, as there was no need for his services. Earp followed this suggestion and left the clean-up of deadwood to Bullock.”

[Atlas]

Didn't we go to school together? RC Central Class of '86. Did you know Randy Beebe?

Yes, Lead is West Virginia without the dumb accent.

I was class of '88. I don't remember any Beebe.

[Sodak]

I was class of '88. I don't remember any Beebe.

My wife was class of '88. Stevens.

[Atlas]

My wife was class of '88. Stevens.


Rich girl huh(smile)

[Old Dude]

Calamity Jane is back!

One of the best reintroductions ever.

"&$#@$#$"

[Old Dude]

Cy & friends size up the latest batch of free agents:

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/episodeguide/season02/ep13_cy_girls.jpg

[TheManeMan]

Calamity Jane is back!

One of the best reintroductions ever.

"&$#@$#$"


C**ksuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pezman]

I thought the opener to the second season was good, not great. Sometimes the feeling of reintroducing storylines (especially ones that are almost 8 months old since they are now in Spring 1877) felt a bit cumbersome but at least they didnt dumb it down by reintroducing every damn character.

I am a bit suprised that they moved that far ahead and I guess the hopes of seeing Wyatt Earp show up to try and take over as sheriff will not be historically accurate since it happened in the fall of '76... But then again, the show isnt full-blown historical accounts anyway so, maybe they will introduce him later on mayhaps...

I am entertained!

[TheManeMan]

Swearengen got beat down last night...

[sirhcyennek81]

first time i saw deadwood was last night. then i saw the second season premier. i watched about 70 minutes of deadwood. heard c*****cker 13 times. beautiful.

[-Slap-]

Swearengen got beat down last night...

You had to know Bullock would win. He's younger, he's fitter and he swills less rotgut. He also has that berserker rage thing going for him, but they pitched over the balcony before he could get really pissed off and unload one of his patented 18 punch combos.

[Atlas]

You had to know Bullock would win. He's younger, he's fitter and he swills less rotgut. He also has that berserker rage thing going for him, but they pitched over the balcony before he could get really pissed off and unload one of his patented 18 punch combos.

How about when Bullock beat up that girls father and he was laying on the floor spitting up teeth.... That was great... That's the kind of realistic violence you only see on the Sopranos.. Now Deadwood. Gotta love HBO.

[-Slap-]

How about when Bullock beat up that girls father and he was laying on the floor spitting up teeth.... That was great... That's the kind of realistic violence you only see on the Sopranos.. Now Deadwood. Gotta love HBO.

You know what was great about that scene, and most of the fights on Deadwood in general? The punches sounded realistic. They sound like a fist hitting someone's flesh. The punches in most movie fights sound like someone slapping a leather sofa with a ping pong paddle. They had the paddles out for the fight last night.

[sirhcyennek81]

falling 25 feet off a balcony sounded realistic.

[-Slap-]

falling 25 feet off a balcony sounded realistic.

Couldn't tell you. I don't remember a thing from the last time it happened to me.

Realistically, that fall should have crippled Swearengen because Bullock landed right on top of him. Maybe the mud and horse**** was a little deeper right in that spot.

[Atlas]

You know what was great about that scene, and most of the fights on Deadwood in general? The punches sounded realistic. They sound like a fist hitting someone's flesh. The punches in most movie fights sound like someone slapping a leather sofa with a ping pong paddle. They had the paddles out for the fight last night.

They also don't last long. The average fight in real life lasts about 20 seconds. In Deadwood they usually last 15 seconds or until someone is dead. Most movies you see these fist fights that last 3 or 4 minutes. That's BS. Sopranos and Deadwood the fights are very short and very violent.

Bullock had that guy on the ground and was beating him for about 15 seconds but it seemed like it was hours.

[-Slap-]

They also don't last long. The average fight in real life lasts about 20 seconds. In Deadwood they usually last 15 seconds or until someone is dead. Most movies you see these fist fights that last 3 or 4 minutes. That's BS. Sopranos and Deadwood the fights are very short and very violent.

Bullock had that guy on the ground and was beating him for about 15 seconds but it seemed like it was hours.

That is so true. Most bar fights are over in a matter of seconds and its usually a big, fat c*****cker who wins.

[Rausch]

falling 25 feet off a balcony sounded realistic.

Winter of 95 and 97. Both times, backwards, off a 16 foot deck.

You might think "What the **** was this clueless b@st@rd taking to do this TWO times!?!"

Look at the years. It'll come to you...

[Rock Chalk]

Old Dude has been raving about this show since its beginning (even named his FF team Swearengen's Hoopleheads) and on his advice I watched an episode.

Swearengen himself is rather imposing and ominous and portrays that well but, like Tredici previously mentioned, I found myself more interested in how many times I heard the word c*****cker, and conversely compared it to how many times I heard the phrase mother f*cker. Whatever plot that may have been hidden amidst that raccous cacophony of cussing was overshadowed by the fact that I no longer cared.

From what I have gathered from those that seem to be able to look passed the incessant foul language (I mean, they cuss more than me and I cuss way too much) its about this guy in this western town and he is a bad ass and other bad asses come in to town and sh*t gets f*cked up because some c*****cker stole some g*d damned money from some mother f*cking c*****cking bartender.

Fan f*cking tastic.

[Rausch]

Old Dude has been raving about this show since its beginning (even named his FF team Swearengen's Hoopleheads) and on his advice I watched an episode.

Swearengen himself is rather imposing and ominous and portrays that well but, like Tredici previously mentioned, I found myself more interested in how many times I heard the word c*****cker, and conversely compared it to how many times I heard the phrase mother f*cker. Whatever plot that may have been hidden amidst that raccous cacophony of cussing was overshadowed by the fact that I no longer cared.

From what I have gathered from those that seem to be able to look passed the incessant foul language (I mean, they cuss more than me and I cuss way too much) its about this guy in this western town and he is a bad ass and other bad asses come in to town and sh*t gets f*cked up because some c*****cker stole some g*d damned money from some mother f*cking c*****cking bartender.

Fan f*cking tastic.

Pretty much.

I was more turned off by the main-liner semi-hot chick with full-0n fuzzy pits...I mean, good-LAWD!

ugh!~

[Atlas]

Old Dude has been raving about this show since its beginning (even named his FF team Swearengen's Hoopleheads) and on his advice I watched an episode.

Swearengen himself is rather imposing and ominous and portrays that well but, like Tredici previously mentioned, I found myself more interested in how many times I heard the word c*****cker, and conversely compared it to how many times I heard the phrase mother f*cker. Whatever plot that may have been hidden amidst that raccous cacophony of cussing was overshadowed by the fact that I no longer cared.

From what I have gathered from those that seem to be able to look passed the incessant foul language (I mean, they cuss more than me and I cuss way too much) its about this guy in this western town and he is a bad ass and other bad asses come in to town and sh*t gets f*cked up because some c*****cker stole some g*d damned money from some mother f*cking c*****cking bartender.

Fan f*cking tastic.

Alot of people don't like it because of the swearing. Mining towns were like this and Deadwood was the worst. There was no law and every scoundral and lowlife in the region made his way to deadwood. You'll notice that the educated ones are civil but that's about it. I loved it whjen Calamity Jane called some girl a Pucking Punt in her loveley backward accent she has. But that is just me. Some people don't like it. The Sopranos was the same way. I remember counting 45 F bombs in a 54 minute episode.

