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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2013, 08:52 PM
http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/26/young-voters-supported-obama-less-but-may-have-mattered-more/

Obama’s support among young voters declined among many of the same subgroups in the overall electorate in which he lost ground, particularly whites, men and independents. Obama won a majority of white non-Hispanics under 30 in 2008, but lost this group to Romney this year. In contrast, Obama won young African Americans and Hispanics by margins that were about as large as in 2008.

His losses among young voters since 2008 might have been even greater, but for the fact that the under 30s are by far the most racially and ethnically diverse age group. Just 58% are white non-Hispanic, compared with 76% of voters older than 30.

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/11/11-27-12-Young-voters.png


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/seniors-republican-young-people-democratic

Obama's presidency, meanwhile, is only seen as a moderate success – as illustrated by a rather close re-election margin in the popular vote. Given past history, it's expected to be seen as somewhere between good and average, as far as presidencies go. We would expect, therefore, that people who come of age during this presidency to be about as Democratic as the nation, or slightly more so.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/19/Millennial-Generation-Is-Abandoning-Liberalism

On Election Day in 2008, 37.4% of incoming freshman women and 30.5% men identified themselves as liberals or leftists, the most in 35 years. This corresponded four years later to 33% of Millennials describing themselves on Election Day 2012 as liberals. Given that Barack Obama lost a majority of the over 29 year olds’ vote by 50% to 48%, it was his 61% to 36% support among 18-29 year olds that swung the election in his favor. The media proclaimed that Obama’s reelection was proof the Millennials would power liberalism to dominate American politics for the many decades.
Support for Obama has fallen by 9% since Election Day, but it is the 15% collapse in support by Millennialsthat is driving Obama’s fall. Furthermore, first-year college students self-identifying as liberals has also dropped by 5 points to 26.4% for men and 32.4% for women.

houghtam
08-20-2013, 08:56 PM
Thread title should read "Obama", not "liberalism". If you think young people are rejecting liberalism, you haven't been paying attention, and you're an idiot.

I mean if that data means people are rejecting "liberalism", what do the past two election cycles say about "conservatism"?

LOL Dumb. Try again.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2013, 09:40 PM
Thread title should read "Obama", not "liberalism". If you think young people are rejecting liberalism, you haven't been paying attention, and you're an idiot.

I mean if that data means people are rejecting "liberalism", what do the past two election cycles say about "conservatism"?

LOL Dumb. Try again.

I knew you were going to say that. Look at Stone: <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vt89rP2BxI0?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>. Look at Damon: <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BmLtA8FB3Eg?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>.

The only reason you say that is because you have to protect liberalism because its failed everywhere else. LOL

Mr.Meanie
08-20-2013, 09:48 PM
I knew you were going to say that. Look at Stone: <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vt89rP2BxI0?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>. Look at Damon: <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BmLtA8FB3Eg?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>.

The only reason you say that is because you have to protect liberalism because its failed everywhere else. LOL

Those people you are referring to are upset at Obama because he's too conservative. Isn't that the exact opposite of your thread title?

Rigs11
08-20-2013, 10:00 PM
Hobo is epic fail

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2013, 10:19 PM
Hobo is epic fail

You thinking about that little list again. LOL

houghtam
08-20-2013, 10:42 PM
LOL at thread, title, OP and his life in general.

Wah wah.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-20-2013, 10:48 PM
http://global3.memecdn.com/please-like-this-cute-derp-meme_o_517259.jpg

Rohirrim
08-20-2013, 11:42 PM
The comedy is that some people think it matters who gets elected. ;D

houghtam
08-21-2013, 12:55 AM
The comedy is that some people think it matters who gets elected. ;D

Well it does...it just matters less the higher up you get.

It's more important to vote in local elections than county, county than state, state than federal.

TonyR
08-21-2013, 07:21 AM
If you think young people are rejecting liberalism, you haven't been paying attention, and you're an idiot.

LOL That and he clearly has spent much time around young people. And yes, he's clearly an idiot. This has been demonstrated far too often to ignore.

Bacchus
08-21-2013, 07:28 AM
I agree with a lot of people who say Obama has failed. I hold some of those feelings too. The drone strikes, we are still in Afghanistan, him not really budging on Drugs and his slow to the gay marriage.

