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Jetmeck
10-05-2013, 11:16 AM
That illegitimate pres has screwed us again.


Here is some real world info for you Fox News idiots...........


It lowered my kids healthcare premiums by $200 a month

even with out any subsidies from Uncle Sam.


Money is tight around here like a lot of us and the wife probably

would not have had a mammogram which used to cost us 200 dollars

before Obamacare made it free under wellness exams and etc


Guess what they found pre cancerous cells and will be

removed and along with radiation she will likely be fine.


NOT Putting this off like many would due to cost or no

access to any insurance will save many lives.............



This is another real life example of what you assholes are fighting

against and have nothing to replace it with.


Go reread your BIBLE...............

Jetmeck
10-05-2013, 11:22 AM
Keep in mind you retards that one 1 in 8 women have breast cancer.........so now your trying to screw over your own wife, gf, mom, aunt....etc.

Think about it...............

Jetmeck
10-05-2013, 02:54 PM
Run and hide from the truth............

The Lone Bolt
10-05-2013, 03:27 PM
I expect your story to be the norm and not the exception in the coming months and years. Obamacare is here to stay.

Jetmeck
10-05-2013, 09:48 PM
crickets............

Can't stand the truth ?

Broncos_OTM
10-05-2013, 10:43 PM
Jetmeck its YOU not the topic.

B-Large
10-06-2013, 07:31 AM
The Affordable Care Act is likely to make Conservatives look really out of touch, delusional and straight out fraudulent...

You have zero hand in crafting or passing it, you made up stories and talking points that are absurdly false and hurt your own constituents, you challenged it on legal grounds at the highest court and lost, you made it a centerpiece of a POTUS run and lost, you essential forced a shutdown of the Government and it looks from polling you have lost let alone zero concessions...

Where are the reasonable Republicans who will step up and help make this thing a success, rather than trying to torpedo it for the next 5 years????

Broncos_OTM
10-06-2013, 10:52 AM
You want reasonable republicans? Look at jetmeck how is that reasonable? his hate soaked tirades I don't even bother to read... why? Because He's extremely disrespectful(good thing its the internet.) And to be honest his posts make little sense. So why don't you police your own. Its people like him that break down any sort of progress.

Breaker
10-06-2013, 08:46 PM
That illegitimate pres has screwed us again.


Here is some real world info for you Fox News idiots...........


It lowered my kids healthcare premiums by $200 a month

even with out any subsidies from Uncle Sam.


Money is tight around here like a lot of us and the wife probably

would not have had a mammogram which used to cost us 200 dollars

before Obamacare made it free under wellness exams and etc




Guess what they found pre cancerous cells and will be

removed and along with radiation she will likely be fine.


NOT Putting this off like many would due to cost or no

access to any insurance will save many lives.............



This is another real life example of what you a-holes are fighting

against and have nothing to replace it with.


Go reread your BIBLE...............

Ok, I would like to ask a few questions.

1) How old are your children?
2a) Does your wife have a job?
2b) If not, why not?
3) Are you currently employed?
4) Does your company offer any benefits to spouses or families

please be honest

Pony Boy
10-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Money is tight around here like a lot of us and the wife probably

would not have had a mammogram which used to cost us 200 dollars

before Obamacare made it free under wellness exams and etc

Wow, I think I would get a part time job flipping burgers, washing cars or mowing laws if my wife needed $200 bucks for a mammogram ............ but I understand, money is tight and we all have our priorities. Can't have a part time job and still have time to spout hate on the internet.

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 12:23 PM
You want reasonable republicans? Look at jetmeck how is that reasonable? his hate soaked tirades I don't even bother to read... why? Because He's extremely disrespectful(good thing its the internet.) And to be honest his posts make little sense. So why don't you police your own. Its people like him that break down any sort of progress.


Nice job of deflecting form answering the question......yes good thing its the internet..................

Don't change the subject again just answer why you think its good to take away heathcare ?