[sirhcyennek81]

I dig the show. Language shocked me a bit, but i cant picture it without it. good show. cant wait for the shield to come on.

[Rock Chalk]

Well I missed the whole Soprano craze too.

And its not that I mind cussing, but when it becomes a distraction to the show then its not worth watching.

[-Slap-]

Cussing rules.

[keg in kc]

Oh yeah, the Shield next week.

The language doesn't faze me a bit. I think it's more reflective of real life than vanilla network shows. And hey...nudity!

I only started getting into all these HBO shows in the last year and a half, though. Thank god for HBO on demand running them all from the beginning.

[Rausch]

Cussing rules.

Only if it's done in a creative and unusual way...

[Pezman]

Ok, I have a bet with the wifey... being a Star Trek geek, I swore up and down that the new older whore who was introduced last night as Joanie's cohort was the Borg Queen in one of the Star Trek movies... am I wrong?

[keg in kc]

You're right. Alice Krige is her name, she was in First Contact.


Uhm. So I heard. From the geek next door.

[Rausch]

Ok, I have a bet with the wifey... being a Star Trek geek, I swore up and down that the new older whore who was introduced last night as Joanie's cohort was the Borg Queen in one of the Star Trek movies... am I wrong?


Can I take rep back?...

[Pezman]

Awesome, (Unzips) oh wifey, time to cash in my bet... ROFL!

[-Slap-]

Only if it's done in a creative and unusual way...

I'm more of a purist.

[Old Dude]

God help me, I was rooting for Al during the fight. He tried to avoid it at the last moment, but Bullock was too P.O.'d. And I thought Al did a pretty good job of hanging with a guy 20 years his junior. Too bad he landed on the bottom.

After Dority's intervention, Al could easily have killed Seth, but was "unmanned" by the cow-eyed youth.

Seth was obviously dealing with a concussion for the remainer of the episode.

Frankly, he had it coming.

I thought Johnny Burns (sic) was great too. Shooting people left and right and feeling horrified by it.

I'm even starting to like Dan Dority.

Cy is turning into the real blackguard of the show. I hope he sticks around for awhile.

[Spider]

After reading some of the Post here ...... I may have to watch that show ......
Alot of History Wyoimng S. Dakota ...... I love going to different historical places here in Wyoming Where Progress hasnt touched ...........http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/
I use this as a guide alot .........

[Pezman]

God help me, I was rooting for Al during the fight. He tried to avoid it at the last moment, but Bullock was too P.O.'d. And I thought Al did a pretty good job of hanging with a guy 20 years his junior. Too bad he landed on the bottom.

After Dority's intervention, Al could easily have killed Seth, but was "unmanned" by the cow-eyed youth.

Seth was obviously dealing with a concussion for the remainer of the episode.

Frankly, he had it coming.

I thought Johnny Burns (sic) was great too. Shooting people left and right and feeling horrified by it.

I'm even starting to like Dan Dority.

Cy is turning into the real blackguard of the show. I hope he sticks around for awhile.


I've liked Dan Dority since the inception of the show. He is the true undertaker and evil muscle behind Al's operation and I think the sparks are going to fly in the very near future between him and Silas Adams.

His humorous side is damn funny with his expressions and the fact that he could just as easily snap and stick a shiv in ya for looking at an interesting piece of strange makes him one scary dude to mess with...

[bronco militia]

After reading some of the Post here ...... I may have to watch that show ......
Alot of History Wyoimng S. Dakota ...... I love going to different historical places here in Wyoming Where Progress hasnt touched ...........http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/
I use this as a guide alot .........

I just picked up episodes 1& 2 at Blockbuster. not bad. With no football, no hockey, and reason to watch TV period, I'll have plenty of time to check out the rest of season 1.

[Atlas]

I just picked up episodes 1& 2 at Blockbuster. not bad. With no football, no hockey, and reason to watch TV period, I'll have plenty of time to check out the rest of season 1.

I bought the whole first season on DVD and it is great BUT I don't have HBO.... Until tomorrow that is. I hope I can catch a rerun of the episode that ran this Sunday.

[TheManeMan]

bump....c**ksuckers...

Calamity Jane is back!!!! :griese:

[Atlas]

That was hilarious when Jane fell of her horse and Doc was trying to help her up and you hear Jane mutter. "I farted so what." HAHAHA

I love that charcter. She didn't die in real life until 1909 but it kind of looks like she might die pretty soon here on the show.

[baja]

Well I missed the whole Soprano craze too.

And its not that I mind cussing, but when it becomes a distraction to the show then its not worth watching.

Fuuck cursing

[Old Dude]

Last night's episode (#3) made me cringe & squirm.

Poor Al.

[Pezman]

Last night's episode (#3) made me cringe & squirm.

Poor Al.

That might have been the most pain-inducing moment that I've ever imagined. An 1800's catheter jammed up his shaft to try and remove a kidney stone! YEOW!

Finally though, the show started to move forward and develop a clear storyline.
The Hearst fortune tale should be an interesting mix into the show. For those that dont know, the Hearst family isnt exactly poor ROFL! They have a castle you may have heard about on the Big Sur coast of California... The HEARST CASTLE. Talk about opulance...

I thought it was kind of hard to get past the fact that the actor who plays the messenger for the George Hearst was also Jack McCall from last season. But maybe with some good acting, he will make me forget about that droopy eyed murderer.

I still miss Ricky Jay not being there (Eddie Sawyer) and wish he hadnt fallen out with the creator of the show. Its making Cy Tolliver's character harder to keep in check for whatever reason...

[bronco militia]

I just finished watching the first season on DVD...good stuff!! It's good to find a replacement for my NYPD Blue fix. I had no idea the David Milch was the brains behind Blue and now Deadwood. I think Al Swearangen and Andy Sipowicz could be related.
:giggle:

on the last DVD, the last episode has Tim Olyphant and Ian Mcshane provide audio commentary. They commented on how much they enjoyed working with Reverend Smith and that he was moving on to a spin off of Deadwood..Deadwood CSI: Cock Suckers Investigations


hehehehe.!! Now i've got to find a way to avoid this thread until season two is on DVD.

check out the official Deadwood site...great site. a pretty good message board too.

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/

[Atlas]

Last night's episode (#3) made me cringe & squirm.

Poor Al.

That might have been the most painful moment in TV history!!!

Now I know why they kept showing AL pissing in the can in the first season.

[Sodak]

Ok, I have a bet with the wifey... being a Star Trek geek, I swore up and down that the new older whore who was introduced last night as Joanie's cohort was the Borg Queen in one of the Star Trek movies... am I wrong?


Goddamn! Nice catch Pez. I knew I recognized her from somewhere.

[RhymesayersDU]

I'm so glad it's back, what a sweet show. I think I didn't give it enough of a chance 1st season because it was right after the Soprano's, and I couldn't sit there for another solid hour watching TV, but it's a real good show.

I've been loving season #2. Al Swearingen is an american hero.

[Sodak]

You wouldn't want to live there.

[RhymesayersDU]

True, but I'd love to watch other people live there.

[Atlas]

Great show. I got a kick out of Calmity Jane in tonights episode. She kicks ass. Looks like Al and Bullock are going to team up against Sai and the other c^$#suckers

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I cant get past the cock ****ing sucking **** ass goddamm cussing for no good **** damn muther****in reason.... Its annoying.

[Old Dude]

I think Miss Isringhausen is a Pinkerton agent.

