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Hotwheelz
10-09-2013, 09:25 PM
He's not. His economic policies are largely pro wall street. He's done very little in terms of environmental policy, campaign finance reform, illegal wiretapping and electronic privacy. He's consistently caved to republicans in budget negotiations. He's taken a free market approach to healthcare reform instead of fighting for single payer and he's bombed the **** out of other countries with drone strikes.

I voted for him in 2008 and regret it. Please stop assuming that liberals like Obama. If you want a true liberal look at people like Warren or Sanders.

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 07:13 AM
He's not. His economic policies are largely pro wall street. He's done very little in terms of environmental policy, campaign finance reform, illegal wiretapping and electronic privacy. He's consistently caved to republicans in budget negotiations. He's taken a free market approach to healthcare reform instead of fighting for single payer and he's bombed the **** out of other countries with drone strikes.

I voted for him in 2008 and regret it. Please stop assuming that liberals like Obama. If you want a true liberal look at people like Warren or Sanders.

QFT

El Minion
10-10-2013, 07:56 AM
Stop ruining a good Republican delusion with reality.

mhgaffney
10-10-2013, 08:06 AM
Good point.
The true liberal was.....Nixon.

Obama = Manchurian candidate (CIA stealth operator).

Eldorado
10-10-2013, 11:13 AM
Good point.
The true liberal was.....Nixon.

Obama = Manchurian candidate (CIA stealth operator).

Oh fvck YES!!!

barryr
10-10-2013, 11:33 AM
But every liberal, at least around here, would still vote for him. There are no liberals around here complaining much about any of those things, so they must find all of that acceptable.

Requiem
10-10-2013, 11:35 AM
Lol. Nobody is complaining? HAHA.

Pony Boy
10-10-2013, 11:44 AM
What part of Obama = big-assed ******* government do you not understand.

Government control of your life cradle to the grave.

Let the IRS run wild and give them complete control of everything including your healthcare.

Eavesdrop and spy on every aspect of daily life and remember all are guilty until proven innocent.

Tax Tax Tax Tax, spend spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow borrow, print print print and keep on printing money.

Blart
10-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Why? Liberal is a good definition for Obama.

He's pro-austerity (http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/09/news/economy/obama-deficit-reduction/index.html). He fights for privatization (http://www.alternet.org/economy/shocker-republicans-fight-obama-plan-privatize-hugely-popular-cheap-energy-source-tva). He believes in the free market (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50152437n).

In most sane countries, "liberals" align with conservative parties, or they are the conservative party. Examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venstre_%28Denmark%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia

Unlike every other 1st and 2nd world nation, America does not have a leftist party. We have a choice between capitalism or capitalism with gay rights.


In conclusion, **** liberals.

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Blart
10-10-2013, 12:38 PM
What part of Obama = big-assed ******* government do you not understand.


Which big-government are you referring to? The big government created by our founding fathers in 1787 to protect the interests of merchants, slave-holders and land speculators? The one that has given enormous subsidies to big business for over 200 years? The one that gave away hundreds of millions of acres to railroad tycoons? The one with a military budget that dwarfs Russia, China, the UK, France and Japan combined (http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/huffpo-20120208-militaryspendingUS.JPG)?

Or is it the big-government that, fearing rebellion in the 1930's, created social security, unemployment, subsidized housing, and work programs?

Just curious if you have an actual problem with the government's size, or if your problem is actually who the government serves.

BroncoBeavis
10-10-2013, 01:02 PM
Funny thing is that these kids believe that only their guys betray their ideology, while the other team's leaders are all 100% pure representations of the Conservative faith.

TonyR
10-10-2013, 01:10 PM
Let the IRS run wild and give them complete control of everything including your healthcare.

Do you have any clue what the IRS's actual role in ACA is? Because using the words "complete control of everything" suggests that you don't.

Blart
10-10-2013, 03:11 PM
Good graphic on why "liberal" is now seen as left, rather than right or center-right:

"Here we compare the policy mood in each state in the early 1960s (hollow dots) and in the early 2000s (solid dots). Higher values indicate a more conservative policy mood. In each instance, the solid dot is to the right of the hollow dot, suggesting that the publicís policy mood has moved in a conservative direction in every state. Furthermore, most of these increases are statistically significant."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2013/10/enns1.jpg


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/09/the-conservative-shift-in-public-opinion-has-happened-in-all-50-states/

Delaware is now one of the most liberal states, because it has gotten slightly more conservative.

frerottenextelway
10-10-2013, 04:05 PM
Disagree with 80% of the OP. It's like the fantasy libertarians live in, where everything you want can happen like turning a light switch. Our Founders built this gov't to have change happen slowly. It's frustrating when things are mostly on your side and not moving like you want, but it's also a framework that built this country to stand in the long haul. If Bernie Sanders was Pres, we wouldn't have single payer. That's not how it works. But there's no doubt this country has moved significantly Left in the past 5 years, on issues from health care to war, to human rights, and that is what matters.

Arkie
10-10-2013, 05:20 PM
Bush Wasnít a Conservative and Obama Isnít a Liberal (http://blog.independent.org/2013/05/28/bush-wasnt-a-conservative-and-obama-isnt-a-liberal/)

...but liberals vote for Obama and conservatives vote for Bush to play along with this charade.

mhgaffney
10-10-2013, 05:27 PM
Once again -- the board descends into the swamp of partisan rants --

The bottom line is that we have no true opposition party and have not had one for many years. Both parties are owned by the financial elite.

The result is a uni party -- with two wings.

