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El Guapo
10-23-2013, 11:33 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2472680/Saudi-Arabia-severs-diplomatic-ties-US-response-conflict-Syria.html

Cant find this in the media here. Ridiculous.

W*GS
10-23-2013, 12:29 PM
Not severed, not yet.

Rohirrim
10-23-2013, 12:34 PM
This is just Bandar squawking. Don't worry about it until the king says something.

mhgaffney
10-23-2013, 12:39 PM
The Saudis were also very unhappy that the US did not use its military muscle to support Mukbarak -- and crush the popular revolt in Egypt.

Saudi Arabia is one of the most repressive tyrannies on the planet.

bronco militia
10-23-2013, 12:57 PM
The Saudis were also very unhappy that the US did not use its military muscle to support Mukbarak -- and crush the popular revolt in Egypt.

Saudi Arabia is one of the most repressive tyrannies on the planet.

LOOK!! over there???!!!

http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jewpacabra.jpg

DenverBrit
10-23-2013, 01:28 PM
Let the Saudis and the other Gulf States get in there....Muslim on Muslim is a much better outcome for the West.

mhgaffney
10-23-2013, 01:49 PM
The US should be close allies and friends with Iran -- which is a democratic republic -- not with S Arabia.

A rupture would be a good thing -- though it might cause a meltdown here. Come to think of it -- that would cause the too bigs to fail -- which would be a good thing.

Bring it on.
MHG

cutthemdown
10-23-2013, 07:18 PM
Obama has ruined our relationship with most of the world but the media doesn't want to tell you about it. They want you to think he fixed that and GWB ruined it.

Fact is Russia, Egypt, Saudis, Brazil and prob some other big countries he has ruined it. Also most of the EU is summoning ambassadors to yell at them daily over the spying. Seriously it has never been worst for the USA when it comes to pull at the UN, how the other leaders view us, and our relationship with the other big players in the world.

Obama a trainwreck that doesn't get reported anywhere but fox.

cutthemdown
10-23-2013, 07:18 PM
LOL Obama prob will cozy up to iran and let them build a bomb. They see the opening, they see Obama is a joke, they will stall and fool him long enough to do a nuclear test.

barryr
10-25-2013, 07:34 PM
The Obama media would have us all believe everyone around the world now loves America and terrorists are our friends now.

Bronco Yoda
10-26-2013, 01:20 PM
Who is the 'Obama media' ?

W*GS
10-26-2013, 02:08 PM
Who is the 'Obama media' ?

Everybody except Fox.

Rohirrim
10-26-2013, 02:33 PM
The Obama media would have us all believe everyone around the world now loves America and terrorists are our friends now.

That little bubble you inhabit just keeps getting smaller and smaller.

peacepipe
10-26-2013, 02:53 PM
Obama has ruined our relationship with most of the world but the media doesn't want to tell you about it. They want you to think he fixed that and GWB ruined it.

Fact is Russia, Egypt, Saudis, Brazil and prob some other big countries he has ruined it. Also most of the EU is summoning ambassadors to yell at them daily over the spying. Seriously it has never been worst for the USA when it comes to pull at the UN, how the other leaders view us, and our relationship with the other big players in the world.

Obama a trainwreck that doesn't get reported anywhere but fox.

/\ cut****stain, the always faithful GWB apologist.

peacepipe
10-26-2013, 02:58 PM
you can always leave it to cut to come up with some BS in hopes of absolving GWB.

W*GS
10-26-2013, 07:44 PM
The US started hacking Merkel's phone in 2002. Who was President then, cut?

barryr
10-27-2013, 08:05 AM
Who is the 'Obama media' ?

At least 85-90% of the media, basically anything not named Fox and most not on talk radio, hence why liberals and Obama supporters would love to shut them all down so the uninterrupted indoctrinating before each existed can commence once again. Yeah, I know, it really wasn't happening. The liberal media just reports the facts LOL

DenverBrit
10-27-2013, 09:17 AM
At least 85-90% of the media, basically anything not named Fox and most not on talk radio, hence why liberals and Obama supporters would love to shut them all down so the uninterrupted indoctrinating before each existed can commence once again. Yeah, I know, it really wasn't happening. The liberal media just reports the facts LOL


http://www.vizzed.com/boards/userimages/postattachments/59142-1321474371.jpg

cutthemdown
10-27-2013, 10:01 AM
Obama owns everything now because he has been in charge long enough to make changes.

peacepipe
10-27-2013, 12:31 PM
Obama owns everything now because he has been in charge long enough to make changes.