Watch out, Al.

[Old Dude]

I'm serious by the way.

The evidence:

Alma's in-laws suspect she had something to do with her husband's death. We know they have Pinkerton connections. With a gold mine at stake, there's money involved too.

Miss Isringhausen arrives from out of town as a tutor, comes with great references, but never bonds with the child.

Alma eventually dismisses her, with a generous severance payment plus full fare back to the city.

Instead of leaping at the chance to get out of that hellhole of a town, Isringhausen seduces Silas (?!) and lies to him, claiming that Alma told her that she hired Al to kill her husband. (?!)

Told Silas she'd never had a drink before, but shot down the booze without a flinch.

Looks to me like she's hanging around to investigate the murder. Someone is paying her a lot more than Alma was, and she's clearly got more to her than meets the eye. School marm my a$$ ...

It's the Pinkertons, I tell you...

[TheManeMan]

good theory there old dude...i think you're onto something...

[Sodak]

I have to watch each episode twice just to figure out what the c*****ckers are saying...and I'm used to listening to inbredwood drivel.

[Atlas]

I have to watch each episode twice just to figure out what the c*****ckers are saying...and I'm used to listening to inbredwood drivel.

My stepson can't follow it. He gets upset because he wants to like the show but he says "I heard everything they said and I don't understand a word they said."

I told him he couldn't understand the intelligent people on the show because they went to school and had a secondary education. All the universities back in the late 1800s still very much had an England feel to them. Thus the people graduating talked like they were stuckup brits!!

I don't know how true this is but he bought it.

[Sodak]

My stepson can't follow it. He gets upset because he wants to like the show but he says "I heard everything they said and I don't understand a word they said."

I told him he couldn't understand the intelligent people on the show because they went to school and had a secondary education. All the universities back in the late 1800s still very much had an England feel to them. Thus the people graduating talked like they were stuckup brits!!

I don't know how true this is but he bought it.


LOL If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t?

[Old Dude]

Second theory ... Dority and Burns misinterpreted Mr. Wu. He's not trying to warn them that a "tall" Chinaman is coming to town. He's trying to explain that it's a "bigshot" or "higher-ranking" guy who's coming. Probably someone from the Tongs.

In an earlier episode, Tolliver was buying land in the "little China" district. He's been trying to cause trouble for that group ever since - - possibly to drive them off so that his investment can go up in value. He's had some sort of contact with the Tongs in SF - - that's how Hearst learned about him in the first place ... so we could be seeing some rough times ahead for Mr. Wu & his little operation.

I heven't quite figured out what the NY whore's plan is concerning Hearst's agent (the "specialist") though it probably involves some sort of blackmail. Of course, now that Cy knows the guy is a "specialist" - - from the spy he put in the brothel - - he might get a piece of that action too.

[RhymesayersDU]

New episode tonight, can't wait. I love this show.

[Sodak]

After tonight's episode I realized I'm gonna need some help cipherin' the words comin' outa them people's mouths. This show just continues to amaze me. Sometimes I can't keep up with the subplots though. Like Cy's relationship with Mr. W, the big Chinese c*****cker, the deal with the madame and Mr. W. end? I'll have to watch it again, but I've only got so much time. Anybody care to offer their take?

Could this be a soap opera for men? I love it...

[TheManeMan]

March 30, 2005 | HBO RENEWS DEADWOOD FOR A THIRD SEASON, WITH WESTERN DRAMA TO RETURN FOR 12 EPISODES NEXT YEAR
LOS ANGELES, March 30, 2005 - HBO has renewed the Emmy® and Golden Globe® winning western drama series DEADWOOD for a third season, it was announced today by Carolyn Strauss, president, HBO Entertainment. Created and executive produced by David Milch ("NYPD Blue," "Hill Street Blues"), the show is scheduled to begin production of 12 new episodes later this year, with debut set for 2006 on HBO.

"DEADWOOD is a dazzling and unpredictable show that has connected with both subscribers and critics," noted Strauss. "I'm thrilled that David Milch will bring us more episodes of this intriguing series next year."

Kicking off March 6, the 12-episode second season of DEADWOOD has already sparked critical raves, with the New York Times calling it "absorbing and addictive." New York's Daily News observed, "I fell in love with it...a phenomenal place to visit," and the Washington Post hailed DEADWOOD as "unlike anything else on TV." Giving the series a grade of A-, Entertainment Weekly described it as "one hell of a great gimmick-free Western," while the Boston Globe termed the show "an occasion worth celebrating," and the Chicago Tribune said DEADWOOD was "a classic in the making."

DEADWOOD was nominated for 11 Emmys® last year and won two Emmys® (Directing for a Drama Series - Walter Hill and Sound Editing for a Series). In addition, it received a Golden Globe® Award, for Best Performance by an Actor in a Television Series - Drama (Ian McShane).

DEADWOOD is produced by HBO Entertainment in association with Red Board Productions and Paramount Network Television; created and executive produced by David Milch; executive producer, Gregg Fienberg.

[-Slap-]

That prissy premature ejaculator who cut up all the women needs to die painfully. Cy, too.

[Atlas]

That prissy premature ejaculator who cut up all the women needs to die painfully. Cy, too.

that freaked me out. I'm like going WTF is he doing?? That definatley caught me by suprise.

[Old Dude]

that freaked me out. I'm like going WTF is he doing?? That definatley caught me by suprise.

Maddie knew he was a psycho (a fairly wealthy one) and fully expected he'd get in this sort of trouble. Her plan from the start was to let it happen and then blackmail him. She underestimated just how much of a psycho he really was, though.

Cy now has plenty of leverage on Wolcott.

I think I was right about Miss Isringhausen. She's a Pinkerton, for sure. But it looks like her assignment has very little to do with determining the actual perpetrator of Mr. Garret's murder. Her job is to make sure Alma gets the rap for it.

Probably, the Pinkertons were hired for this purpose by Garret's family back east, but there's a slight chance it could be someone else - - Hearst is an outside possibility since he seems to have his offstage fingers in everything.

[Old Dude]

BTW, I think Al has a pretty interesting hand of cards to play right now.

He knows all about Hearst & Tolliver & the whole buy-out scheme. How does he take advantage of that?

He knows that the Pinkertons (or someone nearly as dangerous) are trying to frame Alma. That's certainly something he could use. No way does he take the money.

He knows all about he negotiations between Star & Alma re the bank - which he would probably favor - -

He knows something seriously went bad for Joanie over at the the upscale brothel.

He's got natural allies in Wu and Bullock, and Cy alienated the newspaper guy.

Then there's Farnum, the "born follower" ...

[TheManeMan]

I think I was right about Miss Isringhausen. She's a Pinkerton, for sure. But it looks like her assignment has very little to do with determining the actual perpetrator of Mr. Garret's murder. Her job is to make sure Alma gets the rap for it.

Probably, the Pinkertons were hired for this purpose by Garret's family back east, but there's a slight chance it could be someone else - - Hearst is an outside possibility since he seems to have his offstage fingers in everything.

Al has a great plan for Alma regarding the Pinkertons...

[Sodak]

Ha! Look what I found, in the most obvious place...


Summary

Al is surprised to find a door that connects his place to the Pioneer, and going through it, finds a despondent Merrick, who explains that Tolliver has wrecked his newspaper office in retribution for not publishing the county commissioner's notice. Swearengen gives him his version of encouragement—complete with a slap in the face—and tells him to "stand it like a man and give some back."