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 12:25 PM
Wow, I think I would get a part time job flipping burgers, washing cars or mowing laws if my wife needed $200 bucks for a mammogram ............ but I understand, money is tight and we all have our priorities. Can't have a part time job and still have time to spout hate on the internet.


Heh you , think about it.

A lot of people don't even have ANY INSURANCE and thats the point.

Without insurance it would be over a grand..........

You guys want civility ? Quit answering this way when you know

your just twisting things around................


Just so you understand this was her first mammogram.........ever.

Of course if anyone knew there was any issue we would not hesistate.

This was a WELLNESS exam.........

Don't try to top twist this onto me.

You guys want others with no insurance to pay big bucks for this and most won't and many would die.

1 in 8 women..............

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 12:29 PM
Ok, I would like to ask a few questions.

1) How old are your children?
2a) Does your wife have a job?
2b) If not, why not?
3) Are you currently employed?
4) Does your company offer any benefits to spouses or families

please be honest


Always honest and that is the righties problem with me.

I would vote for a republican with a better idea .


Its about right and wrong, nothing else.


2 kids...12...and 15

both work and insurance through job is too high.

Been shopping through Blue Cross online.

They told me to wait till 10/1.

I did and the prices dropped 200 hundred for both kids total.


I don't know what your up to but there is nothing here for you to find.

Obamacare lowered the costs and I have received several hundred dollars of FREE wellcare because of it...............

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 12:32 PM
Jetmeck its YOU not the topic.


Its me ? lol

Actually you have no answers and yes I'd like to smack the crap out of a-holes who want to take away peoples opportunity to get insurance.

Imagine that, repubs want us to not have insurance, not medicare or SS. They have always been that way............

Surprise, surprise and if you cannot stand the truth that on you.

Your party is the help the rich and no insurance bunch.

Deal with it


PS...........LYING REPUBLICANS WHO HELP THE RICH AND TRY TO **** the little guy are the rpoblem. Those of us pointing it out are not.

I get upset real quick with those on here who are so partisan they lie throught their teeth.

This Obamacare issue has been settled and will help millions and save lives............

Attaching it to the budget when the dems accepted the repubs bedget numbers by completely compromising and giving the repubs everything they wanted on budget numbers.

Our side more than compromised and your side wants to basically kill people.............

DON'T BLAME THE MESSENGER...........fix your screwed up party !

Pony Boy
10-07-2013, 12:53 PM
Heh stupid , think about it.

A lot of people don't even have ANY INSURANCE and thats the point.

Without insurance it would be over a grand..........

You guys want civility ? Quit answering this way when you know

your just twisting things around................

I've never said people should be without insurance but leave the current system alone for the people that are happy with what they have.

Issue all others including pre-existing conditions a Medicare card with a monthly premium that corresponds to their income or ability to pay.

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 01:04 PM
Jetmeck its YOU not the topic.


You just don't like the truth politically.

Thats why you have been such smartass on the discussion forum.

I would vote for either party.

Its about right and wrong , nothing else matters.

Its about helping all the people, not just the rich and powerful.

I could care less what ANY of you think of me.

This is about whats best for the country.


Your party is trying to take away healthcare from millions and

I gave a real world example of how it will save lives and save money.

Your party put Obamacare into the budget battle where it does not belong..............


Dems COMPLETELY COMPROMISED and gave the repubs the budget number they wanted, almost the draconian numbers of Paul Ryan.


This is done in NORMAL legislative process not by holding the government hostage. Yes government workers will get paid.

What about all the private sector money lost, will republicans who created this mess pay them ?


Again you don't like the truth...............

....... again I don't give a damn whether you do or not...............not here to coddle you.

Jetmeck
10-07-2013, 01:09 PM
I've never said people should be without insurance but leave the current system alone for the people that are happy with what they have.

Issue all others including pre-existing conditions a Medicare card with a monthly premium that corresponds to their income or ability to pay.


Good for you to even say that about not taking away insurance.

Problem is Fox news has you believing you will have to change insurance....completely false.

If you have insurance you can keep it, thats in the law.