BS.

cutthemdown
10-27-2013, 06:43 PM
Our govt has never been hated more, good job Obama! Who cares though **** the germans they deserve to get spied on. We have to make sure they don't start another world war or kill 6 million people again.

cutthemdown
10-27-2013, 06:44 PM
Obama should just say as we are close allies with isreal and the jews, we feel we have to keep on eye on Germany lol! Bwaaaa!

cutthemdown
10-27-2013, 06:45 PM
You don't really think another world leader get's bugged without the President knowing about it do you? Cmon he knew. I agree with Obama though he can't admit it lol.

W*GS
10-27-2013, 06:48 PM
How drunk are you, cut?

peacepipe
10-27-2013, 07:09 PM
Our govt has never been hated more, good job Obama! Who cares though **** the germans they deserve to get spied on. We have to make sure they don't start another world war or kill 6 million people again.we were hated a lot more under gwb,and it is a gwb policy that is biting us in the ass now. i'm sure you also blame Obama for the killing of jfk.

cutthemdown
10-27-2013, 08:12 PM
How drunk are you, cut?

What Germany holocaust jokes too much? It's because I just watched the great escape and it makes ww2 seem sort of fun. Except for the guys who got shot, but for the other guys sort of fun.

Rigs11
10-28-2013, 10:53 AM
too funny, now suddenly the right is worried about what the rest of the world thinksHa!Oh and this is being reported on the evil liburl sites too.

Rigs11
10-29-2013, 07:41 AM
good link for you righties.

Righteous indignation over US spying seen as naive in Israel


With every passing day bringing new allegations of the U.S. spying on its allies, many Israelis figure they would be naive to believe America wasn't snooping on its closest ally in the Middle East.

But instead of the indignation seen in France, Spain and Germany at the prospect that the National Security Agency listened in to the phone calls of top leaders, Israelis seem to take in stride the prospect of Uncle Sam listening in.

“I think it is almost a universal assumption that everyone tries to spy on everyone,” Mark Heller, of Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies told FoxNews.com. “Since the U.S. - by virtue of its resources, if nothing else - is the most capable, then it is probably best to assume that it does [now] or has done in the past to Israel what it has apparently done to its other friends and allies.

“It’s almost a given” Heller continued. “The whole story reminds me of the scene from Casablanca when the Chief of Police is shocked to find out that there is gambling going on in the casino!”

Former spymaster Danny Yatom told reporters the suspicions are warranted.


“The Americans rightly see themselves as a superpower, but wrongly feel that they can do whatever they want, including the eavesdropping,” Yatom, former head of Israel’s spy agency Mossad, told Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv. “I can tell you with certain knowledge that [America] has been listening in on its allies, including Israel.

“The U.S. doesn’t really care about anyone [but itself],” Yatom said. “When the Americans think they need to listen in on someone, they’ll do just that.”

German Chancellor Angela Merkel reacted angrily at word her own cellphone was tapped by the U.S.

"The United States of America and Europe face common challenges. We are allies," the German leader said. "But such an alliance can only be built on trust. That's why I repeat again: spying among friends, that cannot be."

Yatom, who resigned after just two years in the job following the Mossad’s botched attempt to assassinate Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in Jordan in 1998, said the U.S. wants to know what the Israeli administration really thinks about issues such as the ongoing Middle East peace process brokered by Secretary of State John Kerry and the potential danger posed to Israeli security by a nuclear Iran.

“It is important for them [the U.S.] to know what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really thinks…about these issues,” he conceded.

If one accepts that the U.S. is spying to some degree on Israel, is it safe to assume that the reverse is also true? Heller suggests that if trying to vacuum up as much information as possible from both open and confidential sources is spying then yes, it is probably the case that Israel is also spying to some degree on the U.S.

“There is however a huge disparity in capability,” Heller said. “The NSA has a larger budget than the gross domestic product of Israel and of many middle-sized European countries.”

In assessing the damage that likely U.S. spying on Israel or any other ally might cause, Heller said U.S. spying would only be detrimental to other states if such information fell into the wrong hands.

“I would guess that a revelation of that sort would only be truly damaging to the relationship if it turns out that the information was used to the detriment of the other party, or leaked to a third party which is a hostile to either or both of them,” he said.

“I think a lot of it [the shocked European reaction] is either hypocrisy or jealousy,” Heller concluded. “After all, that is why almost everybody takes whatever counter-measures they can if they want to keep things secret. In the case of the Europeans, well, they’ve done a fair bit of their own [spying] as well.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/29/righteous-indignation-over-us-spying-seen-as-naive-in-israel/

cutthemdown
10-29-2013, 07:47 AM
Someone should do a skit where when the Saudis sever ties they do a video where they use a machette to chop up whatever agreements we have with them lol.

cutthemdown
10-29-2013, 07:48 AM
Saudis could try and **** us the next time we need them to manipulate oil production.

Rohirrim
10-29-2013, 08:26 AM
good link for you righties.

Righteous indignation over US spying seen as naive in Israel


With every passing day bringing new allegations of the U.S. spying on its allies, many Israelis figure they would be naive to believe America wasn't snooping on its closest ally in the Middle East.

But instead of the indignation seen in France, Spain and Germany at the prospect that the National Security Agency listened in to the phone calls of top leaders, Israelis seem to take in stride the prospect of Uncle Sam listening in.

“I think it is almost a universal assumption that everyone tries to spy on everyone,” Mark Heller, of Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies told FoxNews.com. “Since the U.S. - by virtue of its resources, if nothing else - is the most capable, then it is probably best to assume that it does [now] or has done in the past to Israel what it has apparently done to its other friends and allies.

“It’s almost a given” Heller continued. “The whole story reminds me of the scene from Casablanca when the Chief of Police is shocked to find out that there is gambling going on in the casino!”

Former spymaster Danny Yatom told reporters the suspicions are warranted.


“The Americans rightly see themselves as a superpower, but wrongly feel that they can do whatever they want, including the eavesdropping,” Yatom, former head of Israel’s spy agency Mossad, told Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv. “I can tell you with certain knowledge that [America] has been listening in on its allies, including Israel.

“The U.S. doesn’t really care about anyone [but itself],” Yatom said. “When the Americans think they need to listen in on someone, they’ll do just that.”

German Chancellor Angela Merkel reacted angrily at word her own cellphone was tapped by the U.S.

"The United States of America and Europe face common challenges. We are allies," the German leader said. "But such an alliance can only be built on trust. That's why I repeat again: spying among friends, that cannot be."

Yatom, who resigned after just two years in the job following the Mossad’s botched attempt to assassinate Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in Jordan in 1998, said the U.S. wants to know what the Israeli administration really thinks about issues such as the ongoing Middle East peace process brokered by Secretary of State John Kerry and the potential danger posed to Israeli security by a nuclear Iran.

“It is important for them [the U.S.] to know what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really thinks…about these issues,” he conceded.

If one accepts that the U.S. is spying to some degree on Israel, is it safe to assume that the reverse is also true? Heller suggests that if trying to vacuum up as much information as possible from both open and confidential sources is spying then yes, it is probably the case that Israel is also spying to some degree on the U.S.

“There is however a huge disparity in capability,” Heller said. “The NSA has a larger budget than the gross domestic product of Israel and of many middle-sized European countries.”

In assessing the damage that likely U.S. spying on Israel or any other ally might cause, Heller said U.S. spying would only be detrimental to other states if such information fell into the wrong hands.

“I would guess that a revelation of that sort would only be truly damaging to the relationship if it turns out that the information was used to the detriment of the other party, or leaked to a third party which is a hostile to either or both of them,” he said.

“I think a lot of it [the shocked European reaction] is either hypocrisy or jealousy,” Heller concluded. “After all, that is why almost everybody takes whatever counter-measures they can if they want to keep things secret. In the case of the Europeans, well, they’ve done a fair bit of their own [spying] as well.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/29/righteous-indignation-over-us-spying-seen-as-naive-in-israel/

“The U.S. doesn’t really care about anyone [but itself],” Yatom said. “When the Americans think they need to listen in on someone, they’ll do just that.”

And we could say the exact same thing about Israel.

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 08:40 AM
too funny, now suddenly the right is worried about what the rest of the world thinksHa!Oh and this is being reported on the evil liburl sites too.

The point isn't so much that they do it. It's that their dirty laundry is now out on display for the whole world because they're so indiscriminate and inept about it.

We'll all care a lot when the US loses its role as the world's information technology hub because our Government has put an asterisk next to every technology company based here.

Rigs11
10-29-2013, 09:15 AM
The point isn't so much that they do it. It's that their dirty laundry is now out on display for the whole world because they're so indiscriminate and inept about it.

We'll all care a lot when the US loses its role as the world's information technology hub because our Government has put an asterisk next to every technology company based here.

Wait what? i though you righties wanted transperancy?

cutthemdown
10-29-2013, 09:40 AM
It's not that we care what the world thinks, it's that we want to point out what BS it was that was used as a selling point for Obama.

Bronco Yoda
10-29-2013, 09:43 AM
Just one more reason to invest heavily in alternative energy sources. Do we really want to be forever tugged around by our short hairs by them.

