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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-06-2013, 06:08 PM
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The government shutdown is being felt close to home for some locals. They say they're being forced out of private homes on Lake Mead because they sit on federal land.

Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. They've been spending most of their time in the family ice cream store since going home isn't an option.

The Spencers never expected to be forced out of their Lake Mead home, which they've owned since the 70s, but on Thursday, a park ranger said they had 24 hours to get out.

"I had to go to town today and buy Ralph undershirts and jeans because I forgot his pants," Joyce Spencer told Action News.

The Stewart's Point home sits on federal land, so even though the Spencers own their cabin outright, they're not allowed in until the government reopens.

Park officials said property owners can visit only to retrieve belongings; they sent Action News a statement which reads in part, "Unfortunately overnight stays are not permitted until a budget is passed and the park can reopen."

Joyce Spencer said she's alright in the meantime, staying with nearby family, but the move was a lot to handle as a senior citizen.

"I had to be sure and get his walker and his scooter that he has to go in," Spencer said. "We're not hurt in any way except it might cost me if I have to go buy more pants."

The Lake Mead properties are considered vacation homes; one of the lease requirements to own a plot is people must have an alternative residence.

Regardless, the Spencers said it's their property and they should be allowed in, shutdown or not.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/226557661.html

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-06-2013, 06:13 PM
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84485-govt-tries-close-ocean-due-shutdown/

Gov't Tries to Close the OCEAN Due to Shutdown

Charter boat captains in Florida have been informed by the National Park Service that the Florida Bay is closed due to the government shutdown.

The captains, who make a living by taking tourists and anglers on deep-sea fishing trips, are prohibited from fishing in 1,100 square miles of ocean until the shutdown ends. They are also banned from Biscayne National Park.

Rangers will be on duty to enforce the ban. In fact, the personnel and resources required to shut down the ocean will probably cost more than keeping it open. Brilliant.

Breitbart reporter Mike Flynn hit the nail on the head:

This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government’s ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.

At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you “close” 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?

Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

Americans from both sides have criticized the unnecessary theatrics that the shutdown has brought. It’s called Washington Monument Syndrome, and it’s basically when officials close down the most popular government services with hopes of upsetting the public enough to pressure lawmakers to act a particular way.

But forget Washington Monument Syndrome. The bottom line is that Washington is taking advantage of the situation just to make a point, and it seems they have no limits. First the forests, then the monuments, and now the ocean? When will it stop?

Next - 13 National Parks: How They Were Impacted by Government Shutdown

W*GS
10-06-2013, 06:23 PM
How much you getting paid to be a GOP whore?

barryr
10-07-2013, 07:28 AM
Usually liberals would be freaking out about such stories, but they reserve that when democrats are not responsible of course. So these stories barely get reported, if at all.

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 08:41 AM
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BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 09:16 AM
Usually liberals would be freaking out about such stories, but they reserve that when democrats are not responsible of course. So these stories barely get reported, if at all.

Apparently booting people from private homes too close to the King's Lands is considered an essential federal service.

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 09:20 AM
http://www.argusleader.com/article/20131005/NEWS/310050021/Mount-Rushmore-blockage-stirs-anger-S-D-

If you've ever been to Mt Rushmore, the highway that drives by the park area has a pull-out lane for traffic to pull over and catch a glimpse of the mountain. Note, this is completely separate from the park itself. Is really just another lane added to the highway at a point where you can see the faces.

And your federal masters Barrycaded it off. A fricking parking lane on a highway. But keep clapping, Roh. Keep clapping.

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 09:25 AM
http://www.argusleader.com/article/20131005/NEWS/310050021/Mount-Rushmore-blockage-stirs-anger-S-D-

If you've ever been to Mt Rushmore, the highway that drives by the park area has a pull-out lane for traffic to pull over and catch a glimpse of the mountain. Note, this is completely separate from the park itself. Is really just another lane added to the highway at a point where you can see the faces.

And your federal masters Barrycaded it off. A fricking parking lane on a highway. But keep clapping, Roh. Keep clapping.

Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects. :rofl:

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 09:39 AM
Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects. :rofl:

So what you're saying is a shut down government should send 'essential' workers out blocking off scenic outlooks on highways, kicking people out of homes, shutting down missing children websites... etc etc.

By this standard, shouldn't the super-expensive, round-the-clock work on the King's new health care exchange site also be halted? Or is the public 'pain' to be experienced completely subject to his royal highness' discretion?

Maybe he should shut down the Interstate system. Or maybe only in Red States. Whatever it is, Roh's on board.

Seymour needs fed, that's all that's important.

W*GS
10-07-2013, 09:57 AM
There's quite the right-wing propaganda machine at work.

Do you guys have a calling tree to make sure that everyone uses the same talking-points when they pontificate about how evil Obama is on various and sundry 'Net boards, newspaper comment sites, &c., &c?

I've seen the exact same things mentioned by the usual right-wing pudknockers in several different places this morning.

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 10:14 AM
There's quite the right-wing propaganda machine at work.

Do you guys have a calling tree to make sure that everyone uses the same talking-points when they pontificate about how evil Obama is on various and sundry 'Net boards, newspaper comment sites, &c., &c?

I've seen the exact same things mentioned by the usual right-wing pudknockers in several different places this morning.

Think of it like a right-of-center Politico version of the IPCC. Then it'll make more sense to you. :)

DenverBrit
10-07-2013, 10:30 AM
Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects. :rofl:

It's amazing to watch.

Are their supporters really so stupid as to buy into that bull****?? ::rhetorical:: :)

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 10:43 AM
So what you're saying is a shut down government should send 'essential' workers out blocking off scenic outlooks on highways, kicking people out of homes, shutting down missing children websites... etc etc.

By this standard, shouldn't the super-expensive, round-the-clock work on the King's new health care exchange site also be halted? Or is the public 'pain' to be experienced completely subject to his royal highness' discretion?

Maybe he should shut down the Interstate system. Or maybe only in Red States. Whatever it is, Roh's on board.

Seymour needs fed, that's all that's important.

Like a toddler who decides to throw his plate of food on the floor and then starts screaming at mommy because, after all, he really did want the applesauce. Ha!

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 11:09 AM
Like a toddler who decides to throw his plate of food on the floor and then starts screaming at mommy because, after all, he really did want the applesauce. Ha!

Alternatively...

The King's Government is the spoiled toddler at the store who threatens to scream and break things if his toy demands aren't fully satisfied.

It's pretty startling to see that team Progressive is happy to watch public servants turn to anti-service as soon as the autonomous bureaucracy's demands aren't met.

The mafia does business that same way. But ends justify means I guess. Winning is all that matters.

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 11:19 AM
Alternatively...

The King's Government is the spoiled toddler at the store who threatens to scream and break things if his toy demands aren't fully satisfied.

It's pretty startling to see that team Progressive is happy to watch public servants turn to anti-service as soon as the autonomous bureaucracy's demands aren't met.

The mafia does business that same way. But ends justify means I guess. Winning is all that matters.

Oh. I see. So it's the government that shut itself down because its demands were not being met? And here, I thought it was just a handful of toddlers in the House.

I'm always amazed at the doublethink that comes from the bowels of Fox.

Bronco Yoda
10-07-2013, 11:47 AM
Right Wingers: The only people stupid enough to shut down the government and then blame the other guys for the effects. :rofl:

Now that's BS and you know it. Obama is going out of his way to make this painful for everyone.

I said it before and I'll say it again. We're just getting started with the STUPID!

Both sides should be kicked to the curb!

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Oh. I see. So it's the government that shut itself down because its demands were not being met? And here, I thought it was just a handful of toddlers in the House.

I'm always amazed at the doublethink that comes from the bowels of Fox.

Nothing compares to the doublethink of someone cheering while a 'shut down' government sends out (paid) goons to make the bureaucracy's butthurt as publicly felt as possible.

Arkie
10-07-2013, 01:52 PM
I know this is just one small example, but they all add up. It doesn't cost the government anything when people look at Mt Rushmore from a distance outside the park. So why would the government spend money to make it harder for people to see Mt Rushmore? It's obvious they want to cause as much pain as possible so the slaves will beg for their masters to come save them. Like I said, this is tiny in the grand scheme, but's its so ridiculous, I had to comment.

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 01:54 PM
Now that's BS and you know it. Obama is going out of his way to make this painful for everyone.

I said it before and I'll say it again. We're just getting started with the STUPID!

Both sides should be kicked to the curb!

It's a terrible precedent, top to bottom. Now every time any agency's budget gets trimmed (even from its wishlist budget) we'll probably see this kind of crap.

I guess if Democrats are ever able to force significant military cuts, the Department of Defense should just shut off civilian access to GPS until they're fully funded.

"I mean Watidya Expect?" LOL

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 03:06 PM
Now that's BS and you know it. Obama is going out of his way to make this painful for everyone.

I said it before and I'll say it again. We're just getting started with the STUPID!

Both sides should be kicked to the curb!

No. The Right has been this way about health care going back to the 50s. They called Truman a communist over it. Reagan said when Medicare passed that this was the end for America and he would have to tell his grandchildren what America was like before we became a communist country. It's government by hysteria. They called the tune. Let them dance to it or shut the **** up.

Some moron congressman from Texas today said they're not giving up. "We're not the French. We don't surrender." So, throw in stupidity plus an insult to one of our closest allies. When somebody in the crowd reminded him how do you surrender in a fight you started, the congressman went mute. That's the kind of stupidity we're dealing with here.

BroncoBeavis
10-07-2013, 03:54 PM
No. The Right has been this way about health care going back to the 50s. They called Truman a communist over it. Reagan said when Medicare passed that this was the end for America and he would have to tell his grandchildren what America was like before we became a communist country. It's government by hysteria. They called the tune. Let them dance to it or shut the **** up.

Some moron congressman from Texas today said they're not giving up. "We're not the French. We don't surrender." So, throw in stupidity plus an insult to one of our closest allies. When somebody in the crowd reminded him how do you surrender in a fight you started, the congressman went mute. That's the kind of stupidity we're dealing with here.