If you guys would just check your info it would help a lot.

Congress as of right now will have to change their insurance which is prob high as hell..............because of Repub. Sen. Grassley added an amendment that forces congress to enter the pool like people who don't have insurance through work...........

Sen. Grassley was trying to get a few more congressan to vote no on OBAMACRE in 2010..........so this exemption they speak of is by there own hand.


Check it out.............

Rigs11
10-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Hey Rand ...pssss..pssss...Hilarious!

Kentucky's success makes a mockery of GOP Obamacare foes

Wednesday's Wall Street Journal provides the perfect encapsulation of the conservative crusade against the Affordable Care Act. On the opinion pages, columnist James Taranto mocked the story of new Obamacare enrollee Brendan Mahoney. But where news is actually reported, the WSJ's Arian Campo-Flores explained, "Why Kentucky's Health Exchange Worked Better Than Many Others." But the Bluegrass State didn't just provide a relatively smooth first-day enrollment experience. As it turns out, one of the only reliably red states to both establish its own health care exchange and accept the expansion of Medicaid to low income residents, Kentucky is already proving Republican critics of Obamacare wrong.

Those critics include Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, Kentucky's Republican senators who were caught on a live microphone in Washington admitting their real motives is shutting down the government over the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. But back home, things are going pretty well for Kentucky's uninsured seeking to obtain coverage at Kentucky's Kynect exchange:

While Kentucky's health-insurance exchange experienced some glitches when it launched Tuesday, it seemed to perform better than many of its peers.
State officials and outside experts attribute the smoother rollout to a variety of factors, including intensive testing of the system, a less-flashy but more-efficient website and strong coordination among state agencies involved in the effort.
As a result, Kentucky's exchange, dubbed Kynect, logged solid results in the first day and a half of operation. As of 4:00 p.m. Wednesday, 10,766 applications for health coverage had been initiated, 6,909 had been completed and 2,989 individuals or families had enrolled in new coverage.

As the Journal suggested, Kentucky's success may be in large part to the experience of state agencies working closely together on other health care systems in the recent past, including a prescription-drug monitoring database. But the biggest factor of all is Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear, who early on opted to have Kentucky run its own health care marketplace and accept billions of dollars of essentially free money from the federal government in order to expand Medicaid to cover 308,000 lower income working residents. In a recent New York Times op-ed, Gov. Beshear explained below why "My State Needs Obamacare. Now": .

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/03/1243855/-Kentucky-s-success-makes-a-mockery-of-GOP-Obamacare-foes#

Pony Boy
10-07-2013, 02:26 PM
Good for you to even say that about not taking away insurance.

If you have insurance you can keep it, thats in the law.

............

You can't keep the insurance if the provider changes the options of the policy. I carry a private policy for my wife and we have already received several letters detailing their up coming changes that will take effect to her policy in 2014. They want us to schedule an appointment to go over the policy and to add additional coverage that will be removed from the standard policy.

Her policy has not changed in 15 years except for the premiums , so do you think this is just a coincidence?

She told them she would like to keep what she has and was told that's not an option.

THE FACTS: Obama said “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. .

Nothing in the health care law guarantees that people can keep the health insurance they already have. Costs can rise, benefits can change and employers can drop coverage.

Insurance policies that are offered must now meet minimum standards, covering more preventive services but that doesn’t mean the status quo goes on for those who like what they’ve got now.

Rigs11
10-07-2013, 02:37 PM
You can't keep the insurance if the provider changes the options of the policy. I carry a private policy for my wife and we have already received several letters detailing their up coming changes that will take effect to her policy in 2014. They want us to schedule an appointment to go over the policy and to add additional coverage that will be removed from the standard policy.

Her policy has not changed in 15 years except for the premiums , so do you think this is just a coincidence?

She told them she would like to keep what she has and was told that's not an option.

THE FACTS: Obama said “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. .