At the Chez Amis, Tolliver enlists Lee to dispose of the three whores' bodies. When Joanie asks him about the women later, Cy refuses to acknowledge them, instead inquiring about the three women that Joanie secreted out of town. "They're sent away, Cy, never to return or be a problem, and I won't be either." Tolliver seems unhappy about the departure. "It's a not picnic, is it honey," he sneers. "Runnin' pussy."

Joanie is badly shaken, and confides her secret to Charlie Utter. She reflects especially on Maddie: "She wasn't scared of any man. First I ever met," she says. When Utter asked why Wolcott did such an act, Joanie answers in a confused daze. "I don't know that. I'm not a man." As Charlie comforts her, she urges him to keep the information secret.

Meanwhile, Con Stapleton and Leon are having difficulty generating business for Tolliver's new Chinese whores. They "ain't pullin', even at a dime a pop," Leon says, and Cy recommends marketing their exoticism and anatomical abilities. "We are dwarfs in the company of a giant," Stapleton admires.

At the Grand Central, a seething Utter continuously insults Wolcott and accuses him of stepping on his foot. As the disagreement grows, Wolcott warns that if they fight, it won't end lightly, but Charlie unleashes a string of profanities and ends up beating the man brutally in the street.

Bullock finally stops Utter's savage attack, and Al, observing casually, begins to connect Charlie's actions to the evacuation of the prostitutes the night before. Tolliver, however, is disturbed, and entreats Al to call a meeting of the town leaders so he can make it clear that Wolcott is the "wrong ox to gore."

Tending to Wolcott, Doc Cochran explains that Utter is Bill Hickok's former partner. Wolcott, seeking to learn more of Utter's motives asks the doc to tell Charlie that he is in possession of a letter of Hickok's, said to be his last. Cochran is hesitant. "If I do deliver the message, will there be a renewal of the violence?" he asks. "Well, I don't know doctor," Wolcott replies. "I didn't do well in the original."

Still recovering from his illness, Al limps over to Alma Garret's room for an arranged meeting. Although the widow's disgust for him is barely concealed, Swearengen endeavors to earn her trust, informing her that her former tutor is in the employ of the Pinkertons. She has difficulty believing his story: that Brom Garret's family hired the agency to "bag her gold," and attempted to enlist Swearengen for $50,000. Asked how much payment he would require to tell the truth, Al shakes his head. "I don't like the Pinkertons," he says. "They're muscle for the bosses, as if the bosses ain't got enough edge."

He further explains that with George Hearst's agents in town, it serves his interests to have Alma remain. "If you want to match their fifty, that'll be between you and your god."

At the meeting of Deadwood's town fathers, Tolliver says that the incident with Wolcott cannot be repeated. "The background of the beatin' ain't the point," he says. "The Hearst interest requires special treatment." As Al and the crew enjoy some canned peaches Cy adds that no "human court" can convict the Hearsts, whether they buy judges, juries or "start to killin'.

With neither side seeking remedies, Al asks if Bullock would like to speak for the camp, but the sheriff declines. As the meeting adjourns, Cochran tells Utter about Wolcott and the letter.

Farnum, watching from the Grand Central is beside himself that he has been left out of the meeting, muttering obscenities and averring that "public service was never my primary career."

Bullock pays an uneasy visit to Alma Garret, but the two manage to hold a sincere discussion, talking politely about Alma's proposed bank. Circling around the issue of her pregnancy, Bullock asks her if he should leave the camp, but Alma refuses to make any decisions for him. As he leaves, they share a look. "It becomes you," he says.

Trixie tells Al she is done with the hardware store, but Swearengen convinces her to return. "Now harpin's on the same level of hardship as a boot on your ****ing neck," he says of her complaints of Bullock's criticism.

In the alley, Con and Leon interview a man who has availed himself of one of the new whores. The customer tells them that there's a line of men waiting who have been "outpaced by white pussy's price." They're being watched over, he says, by a very tall Chinese man.

Calamity Jane shows up at Utter's for her package run, but she is two days late and sports a face that looks much worse for the wear. "It's getting the upper hand on me," she says to her friend, who tells her to go up to her room and clean up.

Feigning interest in shipping a parcel, Al tries to learn more about Wolcott from Charlie, but Utter won't bite. Later Swearengen tells Dority that the trip to Cheyenne to deal with the commissioners if off. He feels that Wolcott's troubles will spread to Tolliver, and that prospects are improving.

Utter shows up at Wolcott's room, and the two agree not to shake hands. Using Hickok's letter as a lure, Wolcott tries to learn what Joanie has told Charlie, but Utter becomes enraged at the mention of her name. He tells Walcott that he would rather blow his head off and take the letter from the corpse that divulge a secret, and Wolcott seems satisfied.

At the Bella Union, Joanie is in a stupor, drunk and upset. Cy sits her down for a talk and says that they should "wrestle the future to the ground," together. He tells Joanie that they'll reopen her place and asks her to move back to the Bella Union while "that maniac" is still in camp, but she rejects him. "Why'd you come here," says Cy, "If not to be protected?" Pulling her hand away from his, she answers, "I came to turn a trick."

[Atlas]

There you go Sodak. All summed up for you. Now we only have to watch it once.

Utter did a good job Bullock should have let him finish.

[BroncoMatt]

You wouldn't want to live there.

Maybe not but it was a fun place to spend a 21st birthday :thumbs:


As for the show, I have it on Tivo, I am looking forward to watching it tonight.

[Atlas]

Maybe not but it was a fun place to spend a 21st birthday :thumbs:


As for the show, I have it on Tivo, I am looking forward to watching it tonight.

I spent my 21st in Deadwood. Lost about $40 on blackjack and then went to Saloon Number 10 and stayed there till closing. They had a really loud, really bad rockN' roll band. It was great!!

[Pezman]

This week's ep was brilliant. The best of the season IMO. Everything is starting to click again after a slow paced beginning to the season. Characters are starting to really become interesting and I think even the secondary cast is really becoming familiar with their roles.

I do miss the cheeky humor from time to time on the show but there are some standout moments still...

I completely missed the dialog between Al and Cy because of Jewel's hilarious mocking of Al's gimpy leg... I love that stuff! The sad thing is, that we are now only 5 episodes away from the end of the season and yet, it feels like it just now got started. I really wish they would make the seasons a bit longer than 12-13 eps...

Can't wait to see how the Pinkertons and Hearst storylines play out! And we might soon be seeing a visit from a new lawman... Wyatt Earp. But they might wait to do that storyline until next season...

[Atlas]

I think Earp is next year. Damn great show.

[bronco militia]

number of ****s in deadwood....they even break it down by episode.....may not be work safe

http://thewvsr.com/deadwood.htm

this is the site it came from: check out "the state of my fat ass"

http://thewvsr.com/

[Old Dude]

I think Earp is next year. Damn great show.


I came across an interview somewhere that said that Earp was not in Season II.

Which is probably just as well since they have so many subplots going on now anyway.

[TheManeMan]

2 more episodes left guys... :-[

[Atlas]

I'm wondering if HBO is going to show Calamity Jane as a prostitute? She did some prostitution before she left camp. I think that would be hilarious. I want to see her all cleaned up!!

She isn't ugly

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_2413765.jpg

[RhymesayersDU]

I <3 Deadwood

Al Swearingen is my hero. Him and Tony S.

