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Guess Who
10-09-2013, 06:55 PM
http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/community-contest-rebrand-washington-redskins-253079

Some good designs here. They could keep the "R" in their name and go with Renegades or Redtails

http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27875363~47a8e2a77000a16b9629f9dd3b02a51569e398ba-original

http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27838278~320336b1d08060ab94513ea5b52706b37180c3fc-original

I really like this uniform.

http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27835071~7bc7534e7c23b1260e249cefd7d82884836a4841-original

Guess Who
10-09-2013, 06:56 PM
http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27758587~2c6160a51ccda8d154e27d793badcc39e637a173-original

BroncosfanGuy
10-09-2013, 06:57 PM
Bearcats

Guess Who
10-09-2013, 06:59 PM
Bearcats

You think they would pick a college name? That could be a cool logo though.

The Redtails could catch on because they were black fighter pilots in WWII. Bad mother****ers!!!

BroncosfanGuy
10-09-2013, 06:59 PM
You think they would pick a college name?

if not then howabout Philanthropists?

Guess Who
10-09-2013, 07:01 PM
if not then howabout Philanthropists?

nah too retro

DomCasual
10-09-2013, 07:07 PM
How about Washington Native Americans?

Can anyone mock up a logo? I think it has a catchy ring to it!

oubronco
10-09-2013, 07:13 PM
How about the Washington Redskins and the damn do gooders just grow the **** up

Archer81
10-09-2013, 07:13 PM
Washington ManBearPigs.


:Broncos:

StugotsIII
10-09-2013, 07:14 PM
if not then howabout Philanthropists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JcFtXnQwm8

ColoradoDarin
10-09-2013, 07:14 PM
The DC Tea Party - then they could have as mascot a bunch of white men dressed up as.....

gunns
10-09-2013, 07:15 PM
Washington Congress. They'd be the worst team in the league and a major target.

Abqbronco
10-09-2013, 07:20 PM
How about the fighting whities? There was some Native American high school that did that. I'm white and I approve of this name.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-09-2013, 07:30 PM
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/08/im-guessing-you-wouldnt-wear-a-new-york-jews-or-san-francisco-chinamen-cap/


I'm all for these!

Punisher
10-09-2013, 07:41 PM
The Washington Racists. I think the R should still stay to

Vegas_Bronco
10-09-2013, 07:51 PM
Washington Porkbellies...squeel like a pig.

delany
10-09-2013, 08:03 PM
Somebody, somewhere, for some reason will have a problem with Redtails.

broncosteven
10-09-2013, 08:06 PM
Washington Congress. They'd be the worst team in the league and a major target.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Washington Lobbyists, they could make their logo a briefcase full of money and change their colors to the color of money.

broncolife
10-09-2013, 08:06 PM
Washington Foreskins

SonOfLe-loLang
10-09-2013, 08:07 PM
The red tails is a pretty sweet name. But those didnt originate there right?

maven
10-09-2013, 08:17 PM
I like Redskins................

Archer81
10-09-2013, 08:19 PM
I like Redskins................


So raycis...


:Broncos:

broncosteven
10-09-2013, 08:23 PM
So raycis...


:Broncos:

Washington NWA's?

Archer81
10-09-2013, 08:25 PM
Washington NWA's?


Washington Zombies.


:Broncos:

Rohirrim
10-09-2013, 08:34 PM
It should be something that relates to the geography of the region, like The Washington Swampthings.

broncosteven
10-09-2013, 08:47 PM
It should be something that relates to the geography of the region, like The Washington Swampthings.

The way they are playing they should be called the Arlington Cemeteries

huh??
10-09-2013, 08:59 PM
Somebody, somewhere, for some reason will have a problem with Redtails.

I think the respective advocacy groups for the following animals would have a problem...
http://www.erdingtonaquatics.com/imagetropical/redtail.jpg

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/PHOTO/LARGE/red_tailed_hawk_glamor.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQs_6KHcUuPCnGJlou_sUues7rrIJdqF Wy-heSVMGHunR9EaSzgkA

http://ih3.redbubble.net/image.5493235.7245/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

http://www.ag.auburn.edu/fish/mediagallery/files/2013/08/342.jpg

http://m7.i.pbase.com/g6/38/391838/2/77239637.T0VYUIag.jpg

FISH
10-09-2013, 09:01 PM
Washington Shut-Downs

Arkie
10-09-2013, 09:05 PM
http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Less-Offensive-Redskins-Logos-5.jpg

RhymesayersDU
10-09-2013, 09:09 PM
Washington Tomahawk Chuckers

*WARHORSE*
10-09-2013, 09:12 PM
Washington Warthogs?

Washington Wallflowers?

Washington Wagonpullers?

Washingtonians?

Washington Maytags?

Washington Washers?

Washington Whalers?

Washington Whistlers?

Washington Wughumpers?

Washington Diplomats?

Washington Georges?

Washington Wastewatertreatmentplants?

Washing Tons?


Just a few from my fridge..........

AlphaOmega
10-09-2013, 09:23 PM
How about the fighting whities? There was some Native American high school that did that. I'm white and I approve of this name.

http://buffalopost.net/wp-content/uploads/fightinwhites.png

The Fighting Whites!! Don't worry! Every thang is gonna be all white!!

Natedogg
10-09-2013, 09:41 PM
http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Less-Offensive-Redskins-Logos-5.jpg

Pfft!! loloool

(I think Washington Potomacs, with the same indian face is the best bet)

BroncoMan4ever
10-09-2013, 10:12 PM
How about the Washington Go****Yourselves?

this bull**** about a name change on a team that has been around something like 75 years is stupid. these politically correct people need to shut the **** up and complain about something else. And ****tard Obama can go **** himself too. I am sure there are a lot more pressing needs that need his attention but he is flapping his mouth about the Redskins.

BroncoMan4ever
10-09-2013, 10:14 PM
http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Less-Offensive-Redskins-Logos-5.jpg

i don't see any difference hmmm...hmmm...

Kaylore
10-09-2013, 10:52 PM
http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Less-Offensive-Redskins-Logos-5.jpg

That's pretty funny. And I would love a New York Jew hat.

They should name them the Washington Swamp Things, because DC was built on a swamp.

Or maybe the Washington Compromises since the city was a compromise between the North and South.

Or the Washington Dentures in honor of the man himself.

strafen
10-09-2013, 10:57 PM
Washington Redskin and the rest of the political correct world can go and **** themselves, period!

DomCasual
10-09-2013, 11:08 PM
The Furloughs of Washington! I like that it mixes things up a little.

Lestat
10-09-2013, 11:21 PM
I sincerely hope that they tell the idiots demanding a name change to go **** themselves.
The Washington Redskins are as synonymous with their name as the Lakers,Yankees,Red Wings,Steelers. You don't **** with that type of tradition.

loborugger
10-09-2013, 11:27 PM
How about Washington Native Americans?

Can anyone mock up a logo? I think it has a catchy ring to it!

not a lobo original... how about the Potomac River Basin Indigenous People?

or since Obama weighed in on this - while his govt is currently closed - the Washington Bread & Circuses.