Nothing in the health care law guarantees that people can keep the health insurance they already have. Costs can rise, benefits can change and employers can drop coverage.
Insurance policies that are offered must now meet minimum standards, covering more preventive services but that doesn’t mean the status quo goes on for those who like what they’ve got now.

Mincing words again. Obama said that you could keep your insurance if you like. He did not mean that he had control over the insurance companies. Insurance companies change their plans and premiums all the time. isn't that what you love about capitalism?

Bronco Yoda
10-07-2013, 02:58 PM
I've never said people should be without insurance but leave the current system alone for the people that are happy with what they have.

Issue all others including pre-existing conditions a Medicare card with a monthly premium that corresponds to their income or ability to pay.

Sounds reasonable. Too bad reason rarely prevails.

TonyR
10-08-2013, 11:15 AM
Not necessarily the right thread but don't feel like starting a new one so just randomly posting this here...

Hospitals don’t have poverty wards; if a patient comes in the door in bad shape, they don’t do a wallet biopsy before deciding what care that person should receive—everyone at a hospital receives the same quality. But if a community has a higher number of uninsured, that means the latest and greatest technology and treatments will drive up the amounts of unreimbursed care. In essence, hospitals that provide the best, most modern, and most expensive treatments in an area with lots of uninsured will be forced to pass unsustainable amounts of cost to their prices. Insurance companies won’t pay it, local governments won’t finance it, and the hospitals will go out of business.

The only option then? Don’t provide the top-quality care to anyone—insured or not. That keeps the cost of uncompensated care down and lets the hospital stay in business.

This is not something I have just dreamed up. Repeated studies over the past decade have showed a consistent relationship between the number of uninsured in an area and the quality of care available for all residents there. http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/10/truth-obamacare-already-insured

Pony Boy
10-08-2013, 11:31 AM
Not necessarily the right thread but don't feel like starting a new one so just randomly posting this here...

Hospitals don’t have poverty wards; if a patient comes in the door in bad shape, they don’t do a wallet biopsy before deciding what care that person should receive—everyone at a hospital receives the same quality.

I have a friend that just got back from MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX for prostrate cancer treatment and believe me they did a complete wallet biopsy on him before arrived.

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 11:35 AM
Not necessarily the right thread but don't feel like starting a new one so just randomly posting this here...

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/10/truth-obamacare-already-insured

This is a startlingly naive view of health care. The real costs don't come from emergency visits. They come from long-term treatments and therapies (Like PonyBoy's talking about). Which is when and where personal means get tested.

And 'uncompensated care' is an issue. But it's not THE issue. As I've said before, the feds could simply cut checks to providers for all uncompensated care, and save probably 75% of what Obamacare is going to cost.

Rohirrim
10-08-2013, 11:41 AM
Not necessarily the right thread but don't feel like starting a new one so just randomly posting this here...

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/10/truth-obamacare-already-insured

Excellent piece. Thanks for posting. :thumbs:

I liked the closing paragraph:
I don’t expect to persuade the people who really believe all the malarkey about death panels and socialism. They have been lied to for so long that I think it will take years before they will be able to understand how badly they have been used. But, hopefully, there are those who want to know why Obamacare exists and what the point of it is. And when you know the truth, you will understand that—for all of its imperfections—Obamacare is an essential step toward healing the deeply sick American health-care system.

I suppose you can think of ACA as just a step in a process. But it still supports the idea that health care is a commodity to be bought and sold in the marketplace. That's the idea that I don't agree with.

This guy makes a good argument, though.

The Lone Bolt
10-08-2013, 12:31 PM
This is a startlingly naive view of health care. The real costs don't come from emergency visits. They come from long-term treatments and therapies (Like PonyBoy's talking about). Which is when and where personal means get tested.

Source?

And 'uncompensated care' is an issue. But it's not THE issue. As I've said before, the feds could simply cut checks to providers for all uncompensated care, and save probably 75% of what Obamacare is going to cost.

Hmm... "Big Government" taking taxpayer money and handing it out to hospitals directly. What do they call that again? :kiddingme

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 01:36 PM
Source?