Rigs11
10-29-2013, 11:23 AM
It's not that we care what the world thinks, it's that we want to point out what BS it was that was used as a selling point for Obama.

Which is what? that we wouldn't spy on anyone?

alkemical
10-29-2013, 11:35 AM
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180720.html

it seems the saudis have been busy, not just with the US

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 12:50 PM
Just one more reason to invest heavily in alternative energy sources. Do we really want to be forever tugged around by our short hairs by them.

Your meme needs a refresh.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-oil-pira-idUSL1N0I51IX20131015

W*GS
10-29-2013, 01:06 PM
Your meme needs a refresh.

Which country is the biggest producer of crude?

Rohirrim
10-29-2013, 01:12 PM
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180720.html

it seems the saudis have been busy, not just with the US

Maybe we're going to start drone striking the Sauds? Ha!

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 01:19 PM
Which country is the biggest producer of crude?

"(The U.S.) growth rate is greater than the sum of the growth of the next nine fastest growing countries combined and has covered most of the world's net demand growth over the past two years," PIRA Energy Group wrote.

"The U.S. position as the largest oil supplier in the world looks to be secure for many years," it added.

Wagsy's Malthusian Shoulder Angel just started weeping. :)

Fedaykin
10-29-2013, 02:07 PM
Your meme needs a refresh.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-oil-pira-idUSL1N0I51IX20131015

Yep, those poor energy development companies. Can't make a living in the U.S. because of all the terrible, terrible environmentalists!

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 02:18 PM
Yep, those poor energy development companies. Can't make a living in the U.S. because of all the terrible, terrible environmentalists!

But all those non-minimum-wage oil jockeys have unregulated carbon!

Don't they know we've got $7 an hour set up for them at a regular old McJob that would offend Gaia much less?

Smiling Assassin27
10-29-2013, 02:28 PM
Addition by subtraction.

W*GS
10-29-2013, 02:42 PM
Wagsy's Malthusian Shoulder Angel just started weeping. :)

Ya didn't even read the effing article...

Total liquids produced by the United States, which PIRA defined broadly to include supplies such as crude oil, condensate, natural gas liquids and biofuels, should average 12.1 million bpd in 2013, pushing it ahead of last year's No. 1 supplier, Saudi Arabia.

Output from the OPEC state also rose last year, but the gains lagged those from the United States, the consultancy said.

PIRA said the increase in oil from shale, which has been centered in areas such as Eagle Ford in Texas and the Bakken in North Dakota, has seen U.S. supply grow by 1 million bpd in 2012 and again 2013.

The United States still lagged both Saudi Arabia and Russia in production of just crude oil by abut 3 million bpd, PIRA noted. Rounding out the top 10 oil suppliers were China, Canada, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, and Mexico.

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 02:45 PM
Ya didn't even read the effing article...

No. I just didn't answer an irrelevant question.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

We can always count on old Confirmation Bias Wagsy to latch onto whatever (pathetically) negative angle he can scratch up. LOL

W*GS
10-29-2013, 03:02 PM
No. I just didn't answer an irrelevant question.[QUOTE]

Irrelevant? Not really.

[QUOTE]Did you read the post I was responding to?

Yes, I did. If one's argument depends on cherry-picking, it's not much of an argument.

We can always count on old Confirmation Bias Wagsy to latch onto whatever (pathetically) negative angle he can scratch up. LOL

We can always count on you to be intellectually dishonest. That's the Right Wing Way.

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 03:09 PM
Lolz.

Yoda: "We need to invest in alternative energy to get away from these guys!"

Beav "No we don't. Look at this. Our energy production is exploding. We're #1 overall"

Herpderp: "Buh Wuh 'bout jus duh Croodoyle. We steel not 'hed of duh Sowdis"

Beav "Uh ????"

Herpderp: Caynt yous read?

LOL


Did it occur to you that alternative energy pretty much excludes crude oil? You asked just about the most irrelevant question imaginable.

Bronco Yoda
10-29-2013, 03:20 PM
Your meme needs a refresh.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-oil-pira-idUSL1N0I51IX20131015

This changes nothing. The fact that you think it does is telling.

W*GS
10-29-2013, 03:30 PM
Did it occur to you that alternative energy pretty much excludes crude oil? You asked just about the most irrelevant question imaginable.

Yep, typical Beavis.

BroncoBeavis
10-29-2013, 03:41 PM
This changes nothing. The fact that you think it does is telling.

You think that our becoming the world's leading energy producer does nothing about our reliance on Saudi energy? Mmmmmmkay.