LongDongJohnson
10-10-2013, 12:40 AM
Washington deadskins

ZONA
10-10-2013, 12:49 AM
It's not going to change. Why do we even do this.

Ratboy
10-10-2013, 01:30 AM
if not then howabout Philanthropists?

Full on rapists?

cutthemdown
10-10-2013, 01:31 AM
It should be something that relates to the geography of the region, like The Washington Swampthings.

Duh Washington Republicans. They either win or refuse to play the 4th quarter.

Ratboy
10-10-2013, 01:31 AM
Redtails is a legit name.

cutthemdown
10-10-2013, 01:38 AM
How about the Washington Rats! you could make a cool logo, mean ass rat. It fits as the city filled with rats. Also you keep the R in the logo as it still starts with an R. Problem solved.

cutthemdown
10-10-2013, 01:39 AM
Not to mention rats hard to kill off, can chew threw anything, and will eat there own when the time comes, just like the NFL does when a player gets old.

elsid13
10-10-2013, 03:59 AM
I figured the would go with the Washington Warriors and reuse the spear helmet they showed a couple of years ago as part of their throwback uniforms. Same color scheme and logo is tied to the past, but isn't as much of problem as the current name.

Agamemnon
10-10-2013, 04:32 AM
It should be something that relates to the geography of the region, like The Washington Swampthings.

Washington Mosquitoes

GreatBronco16
10-10-2013, 04:40 AM
Look, move the team to somewhere here in Alabama, except Birmingham, and call them the Alabama Rednecks. Done.:)

2KBack
10-10-2013, 05:15 AM
Look, move the team to somewhere here in Alabama, except Birmingham, and call them the Alabama Rednecks. Done.:)

No need to move, we have plenty of rednecks surrounding DC

ElwayMD
10-10-2013, 05:32 AM
The Washington Beltway Traffic would be a good name for their offense right now. They hardly go full speed and take 3 hours to get to the end and are frustrated when they get there.

Ray Finkle
10-10-2013, 05:43 AM
How about the Washington Bullets?

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 05:45 AM
Duh Washington Republicans. They either win or refuse to play the 4th quarter.

LOL

ColoradoDarin
10-10-2013, 05:52 AM
The DC Corrupt

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 06:48 AM
How about the Washington Go****Yourselves?

this bull**** about a name change on a team that has been around something like 75 years is stupid. these politically correct people need to shut the **** up and complain about something else. And ****tard Obama can go **** himself too. I am sure there are a lot more pressing needs that need his attention but he is flapping his mouth about the Redskins.

Lots of anger. What does it matter to you?

And Obama was asked the question, retard. "DURR AH DON'T KNOW HURR DURR" would have been an acceptable answer from our last President, but when you're asked you're expected to answer.

As for the name, it doesn't make a lick of difference to me, though it IS a racist slur. It has ALWAYS been a racist slur. And there's no way to use the word that isn't a racist slur. I have friends who are NA who want the name changed, and I have friends who don't care. Personally, I think it would be the right thing to do to change the name (I like Redtails or Warriors best), but if they don't I'm certainly not going to get all argle bargle like you just did.

SPORTSWRITER
10-10-2013, 06:48 AM
Washington Foreskins

I really can't imagine many folks digging on the "Foreskins," unless there are lots of Jewish fans in DC!!

Bronco X
10-10-2013, 07:00 AM
Washington Rainbowskins

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 07:01 AM
Lots of anger. What does it matter to you?

And Obama was asked the question, retard. "DURR AH DON'T KNOW HURR DURR" would have been an acceptable answer from our last President, but when you're asked you're expected to answer.

As for the name, it doesn't make a lick of difference to me, though it IS a racist slur. It has ALWAYS been a racist slur. And there's no way to use the word that isn't a racist slur. I have friends who are NA who want the name changed, and I have friends who don't care. Personally, I think it would be the right thing to do to change the name (I like Redtails or Warriors best), but if they don't I'm certainly not going to get all argle bargle like you just did.

Yep. Redtails would be a good name. They could have a hawk on their helmets.

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:10 AM
Lots of anger. What does it matter to you?

And Obama was asked the question, retard. "DURR AH DON'T KNOW HURR DURR" would have been an acceptable answer from our last President, but when you're asked you're expected to answer.

As for the name, it doesn't make a lick of difference to me, though it IS a racist slur. It has ALWAYS been a racist slur. And there's no way to use the word that isn't a racist slur. I have friends who are NA who want the name changed, and I have friends who don't care. Personally, I think it would be the right thing to do to change the name (I like Redtails or Warriors best), but if they don't I'm certainly not going to get all argle bargle like you just did.

No, it has not always been a racist slur. Much like the word negro, it was just a distinguisher for a group of people. Redskin or negro was a descriptor. It took on racial overtones later, and became slurs.

Redtails in a way is like Redskin. It was a name given to a specific group of people based on race. In this instance, Warriors is probably the best one presented it is not race specific and is not exactly offensive...at least I hope it isnt.

:Broncos:

Old Dude
10-10-2013, 07:20 AM
I doubt they'll change, but if they do it will probably be the Hogs.

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 07:20 AM
No, it has not always been a racist slur. Much like the word negro, it was just a distinguisher for a group of people. Redskin or negro was a descriptor. It took on racial overtones later, and became slurs.

Redtails in a way is like Redskin. It was a name given to a specific group of people based on race. In this instance, Warriors is probably the best one presented it is not race specific and is not exactly offensive...at least I hope it isnt.

:Broncos:

Or the U of Hawaii is in trouble. ;D

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:27 AM
Or the U of Hawaii is in trouble. ;D


When I was growing up I went to Middle School at Quantico, Virginia. The middle school and high school were in the same building. The school mascot was the Devil Dogs. I go back to Va after graduating HS in PA and they changed the mascot to the Warriors.

So lame.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 07:37 AM
When I was growing up I went to Middle School at Quantico, Virginia. The middle school and high school were in the same building. The school mascot was the Devil Dogs. I go back to Va after graduating HS in PA and they changed the mascot to the Warriors.

So lame.

:Broncos:

My high school team was the Mighty Mohicans. Now, it's the Panthers.

crush17
10-10-2013, 07:39 AM
Why don't the just call themselves The Hogs and be done w/it??

2KBack
10-10-2013, 07:44 AM
there's no way to use the word that isn't a racist slur.

What about Redskin Potatoes

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:46 AM
Why don't the just call themselves The Hogs and be done w/it??


In a city known for bloated spending bills, it could fit. But it might offend the sensibilities of our esteemed members of the political class. Or as they like to call themselves, our betters.


:Broncos:

Bronco Yoda
10-10-2013, 08:22 AM
Washington Reagans & their Trickle Down Offense.

Requiem
10-10-2013, 08:27 AM
There are connotations and denotations associated with all words. To act as if the term "Redskin" wasn't used in a pejorative sense to demean natives is bogus.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 08:28 AM
What about Redskin Potatoes

Potato =/= person. It's a person on the logo.

2KBack
10-10-2013, 08:53 AM
Potato =/= person. It's a person on the logo.

Just saying...it is a way the word can be used that isn't a slur. Honestly it's easy to not be a slur.....despite origins, words do change over time. Yankee was originally an insult, and now it only is in Boston.