[-Slap-]

I'm wondering if HBO is going to show Calamity Jane as a prostitute? She did some prostitution before she left camp. I think that would be hilarious. I want to see her all cleaned up!!

She isn't ugly

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_2413765.jpg

Kind of get the impression she would be into girls.

[Atlas]

BIG DIFFERENCE. SHE cleans up pretty good.


http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/episodeguide/season01/ep08_group_infrontofpoxshotstand.jpg

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_2413765.jpg

[-Slap-]

BIG DIFFERENCE. SHE cleans up pretty good.


http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/episodeguide/season01/ep08_group_infrontofpoxshotstand.jpg

http://images.hollywood.com/images/4_2413765.jpg

I agree, the actress looks likea charming young woman. Calamity Jane, on the other hand, behaves like a woman who's doesn't even know she's in the closet.

[Atlas]

Calamity Jane will make one damn funny whore!!!!

[Sodak]

Helluva season ender. I wonder if Tolliver will make it to season 3.

[Pezman]

Helluva season ender. I wonder if Tolliver will make it to season 3.

*Spoilers ahead*

Great ending to a decent season. Powers Boothe was fantastic in this ep. With so many different storylines taking place in this ep, it was his that left me most impressed. I am hoping that Boothe signs the contract renewal for season 3 so we can continue to see his kickass character.

As for others, I hope to see more of George Hearst. Great character and well acted so far. You can tell he will be a force.
The death of his chief geologist was hysterical in its timing. We all knew he was gonna buy the farm as soon as he was let go by Hearst but, the timing was just classic. The Wu saga finally took some real interest too. Blood and guts is a great way to make a bland storyline turn to gold. Lets hope this is just the opening salvo to an all-out war in their war.

Great moments include watching E.B. rolling in his newfound money. Always a classic watching his blunders and faults. And Jewel always provides comic relief as well. Here's to hoping she comes back too.

The sheriff was just a bit part for the last few episodes, but it seems they will turn up the heat again and make him a stronger lawman come season 3.

Sigh.... still much to process here since I just saw it... but I liked it a hellalot! :thumbs:

[TheManeMan]

San Francisco C%@k**$u#er!!! Hahahaha...Wu is awesome...Didnt expect Wolcott to kill himself...The funniest part was when E.B. was inviting Hearst to the Gem, and he lifted his leg because of his diarrhea...I hope Cy dies...but, for some reason I doubt he does just because of how Miss Stubbs asked to seek care for him...Al is still bad ass, cant wait until next season...

[TheManeMan]

Saw the trailer for the upcoming season last night...New episodes start June 11 of this year...:militia:

[Old Dude]

Season Three Rumors:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2005/07/the_new_tv_seas_7.html#more

[L]ook for some new characters in the upcoming third season. Milch has two in mind: the legendary Wyatt Earp and a real-life theatrical producer named Jack Langrish who produced shows in Deadwood.

The insertion of Earp into the show is something that Milch has mentioned in the past and it gives him the opportunity to explore each another legend of the old West.

Langrish, though, would be something totally different: the series' first openly gay character. Milch said the impresario was ''in love the male ingenue'' in his troupe. Unfortunately, the producer adds, "the ingenue was about 52.''

Another tidbit: Milch has slowed down the march of history on "Deadwood,'' now that the series looks like it will be around for while. Originally, the show was supposed to cover one year in the life of the town each season. But season 3 will pick up just six weeks after the end of season 2, because Milch wants to spend more time on the current storylines and present Deadwood as it was in the dead of winter.

[Old Dude]

Supposedly, Gale Harold is going to play the role of Wyatt Earp:

http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/b57675fb.jpg

Should be quite a change from his previous role in Showtime's Queer as Folk.

[TheManeMan]

Very cool, thanks for the rumor update OD...:thumbs:

[Pezman]

Bump! Deadwood is only a few weeks away and already its under a shiatstorm of bad news. It seems the powers that be aka HBO suits, have decided to not renew Deadwood for a fourth season. I'm beyond pissed if they dont pony up and get their house in order, cuz once Deadwood and the final season of Sopranos is gone, I'm cancelling HBO and never coming back.


"Deadwood" may be done at HBO
By Nellie Andreeva

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The upcoming third season of HBO's "Deadwood" might mark the end of the dark Western.

The pay cable network has opted not to pick up the options of the actors on the show, releasing them to pursue other projects.

"Deadwood" creator David Milch is shifting his attention to "John From Cincinnati," a one-hour project he is writing for HBO. The surfing-themed drama has been ordered as a pilot, subject to finalizing deals on the financial and talent side.

HBO sources said there are conversations about the future of "Deadwood" beyond the third season, which premieres June 11. But with the actors moving on to other commitments, it is highly unlikely that all the main cast members would be available to do additional episodes in the future.

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyID=2006-05-12T073108Z_01_N11409053_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-DEADWOOD-DC.XML

"Deadwood," RIP?

by Gina Serpe
May 12, 2006, 8:45 AM PT

Al Swearengen may be riding off into the effin' sunset a little sooner than expected.

HBO has confirmed that it will not pick up the contract options for Deadwood cast members, indicating that the upcoming third season of the cuss-happy western may be its last.

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According to Variety, the ensemble's contracts will expire on June 11, the date of the third-season premiere, and while technically this makes any cancellation news premature, the chances of the show being resuscitated at this point are unlikely.

The decision to allow the contracts lapse means that the show's two leads, Ian McShane and Timothy Olyphant, as well as the stable of supporting players, have no further obligation to the critically adored show and are free to pursue other acting gigs.

The news comes just three weeks after series creator and executive producer David Milch spoke to the Boston Globe and offered a decidedly different take on the fate of the show, which is set in the outlaw mining camp of Deadwood in the late 1870s.

"There's a time when creative and commercial intentions coincide," Milch told the newspaper. "Then they diverge. If a series is successful, the commercial interest is in keeping it on, even after the creative interest is in ending it.

"With Deadwood, my intention is to end at the end of the fourth season. I can't speak for anyone else, but that's where I'm getting off the bus."

While Variety suggests that HBO may reverse itself and pick up Deadwood for one more season, Milch is already working with the cable network on a new project, John from Cincinnati. Barring any last-minute negotiation hitches, work is expected to begin soon on a pilot episode to the show, which is described as a "surf noir."

Still Deadwood's apparent demise is a bit puzzling. Yes, the second-season premiere drew 2.8 million viewers--3 million fewer than the series premiere--but it still ranked as one of HBO's better performers last year.

The show has proved a critical favorite, as well. At last September's Emmy Awards, the show racked up five trophies out of 11 nominations; McShane took home the 2005 Golden Globe as Best Actor in a Drama Series; the American Film Institute named the show one of the Top 10 TV programs of 2005; and the series took home a Peabody Award for excellence in media and television.

In any event, the third and likely final 12-episode season kicks off June 11.

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,19013,00.html

[Atlas]

That sucks! I thought they were going to do 4 seasons. One of the greatest shows on TV hands down.

[Old Dude]

%&*#&$

[scorpio]

http://savedeadwood.net/pledge.htm

I really hope this isn't true.


from the site:
This is the ad we will place in the Hollywood and New York editions of Daily Variety (a/k/a the "National" Edition)



An Open Letter To HBO

As HBO subscribers, we are shocked and dismayed to read recent press accounts reporting that HBO has thus far not picked up its options on the contracts of the cast for a fourth season of "Deadwood".