Hmm... "Big Government" taking taxpayer money and handing it out to hospitals directly. What do they call that again? :kiddingme

Sure, if you want to solve a problem that I already said isn't really THE major problem with health care. In reality, it's a $40-$50 billion dollar problem in a $3 Trillion dollar market. If your cable, internet, or media providers ended up getting stiffed on less than 2% of their revenue, you'd hardly tell us that we needed a federal program to ensure they got their money. Unless maybe you were Algore. :)

Instead, solve the real problem (cost) and that problem, along with most the others shrink even further in significance. It's that $3 Trillion, that's the problem. Not the $50 billion.

The 800lb Gorilla with health care is that so few consumers really care what it costs. And costs will continue to grow so long as nobody cares.

Requiem
10-08-2013, 02:57 PM
It will be interesting to see how the market place rolls out. I will definitely be comparing my options there as opposed to what is offered through work.

The Lone Bolt
10-08-2013, 03:56 PM
Sure, if you want to solve a problem that I already said isn't really THE major problem with health care. In reality, it's a $40-$50 billion dollar problem in a $3 Trillion dollar market. If your cable, internet, or media providers ended up getting stiffed on less than 2% of their revenue, you'd hardly tell us that we needed a federal program to ensure they got their money. Unless maybe you were Algore. :)

Instead, solve the real problem (cost) and that problem, along with most the others shrink even further in significance. It's that $3 Trillion, that's the problem. Not the $50 billion.

The 800lb Gorilla with health care is that so few consumers really care what it costs. And costs will continue to grow so long as nobody cares.

IMO the PPACA is only the start. I've heard many good ideas out there from both sides about lowering costs while maintaining or improving quality, and most of them are compatible with Obamacare.

But if you don't think uninsured people presenting to ERs is not a significant problem then you didn't read TonyR's article. The evidence is very clear that it is.

cutthemdown
10-08-2013, 04:04 PM
Anyone who would not get wife a mammogram unless govt pays for it is a dillwad loser.

cutthemdown
10-08-2013, 04:08 PM
Oh and if you can't afford 200 bucks for your wife to get a mammogram, then don't get married. Marriage is for people responsible enough to take care of other people. Not for losers who need the govt to pay for kids food and wifes mammograms.

cutthemdown
10-08-2013, 04:10 PM
So between the rollout day and now you already signed up, got wife a mammogram, and saved her life? **** in CA the webpage won't even load and Jetmeck already getting life saving treatment for his family.

cutthemdown
10-08-2013, 04:14 PM
It will be interesting to see how the market place rolls out. I will definitely be comparing my options there as opposed to what is offered through work.

You could lie about it also. There is no way for the govt to find out what your work offers for healthcare. You do realize you can't just take more money from work then go to Obamacare right? They system only works if you admit what employer offers so they know if you deserve a subsidy. I know you wouldn't lie but the govt is kidding themselves about this whole plan.

Young people will not sign up IMO in enough number to fund this thing over the first 5 yrs. Not sure about after that, maybe you could brainwash them to pay for older peoples medical care if you get into the schools and really hit it hard.

Whats going to happen is people will take more money from work to drop healthcare, go to the exchanges, lie, get a subsidy and make out like a bandit until the system either crashes and burns, or gts reformed with some apparatus to police it.

houghtam
10-08-2013, 04:24 PM
You could lie about it also. There is no way for the govt to find out what your work offers for healthcare. You do realize you can't just take more money from work then go to Obamacare right? They system only works if you admit what employer offers so they know if you deserve a subsidy. I know you wouldn't lie but the govt is kidding themselves about this whole plan.

Young people will not sign up IMO in enough number to fund this thing over the first 5 yrs. Not sure about after that, maybe you could brainwash them to pay for older peoples medical care if you get into the schools and really hit it hard.

Whats going to happen is people will take more money from work to drop healthcare, go to the exchanges, lie, get a subsidy and make out like a bandit until the system either crashes and burns, or gts reformed with some apparatus to police it.