But the reality of the situation is the main reason Obama gets a failing grade are republicans refusing to work with him on even elemental issues. So maybe in hind site Obama was not prepared for what the Republicans had in store for him and I am sure he would do a lot of things differently. But I know the next President will know exactly how to treat those knuckle dragging, racist barking, inbred Republicans. She has been dealing with the bastards a long time. She have 8 years of the Presidency to straighten out all the issues we have now.

BroncoBeavis
08-21-2013, 07:59 AM
I agree with a lot of people who say Obama has failed. I hold some of those feelings too. The drone strikes, we are still in Afghanistan, him not really budging on Drugs and his slow to the gay marriage.

But the reality of the situation is the main reason Obama gets a failing grade are republicans refusing to work with him on even elemental issues. So maybe in hind site Obama was not prepared for what the Republicans had in store for him and I am sure he would do a lot of things differently. But I know the next President will know exactly how to treat those knuckle dragging, racist barking, inbred Republicans. She has been dealing with the bastards a long time. She have 8 years of the Presidency to straighten out all the issues we have now.

What's sad is you (maybe) honestly think Nancy and Harry were working hard to reach across the aisle and work with President Bush.

So far as you absolve Obama, you also absolve Bush.

Rohirrim
08-21-2013, 09:31 AM
What's sad is you (maybe) honestly think Nancy and Harry were working hard to reach across the aisle and work with President Bush.

So far as you absolve Obama, you also absolve Bush.

What part of Bush's agenda was he unable to shove through that gutless Congress? They should have called that one "The Supine Congress." All Bush had to do was whistle and they rolled over. And remember the press? They knew they'd get tossed off Bush's banquet service if they got out of line so they kept their mouths shut, kissed some Bush ass, and rode the gravy train for eight years. People forget, the NYTimes did more to take down Al Gore and sell the Iraq invasion than any other single news organization. They did a better job than Fox Spews. The second Bush left office, the Right Wing mouth breathers suddenly "rediscovered" their fiscal conservatism. First president ever to not veto a single bill in his first term. Why should he? He got everything he wanted.

What Obama has dealt with is the polar opposite of what Bush had facing him. The last president to face the kind of radical polarization of a major party that Obama has faced was Lincoln. Of course, Right Wingers compete with China in their penchant for rewriting history. Half of America (the half that listens to Fox Spews) thinks they are victims, even though their policy agenda has dominated the country for thirty years. :rofl:

Of course, Obama has failed miserably. Imagine if Lincoln had come into office and simply ignored the secession of states? That's the equivalent of what Obama has done in the face of the Wall Street/Bankster takeover of our country. Instead, he invited some of the biggest pirates to come into his WH and map out his policy for him.

I can only imagine what TR would have done. 2/3rds of those crooks would have been sitting behind bars right now. The rest would have been financially ruined. And the people wouldn't have been stuck with the tab. Too big to fail? TR would have laughed out loud and with a big, ****-eating grin, marched down Wall Street and personally dragged those thieves from their mahogany throne rooms.

BroncoBeavis
08-21-2013, 09:41 AM
Dems rip new Fannie Mae regulatory measure

July 28, 2005

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2005/07/28/Dems-rip-new-Fannie-Mae-regulatory-measure/UPI-20231122581039/

White House efforts to trim the portfolios of mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac drew criticism from the Senate's top Democrat.

...

The measure is seen as a way to trim the portfolios of the entities, which have come under attack from Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan among others, as bloated.

"The legislation from the Senate banking committee, passed today on a party line vote by the Republican majority, includes measures that could cripple the ability of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to carry out their mission of expanding homeownership," said Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., the Senate Minority Leader Thursday.

LOL

nyuk nyuk
08-22-2013, 12:06 PM
Thread title should read "Obama", not "liberalism". If you think young people are rejecting liberalism, you haven't been paying attention, and you're an idiot.

I mean if that data means people are rejecting "liberalism", what do the past two election cycles say about "conservatism"?

LOL Dumb. Try again.

To save liberalism, throw Obama under the bus. Nice.

houghtam
08-22-2013, 12:08 PM
To save liberalism, throw Obama under the bus. Nice.

No?

The article itself refers to several polls about people's reaction to "Obama".

Not a whole lot in there about "liberalism".

Rohirrim
08-22-2013, 12:10 PM
For all intents and purposes, Obama has been a seamless transition from Bush. The Right Wingers are only hysterical about him because he's black.

nyuk nyuk
08-22-2013, 12:21 PM
For all intents and purposes, Obama has been a seamless transition from Bush. The Right Wingers are only hysterical about him because he's black.

Well it has to be. After all that's what The Narrative says. There are plenty of differences which you choose to ignore which you would see if for example you read through a conservative site like Townhall or the DC.

nyuk nyuk
08-22-2013, 12:22 PM
LOL That and he clearly has spent much time around young people. And yes, he's clearly an idiot. This has been demonstrated far too often to ignore.

The ignorance of youth? I think we're all aware of it. That's why they went for O to begin with.

Rohirrim
08-22-2013, 12:24 PM
Well it has to be. After all that's what The Narrative says. There are plenty of differences which you choose to ignore which you would see if for example you read through a conservative site like Townhall or the DC.

Narrative my ass. If I said the narrative was A, you'd say it was B. If I said it was B, you'd say it was A. It's all just bull****. By any political measure of policy and program, there has been little variation since Reagan came into office.

Requiem
08-22-2013, 05:14 PM
A lot of people are disappointed with his presidency from my generation. However, it would be disingenuous to state millenials are abandoning liberalism or like qualities. Most embrace them. If anything, more people are becoming apathetic about American politics. I still see rigorous involvement from youth at the state and local levels.

If I strolled downtown here and asked millenials if they line up more with liberalism or conservatism, I would wager an overwhelming majority would say the former.

houghtam
08-22-2013, 05:20 PM
A lot of people are disappointed with his presidency from my generation. However, it would be disingenuous to state millenials are abandoning liberalism or like qualities. Most embrace them. If anything, more people are becoming apathetic about American politics. I still see rigorous involvement from youth at the state and local levels.

If I strolled downtown here and asked millenials if they line up more with liberalism or conservatism, I would wager an overwhelming majority would say the former.

And don't you live in a red state?

I live in Indiana right now, and I can't find a single person under 35 who is a conservative. Not saying there aren't any...that's far from true, but to say millennials are dropping liberalism?

LOL

No.

No, and no, and no.

Rohirrim
08-22-2013, 05:33 PM
Just because Fox and the rabid Right keep squealing that Obama is a liberal socialist doesn't make him one. I'm sure most twenty-somethings see through the bull****.

Requiem
08-22-2013, 07:14 PM
And don't you live in a red state?

I live in Indiana right now, and I can't find a single person under 35 who is a conservative. Not saying there aren't any...that's far from true, but to say millennials are dropping liberalism?

LOL

No.

No, and no, and no.

Yeah. I am back up in North Dakota. I live in the downtown metro area so Minnesota is just a stones throw away. This area isn't like the rest of the state, but it has a lot of liberal qualities due to several schools being in the area. There are definitely conservatives here, but the number of youth who are is astoundingly low. When I was with the governmental and collegiate affairs commission with the NDSA/SG -- I had the opportunity to see the grassroots efforts from both sides of the spectrum. Regardless of where I went, "libs" had more boots on the ground than the other guys, especially East of the Missouri.

I had done some work for the College Republicans and state party re: graphic design and publication development for the first time Obama ran. I had done a district of analysis of Ron Paul and helped spearhead the efforts to get him to speak at my Uni because I thought it would be interesting. Hardly any youth showed up. Very few college Republicans, maybe twenty of their several hundred. At Dem events without major figures, way more people showed up.

All and all -- It was worth the coin. I was paid well for my efforts. Was surprised to see what I did.

The truth of the matter is this: liberalism isn't being abandoned. In many ways my peers are looking for stronger reforms than what Congress and our spineless leaders have put into place. Some have reverted to apathy all together. I would venture to say most my peers do not give a **** one way or the other nationally. They realize grassroot efforts locally make more of a difference.

Hobo can keep firing blanks though. He is used to it.

Requiem
08-22-2013, 07:23 PM
Just because Fox and the rabid Right keep squealing that Obama is a liberal socialist doesn't make him one. I'm sure most twenty-somethings see through the bull****.

Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.

houghtam
08-22-2013, 07:51 PM
Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.

Things are turning around in the Midwest, at least. There are a lot of people hiring in several of the towns I've lived in and kept contacts in over the last few years. Down south things have slowly been improving for quite awhile.

Nothing will compare to several years ago, when I went 1/250 on resumes nationwide.

Hang in there, like that stupid cat.

Rohirrim
08-22-2013, 07:57 PM
Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.

Worst times I've seen in my life. Hope we all make it. :thumbs:

Requiem
08-22-2013, 08:05 PM
Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-22-2013, 08:49 PM
Yeah. I am back up in North Dakota. I live in the downtown metro area so Minnesota is just a stones throw away. This area isn't like the rest of the state, but it has a lot of liberal qualities due to several schools being in the area. There are definitely conservatives here, but the number of youth who are is astoundingly low. When I was with the governmental and collegiate affairs commission with the NDSA/SG -- I had the opportunity to see the grassroots efforts from both sides of the spectrum. Regardless of where I went, "libs" had more boots on the ground than the other guys, especially East of the Missouri.

I had done some work for the College Republicans and state party re: graphic design and publication development for the first time Obama ran. I had done a district of analysis of Ron Paul and helped spearhead the efforts to get him to speak at my Uni because I thought it would be interesting. Hardly any youth showed up. Very few college Republicans, maybe twenty of their several hundred. At Dem events without major figures, way more people showed up.

All and all -- It was worth the coin. I was paid well for my efforts. Was surprised to see what I did.

The truth of the matter is this: liberalism isn't being abandoned. In many ways my peers are looking for stronger reforms than what Congress and our spineless leaders have put into place. Some have reverted to apathy all together. I would venture to say most my peers do not give a **** one way or the other nationally. They realize grassroot efforts locally make more of a difference.

Hobo can keep firing blanks though. He is used to it.

Is this the winning you guys keep referring too? LOL

Requiem
08-22-2013, 08:58 PM
Just real talk, hobo.

nyuk nyuk
08-22-2013, 11:25 PM
Is this the winning you guys keep referring too? LOL

It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.

nyuk nyuk
08-22-2013, 11:30 PM
Either side, we see through it. My generation has a chip on its shoulders because of all the wolf tickets our predecessors sold us. We are fighting tooth and nail beside 40+ year olds who got laid off because corporate America would rather pay a fresh kid 1/4 the salary for the same work.

The unemployment offices are littered with people of that demographic, even moreso than people my age. I found it surprising. Even in ND, the market is tough. I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating, but I am fortunate to get interviews. I have a buddy who just finished his Master's and is 2/100 on apps / interviews. Crazy.

I am almost down to the felt, but just tell myself it always works out and read Serenity's Prayer whenever I get down. I wish my grandpa was still alive so he could tell me stories about his life and how hard that was. Just thankful to be alive.


Don't be surprised. If they aren't booting out people who command higher salaries in favor of rookies, they're bringing in cheaper foreign labor or outright outsourcing. The level of loyalty and decency in the common business climate is rock bottom. All this loud clamor about "celebrate diversity" is garbage; it's about bringing in lesser-paid workers ripe for exploitation and them not wanting society to object.

If you want to read about how hard life was in your grandfather's time, check out a book called The Worst Hard Time about the Dust Bowl. It would blow your mind. The latter half of the book, especially.

Requiem
08-22-2013, 11:38 PM
After we go on a date and I get to at least second base. Then you can show me the book.

alkemical
08-23-2013, 09:22 AM
Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.

Don't feel that way....it sucks to come face to face with where we're at. Just remember that mercantilism defeated feudalism.

#serfsup

Pony Boy
08-23-2013, 10:24 AM
Just real talk, hobo.

Maybe time to think about retooling ..........trade in that liberal arts diploma in for a CDL license, Spider is crapping in tall cotton in SD, maybe you could be his swamper and get a little on the job training.

Hit a gold mine up here in N.D. 25.00 an hour 90 hours a week but no bronco news internet is hit and miss ...

DenverBrit
08-23-2013, 11:14 AM
It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.

But the REAL idiots are the one's who adopt the extreme 'utopian' views like Marxism. :~ohyah!:

houghtam
08-23-2013, 11:22 AM
It's actually not very complimentary that younger people are liberals and older ones are conservatives. It reflects the idiocy of liberalism that people lacking in life experience, street smarts, and critical thinking skills are the ones more likely to fall for utopian concepts.

"Utopian concepts"?

LOL

Liberal ideals are no more "utopian" in their scope than wanting to lower taxes yet still pay for the things we need to exist as a nation, or believing relieving the tax burden on the wealthy will make their money "trickle down" to the lower classes, or deregulating commerce and believing the free market system will magically sort it out for you.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 11:29 AM
Hope we all do too. A 60 count of a generic brand of kidney meds I need for the month cost me more than what I get a week in unemployment. I felt bad taking my coins to a Coinstar to help pay for it. I felt like a worthless POS.

I wouldn't mind some kind of national healthcare service for Americans but the problem is with our porous borders, we simply cannot shoulder it. We're already heavily burdened with being Mexico's welfare tit as it is.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 11:29 AM
"Utopian concepts"?

LOL

Liberal ideals are no more "utopian" in their scope than wanting to lower taxes yet still pay for the things we need to exist as a nation, or believing relieving the tax burden on the wealthy will make their money "trickle down" to the lower classes, or deregulating commerce and believing the free market system will magically sort it out for you.

Except I didn't say those things were utopian ideals. "Tricke down" isn't a valid economic theory or economic policy; it's a political slur with no foundation in reality.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 11:31 AM
After we go on a date and I get to at least second base. Then you can show me the book.

Okay it's a deal. ^5 :kiss:

houghtam
08-23-2013, 11:52 AM
Except I didn't say those things were utopian ideals. "Tricke down" isn't a valid economic theory or economic policy; it's a political slur with no foundation in reality.

LOL sure.

Pick one point and argue semantics. Look at you! Who's the winner? Dramallama is! Dramallama wins!

Uhh

All three are ideological, perfect world arguments with no basis in the real world that simply either don't work, as in the case of the conservative economic policies under Reagan (and others), or are based on ideals that cannot be replicated in practice, as in the case of the other two.

Yes. Conservative utopian concepts.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 11:56 AM
LOL sure.

Pick one point and argue semantics. Look at you! Who's the winner? Dramallama is! Dramallama wins!

Uhh

All three are ideological, perfect world arguments with no basis in the real world that simply either don't work, as in the case of the conservative economic policies under Reagan (and others), or are based on ideals that cannot be replicated in practice, as in the case of the other two.

Yes. Conservative utopian concepts.

It's not a matter of semantics in the least. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Thomas Sowell's Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdUz3oRdSnhUAaWRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzOWkzOXB hBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1NNRTI3M18x/SIG=1266rodn3/EXP=1377309303/**http%3a//www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%2520Proof.pdf)

houghtam
08-23-2013, 12:02 PM
It's not a matter of semantics in the least. You just have no idea what you're talking about.

Thomas Sowell's Trickle Down Theory and Tax Cuts for the Rich (http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdUz3oRdSnhUAaWRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzOWkzOXB hBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1NNRTI3M18x/SIG=1266rodn3/EXP=1377309303/**http%3a//www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%2520Proof.pdf)

Yawn. Care to address anything else I posted?

Can you?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-23-2013, 12:40 PM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p320x320/1148958_628441870510187_237432288_n.jpg

houghtam
08-23-2013, 12:41 PM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p320x320/1148958_628441870510187_237432288_n.jpg

"Facts" like Obama = liberalism?

LOL LOL LOL

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 01:01 PM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p320x320/1148958_628441870510187_237432288_n.jpg

Spot on. I've had this happen to me more times than I can count. Probably 100 or so on this forum alone.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 01:02 PM
Yawn. Care to address anything else I posted?

Can you?

Your entire post is based on fallacious economic myths. There's nothing to address. Are you expecting me to dismantle your strawman step by step? I think posting a small booklet which shows the mythology behind the false "trickle down" concept and what the real economic theory is is more than adequate.

snowspot66
08-23-2013, 01:09 PM
Count me among the apathetic.

I've turned to the George Carlin school of politics.

Rohirrim
08-23-2013, 01:22 PM
lib·er·al·ism (lbr--lzm, lbr-)
n.
1. The state or quality of being liberal.
2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.

That sounds ****ing horrible.

Pony Boy
08-23-2013, 01:42 PM
I have had six or seven interviews since I moved up, no offers. Most said I was overqualified. It is getting frustrating

So, what does "you're overqualified" really mean?

Have you ever had an employer or recruiter say you're "overqualified" for a job? Honestly, how can you really be "overqualified" for a job? You can either do the job, or you can't. How can having more experience than required be a negative, right?

First, it's important to know that it's a catch-all excuse that hiring managers, recruiters and HR use to politely eliminate you from the candidate pool. Why do they use it? If they said what they were really passing on you for, it would seem silly, petty, or down-right discriminatory. In fact, here are nine most common reasons they are saying it.

1. Your personality isn't a match for the office/department culture.
2. You don't look like you would fit in.
3. You seem like a slow worker.
4. You have too many degrees and/or were paid too much previously.
5. You didn't seem reliable.
6. You acted like a know-it-all in the interview.
7. You didn't seem like you really knew what you were talking about.
8. I don't like you, can't see working with you every day, and I just don't want to be rude.
9. I already have the candidate I want and interviewing you is just a formality.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/22/what-the-employer-really-means-when-he-says-youre-overqualifie/

houghtam
08-23-2013, 01:49 PM
So, what does "you're overqualified" really mean?

Have you ever had an employer or recruiter say you're "overqualified" for a job? Honestly, how can you really be "overqualified" for a job? You can either do the job, or you can't. How can having more experience than required be a negative, right?

First, it's important to know that it's a catch-all excuse that hiring managers, recruiters and HR use to politely eliminate you from the candidate pool. Why do they use it? If they said what they were really passing on you for, it would seem silly, petty, or down-right discriminatory. In fact, here are nine most common reasons they are saying it.

1. Your personality isn't a match for the office/department culture.
2. You don't look like you would fit in.
3. You seem like a slow worker.
4. You have too many degrees and/or were paid too much previously.
5. You didn't seem reliable.
6. You acted like a know-it-all in the interview.
7. You didn't seem like you really knew what you were talking about.
8. I don't like you, can't see working with you every day, and I just don't want to be rude.
9. I already have the candidate I want and interviewing you is just a formality.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/22/what-the-employer-really-means-when-he-says-youre-overqualifie/

Actually, as someone who handled HR for several companies over the past 15 years, dealing with interviews, hiring and firing on a daily basis, "overqualified" means exactly what it says.

If someone is overqualified for a job, it means that they are more likely to leave that job for another, and are therefore more of a liability to hire than someone who is adequately qualified for a job.

To put it in simple terms, if you have an 18 year old with no work experience and a 30 year old with 10 years management experience both applying for a minimum wage job at McDonald's, I'm going to hire the 18 year old, because it is more likely that the 30 year old is going to keep searching for (and find) other employment, causing me to have to replace him or her much more quickly than I would the 18 year old.

I would think if you ran a successful business, something as simple as this would come second nature to you and not cause you to go search for an AOL jobs article to poorly support whatever point it is you're trying to make.

I'm waiting for the inevitable influx of guffaws telling me I'm saying that Req applied for a job at McDonald's and about how I popped popcorn at a movie theater instead of, you know, addressing the point.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-23-2013, 02:39 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1012480_10151541996005841_1735791579_n.jpg

houghtam
08-23-2013, 02:42 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1012480_10151541996005841_1735791579_n.jpg

More recent study:

UltimateHobo is a toothless boor.

Pony Boy
08-23-2013, 03:33 PM
Actually, as someone who handled HR for several companies over the past 15 years, dealing with interviews, hiring and firing on a daily basis, "overqualified" means exactly what it says.

I think you're missing the point the post was more "tongue & cheek" ........ Requiem is not overqualified to be the greeter at Wal-Mart.

I have hired more people than most over the past 40 years and not for other companies but for my own companies. In all those years I never used the term "overqualified" there are more effective and less offensive ways to tell a person they are not what we are looking for to fill the available position.

houghtam
08-23-2013, 03:39 PM
I think you're missing the point the post was more "tongue & cheek" ........ Requiem is not overqualified to be the greeter at Wal-Mart.

I have hired more people than most over the past 40 years and not for other companies but for my own companies. In all those years I never used the term "overqualified" there are more effective and less offensive ways to tell a person they are not what we are looking for to fill the available position.

Congratulations. I'm glad you clarified such and important and relevant aspect of the discussion. We're truly blessed.

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 03:41 PM
I'm waiting for the inevitable influx of guffaws telling me I'm saying that Req applied for a job at McDonald's and about how I popped popcorn at a movie theater instead of, you know, addressing the point.

Nothing wrong with popping popcorn. There's a guy at Century Aurora that does it that's pretty cute.

:yayaya:

houghtam
08-23-2013, 04:40 PM
Nothing wrong with popping popcorn. There's a guy at Century Aurora that does it that's pretty cute.

:yayaya:

He's probably 16...are you a member of NAMBLA?

nyuk nyuk
08-23-2013, 04:41 PM
He's probably 16...are you a member of NAMBLA?

Well older. One of their ushers is an elderly man.

Requiem
08-23-2013, 05:32 PM
Actually, as someone who handled HR for several companies over the past 15 years, dealing with interviews, hiring and firing on a daily basis, "overqualified" means exactly what it says.

If someone is overqualified for a job, it means that they are more likely to leave that job for another, and are therefore more of a liability to hire than someone who is adequately qualified for a job.

To put it in simple terms, if you have an 18 year old with no work experience and a 30 year old with 10 years management experience both applying for a minimum wage job at McDonald's, I'm going to hire the 18 year old, because it is more likely that the 30 year old is going to keep searching for (and find) other employment, causing me to have to replace him or her much more quickly than I would the 18 year old.

I would think if you ran a successful business, something as simple as this would come second nature to you and not cause you to go search for an AOL jobs article to poorly support whatever point it is you're trying to make.

I'm waiting for the inevitable influx of guffaws telling me I'm saying that Req applied for a job at McDonald's and about how I popped popcorn at a movie theater instead of, you know, addressing the point.

It was Pony's way of trying to piss on me. On my government contract I was told by my supervisor that I was overqualified and deserved more pay than what was being offered. I gladly accepted anyways. It is understandable for a company to pass someone up who is likely to move on anyways. I am honest and upfront with my aims and goals. I would rather places hire a kid to start out and let them make $10 an hour instead of settle and likely move on shortly down the road.

Fedaykin
08-23-2013, 05:44 PM
So, what does "you're overqualified" really mean?

Have you ever had an employer or recruiter say you're "overqualified" for a job? Honestly, how can you really be "overqualified" for a job? You can either do the job, or you can't. How can having more experience than required be a negative, right?

First, it's important to know that it's a catch-all excuse that hiring managers, recruiters and HR use to politely eliminate you from the candidate pool. Why do they use it? If they said what they were really passing on you for, it would seem silly, petty, or down-right discriminatory. In fact, here are nine most common reasons they are saying it.

1. Your personality isn't a match for the office/department culture.
2. You don't look like you would fit in.
3. You seem like a slow worker.
4. You have too many degrees and/or were paid too much previously.
5. You didn't seem reliable.
6. You acted like a know-it-all in the interview.
7. You didn't seem like you really knew what you were talking about.
8. I don't like you, can't see working with you every day, and I just don't want to be rude.
9. I already have the candidate I want and interviewing you is just a formality.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/22/what-the-employer-really-means-when-he-says-youre-overqualifie/


As someone who regularly does hiring, the biggest reason I've ever had to say someone is "overqualified" is because... they are overqualified. It doesn't do me any good to hire a senior level developer into a junior level position, because the liklyhood of that senior level person hanging around in a Jr. position any longer than it takes them to find a senior level position is nill.

I have, on occasion, converted a position to a higher level to take on someone I feel would be really good, but only when I could afford to do so.

houghtam
08-23-2013, 05:45 PM
I would rather places hire a kid to start out and let them make $10 an hour instead of settle and likely move on shortly down the road.

So would I, and raising the minimum wage would cut down on that considerably. If someone is making a living wage, regardless their age, they're far less likely to move to another job. It is not as if, just because the minimum wage jumps up, everyone else's wages jump up too

I know it's an age-old widely held belief that raising the minimum wage means everyone's wage needs to go up or else the old employees revolt because they were making X percent above minimum and now they're making X minus...but it's all bunk.

I've been involved in 4 separate minimum wage hikes with three different companies, and in no instance did upper management adjust the wages of those already making minimum or above. None.

Considering it costs far less to retain an old employee than it does to hire a new one, raising the minimum wage in this instance actually helps employee retention, regardless of what people want to do with those facts.

Rohirrim
08-24-2013, 10:51 AM
Liberalism is pragmatic and adapts to the future. Conservatism is ideological and lives in the past. A successful society is one in which burdens and benefits are shared. You can't have a viable society based on the dogma of every man for himself. A kindergartner could tell you that.

Oh, and greed is not good, for those who can't seem to figure that out.