For many years, HBO has been without peer as the network of choice for discerning viewers seeking literate, high quality original programming.

During the two seasons which have aired to date, "Deadwood" has upheld that proud tradition. Its ratings, critical acclaim, and its Emmy and Peabody awards attest to the artistry and craftsmanship evident in each highly anticipated episode.

As far back as January it was reported that negotiations for a fourth season of Deadwood were underway. Just a few weeks ago, the series creator, David Milch stated in several interviews that he envisioned a four-year arc for the series. To receive the news of "Deadwood"'s demise only after production of the third season had been completed is very disturbing.

In our opinion, if it fails to allow "Deadwood" to run its natural course, HBO not only deprives millions of viewers around the world the opportunity to see "Deadwood" to its intended conclusion, but creates a serious disincentive to viewer investment in future series that could meet the same fate, jeopardizing the hard-won good will built up among subscribers for many years.

We implore you to act quickly to renew "Deadwood" for a fourth season with the original cast intact.

Sincerely,

Name

(if we receive a small number of contributions all those who contribute may include their names; due to space limitations, it may appear in small type)

(if we receive a large number of contributions, it won't be possible to include everybody's name; the letter would be signed something like "736 Fans of Deadwood" or just "Fans of Deadwood", we'll just have to wait and see)

[Sodak]

Typical. C o****ckers.


Just when I was thinking there would be something to look forward to after the Soparanos. Now what are we left with? Entourage? That show blows.

There's Rome which is watchable.

[-Slap-]

By the tone of these articles, it seems to me like David Milch was shifting his artistic priorities. If his interest in the project was waning, then the finished product was going to suffer anyway.

I can tell you that his "surfer drama" will join Entourage and Big Love as HBO shows I have no interest in ever watching.

[BarefootKicker]

bump. Save Deadwood.

[Crushaholic]

I just watched the first two episodes of "Deadwood" on DVD yesterday because I don't have HBO and wanted to see this show. I loved it and was thinking about getting HBO just for this show. Then, I read this that "Deadwood" is seeing its last days and I'm getting depressed...

On the bright side, I might be able to cancel my plans to get HBO due to this news...

[Old Dude]

On the bright side, you have two seasons of episodes waiting for you on DVD.

[Crushaholic]

On the bright side, you have two seasons of episodes waiting for you on DVD.

That too. BTW, I always thought the guy in your avatar was Edward James Olmos. I guess not...:rofl:

[Tombstone RJ]

I only got to watch the first six episodes of season one on DVD, its a fanstastic show.

It's one of those shows that always leaves you thinking, especially about human nature and how we perceive "good" and "bad." This show really blurs the line between what is morally "right" or "wrong." Loved it.

Bummer, great show.

[Crushaholic]

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyID=2006-06-05T030717Z_01_N04222581_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-DEADWOOD-DC.XML

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - HBO has solved its "Deadwood" dilemma.

HBO has reached an agreement with David Milch, the creator and executive producer of the Western drama series, to wrap up the show as a pair of two-hour movies rather than as full-blown fourth season.

The issue of whether HBO would order a fourth season was forced in recent weeks by the fact that the cast members' contractual options for a fourth season are due to expire soon. The third season of "Deadwood" is set to premiere Sunday.



HBO had offered Milch a six-episode pickup for Season 4 rather than the 12-episode norm for the show since its premiere in 2004.

Milch was said to have not been in favor of a six-episode final season because of the show's emphasis on each episode representing a day in the life of the lawless camp in late-1800s South Dakota, where the show is set. The shift of the final "Deadwood" installments to a two-hour movie format will allow for a clean break with that day-in-the-life format and allow the rest of the story to unfold on a broader narrative canvas.

Sources said the impasse was broken Friday after a series of conversations between Milch, an Emmy and Peabody winner for his work on ABC's "NYPD Blue," and HBO chairman and CEO Chris Albrecht.

In addition to shepherding "Deadwood" to its conclusion, Milch is busy working on a new pilot for HBO, "John From Cincinnati," set in the world of surfing in Southern California.

"I am thrilled that we were able to figure out a way to continue," Milch said Sunday. "No one was ready to let go of the show. And I am really glad we have found a way to proceed that works creatively."

HBO still has to come to terms with key cast members to appear in the two movies, including Ian McShane, Timothy Olyphant and Molly Parker. Insiders said HBO brass were confident they would be able to proceed with the show in its new incarnation, indicating that the network was prepared to make it worth the while of cast members who had been anticipating a full season's worth of work.

[MrPeepers]

Man, what a downer I love this show. Seen every episode. Big love is boring.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Uh they are going to drop Deadwood and start working on a pilot about a surfer from Cincinnati? That seems pretty dumb. If the show is doing well why not just pony up the cash for the stars you want to keep and kill the other ones off.

On the other hand Entourage starts back up soon, Im realy excited about that.

[Old Dude]

Hey, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. A pair of 2-hour movies is not a fourth season, but better than nothing!

[Atlas]

Hey, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. A pair of 2-hour movies is not a fourth season, but better than nothing!

I guess we take what we can get

[Atlas]

Last nights episode was great, and next week is going to be even better. This thing is getting ready to explode. Looks like Al and Dan are going to go up against Hurst and his enforcer. I love this damn show!!

[Cool Breeze]

Yeah! At least we get closure. This a great show, and at this point, I'll take anything.

[-Slap-]

Dan Vs Hearst's Big C-Sucker looks like a matchup for the ages.

[-Slap-]

Dan is the frigging MAN!

That was the most brutal thing I've witnessed since George Foreman Vs Ron Lyle in 1976.

[Atlas]

I haven't seen it yet but I know it's going to be great

[Garcia Bronco]

This show is un-watchable...from the foul language to the bad acting to the overt racist situations. It's just terrible. It should be no surprise that it will soon be canceled.

[BroncoBen]

This show is un-watchable...from the foul language to the bad acting to the overt racist situations. It's just terrible. It should be no surprise that it will soon be canceled.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not..

If you are being serious.... Then don't watch it.
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[Atlas]

This show is un-watchable...from the foul language to the bad acting to the overt racist situations. It's just terrible. It should be no surprise that it will soon be canceled.

best show on TV

The acting is great. I think the Bullock character is a little stiff but Swerenger, Dan, Hurst, Calamity, Sol, Doc and all the rest do a great job.

[Old Dude]

I haven't seen it yet but I know it's going to be great

I missed it, but thank gosh for replays.

[Garcia Bronco]

best show on TV

The acting is great. I think the Bullock character is a little stiff but Swerenger, Dan, Hurst, Calamity, Sol, Doc and all the rest do a great job.


Alright...so that acting isn't all that bad...but the other stuff I mentioned. The swearing is the killer...like the guy on lasts weeks swearing about african-americans, so to say, was beyond annoying.

[Garcia Bronco]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not..

If you are being serious.... Then don't watch it.
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Man...I try not too...but the afore mentioned example was too much to bare....it was on in the back ground...I literally had to stop what I was doing and change it to anything else.

[Sodak]

Alright...so that acting isn't all that bad...but the other stuff I mentioned. The swearing is the killer...like the guy on lasts weeks swearing about african-americans, so to say, was beyond annoying.

Do you think people in the 1800's were racially sensitive? or politically correct? I think not.

This shows parts of the ugly side of our history as Americans. A better view of where we're coming from rather than where we're going.