Select “No” if your employer requires you to spend more than 9.5% of your household income on your own insurance premium, or if the health insurance your employer offers does not meet the health care law’s minimum value standards.

^^

You don't think all of this is readily researchable by the IRS? Sure, you could lie about it, but it would be just like lying on the rest of your taxes: a felony. Ultimately, the IRS always gets its money.

Garcia Bronco
10-08-2013, 04:36 PM
Mincing words again. Obama said that you could keep your insurance if you like. He did not mean that he had control over the insurance companies. Insurance companies change their plans and premiums all the time. isn't that what you love about capitalism?

Yeah...which just shows the depth of the President's foolish statement. I knew it was an idiotic statement....and so did a number of other people.

Garcia Bronco
10-08-2013, 04:38 PM
So between the rollout day and now you already signed up, got wife a mammogram, and saved her life? **** in CA the webpage won't even load and Jetmeck already getting life saving treatment for his family.

It's most likely that he's making it up.

slick7
10-08-2013, 04:39 PM
Oh and if you can't afford 200 bucks for your wife to get a mammogram, then don't get married. Marriage is for people responsible enough to take care of other people. Not for losers who need the govt to pay for kids food and wifes mammograms.

I guess if you got layed off because the economy took a dump you should get divorced. Seems reasonable.

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 04:58 PM
IMO the PPACA is only the start. I've heard many good ideas out there from both sides about lowering costs while maintaining or improving quality, and most of them are compatible with Obamacare.

But if you don't think uninsured people presenting to ERs is not a significant problem then you didn't read TonyR's article. The evidence is very clear that it is.

The article itself throws out $43 billion or $60 billion as estimates of the cost. Again, against a $3 Trillion market, I can just about guarantee that Walmart loses close to that percentage in "uncompensated" shopping.

Do we need a huge new federal program to take care of that? :)

houghtam
10-08-2013, 05:10 PM
I guess if you got layed off because the economy took a dump you should get divorced. Seems reasonable.

Cutthemdown is not known for reason or sanity.

The Lone Bolt
10-08-2013, 05:13 PM
The article itself throws out $43 billion or $60 billion as estimates of the cost. Again, against a $3 Trillion market, I can just about guarantee that Walmart loses close to that percentage in "uncompensated" shopping.

Do we need a huge new federal program to take care of that? :)

Does that "uncompensated shopping" cost every Walmart shopper thousands per year? Do their physical wellbeing and possibly their lives depend on buying at Walmart?

BroncoBeavis
10-08-2013, 10:11 PM
Does that "uncompensated shopping" cost every Walmart shopper thousands per year? Do their physical wellbeing and possibly their lives depend on buying at Walmart?

You say that and then turn around with a "solution" that preemptively charges the honest shoppers thousands per year.

Which gets back to my point. If someone proposed this "solution" for any other industry's bad debt, you'd call it crazy. But in every business, all consumers share the cost for unpaid tabs. Only in healthcare have we been convinced that that's unacceptable.

The Lone Bolt
10-09-2013, 12:29 AM
The article itself throws out $43 billion or $60 billion as estimates of the cost. Again, against a $3 Trillion market, I can just about guarantee that Walmart loses close to that percentage in "uncompensated" shopping.

Do we need a huge new federal program to take care of that? :)

BTW, you are suggesting here that the hospitals take in $3 trillion a year and only swallow $43-$60 billion a year, is that right?

Source?

BroncoBeavis
10-09-2013, 04:54 AM
BTW, you are suggesting here that the hospitals take in $3 trillion a year and only swallow $43-$60 billion a year, is that right?

Source?

The Kaiser study they referenced with the $43 billion number looked at more than Hospitals.

barryr
10-09-2013, 08:07 AM
Now looks like credit scores also determine how high people's premiums go up, which typically the poor have low scores, so how is that going to help them get affordable care? Typical liberal democrat idea, screw over the rest to help the minority but they don't really get the help promised in the end. It's just sickening.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/credit-scores-impacting-new-affordable-care-act-insurance-plans/-/1637132/22341034/-/l0jmq3z/-/index.html

broncocalijohn
10-09-2013, 01:55 PM
It's most likely that he's making it up.

Sad to think this but it is over reacting Jet Meck starting the thread.

TonyR
10-09-2013, 02:23 PM
If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown — that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014 to defund it — would’ve worked. It didn’t. Not a single senator budged. Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him. http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/suicide-of-the-right/

peacepipe
10-09-2013, 02:33 PM
http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/suicide-of-the-right/

LOL exactly. that's all you hear coming out of boner. "all we're asking for is a conversation".

peacepipe
10-09-2013, 02:35 PM
Sad to think this but it is over reacting Jet Meck starting the thread.

not an overreaction at all,but you go ahead and believe whatever it is you want to believe.

Rohirrim
10-09-2013, 02:38 PM
http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/suicide-of-the-right/


If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown — that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014 to defund it — would’ve worked. It didn’t. Not a single senator budged. Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him.



Which is why we are now going to watch them shift the argument over to the debt and forget about Obamacare. Like Humpty Dumpty said, "My words mean whatever I want them to mean." ROFL!

broncocalijohn
10-09-2013, 02:53 PM
not an overreaction at all,but you go ahead and believe whatever it is you want to believe.

Dude, "overreacting JetMeck". Not sure what the hell your comment means but I (in easy, break down words for you) stated that Garcia Bronco of being suspicious of JetMeck's claim is possible as Jet Meck likes to overreact to items.

Now wtf are you talking about? So I am not overreacting thinking Jetmeck might be making this up with his wife but then you contradict yourself and state I am believing in a falsehood (that jetmeck was telling the truth).

So, what is it peace?

cutthemdown
10-10-2013, 02:36 AM
We all know in the end Obama gives the repubs at least something so they can look like they won some little concession. No way they give up completely now, also no way Obama can let country default or go shutdown forever.

Whats funny is i bet when it comes time to fine people for not having insurance Obama gives a waiver on it, and extension. He just doesn't want to give it to repubs.

cutthemdown
10-10-2013, 02:37 AM
How can you expect people to get signed up when they can claim i tried the system didnt work? They will give an extension, thats almost 100% IMO.

peacepipe
10-10-2013, 07:47 AM
We all know in the end Obama gives the repubs at least something so they can look like they won some little concession. No way they give up completely now, also no way Obama can let country default or go shutdown forever.

Whats funny is i bet when it comes time to fine people for not having insurance Obama gives a waiver on it, and extension. He just doesn't want to give it to repubs.

The thing you don't realize is the onus to end the shutdown isn't on obama. Nor is defaulting on our debt on him. That's all on house rethugs. He does not havs to do anything for them. What will happen is rethugs will break and claim that they got the administration to agree to sequester level spending even though dems already made that concession before the shutdown.

Rohirrim
10-10-2013, 07:59 AM
We all know in the end Obama gives the repubs at least something so they can look like they won some little concession. No way they give up completely now, also no way Obama can let country default or go shutdown forever.

Whats funny is i bet when it comes time to fine people for not having insurance Obama gives a waiver on it, and extension. He just doesn't want to give it to repubs.

I don't buy that. I think Obama, at this point, must listen to the presidential historians. If he gives in to this, the presidency itself will be crippled. The anarchists in the House have put him in a no-compromise position and then demanded a compromise. For the good of the office, he has to tell them to go **** themselves.

peacepipe
10-10-2013, 10:23 AM
As I expected house gop will pass a no strings attached six week extension of the debt cieling.

barryr
10-10-2013, 12:40 PM
Hawaii had ZERO people sign up and Iowa had like 5. Yes, people are just desperate to get that healthcare. Of course waiting hours for the system to work doesn't help either, but just wait, the website will be the only problem with this fiasco. Right. Good luck.

peacepipe
10-10-2013, 03:08 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-goper-defunding-obamacare-is-off-the-table

"It all started of course because House Republicans linked the complete defunding of Obamacare to government spending. Whatever happened to that? In an op-ed in USA Today today [you said], 'Republicans have asked for two things on Obamacare and one thing on the debt ceiling,' but you didn't mention defunding Obamacare. Is that just off the table now?" Jake Tapper asked on CNN.