Dude, 7 years ago, Democrats were basically accusing Republicans of enslaving the grandchildren over raising Bush's debt ceiling. Let's keep some perspective here.

Rigs11
10-07-2013, 04:32 PM
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peacepipe
10-07-2013, 05:48 PM
Now that's BS and you know it. Obama is going out of his way to make this painful for everyone.

I said it before and I'll say it again. We're just getting started with the STUPID!

Both sides should be kicked to the curb!

BS. False equivalencies like your post. Obama isn't going out of his wY make to anything harder. There are consequences to shutting down the government.

Rohirrim
10-07-2013, 09:21 PM
BS. False equivalencies like your post. Obama isn't going out of his wY make to anything harder. There are consequences to shutting down the government.

Not true. Obama personally called those park rangers at Mt. Rushmore and told them to close that scenic outlook. Get with the program, dude. :puff:

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2013, 10:02 PM
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Rohirrim
10-08-2013, 07:31 AM
Lemmings jump off cliff! Other Lemmings line up to wait their turn! News at eleven.

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 09:15 AM
Lemmings jump off cliff! Other Lemmings line up to wait their turn! News at eleven.

Do you think it's responsible for a "shut down" government to spend more resources on blocking off public areas than they've ever spent on maintaining access to those areas?

Rohirrim
10-08-2013, 09:20 AM
Do you think it's responsible for a "shut down" government to spend more resources on blocking off public areas than they've ever spent on maintaining access to those areas?

Gee, I don't know. How did we get in this fix? ???

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 09:33 AM
Gee, I don't know. How did we get in this fix? ???

Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system? :)

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.

houghtam
10-08-2013, 09:45 AM
Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system? :)

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.

Actually republicans are also willing to pass a clean CR, but that won't happen either.

It's republicans who are holding their own party (and the rest of the country) hostage.

Look within your own ranks before pointing fingers.

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 09:52 AM
Actually republicans are also willing to pass a clean CR, but that won't happen either.

It's republicans who are holding their own party (and the rest of the country) hostage.

Look within your own ranks before pointing fingers.

Even Jon Stewart is openly questioning the epic O-Care Rollout facepalm. Delaying the mandate is both a blessing in disguise for Democrats, and just the right thing to do.

Health insurers are starting to wonder what's going on and how they're going to sign millions of new entrants over two months on a system that doesn't work. And this is all unfolding real time. Republicans gain more leverage every day.

houghtam
10-08-2013, 10:03 AM
Even Jon Stewart is openly questioning the epic O-Care Rollout facepalm. Delaying the mandate is both a blessing in disguise for Democrats, and just the right thing to do.

Health insurers are starting to wonder what's going on and how they're going to sign millions of new entrants over two months on a system that doesn't work. And this is all unfolding real time. Republicans gain more leverage every day.

Yeah. They're gaining more leverage. LOL

Which is why more members of their own party are going on record every day, saying they will vote for a CR not tied to the ACA.

Some strategy! Hilarious!

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 10:28 AM
Yeah. They're gaining more leverage. LOL

Which is why more members of their own party are going on record every day, saying they will vote for a CR not tied to the ACA.

Some strategy! Hilarious!

A clean CR isn't happening. So you have no point.

Rohirrim
10-08-2013, 11:01 AM
Because Democrats have said there can be no government unless citizens are immediately forced to sign up for insurance on an utterly broken system? :)

Republicans are willing to fund NPS today. The VA today. Interior... check. Military... check. They're willing to fund everything but the individual mandate.

It's Democrats who say nothing gets funded until the mandate does.

Yeah. That's the main reason I'm opposed to the ACA, the mandate. I don't know why the Republicans came up with that idea in the first place.

Rohirrim
10-08-2013, 11:18 AM
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/why-the-right-fights/?src=recg

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 11:27 AM
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/why-the-right-fights/?src=recg

That's a good read. One thing I think Ross is missing though is the nature of entrenched bureaucracy.

The biggest obstacle in downsizing government isn't the people. It's the bureaucracy in full self-service mode, as we see today... even willing to openly do intentional harm to the public in order to protect their domain.

I know there are individuals out there working for the federal government that value true public service and see themselves that way. But on the whole, most of our bureaucratic institutions are corrupt, and would use whatever means they thought they could get away with to protect their turf above and against the public's true interest.

peacepipe
10-08-2013, 11:48 AM
A clean CR isn't happening. So you have no point.

LOL we'll see about that.

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 11:52 AM
LOL we'll see about that.

Well, I'll re-face that by saying a long-term clean CR isn't happening.

They might do a short-term week or month-long deal if negotiations open up. But Obama has rebuffed any talk about short-term CRs.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-08-2013, 03:54 PM
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peacepipe
10-08-2013, 04:40 PM
Well, I'll re-face that by saying a long-term clean CR isn't happening.

They might do a short-term week or month-long deal if negotiations open up. But Obama has rebuffed any talk about short-term CRs.

actually he hasn't,he stated today that he is willing to do another short term extension for a couple months,but won't negotiate on anything until that happens.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-08-2013, 05:45 PM
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