[Rausch]

Do you think people in the 1800's were racially sensitive? or politically correct? I think not.

This shows parts of the ugly side of our history as Americans. A better view of where we're coming from rather than where we're going.

Exactly.

Give America reality TV and we giggle and suck down meals in front of the tube.

Give us a heavy main-line dose of reality and we wail and moan like a ****ing banshee arse-pounded by a gorilla...

[bendog]

Exactly.

Give America reality TV and we giggle and suck down meals in front of the tube.

Give us a heavy main-line dose of reality and we wail and moan like a ****ing banshee arse-pounded by a gorilla...
I think reality for people on the fronteir circa 1880 was just boredom and hard work. I liked the first season, but it's hard to find time to watch it when the Kid isn't around, and my wife didn't really care for it either. She didn't really mind it, but it's sort of rude to watch something the other person would really prefer not be on. Unless it's sports.

[Rausch]

I think reality for people on the fronteir circa 1880 was just boredom and hard work. I liked the first season, but it's hard to find time to watch it when the Kid isn't around, and my wife didn't really care for it either. She didn't really mind it, but it's sort of rude to watch something the other person would really prefer not be on. Unless it's sports.

Let there be no doubt: it's adults only.

And this isn't a series about hope or accomplishment or higher morals. Its about how the ugly we were became the Nation we are.

Slightly less ugly today, but still very much flawed, and a work in progress...

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you think people in the 1800's were racially sensitive? or politically correct? I think not.

This shows parts of the ugly side of our history as Americans. A better view of where we're coming from rather than where we're going.


That's got nothing to do with it. You're not talking about a documentary. It's a TV drama mass marketed and it's got beyond average language problems that make watching it difficult. It sets a bad example. I think based on that...you won't see it on for too much longer.

[Garcia Bronco]

Exactly.

Give America reality TV and we giggle and suck down meals in front of the tube.

Give us a heavy main-line dose of reality and we wail and moan like a ****ing banshee arse-pounded by a gorilla...


that's not reality...at best it can be describe as a second hand account of events that happened so long ago....no one is even close to have been alive.

[Sodak]

That's got nothing to do with it. You're not talking about a documentary. It's a TV drama mass marketed and it's got beyond average language problems that make watching it difficult. It sets a bad example. I think based on that...you won't see it on for too much longer.


We've all seen the sanitized version of the Old West, and it's not interesting at all IMO. I like the gritty, real view of the west, not Little House on the Prairie.

Gunsmoke, et all. The westerns from the 60's and 70's mainly portrayed an unrealistic version of our past. I understand this is not a ducumentary, but if it were, it would be a lot closer to the real west than the clinical versions you prefer.

Money moves the industry and Deadwood is a smash hit; but the producer is a Prima Donna who is pulling the plug for "artistic reasons". Rubbish.

[BroncoBen]

We've all seen the sanitized version of the Old West, and it's not interesting at all IMO. I like the gritty, real view of the west, not Little House on the Prairie.

People also seem to forget that this show is being shown on HBO which has won many Emmys for showing programs that are on the Edge.

You have the choice not to 'Pay' to watch HBO, it's not like the show is being shown on 'Free' TV and you have no choice because that is all that is on ie. your American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, Deal or no Deal, etc.

But to condem Television shows like 'DeadWood' and 'Rescue Me' is ludacrist because you have a choice, don't watch them, they will continue to win awards for being Edgy since they give the rest of a us a choice.
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[bendog]

By all accounts Deadwood was truly a cesspit of human nature. The show may actually be fairly accurate in that respect. I've never followed WHY people came to Deadwood. I think the gold discovery, followed by Custer's defeat, and the eliminatio of the Sioux gave Deadwood a short but colorful life. And of course, Wild Bill really was shot there. I'm having a bit of difficulty distinguishing the show from the book, cause I pulled the hbo plug two years ago, and read the book last year or the year before.

I like Oakley Hall's book "Badlands" too, but much less sex than Deadwood.

[-Slap-]

We've all seen the sanitized version of the Old West, and it's not interesting at all IMO. I like the gritty, real view of the west, not Little House on the Prairie.

Gunsmoke, et all. The westerns from the 60's and 70's mainly portrayed an unrealistic version of our past. I understand this is not a ducumentary, but if it were, it would be a lot closer to the real west than the clinical versions you prefer.

Money moves the industry and Deadwood is a smash hit; but the producer is a Prima Donna who is pulling the plug for "artistic reasons". Rubbish.
Even Deadwood is a sanitized Hollywoodized version of the old west. For one thing, most of the whores have straight teeth and clear complexions. For another thing, once they discovered how much people liked the Al Swearengen character, they made him about 50% less evil overnight.

[bendog]

Even Deadwood is a sanitized Hollywoodized version of the old west. For one thing, most of the whores have straight teeth and clear complexions. For another thing, once they discovered how much people liked the Al Swearengen character, they made him about 50% less evil overnight.
Really? I'll maybe have to rent the dvd. He was I bisexual rapist in the book.

[-Slap-]

Really? I'll maybe have to rent the dvd. He was I bisexual rapist in the book.
What was the name of the book?

[bendog]

Deadwood (Vintage Contemporaries) (Paperback)
by Pete Dexter
Interesting writer.

btw, has anybody else noticed that amazon.com's site is both less friendly/inuitive and simply slow?

[Garcia Bronco]

People also seem to forget that this show is being shown on HBO which has won many Emmys for showing programs that are on the Edge.

You have the choice not to 'Pay' to watch HBO, it's not like the show is being shown on 'Free' TV and you have no choice because that is all that is on ie. your American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother, Deal or no Deal, etc.

But to condem Television shows like 'DeadWood' and 'Rescue Me' is ludacrist because you have a choice, don't watch them, they will continue to win awards for being Edgy since they give the rest of a us a choice.
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I understand that argument..but I think at some point there needs to be a line that is not crossed. Especially with regards to race and language in our current climate. More and more people are taking TV's out of their homes period because of the lack of responsibility of program creation. Just because you can accomplish a thing...doesn't mean that it's to be done. The horror and life of the 1880's can be told with the same affect without the extraneous cursing regardless of the true language patterns of the time. Besides...too many people in this country can't speak the king's English to begin with and this show isn't helping. That's not to say the 10:00 slot on HBO Sunday is the place to learn language and be educated...but you get my drift.

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Deadwood (Vintage Contemporaries) (Paperback)
by Pete Dexter
Interesting writer.

btw, has anybody else noticed that amazon.com's site is both less friendly/inuitive and simply slow?
Thanks. I'm going to check it out.

I rented the Lonesone Dove miniseries from NetFlix this weekend. I had never seen it before and I didn't know what I was missing. One of the five best westerns of all time. Duvall's performance was typically brilliant, but I was really impressed By Tommy Lee Jones. Definitely his best work ever.

[Atlas]

Alright...so that acting isn't all that bad...but the other stuff I mentioned. The swearing is the killer...like the guy on lasts weeks swearing about african-americans, so to say, was beyond annoying.

maybe it's annoying but that's the way people talk. Especially in places like Deadwood where only the most hardened uneducated, outlawish people went.

Minning camps have always been known for their brashness. If it bothers you I guesss that is your proragotive but that's the way it was. I recomend you don't watch the mini series "Roots" either. You might be disturbed by some of the scenes.

[Atlas]

That's got nothing to do with it. You're not talking about a documentary. It's a TV drama mass marketed and it's got beyond average language problems that make watching it difficult. It sets a bad example. I think based on that...you won't see it on for too much longer.

That has nothing to do with it. I watched an epiosode of the Sopranos and the said some version of the "F' work 51 times in one episode alone. Language won't play a part in Deadwoods demsise the cost and lack of fresh ideas will.

[Garcia Bronco]

Minning camps have always been known for their brashness. If it bothers you I guesss that is your proragotive but that's the way it was. I recomend you don't watch the mini series "Roots" either. You might be disturbed by some of the scenes.


You mean the one from the 80's/70's?

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That has nothing to do with it. I watched an epiosode of the Sopranos and the said some version of the "F' work 51 times in one episode alone. Language won't play a part in Deadwoods demsise the cost and lack of fresh ideas will.
Actually, David Milch is leaving to do some gay surfing show.

[Atlas]

You mean the one from the 80's/70's?

yeah there are lots of disturbing things in the movie. Torture scenes, degradation scenes and bad words like "****er"

[Garcia Bronco]

yeah there are lots of disturbing things in the movie. Torture scenes, degradation scenes and bad words like "****er"


I watched a little bit of it back then, but I don't remember any of it. I don't know what they edited...but back then they showed that on network TV at night.

[bendog]

To me the distinction is whether the show is depicting someone who is doing something that is "ok" in terms of what's acceptable in society, or whether the guy's a criminal doing crimes. What's funny about the sopranos, which I've only seen once, the real thing objectionable Milch's character is the gay stuff.

And, imo, what's on 'free tv' should be different from hbo or some pay per view. If you subscribe, then it's more your responsibility.

[Old Dude]

Well, Wyatt and Morgan finally made their appearance.

From what I understand, Wyatt originally (historically) arrived to check out the gold operations, found that the area was already pretty well staked out, and decided to hang around for the gambling. At some point, he flirted with the idea of running vs Bullock for Sheriff, but that went nowhere. Then he did get into the timber-hauling business and made good money hauling firewood during a harsh winter. As I recall the story, Morgan Earp didn't hang around as long.

[Sodak]

Joni needs to get herself a better looking girlfriend...

[manchambo]

I understand that argument..but I think at some point there needs to be a line that is not crossed. Especially with regards to race and language in our current climate. More and more people are taking TV's out of their homes period because of the lack of responsibility of program creation. Just because you can accomplish a thing...doesn't mean that it's to be done. The horror and life of the 1880's can be told with the same affect without the extraneous cursing regardless of the true language patterns of the time. Besides...too many people in this country can't speak the king's English to begin with and this show isn't helping. That's not to say the 10:00 slot on HBO Sunday is the place to learn language and be educated...but you get my drift.

Well that comment make me wonder whether you've ever even watched the show. I don't believe there is any show on television that takes more care with language than Deadwood. If you would listen to the words other than curses, you would notice that the entire show is written in an amazingly high, Victorian style that I don't believe another living TV writer could pull off. I seriously doubt that anyone in Deadwood actually talked that way, but the amazing style of the language of the show is one of the most wonderful things about it.

As for all the commentary about whether the show is a good "example," I just refuse to believe my fellow man is that stupid. Do you take Deadwood, or any other television drama, as an example for how you should act? If not, why do you assume other viewers are so much stupider than you? Even if we must assume that they are, I refuse to give up good entertainment on some type of marxist, lowest common denominator view of the world.

[Sodak]

Was that the former linebacker Bryan Cox who played Odell? I saw the name in the credits, did anyone recognize him?

From HBO.com
"Hearst seeks details of Merrick's beating from Barrett. Blazanov delivers Hearst's telegram and Hearst goes to deliver the news to Aunt Lou: Odell is dead, found on the road to Rapid City."

[MrPeepers]

One thing I recently learned regarding the language of the show was interesting. The words c*****cker and m*therfuc&er were never used in camp early on. It was words like sh!t and wh*re, b!tch and so on. But those words had the same offensiveness as the c*****cker has on todays climate. They use the harsher profanities to simply convey the tone of the times. The sh!t and so on are so much a part of modern language and culture now they don't jump out and irritate you whereas the others do. That's why they opted for such offensiveness.

Heres a really good website if your interested in looking at fact vs. fiction regarding the show.

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-DeadwoodHBO.html

[Iowanian]

Was that the former linebacker Bryan Cox who played Odell? I saw the name in the credits, did anyone recognize him?
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Odell was Omar Gooding....Cuba Gooding Jr's brother.


"Hey! Its Gigantico the missing Circus elephant"-Jane

I about spit beer out my nose on that.

[Sodak]

Odell was Omar Gooding....Cuba Gooding Jr's brother.


"Hey! Its Gigantico the missing Circus elephant"-Jane

I about spit beer out my nose on that.

Funny, I thought he looked a little like Cuba. Also, he's too good of an actor. Bryan Cox wasn't exactly the brightest bulb now was he?

[Old Dude]

... Bryan Cox wasn't exactly the brightest bulb now was he?

Speaking of lightbulbs and hoopleheads and whatnot, am I just being paranoid or did anyone else get the feeling from the "Leviathan Smiles" episode that Richardson (the cook & Farnum's old whipping boy) might be just a little more than he seems?

This fellow snatched up a newspaper when no one else was around and started reading it rather intently. Could be a red herring, but that didn't seem to square with the whole "mentally challenged" image of the character.

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Odell was Omar Gooding....Cuba Gooding Jr's brother.


"Hey! Its Gigantico the missing Circus elephant"-Jane

I about spit beer out my nose on that.
The Giganto smack was great.

[Pezman]

I've held off commenting too much about this season so far, but the way the show has progressed, now is a good time to start chiming in.

I am absolutely completely loving this show. And with only 3 episodes left, its really starting to piss me off to no end that HBO has ****ed with us all by killing the 4th season. I know, I know, they'll have two tv movies. Blah. They are leaving so many stories untold, that I fear we will never see most resolved.

Highlights from this year so far are...

Al showing an increasing fragility to his character. His shift from the leading power in camp was symbolized by the loss of his finger. He may not be the biggest badass in camp anymore, but he is still very prideful and wont be backing down from any fight (or putting designer sh*t on his finger for that matter Ha!)

Hearst. Wow, they really fleshed his character out of nowhere from a man who looked like a clean-cut buisnessman to a cold-blooded, venomous man. He's been a great addition to the story and even though he may not get his true come-uppance, he will bleed before this all ends.

Now onto a bit of nitpicking...

-Bullock has been a bit of a letdown. For whatever reason, the importance of his character seems to be untapped. Running errands between Hostetler and Steve the Drunk? Cmon, give the guy more to do!

-Cy Tolliver. Man oh man, if there is one character that I absolutely wish they would do more with, its him. Powers Boothe is a great actor, and some of his scenes have stolen entire shows before. I wish they would have given him a stronger angle this season rather than being Hearst's errand boy all season.

-Is there any reason we are focusing so much on Jane, or Steve when characters like Wu, Andy Cramed, Doc Cochran, and most of all, EB Farnam are being given throwaway parts? EB has always been one of my favorites, and the way they have doused his scenes this year has really been disappointing. Seriously, Jane's daily life is so boring to me. Drink, puke, fart, babble... blah.

I'm really hoping HBO execs get their **** together because after this show ends, my loyalty to them goes out the door.

[RhymesayersDU]

I love this show. That is all.

[Pezman]

I love this show. That is all.

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