Now I understand being a hetero white male I am the devil and the actions of my ancestors (which includes vikings) has nullified my opinion on civil rights and social correctness, but I've had many friends of the non-evil races as well, and honestly I think most people really don't give a crap. The Silent majority of minorities.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 09:03 AM
How about Washington Native Americans?

Can anyone mock up a logo? I think it has a catchy ring to it!

I got one. BTW, 90% of Indians don't want the name changed. Who in the **** uses the name/slur "Redskins" to describe an Indian?"

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 09:18 AM
http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Less-Offensive-Redskins-Logos-5.jpg

Not red enough for Shanny.

LonghornBronco
10-10-2013, 09:20 AM
Washington Renegades
Razorbacks

SonOfLe-loLang
10-10-2013, 09:30 AM
No, it has not always been a racist slur. Much like the word negro, it was just a distinguisher for a group of people. Redskin or negro was a descriptor. It took on racial overtones later, and became slurs.

Redtails in a way is like Redskin. It was a name given to a specific group of people based on race. In this instance, Warriors is probably the best one presented it is not race specific and is not exactly offensive...at least I hope it isnt.

:Broncos:

There is no equal to redtail and redskin. Yes, redtails were an all black unit, but, to my knowledge, their decision to paint their tails red had nothing to do with their race specifically. Plus, the redtails are a group that should be celebrated! They are war heroes.

I don't get why there's such ANGER by some toward changing the name. We're still a deeply racist society, and if we're making movements towards some kind of post-racial existence, then these types of things should happen. Not every tradition is good.

And if you bring up the "some native american high schools have the name" argument, its because they've taken ownership of it and decided to do that themselves. Its not like predominantly white highschools are keeping a redskin name. Its just not the same.

Beej
10-10-2013, 09:32 AM
I like Redtails, cuz they get spanked a lot.

DenverDynamite
10-10-2013, 09:44 AM
I can see both sides of this. I've never personally had a problem with the name. Growing-up I never even considered it racist. I've read in a survey taken back in 2004 that 90% of Native Americans polled have no issue with the name 'Redskins'. My wife who is a card carrying member of the Cherokee Nation would fit into that group as well. However, would anyone on this board ever feel comfortable walking into a bar on a reservation and calling out everyone in the room as a bunch of Redskins?

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 09:48 AM
I can see both sides of this. I've never personally had a problem with the name. Growing-up I never even considered it racist. I've read in a survey taken back in 2004 that 90% of Native Americans polled have no issue with the name 'Redskins'. My wife who is a card carrying member of the Cherokee Nation would fit into that group as well. However, would anyone on this board ever feel comfortable walking into a bar on a reservation and calling out everyone in the room as a bunch of Redskins?

Would anyone feel comfortable going into an Indian bar and calling them a bunch of fags? Anything coming out of your mouth in that way would get your ass kicked.

Seriously, when was the last time anyone heard someone call an Indian a "Redskin" in a deragatory way? It is only used as a football team name. Every other detail of Redskin is gone.

DenverDynamite
10-10-2013, 09:50 AM
Would anyone feel comfortable going into an Indian bar and calling them a bunch of fags? Anything coming out of your mouth in that way would get your ass kicked.

Seriously, when was the last time anyone heard someone call an Indian a "Redskin" in a deragatory way? It is only used as a football team name. Every other detail of Redskin is gone.

That was my point though, most people, myself and clearly you as well wouldn't feel comfortable doing it because you'd get your ass kicked. What does that say about the name itself then?

2KBack
10-10-2013, 09:54 AM
That was my point though, most people, myself and clearly you as well wouldn't feel comfortable doing it because you'd get your ass kicked. What does that say about the name itself then?

I highly doubt you would get your ass kicked for discussing the Washington Redskins though.

DenverDynamite
10-10-2013, 09:57 AM
I highly doubt you would get your ass kicked for discussing the Washington Redskins though.

I would agree with that. I'm just on the fence on this one. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. It's up to Synder whether the name will change or not, as it should be.

Archer81
10-10-2013, 10:01 AM
There is no equal to redtail and redskin. Yes, redtails were an all black unit, but, to my knowledge, their decision to paint their tails red had nothing to do with their race specifically. Plus, the redtails are a group that should be celebrated! They are war heroes.

I don't get why there's such ANGER by some toward changing the name. We're still a deeply racist society, and if we're making movements towards some kind of post-racial existence, then these types of things should happen. Not every tradition is good.

And if you bring up the "some native american high schools have the name" argument, its because they've taken ownership of it and decided to do that themselves. Its not like predominantly white highschools are keeping a redskin name. Its just not the same.

I do not believe we are a deeply racist society. I think we are a society abnormally hung up on race. We refuse to have open debates on the topic, and if someone tries they are labeled racist if they have an opinion that deviates from what is deemed politically correct.

I have no problem with a native american group calling themselves whatever the hell they want. I wouldnt care if a predominantly white highschool does the same. A team calling themselves Braves or Chiefs or Indians or using specific tribal names should not be even in the thought process as racism. It's part of our history, isnt it?

Redskin, however is racist. It did not start out that way, but that is what it morphed into. The team name should change, but truthfully I dont care if they change it or not. It's not my team, I'm not a fan of theirs so I could care less.

And I was not comparing Redtails/Redskins because of the use of the word Red. Both specify a group based on race. If you are talking redskins, it is a reference to American Indians. Redtails is a reference to black fighter pilots. It's the same thing, even if one is positive and the other is not. That is what I was referring to.

We need to stop whitewashing (raycis!!!) our past, and it seems to go to two extremes. Either we erase all traces of race and sterilize the discussion, or inject modern takes into historical paradigms and judge it on modern morals. History does not work that way, and when you do that to history you open up the danger for the real evils of racial and religious conflict to happen again.

So again I reiterate...Washington should go with Warriors if they want to avoid offending anyone. Or ManBearPigs.

:Broncos:

Irish Stout
10-10-2013, 10:02 AM
I can see both sides of this. I've never personally had a problem with the name. Growing-up I never even considered it racist. I've read in a survey taken back in 2004 that 90% of Native Americans polled have no issue with the name 'Redskins'. My wife who is a card carrying member of the Cherokee Nation would fit into that group as well. However, would anyone on this board ever feel comfortable walking into a bar on a reservation and calling out everyone in the room as a bunch of Redskins?

If you walked into a trailer park barred and yelled out "Hey rednecks" they'd probably all cheer loudly... but would they do so if it were a black person?

Personally, I don't give a **** what people call me. Of course I am white and male, so I don't really have any oppressed history.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 10:10 AM
That was my point though, most people, myself and clearly you as well wouldn't feel comfortable doing it because you'd get your ass kicked. What does that say about the name itself then?

No, that is not the point. My rebuttal was to go into a bar all angry and say anything. No one ever yells, "Redskin" but if you go in all pissed off, of course they will be taking it in a derogatory way. Go in there and call the Indians "Mongals" or make up a word and yell "Damn Daboodles" and see what happens. Probably the same thing.

If this wasn't an issue right now (and really it isn't except media picks up on the small minority), most wouldn't know about the word except it is a football team name.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 10:12 AM
So again I reiterate...Washington should go with Warriors if they want to avoid offending anyone. Or ManBearPigs.

:Broncos:

Sorry but the peaceniks will be offended.

Irish Stout
10-10-2013, 10:13 AM
I like the name redtails, it could go to anything too. Like a fox or a hawk or a fighter plane. They're all pretty cool "predators". Of course, I think there are way too many bird logos in the NFL, with the Falcons, Eagles, Seahawks, Ravens, Cardinals...

Rick Reily wrote a decent piece recently about not changing the name, and the main thing I agree with him on is that it shouldn't be "white" people who are upset over the use of the name and that appears to be the main backers of a change of the name. Seems like more Native Americans have more issue with chiefs fans dressing up and the tomahawk chop.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds

I hate chiefs fans.

TheReverend
10-10-2013, 10:20 AM
I can't believe people STILL care enough for this topic to go for multiple pages.

Archer81
10-10-2013, 10:22 AM
I like the name redtails, it could go to anything too. Like a fox or a hawk or a fighter plane. They're all pretty cool "predators". Of course, I think there are way too many bird logos in the NFL, with the Falcons, Eagles, Seahawks, Ravens, Cardinals...

Rick Reily wrote a decent piece recently about not changing the name, and the main thing I agree with him on is that it shouldn't be "white" people who are upset over the use of the name and that appears to be the main backers of a change of the name. Seems like more Native Americans have more issue with chiefs fans dressing up and the tomahawk chop.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds

I hate chiefs fans.


The Eagles-Chiefs game in Philly was interesting. They kept going to a Chiefs bar in Philly, and those drunken assholes were doing the warchant and tomahawk chop...nothing screams racism like white people going woowoowoo and chopping their arms in the air.

:Broncos:

Archer81
10-10-2013, 10:22 AM
I can't believe people STILL care enough for this topic to go for multiple pages.


This is the Mane. We all care just enough to get the final word in.

:Broncos:

Irish Stout
10-10-2013, 10:34 AM
The Eagles-Chiefs game in Philly was interesting. They kept going to a Chiefs bar in Philly, and those drunken a-holes were doing the warchant and tomahawk chop...nothing screams racism like white people going woowoowoo and chopping their arms in the air.

:Broncos:

Yeah, thats bad. I know most people don't seem to care, but their butchering of the national anthem drives me bonkers as well. Also, if you ever go to a KC Broncos game and the Broncos lose, expect their fans to be even bigger pricks than normal. They are the sourest bunch of winners I have ever seen in any situation. They'll throw full beer cans at you in the praking lots, hee-haw at you , flash their weiners at you (happened to me multiple times and makes no ****ing sense), and generally attempt to be the biggest bag of turds we could possibly have in this country.

TheReverend
10-10-2013, 10:40 AM
This is the Mane. We all care just enough to get the final word in.

:Broncos:

Guilty as charged.

BowlenBall
10-10-2013, 10:41 AM
It's silly to pretend that "Redskins" is not a racist term.

As silly as arguing that universal healthcare is a bad thing.

Guess Who
10-10-2013, 10:44 AM
I got one. BTW, 90% of Indians don't want the name changed. Who in the **** uses the name/slur "Redskins" to describe an Indian?"

Link?

Guess Who
10-10-2013, 10:46 AM
I do not believe we are a deeply racist society. I think we are a society abnormally hung up on race. We refuse to have open debates on the topic, and if someone tries they are labeled racist if they have an opinion that deviates from what is deemed politically correct.

I have no problem with a native american group calling themselves whatever the hell they want. I wouldnt care if a predominantly white highschool does the same. A team calling themselves Braves or Chiefs or Indians or using specific tribal names should not be even in the thought process as racism. It's part of our history, isnt it?

Redskin, however is racist. It did not start out that way, but that is what it morphed into. The team name should change, but truthfully I dont care if they change it or not. It's not my team, I'm not a fan of theirs so I could care less.

And I was not comparing Redtails/Redskins because of the use of the word Red. Both specify a group based on race. If you are talking redskins, it is a reference to American Indians. Redtails is a reference to black fighter pilots. It's the same thing, even if one is positive and the other is not. That is what I was referring to.

We need to stop whitewashing (raycis!!!) our past, and it seems to go to two extremes. Either we erase all traces of race and sterilize the discussion, or inject modern takes into historical paradigms and judge it on modern morals. History does not work that way, and when you do that to history you open up the danger for the real evils of racial and religious conflict to happen again.

So again I reiterate...Washington should go with Warriors if they want to avoid offending anyone. Or ManBearPigs.

:Broncos:

I like Warriors or Renegades and they have some cool logos and would sell a ton of merchandise!

DenverDynamite
10-10-2013, 10:49 AM
No, that is not the point. My rebuttal was to go into a bar all angry and say anything. No one ever yells, "Redskin" but if you go in all pissed off, of course they will be taking it in a derogatory way. Go in there and call the Indians "Mongals" or make up a word and yell "Damn Daboodles" and see what happens. Probably the same thing.

If this wasn't an issue right now (and really it isn't except media picks up on the small minority), most wouldn't know about the word except it is a football team name.

Who says anything about acting angry? The name is a label, one that can be construed (whether you personally think so or not) as a racist one. That said, you wouldn't feel comfortable walking into a bar or approaching someone on the street and calling them that name good natured, angry, or otherwise.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-10-2013, 10:50 AM
I do not believe we are a deeply racist society. I think we are a society abnormally hung up on race. We refuse to have open debates on the topic, and if someone tries they are labeled racist if they have an opinion that deviates from what is deemed politically correct.

I have no problem with a native american group calling themselves whatever the hell they want. I wouldnt care if a predominantly white highschool does the same. A team calling themselves Braves or Chiefs or Indians or using specific tribal names should not be even in the thought process as racism. It's part of our history, isnt it?

Redskin, however is racist. It did not start out that way, but that is what it morphed into. The team name should change, but truthfully I dont care if they change it or not. It's not my team, I'm not a fan of theirs so I could care less.

And I was not comparing Redtails/Redskins because of the use of the word Red. Both specify a group based on race. If you are talking redskins, it is a reference to American Indians. Redtails is a reference to black fighter pilots. It's the same thing, even if one is positive and the other is not. That is what I was referring to.

We need to stop whitewashing (raycis!!!) our past, and it seems to go to two extremes. Either we erase all traces of race and sterilize the discussion, or inject modern takes into historical paradigms and judge it on modern morals. History does not work that way, and when you do that to history you open up the danger for the real evils of racial and religious conflict to happen again.

So again I reiterate...Washington should go with Warriors if they want to avoid offending anyone. Or ManBearPigs.

:Broncos:

We can agree to disagree on our thoughts on the level of racism within our society. As compared to 100 years ago, society has obviously taken great strides, but we're far from a post racial society that some suggest. I, do, however, think the natural progression of acceptance from generation to generation will get us there eventually (even if eventually is a thousand years from now).

I do wonder if there would be any pushback to redtails. I personally don't have a problem with names like Chiefs, Braves, even indians (though chief wahoo really ought to go), and I think Redtails would be even a step beyond that because its celebrating a group of war heroes that overcame prejudice, though I understand Redtails is still viewed through the prism of race. I dont think it would be controversial though.

I think the name Warriors sucks. It reeks of "we cant think of anything else"

HILife
10-10-2013, 10:53 AM
How about the Washington Go****Yourselves?

this bull**** about a name change on a team that has been around something like 75 years is stupid. these politically correct people need to shut the **** up and complain about something else. And ****tard Obama can go **** himself too. I am sure there are a lot more pressing needs that need his attention but he is flapping his mouth about the Redskins.

ooooorrrrrrr you could just be a dumb ass.

HILife
10-10-2013, 10:55 AM
I sincerely hope that they tell the idiots demanding a name change to go **** themselves.
The Washington Redskins are as synonymous with their name as the Lakers,Yankees,Red Wings,Steelers. You don't **** with that type of tradition.

Wrong is wrong, no matter how long it's been around. All that means is it's been wrong for a very long time. If the group that represents Native Americans don't like it, maybe, just maybe, it's wrong.

Archer81
10-10-2013, 10:59 AM
We can agree to disagree on our thoughts on the level of racism within our society. As compared to 100 years ago, society has obviously taken great strides, but we're far from a post racial society that some suggest. I, do, however, think the natural progression of acceptance from generation to generation will get us there eventually (even if eventually is a thousand years from now).

I do wonder if there would be any pushback to redtails. I personally don't have a problem with names like Chiefs, Braves, even indians (though chief wahoo really ought to go), and I think Redtails would be even a step beyond that because its celebrating a group of war heroes that overcame prejudice, though I understand Redtails is still viewed through the prism of race. I dont think it would be controversial though.

I think the name Warriors sucks. It reeks of "we cant think of anything else"

It's Washington DC, man. They cant think of anything else.

:Broncos:

maven
10-10-2013, 10:59 AM
I do wonder if there would be any pushback to redtails.

Red Tails sounds stupid. Go Red Tails!!!! woohoooooo, nope. I would hate that if I was a redskin fan.

Warriors is played out.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 11:00 AM
Who says anything about acting angry? The name is a label, one that can be construed (whether you personally think so or not) as a racist one. That said, you wouldn't feel comfortable walking into a bar or approaching someone on the street and calling them that name good natured, angry, or otherwise.

But you are pulling a name out that hasn't been used in eons. You are not talking about some old ladies talking and saying to their geezer friends back in 1974, "Oh, that negro boy down the street helps me mow my lawn every week." You are talking about coming into a bar all pissed off. Of course they would be mad because they know the intend of the person. As I stated, he could yell anything at them and they would probably take it the same way." He is an asshole.

GreatBronco16
10-10-2013, 11:02 AM
Redskins.


Just seeing if Taco has changed the forum to not allow this word anymore.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 11:07 AM
Link?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/08/native-americans-tackle-redskins-at-press-conference/


Let me know when the last time anyone has used the word "Redskin" as a derogatory name. Only thing that lives from the word Redskin is a football team name and nothing else.

HILife
10-10-2013, 11:08 AM
This is the Mane. We all care just enough to get the final word in.

:Broncos:

Last word.

mhgaffney
10-10-2013, 11:10 AM
or the fetid stink of the Potomac on a hot afternoon...

SonOfLe-loLang
10-10-2013, 11:19 AM
Red Tails sounds stupid. Go Red Tails!!!! woohoooooo, nope. I would hate that if I was a redskin fan.

Warriors is played out.

Call em the tails!

BroncoMan4ever
10-10-2013, 11:49 AM
Lots of anger. What does it matter to you?

And Obama was asked the question, retard. "DURR AH DON'T KNOW HURR DURR" would have been an acceptable answer from our last President, but when you're asked you're expected to answer.



at least no one expected anything of Bush. Obama's eloquence made him seem intelligent and like a guy who can accomplish things. Instead it was just candy coating on a turd.

barryr
10-10-2013, 11:53 AM
Until the majority of the Indian community speaks out against the use of this name, which would be odd to wait 75 years later, then this isn't an issue IMO. People, especially the WH, should worry about more important things these days.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-10-2013, 12:03 PM
Until the majority of the Indian community speaks out against the use of this name, which would be odd to wait 75 years later, then this isn't an issue IMO. People, especially the WH, should worry about more important things these days.

Again, he was asked.

ColoradoDarin
10-10-2013, 12:06 PM
Again, he was asked.

And if he was intelligent he would have said, "What a ridiculous question, I have better things to do as president. Next."

barryr
10-10-2013, 12:06 PM
Again, he was asked.

So what? Obama hasn't answered many questions, much less even taken questions much of the time, but this is one he decides to answer?

DenverDynamite
10-10-2013, 12:29 PM
But you are pulling a name out that hasn't been used in eons. You are not talking about some old ladies talking and saying to their geezer friends back in 1974, "Oh, that negro boy down the street helps me mow my lawn every week." You are talking about coming into a bar all pissed off. Of course they would be mad because they know the intend of the person. As I stated, he could yell anything at them and they would probably take it the same way." He is an a-hole.

Dude, again, I never said ANYTHING about a specific context of using the term Redskins in a bar on a reservation. I just said no one would be comfortable addressing someone of Native American descent as a 'redskin' and I used a bar simply as the setting. And seriously, if the name 'redskins' is such an antiquated term as you suggest, why did they name the team that in the first place and stick a freaking Indian on the side of the helmet?
Again, I really don't have a horse in this race. Overall, I'm fine with the name redskins, but then again, I'm a white guy and I haven't walked in the shoes of those who might take issue with it.

JimmyFocus
10-10-2013, 01:16 PM
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/08/native-americans-tackle-redskins-at-press-conference/


Let me know when the last time anyone has used the word "Redskin" as a derogatory name. Only thing that lives from the word Redskin is a football team name and nothing else.

Just because you haven't heard anyone use it as a derogatory name doesn't mean it isn't. I would bet you aren't around that many native americans to ever have the chance to hear them called it.

BroncoBeavis
10-10-2013, 01:24 PM
How about the fighting whities? There was some Native American high school that did that. I'm white and I approve of this name.

Vikings already took that one. :)

Dr. Broncenstein
10-10-2013, 01:29 PM
Washington Thinskins

SonOfLe-loLang
10-10-2013, 01:43 PM
So what? Obama hasn't answered many questions, much less even taken questions much of the time, but this is one he decides to answer?

It was a second of his time and the diplomatic answer. I suppose he could have said its not important to him, but then people woulda bitched about that too.

Crushaholic
10-10-2013, 02:07 PM
Washington Shutdowns

Guess Who
10-10-2013, 02:16 PM
http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27835071~7bc7534e7c23b1260e249cefd7d82884836a4841-original

Redtails, Renegades, Hogs or Warriors is fine, but this uniform rocks.

Bronco Yoda
10-10-2013, 02:40 PM
What makes this "Rock"? That it's mustard from head to toe?

Dr. Broncenstein
10-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Washington Redblouses.

Mountain Bronco
10-10-2013, 02:45 PM
Washington Casino Owners?

Seriously, just keep the name.

TheReverend
10-10-2013, 02:46 PM
Washington Redblouses.

Every win is such a Chapelle Show Charlie-Murphy-Prince-bit setup.

cabronco
10-10-2013, 02:55 PM
Washington Feather heads :ouwknow:

broncocalijohn
10-10-2013, 03:13 PM
Just because you haven't heard anyone use it as a derogatory name doesn't mean it isn't. I would bet you aren't around that many native americans to ever have the chance to hear them called it.

90 percent don't want a name change. Not too many polls around that can give you tjat high of a percentage. That is a poll to just Indians! I therefore can assume thode people have not heard that word ever directed towardsthem. Seriously, if someone wanted to call them a slur, you will most likely here Injune over Redskin all day long.

JimmyFocus
10-10-2013, 03:19 PM
90 percent don't want a name change. Not too many polls around that can give you tjat high of a percentage. That is a poll to just Indians! I therefore can assume thode people have not heard that word ever directed towardsthem. Seriously, if someone wanted to call them a slur, you will most likely here Injune over Redskin all day long.

simply put. the poll is wrong. Seeing as my wife is Navajo and being around native americans more then you. I could tell you firsthand there is not one native that I know that thinks it isn't a slur. So feel free to keep assuming.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-10-2013, 03:21 PM
Every win is such a Chapelle Show Charlie-Murphy-Prince-bit setup.

Game. Blouses.

razorwire77
10-10-2013, 03:26 PM
Washington Tanashans

http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/9cdd44da7476984049f8fd0fe97ee07c.jpg

BroncoBeavis
10-10-2013, 03:36 PM
How about the Washington Scalpers.

Featuring a Redskin in full headdress fanning out an array of super-inflated tickets. :)

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 04:46 PM
Would anyone feel comfortable going into an Indian bar and calling them a bunch of fags? Anything coming out of your mouth in that way would get your ass kicked.

Seriously, when was the last time anyone heard someone call an Indian a "Redskin" in a deragatory way? It is only used as a football team name. Every other detail of Redskin is gone.

You're wrong.

Actually witnessed this happen when I was a junior at the U of Montana in Missoula. Guy was pissed at a Native American guy (I have no idea what they were talking about, but they'd had words), and when it escalated, the white guy said "**** you, you ****ing redskin," and all hell broke loose.

It's derogatory as ****. Folks on the Rez and who are in high density Native American areas know better.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 04:48 PM
I like the name redtails, it could go to anything too. Like a fox or a hawk or a fighter plane. They're all pretty cool "predators". Of course, I think there are way too many bird logos in the NFL, with the Falcons, Eagles, Seahawks, Ravens, Cardinals...

Rick Reily wrote a decent piece recently about not changing the name, and the main thing I agree with him on is that it shouldn't be "white" people who are upset over the use of the name and that appears to be the main backers of a change of the name. Seems like more Native Americans have more issue with chiefs fans dressing up and the tomahawk chop.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds

I hate chiefs fans.

Someone's probably already mentioned it, but Reilly misquoted his father in law.

His father and law said so in an article he wrote. Parts of it are quoted here: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/10/the-official-ksk-response-to-rick-reill.html

Basically? Reilly missed the entire ****ing point, and, it seems anyway, that he deliberately misquoted his father in law. Good move.

ATL-Eric
10-10-2013, 05:42 PM
I'm thinking Regulators. Regs for short. Plus that's kind of a Washington term. Then at the beginning of every game the fans can chant: Regulatorssss, mount up!

TheReverend
10-10-2013, 05:46 PM
I'm thinking Regulators. Regs for short. Plus that's kind of a Washington term. Then at the beginning of every game the fans can chant: Regulatorssss, mount up!

That would actually be really ****ing sweet.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 05:54 PM
That would actually be really ****ing sweet.

Seconded.

Kaylore
10-10-2013, 06:07 PM
It is apparently 90's music day.

ATL-Eric
10-10-2013, 06:19 PM
It was a clear black night, a clear white moon...

Archer81
10-10-2013, 06:28 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/WM7-PYtXtJM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


:Broncos:

Kid A
10-10-2013, 06:53 PM
Someone's probably already mentioned it, but Reilly misquoted his father in law.

His father and law said so in an article he wrote. Parts of it are quoted here: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/10/the-official-ksk-response-to-rick-reill.html

Basically? Reilly missed the entire ****ing point, and, it seems anyway, that he deliberately misquoted his father in law. Good move.

And it wasn't just his father-in-law backtracking because of criticism. The article he wrote is a thoughtful, thorough look at why the slur/name is so painful to many Native Americans...and basically destroys every argument the "It's cool to use a racist name for the team if enough people are nostalgic about it" or "there's a few Natives over there who are okay with it" crowds:


http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/10/10/blackfeet-elder-says-rick-reilly-misquoted-him-wants-redskins-banned-151696

My great, great grandfather, Chief Heavy Runner, and 173 of his band were slaughtered in Montana in what was called the Baker Massacre in 1870

...

Ben Bennett’s book Death, Too, For the Heavy Runner tells how the people were down with smallpox, sick and starving. Chief Heavy Runner had sent all the able-bodied men out to hunt for food. The soldiers attacked the wrong camp. But when it was pointed out to him that these were friendly Indians, and when the people pleaded for mercy for the children, Col. Baker said “nits breed lice.” He likely called them “dirty redskins.” That is how we perceive the use of the word “redskins.”


Our people grew up hearing terms like nits, dirty redskins, prairie ****er, savages, heathens, lazy Indians and drunks -- all derogatory terms used to label us. It is better today, but the underlying mentality is still there or obviously people would change the name.

“Redskins” is part of that mentality from colonial times when our men, women and children were hunted by soldiers and mercenaries who were paid for the scalps of our men, women and children. How can anyone claim this is a proud tradition to come from? The labels, racism and hatred our people continue to experience are directly tied to those racial slurs.


How anyone can brush aside an eloquent explanation about the psychic pain and dark history the slur carries as being "overly PC bull****" is beyond me.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 07:06 PM
And it wasn't just his father-in-law backtracking because of criticism. The article he wrote is a thoughtful, thorough look at why the slur/name is so painful to many Native Americans...and basically destroys every argument the "It's cool to use a racist name for the team if enough people are nostalgic about it" or "there's a few Natives over there who are okay with it" crowds:


http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/10/10/blackfeet-elder-says-rick-reilly-misquoted-him-wants-redskins-banned-151696





How anyone can brush aside an eloquent explanation about the psychic pain and dark history the slur carries as being "overly PC bull****" is beyond me.

How this is even a discussion is just beyond me at this point. "It's just like ______!" No, it isn't.

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:14 PM
Dont change the name. Im tired of poloticians sticking their noseswhere it doesnt belong. They should be paying attention to this country and turning it the **** around. Im of swedish decent, should i be crying how it paints my heritage as uncivilized, warmongers(the vikings)?develope some thicker skin. Im not sorry my fore fathers came to this land and settled it. Fighting over lands wasnt foriegn to the natiives of this, country we just did it better. How many other nations give those they took land from reservations? Not to mention a check. Call me racist, im not sorry.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 07:17 PM
Dont change the name. Im tired of poloticians sticking their noseswhere it doesnt belong. They should be paying attention to this country and turning it the **** around. Im of swedish decent, should i be crying how it paints my heritage as uncivilized, warmongers(the vikings)?develope some thicker skin. Im not sorry my fore fathers came to this land and settled it. Fighting over lands wasnt foriegn to the natiives of this, country we just did it better. How many other nations give those they took land from reservations? Not to mention a check. Call me racist, im not sorry.

Just a ****ing moron.

We appreciate you clearing that up.

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:20 PM
Just a ****ing moron.

We appreciate you clearing that up.hows that?

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:22 PM
Just a ****ing moron.

We appreciate you clearing that up.
Is your panties in a bunch over a name, jokes on you

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:24 PM
Simmer down.


:Broncos:

Kid A
10-10-2013, 07:25 PM
Fighting over lands wasnt foriegn to the natiives of this, country we just did it better. How many other nations give those they took land from reservations? Not to mention a check. Call me racist, im not sorry.

Jesus. Racist doesn't begin to cover it, really.

"Conflict with other religious groups wasn't foreign to the Jews, 1930s Germany just did it better! How many other nations give ghettos to the people they took land from? Not to mention some nice memorial sites 50 years later! Call me a Nazi, but I ain't sorry."

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:31 PM
Jesus. Racist doesn't begin to cover it, really.

"Conflict with other religious groups wasn't foreign to the Jews, 1930s Germany just did it better! How many other nations give ghettos to the people they took land from? Not to mention some nice memorial sites 50 years later! Call me a Nazi, but I ain't sorry."right or wrong the jews knew what was gonna go down with hitler and had opportunities to leave. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Jews_Nazi_Germany.htm. your revisionist history fails

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:34 PM
right or wrong the jews knew what was gonna go down with hitler and had opportunities to leave. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Jews_Nazi_Germany.htm. your revisionist history fails


Oh Good God man. Quit when you are behind.


:Broncos:

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:40 PM
Oh Good God man. Quit when you are behind.


:Broncos:
Probably with a lot of folks on here. I didnt share my thoughts on the subject becuase i thought they would be popular. Insesitive? How about everytime i log on this board im insulted or verbally abused. Yeah perspective you wantto be shown respect but you wont give any.ok seems about right

fankadeo
10-10-2013, 07:41 PM
right or wrong the jews knew what was gonna go down with hitler and had opportunities to leave. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Jews_Nazi_Germany.htm. your revisionist history fails
cue Anchorman
"Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while"

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-10-2013, 07:47 PM
Probably with a lot of folks on here. I didnt share my thoughts on the subject becuase i thought they would be popular. Insesitive? How about everytime i log on this board im insulted or verbally abused. Yeah perspective you wantto be shown respect but you wont give any.ok seems about right

Find the respect you showed for the Native American people, and we can have this discussion. Til then, you'll get the respect YOU show others, which is absolutely none.

You're stupid as ****. You should probably start accepting that fact.

Archer81
10-10-2013, 07:56 PM
Probably with a lot of folks on here. I didnt share my thoughts on the subject becuase i thought they would be popular. Insesitive? How about everytime i log on this board im insulted or verbally abused. Yeah perspective you wantto be shown respect but you wont give any.ok seems about right


!. Clearly you do not know me very well.
2. You are being mocked because your opinion is so far out there. What you essentially said was that groups that had been brutalized in the past deserved the brutalization. Which is akin to you saying rape victims deserved it.
3. I can tolerate most opinions, even if I think they are complete and utter bull****. Do not whine because people correctly mock you.

:Broncos:

Kid A
10-10-2013, 07:56 PM
hahahahaha. So I came back to this thread, thinking I maybe overplayed my card making a Nazi analogy and derailed the thread from the real topic. But instead I find out OTM is a consistent apologist for genocide across all times and cultures!

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 07:56 PM
Find the respect you showed for the Native American people, and we can have this discussion. Til then, you'll get the respect YOU show others, which is absolutely none.

You're stupid as ****. You should probably start accepting that fact.bro, youre captin ****head. I dont need anything from you. I know your posting style.

DHallblows
10-10-2013, 08:08 PM
right or wrong the jews knew what was gonna go down with hitler and had opportunities to leave. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Jews_Nazi_Germany.htm. your revisionist history fails

http://withleather.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/grandpa-simpson-gif.gif

Broncos_OTM
10-10-2013, 08:28 PM
!. Clearly you do not know me very well.
2. You are being mocked because your opinion is so far out there. What you essentially said was that groups that had been brutalized in the past deserved the brutalization. Which is akin to you saying rape victims deserved it.
3. I can tolerate most opinions, even if I think they are complete and utter bull****. Do not whine because people correctly mock you.

:Broncos:this will be my last post in this thread. Thiis should have been posted in here in the first place. I rarely come to the the political threads. If you want to carry on pm me

Me
**** decker dropped a pass.
Poster
Hey ****off moron decker signed my wifes jersey.
Typical of the mane.

Again i dont need anyones support or respect. But if you want people to respect YOU OR YOUR BELIEFS. You had better ****ing give it. Dont like my opionon? Ignore it or reasonably make a claim to dispute it. Calling me a ****ing moron makes you what you are calling me

Arkie
10-11-2013, 09:37 AM
http://d8u1nmttd4enu.cloudfront.net/designs/27835071~7bc7534e7c23b1260e249cefd7d82884836a4841-original

Redtails, Renegades, Hogs or Warriors is fine, but this uniform rocks.

I like the Warriors but not the military logo. I get the "support our troops" angle, but the mustard looking helmet makes him look like a construction worker. Besides, it needs more feathers.

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles/85086/projects/6552585/135ca9c2d99025c502e076c83c0cf17e.jpg

Blart
10-11-2013, 09:45 AM
"The word Redskin was taught to me at a very young age, and this is the meaning it has for me.

"I am a Native American. I grew up on an Indian reservation. As a child, the United States Government and the Catholic Church came into our homes, took us away from our families, and forced us into Catholic boarding schools. There was no choice to be had in this matter, you had to go. The Catholic Church with the blessings of the United States Government took it upon themselves to determine that we were savages, and needed to be transformed to fit into their society.

"When my hair was cut short by the priests, I was called a "redskin" and a savage. When I spoke my native tongue, I was beaten and called "redskin". When I tried to follow the spiritual path of my people, I was again beaten and called a "redskin". I was told by them to turn my back on the ways of my people, or I would forever be nothing but a dirty "redskin".

"The only way "redskin" was ever used towards my people and myself was in a derogatory manner. It was never, ever, used in a show of respect or kindness. It was only used to let you know that you were dirty and no good, and to this day still is.

"A long time ago, a group of people who had no knowledge of these facts, and who put no thought into what "redskin" actually meant chose to use this word for their mascot. A new group of people, now being confronted about it, have somehow decided it is their decision to change the meaning of this word to fit their purposes and agendas, but again have put no thought into its true meaning or what this word means to Native Americans."

-- Clem Ironwing, Sioux
http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/articles/redskin.htm

BroncoBeavis
10-11-2013, 10:14 AM
"The word Redskin was taught to me at a very young age, and this is the meaning it has for me.

"I am a Native American. I grew up on an Indian reservation. As a child, the United States Government and the Catholic Church came into our homes, took us away from our families, and forced us into Catholic boarding schools. There was no choice to be had in this matter, you had to go. The Catholic Church with the blessings of the United States Government took it upon themselves to determine that we were savages, and needed to be transformed to fit into their society.

"When my hair was cut short by the priests, I was called a "redskin" and a savage. When I spoke my native tongue, I was beaten and called "redskin". When I tried to follow the spiritual path of my people, I was again beaten and called a "redskin". I was told by them to turn my back on the ways of my people, or I would forever be nothing but a dirty "redskin".

"The only way "redskin" was ever used towards my people and myself was in a derogatory manner. It was never, ever, used in a show of respect or kindness. It was only used to let you know that you were dirty and no good, and to this day still is.

"A long time ago, a group of people who had no knowledge of these facts, and who put no thought into what "redskin" actually meant chose to use this word for their mascot. A new group of people, now being confronted about it, have somehow decided it is their decision to change the meaning of this word to fit their purposes and agendas, but again have put no thought into its true meaning or what this word means to Native Americans."

-- Clem Ironwing, Sioux
http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/articles/redskin.htm

Indian's basically a pejorative too. Where does this end?

I'm sure there are a few Irish people that resent being represented by a drunk scrappy leprechaun too.

Ok, none that I know, but they've gotta be out there. :)

Blart
10-11-2013, 10:20 AM
I can't wait to hear more white male's opinions on what should and shouldn't be offensive.

2KBack
10-11-2013, 10:39 AM
I can't wait to hear more white male's opinions on what should and shouldn't be offensive.

Yep our race and gender make our opinions invalid

broncocalijohn
10-11-2013, 10:41 AM
I can't wait to hear more white male's opinions on what should and shouldn't be offensive.

90% of Indians said in a poll that they want the name to stay.

The Lone Bolt
10-11-2013, 11:18 AM
Duh Washington Republicans. They either win or refuse to play the 4th quarter.

More like every time they fumble the ball away to the other team and the other team scores a touchdown with it they demand that the play be reversed and the ball given back to them just because they don't like the score.

But seriously I think the Redskin fanbase should decide. Have the folks who are so offended by the name make their case to the fans and if they don't turn the tide of opinion in their favor the name stays.

JimmyFocus
10-11-2013, 11:18 AM
90% of Indians said in a poll that they want the name to stay.

you keep saying this like it is fact. fact is you are wrong... here is the link....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9235381/poll-majority-approve-washington-redskins-name

This was NOT Native Americans that were polled.

Requiem
10-11-2013, 11:34 AM
OTM lost his marbles.

Blart
10-11-2013, 11:34 AM
Yep our race and gender make our opinions invalid

Oh please, your opinions come from a position of power.

http://thesecretliberalagenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/white-male-tears.gif

cutthemdown
10-12-2013, 02:29 AM
Keep the name but let indians open up a sportsbook at the stadium.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-12-2013, 02:47 AM
!. Clearly you do not know me very well.
2. You are being mocked because your opinion is so far out there. What you essentially said was that groups that had been brutalized in the past deserved the brutalization. Which is akin to you saying rape victims deserved it.
3. I can tolerate most opinions, even if I think they are complete and utter bull****. Do not whine because people correctly mock you.

:Broncos:

Co-signed. :thumbs:

bombay
10-13-2013, 06:35 PM
The Washington franchise is failing to recognize an extraordinary marketing opportunity. Selling all new gear to all of your fanbase is not a small amount of money. Why don't they see this?

How about the Obstructionists? With a caricature of a fat senator with a cigar?

Pony Boy
10-13-2013, 07:00 PM
Washington Terrorists

broncocalijohn
10-13-2013, 09:27 PM
you keep saying this like it is fact. fact is you are wrong... here is the link....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9235381/poll-majority-approve-washington-redskins-name

This was NOT Native Americans that were polled.

First, your link says 80% think the name should stay so I am not sure where you want to go with your argument. 2nd, I already provided a link in an earlier post that I guess you skipped. Here it is for you...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/08/native-americans-tackle-redskins-at-press-conference/


Let me know when the last time anyone has used the word "Redskin" as a derogatory name. Only thing that lives from the word Redskin is a football team name and nothing else.

JimmyFocus
10-13-2013, 10:57 PM
First, your link says 80% think the name should stay so I am not sure where you want to go with your argument. 2nd, I already provided a link in an earlier post that I guess you skipped. Here it is for you...

Ok. fair enough I didn't see that. but im sure you also read this.

"Because they make up a very small proportion of the total population, the responses of 768 people who said they were Indians or Native Americans were collected over a very long period of polling, from October 7, 2003 through September 20, 2004".

So its a poll from people you SAID they were native American and only 768 at that. the whole article from the first link is just plain lie after lie. My wife has heard the slur called to her quite a few times. Its pretty simple really. Just because you haven't heard it doesnt mean it isn't a slur.

Pony Boy
10-14-2013, 08:15 AM
There are really two questions here:

Is the name Redskins a racial slur and do you think the name Redskins should be changed?

The answer to the first is yes, I’m a Native American and I can tell you if anyone wants to walk up and call me a Redskin they will be missing some teeth.

As to the answer to the second question, I really don’t care if they change it or not. I played football and one of our rival teams was the Savages and I never gave it a second thought.

So I got your poll right here in my BVD’s, the name Redskins is a racial slur plain and simple so STFU.

Arkie
10-14-2013, 09:37 AM
Is the name Redskins a racial slur and do you think the name Redskins should be changed?

The answer to the first question is yes.

The answer to second question should be yes, but it depends from a business point of view. They could care less about offending the small % of Native Americans that have always been offended. As the % has grown to include other minorities and sympathetic whites, it becomes a marketing decision between tradition and not turning off new fans. The government shouldn't get involved though. They never outlawed blackface. It just lost popularity. Native American mascots may be just as ridiculous in 60 years.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-14-2013, 09:50 AM
right or wrong the jews knew what was gonna go down with hitler and had opportunities to leave. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Jews_Nazi_Germany.htm. your revisionist history fails

Wow.

Pony Boy
10-14-2013, 10:27 AM
The answer to the first question is yes.

The answer to second question should be yes, but it depends from a business point of view. They could care less about offending the small % of Native Americans that have always been offended. As the % has grown to include other minorities and sympathetic whites, it becomes a marketing decision between tradition and not turning off new fans. The government shouldn't get involved though. They never outlawed blackface. It just lost popularity. Native American mascots may be just as ridiculous in 60 years.
The name Redskins in itself symbolizes an ugly chapter in our nation's history but it also seems to be a chaper in our history that many whites feel comfortable with and expressed by some of the comments in this thread and this a good example.

Dont change the name. Im not sorry my fore fathers came to this land and settled it. Fighting over lands wasnt foriegn to the natiives of this, country we just did it better. How many other nations give those they took land from reservations? Not to mention a check. Call me racist, im not sorry.

Even the history books still say "the white men were massacred but on the other hand "the Indians were removed".

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-16-2013, 07:14 AM
Washington Terrorists

An apt moniker for the tea party lunatics you support.

Kaylore
10-16-2013, 07:25 AM
/Khan comes in. Sees thread has turned racist. Sees thread is in WRP forum.

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