"That's currently off the table," Lankford, chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee, Tapper. "I can tell you that's where my constituents are overwhelmingly. They don't want this law to go into effect at all, but that's obviously not going to happen at this point."

The GOP have all but conceded defeat,now it's in the: how do we get out of this hole and still save face" phase.

IIRC, this whole temper tantrum by the GOP was about defunding obamacare. with that gone,what's left.

BroncoBeavis
10-10-2013, 04:55 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-goper-defunding-obamacare-is-off-the-table



The GOP have all but conceded defeat,now it's in the: how do we get out of this hole and still save face" phase.

IIRC, this whole temper tantrum by the GOP was about defunding obamacare. with that gone,what's left.

Dude, it was the Cruz contingent that was fighting for defunding. Republican leadership was all about a 1-year delay. When they get it, they won. No other way to spin it.

DenverBrit
10-10-2013, 05:23 PM
Dude, it was the Cruz contingent that was fighting for defunding. Republican leadership was all about a 1-year delay. When they get it, they won. No other way to spin it.

??? Translate, please. ;)

bombay
10-10-2013, 05:28 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/us/politics/debt-limit-debate.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Obama declines the short term solution.

lol

peacepipe
10-10-2013, 05:29 PM
Dude, it was the Cruz contingent that was fighting for defunding. Republican leadership was all about a 1-year delay. When they get it, they won. No other way to spin it.

your post is one big spin. there's not going to be a delay.

broncocalijohn
10-11-2013, 11:12 AM
“It wasn’t designed well, it wasn’t implemented well, and it looks like nobody tested it,” said Luke Chung, an online database programmer.

Chung supports the new health care law but said it was not the demand that is crashing the site. He thinks the entire website needs a complete overhaul.

“It’s not even close. It’s not even ready for beta testing for my book. I would be ashamed and embarrassed if my organization delivered something like that,” he said.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/09/cbs-wonders-did-anyone-bother-to-test-the-obamacare-software-first/

Amazing how so many of you guys want this Obamacare in immediately but things like above is making it a complete joke. Is it because a delay will expose more issues technically and costly or you really think this care is ready to go?

Makes me think more and more Jetmeck is full of **** and once again going off the handle to prove a "point".................................................. .......................

Pony Boy
10-11-2013, 08:55 PM
“It wasn’t designed well, it wasn’t implemented well, and it looks like nobody tested it,” said Luke Chung, an online database programmer.

Chung supports the new health care law but said it was not the demand that is crashing the site. He thinks the entire website needs a complete overhaul.

“It’s not even close. It’s not even ready for beta testing for my book. I would be ashamed and embarrassed if my organization delivered something like that,” he said.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/09/cbs-wonders-did-anyone-bother-to-test-the-obamacare-software-first/

Amazing how so many of you guys want this Obamacare in immediately but things like above is making it a complete joke. Is it because a delay will expose more issues technically and costly or you really think this care is ready to go?

Makes me think more and more Jetmeck is full of **** and once again going off the handle to prove a "point".................................................. .......................

The American taxpayers spent over $500 million on the Obamacare websites that have been plagued by problems since the launch one week ago. That’s more than more than Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn.

http://rt.com/usa/obamacare-websites-cost-millions-002/

broncocalijohn
10-12-2013, 12:26 AM
My wife typed in our cost of savings with Obamacare and we would get back only $900 of the $15k we spend on medical insurance for our family. My wife decided to skip obamacare on the fear the small savings won't be worth the headaches this "affordable" act will provide with no one knowing exactly what will become of it. I think it is going to be a learning in progress at the beginning and no way we want to be a guinea pig.

Family of 4 making a measly $30k? That gets full deduction of the cost. Gee, wonder who is paying for that? My wife and I.