Partisan squabbling distracts from the actual problem --

MHG

Hotwheelz
10-10-2013, 05:38 PM
Funny thing is that these kids believe that only their guys betray their ideology, while the other team's leaders are all 100% pure representations of the Conservative faith.

No, I know people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are radical right. I'd much rather vote for an old school conservative (any conservative from the West Wing) than Obama because at least they're drawing conclusions from facts.

pricejj
10-10-2013, 05:38 PM
ROFL!


Watch the rats jump off the sinking ship.


"I voted for him, but his Socialist policies aren't doing what he said they would."


Yeah, no joke. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

nyuk nyuk
10-10-2013, 05:47 PM
Since when were Democrats not pro-Wall Street?

Who do you think wants all that cheap illegal labor given amnesty?

Hotwheelz
10-10-2013, 07:03 PM
ROFL!


Watch the rats jump off the sinking ship.


"I voted for him, but his Socialist policies aren't doing what he said they would."


Yeah, no joke. Can't say I didn't warn ya!

No, you twat. His policies aren't liberal nor anywhere near socialist. They're moderately right wing (he cut SS). Current republicans just happen to be extremely right wing.

Can you not read?

B-Large
10-10-2013, 07:10 PM
Warren = Communist
Obama = Socialist
Christie = Liberal
Coburn = Blue Dog
Boehner = RINO

That's the reality in this day and age.... What a wacky world it is..

Rigs11
10-10-2013, 07:14 PM
Pony forgets that his heroes Raygun and Dubya both grew government and the debt

B-Large
10-10-2013, 07:18 PM
No, you twat. His policies aren't liberal nor anywhere near socialist. They're moderately right wing (he cut SS). Current republicans just happen to be extremely right wing.

Can you not read?

Obama is a left leaning centrist, that why he won, he appealed to independents who vote vote candidates that appeal to the centrists...

I laugh when I hear some mouth breather refer to Obama as a Socialist..

Hotwheelz
10-10-2013, 07:29 PM
Obama is a left leaning centrist, that why he won, he appealed to independents who vote vote candidates that appeal to the centrists...

I laugh when I hear some mouth breather refer to Obama as a Socialist..
He's left leaning on some issues like gay rights, but has made too many unnecessary concessions with house republicans for me to have any faith in him.

Pony Boy
10-11-2013, 06:26 AM
Pony forgets that his heroes Raygun and Dubya both grew government and the debt


The Obama pledge to "get our spending under control"........ROFL!

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frerottenextelway
10-11-2013, 07:08 AM
Since when were Democrats not pro-Wall Street?

Who do you think wants all that cheap illegal labor given amnesty?

What does that have to do with Wall Street? And I'm pretty sure Dems want the minimum wage at $15, so whatever thought was going through your head can't make the least bit of sense.

frerottenextelway
10-11-2013, 07:12 AM
He's left leaning on some issues like gay rights, but has made too many unnecessary concessions with house republicans for me to have any faith in him.

I always hear that, but what real concession has he made? I always hear about talks about SS & Medicare, but in 5 years not one concession has actually been made (except for a historic enhancement of Medicade). I guess the one thing you can point to is the sequester, but half of that is military. A concession that finally starts to gut the MIC, something that was thought impossible, isn't all bad IMO.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-11-2013, 08:00 AM
The Obama pledge to "get our spending under control"........ROFL!



Phony Boy: "Concerned" about spending since 2009.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-11-2013, 08:03 AM
Who do you think wants all that cheap illegal labor given amnesty?

Answer: Your pals the cheap labor conservatives.

Follow the money, Drama Llama. :wave:

B-Large
10-11-2013, 08:37 AM
He's left leaning on some issues like gay rights, but has made too many unnecessary concessions with house republicans for me to have any faith in him.

that's fine and all, but you have to keep in mind most of America is still center with a lean to the right. Unless you have supermajorities in congress and hodl the Executive Office, you will have to make concessions, because that is how it is designed to work.

Pony Boy
10-11-2013, 09:23 AM
Phony Boy: "Concerned" about spending since 2009.

Brilliant post lounge lizard ...... ROFL!

Blart
10-11-2013, 09:34 AM
Since when were Democrats not pro-Wall Street?


Truth.

Warren = Communist
Obama = Socialist
Christie = Liberal
Coburn = Blue Dog
Boehner = RINO


B-Large = AM radio political theorist.


Name one "communist" policy pushed by Warren. Name one "socialist" policy enacted by Obama.

misturanderson
10-11-2013, 10:25 AM
B-Large = AM radio political theorist.


Name one "communist" policy pushed by Warren. Name one "socialist" policy enacted by Obama.

Maybe you should re-read his post. Most notably the part after what you quoted.

Here's his next post:
Obama is a left leaning centrist, that why he won, he appealed to independents who vote vote candidates that appeal to the centrists...

I laugh when I hear some mouth breather refer to Obama as a Socialist..

Blart
10-11-2013, 10:28 AM
Stupid me not reading the whole thread, sorry B-Large

B-Large
10-11-2013, 10:29 AM
Truth.



B-Large = AM radio political theorist.


Name one "communist" policy pushed by Warren. Name one "socialist" policy enacted by Obama.

It was supposed to be humorous commentary about the State of Right Wing politics...

B-Large
10-11-2013, 10:31 AM
Stupid me not reading the whole thread, sorry B-Large

lol, you should have known right away when Tom Coburn = Blue Dog Democrat...lol, but some wing nuts believe it...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-12-2013, 01:58 AM
Brilliant post lounge lizard ...... ROFL!

Thanks for confirming that my observation about you was on target. :wave: