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TonyR
08-08-2013, 10:16 AM
A must read article for those of you gearing up for Sunday night.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/08/breaking-bad-the-7-plot-points-you-need-to-remember-for-the-final-season.html

razorwire77
08-08-2013, 10:49 AM
Awesome recap. Thanks for posting.

HILife
08-08-2013, 11:12 AM
Great show. Will be watching it.

cmhargrove
08-08-2013, 11:16 AM
I'm going to shave my head and cook something blue Sunday night so i'll be ready...

razorwire77
08-08-2013, 11:38 AM
The "blue meth" prop is actually made by a local candy store in Albuquerque. There is a rumor going around that a large purchase of the blue candy was made by the producers after the show rapped up production on the final episodes. Gotta wonder if it relates to a continuation of the show in some form after this season.

http://thecandylady.com/HouseSpcls.html

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-08-2013, 11:48 AM
The "blue meth" prop is actually made by a local candy store in Albuquerque. There is a rumor going around that a large purchase of the blue candy was made by the producers after the show rapped up production on the final episodes. Gotta wonder if it relates to a continuation of the show in some form after this season.

http://thecandylady.com/HouseSpcls.html

So the real Heisenburg is the candy lady

Broncomutt
08-08-2013, 12:22 PM
Never really paid attention to the show despite the enormous positive press it always gets. Meth dealers aren't really my crowd.

Two weeks ago I'm feeling sick and bored so I tried it on Netflix. The show is like meth itself. Wasted the past two weekends watching all 5.5 seasons.

Finally understand why everyone is calling this the best show on television. I believe it.

Great soundtrack too.

baja
08-08-2013, 12:25 PM
Never really paid attention to the show despite the enormous positive press it always gets. Meth dealers aren't really my crowd.

Two weeks ago I'm feeling sick and bored so I tried it on Netflix. The show is like meth itself. Wasted the past two weekends watching all 5.5 seasons.

Finally understand why everyone is calling this the best show on television. I believe it.

Great soundtrack too.

That was my first reaction too and then I did the same as you and watched all episodes. I even paid for the latest season. The show is so incredibly well written

TD4HOF
08-08-2013, 12:31 PM
I've never done meth and yet feel like a grizzled vet thanks to this show.

Lestat
08-08-2013, 12:35 PM
I normally like watching shows that depict bad guys in a different way.
That's why i love Breaking Bad, SOA. It's interesting to see the other side of the criminal or bad person. It humanizes them and allows you to see something other than "Typical bad guy."

I'm not gonna cheer for a bad person in real life. But in a different cinematic type of universe it's fun to see.

bronco militia
08-08-2013, 12:37 PM
hola DEA
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Requiem
08-08-2013, 12:44 PM
Derek and I love watching this.

The episodes are real skin scratchers.

Awooooooooo.

El Guapo
08-08-2013, 02:41 PM
Best show on TV. Ever. Im currently re-watching all of it because the wife never watched it. It's even better the second time around. Hoping to catch up in time, but that's doubtful. Oh well, I'll still watch. :D

El Minion
08-08-2013, 02:47 PM
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Cmac821
08-08-2013, 03:04 PM
My coworkers raved about Breaking Bad for a few years so I think the show was way over hyped by the time I watched it because I've found it to be good not great.

But nonetheless I've watched every episode and I don't want to miss out the new episodes. That way I will actually be able to talk to people, since I assume the finale will be all the buzz.

MileHighMagic
08-08-2013, 03:20 PM
Walter White lives just a couple streets down from me. It was pretty cool to see the "Better Call Saul" billboard and to see them filming around town.

Bronco X
08-08-2013, 05:27 PM
Never really paid attention to the show despite the enormous positive press it always gets. Meth dealers aren't really my crowd.

Two weeks ago I'm feeling sick and bored so I tried it on Netflix. The show is like meth itself. Wasted the past two weekends watching all 5.5 seasons.

Finally understand why everyone is calling this the best show on television. I believe it.

Great soundtrack too.

A lot of people seem to have this trepidation about getting into the show. A couple of friends specifically won't watch it because they have too much personal experience with meth heads. All I tell them is, don't delude yourself into thinking you are even close to as smart as the writers of the show and the characters they've created. And that's not an insult, that's just how intelligently written the show is, and it's quite rare.

That's not even the strongest point of the show, IMO. From about season 3 on, the aesthetic of the show (direction, cinematography, editing, music, etc.) has been absolutely stellar. Some of the best set pieces I've seen in recent years from any motion picture medium have come from this show.

The show keeps getting better as it goes along too. I've seen many shows falter at the end, but I'm totally confident Breaking Bad will end as great as it's been through 5 1/2 seasons. I can't wait...

ShutDownPoster
08-09-2013, 05:50 AM
Definitely my favorite television show of all time, and one of the greatest ever to grace the small screen. I'm also sad to see it end, but I'm sure its gonna be one helluva final trip.

A couple of things that are a bit unfortunate is that Gus was offed too soon - he was an amazing character played by the awesome Giancarlo Esposito - if you get a chance to see 1994's Fresh where he plays another albeit totally different drug-lord Esteban, you can see the fantastic range he has as an actor. The other thing is the splitting up of season five really disturbed the pace of the show.

Vegas_Bronco
08-09-2013, 06:19 AM
Walking Dead or Breaking Bad?

TonyR
08-09-2013, 06:31 AM
Walking Dead or Breaking Bad?

I like both shows but BB is considerably better.

Broncomutt
08-09-2013, 06:55 AM
A lot of people seem to have this trepidation about getting into the show. A couple of friends specifically won't watch it because they have too much personal experience with meth heads. All I tell them is, don't delude yourself into thinking you are even close to as smart as the writers of the show and the characters they've created. And that's not an insult, that's just how intelligently written the show is, and it's quite rare.

That's not even the strongest point of the show, IMO. From about season 3 on, the aesthetic of the show (direction, cinematography, editing, music, etc.) has been absolutely stellar. Some of the best set pieces I've seen in recent years from any motion picture medium have come from this show.

The show keeps getting better as it goes along too. I've seen many shows falter at the end, but I'm totally confident Breaking Bad will end as great as it's been through 5 1/2 seasons. I can't wait...

I agree. While the writing and directing is as good as it gets, it's also some of the finest acting I have ever seen as well. Lady at work tells me Cranston has won a bunch of awards for his portrayal of Walter White. He deserves 'em. Also a great job by Jesse, Skyler, Hank, Gus, Walt Jr, et al.

And she tells me season five is 16 episodes instead of just 13. :thumbs:

TonyR
08-09-2013, 07:03 AM
Lady at work tells me Cranston has won a bunch of awards for his portrayal of Walter White.

Won the Emmy in 2008, 2009, and 2010. Nominated 2012 (didn't win) and 2013 (hasn't yet occurred). Several other wins and nominations.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0186505/awards

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-09-2013, 08:02 AM
Best show on TV. Ever. Im currently re-watching all of it because the wife never watched it. It's even better the second time around. Hoping to catch up in time, but that's doubtful. Oh well, I'll still watch. :D

It is great. The best show on TV right now.

Ever? Still The Wire.

razorwire77
08-09-2013, 10:15 AM
It is great. The best show on TV right now.

Ever? Still The Wire.

No doubt. I was born and raised in NM and spent the past 20 years in Albuquerque. Breaking Bad is an amazing show and it's fun to see all of the local Albuquerque references and landmarks ( I live like a mile from Walt's Car Wash), but The Wire is the GOAT. It's not even really close.

Taco John
08-09-2013, 10:38 AM
It is great. The best show on TV right now.

Ever? Still The Wire.

You come at the king, you best not miss...

Taco John
08-09-2013, 10:40 AM
I'm in the middle of Season 4 of Breaking Bad right now... Episode 8.

So many shocker moments... Even "cringe" moments in this series... Great show.

TonyR
08-09-2013, 11:09 AM
...The Wire is the GOAT. It's not even really close.

I vacillate between The Wire and The Sopranos, so I'd only argue with the "not close" part.

Lolad
08-09-2013, 11:35 AM
Definitely my favorite television show of all time, and one of the greatest ever to grace the small screen. I'm also sad to see it end, but I'm sure its gonna be one helluva final trip.

A couple of things that are a bit unfortunate is that Gus was offed too soon - he was an amazing character played by the awesome Giancarlo Esposito - if you get a chance to see 1994's Fresh where he plays another albeit totally different drug-lord Esteban, you can see the fantastic range he has as an actor. The other thing is the splitting up of season five really disturbed the pace of the show.


He was by far the greatest villain EVER. I like how they killed him

yerner
08-09-2013, 12:16 PM
I vacillate between The Wire and The Sopranos, so I'd only argue with the "not close" part.

There are a few at the top. I think it's just personal preference. For me, the flat out most entertaining show of all time is Breaking Bad. Just more fun to watch than The Wire or The Sopranos. But it's arguable forever.

razorwire77
08-09-2013, 12:49 PM
I vacillate between The Wire and The Sopranos, so I'd only argue with the "not close" part.

Sopranos was great too. Although, the year of the Big Gay Vito episodes sort of knock it down slightly below The Wire in my book. That story arc took way too long. I thought the series finished really strongly though. Tony in hotel purgatory after getting shot where Steve Buscemi's apparition is trying to talk him into the family reunion/hell was truly brilliant television. The ending was brilliant too, although a lot of casual fans of the show didn't get it.

baja
08-09-2013, 12:51 PM
I'm watching episode 48 right now.

El Minion
08-09-2013, 02:48 PM
You come at the king, you best not miss...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8coxnTJKn1qm3r26o1_500.jpg

El Minion
08-09-2013, 02:54 PM
Sopranos was great too. Although, the year of the Big Gay Vito episodes sort of knock it down slightly below The Wire in my book. That story arc took way too long. I thought the series finished really strongly though. Tony in hotel purgatory after getting shot where Steve Buscemi's apparition is trying to talk him into the family reunion/hell was truly brilliant television. The ending was brilliant too, although a lot of casual fans of the show didn't get it.

Read somewhere that HBO demanded extra episodes to stretch out the final season so David Chase used a story line that he abandoned years before. Though the Johnny Cakes episodes did throw me at first, I think they could have been fleshed out more if not rushed to production. But Sopranos still the best show in the past 20 years.

TonyR
08-09-2013, 03:01 PM
Another good read:

https://medium.com/the-t-v-age/c77dfbaee55

B-Large
08-09-2013, 03:54 PM
Breaking Bad is an amazing show, probably the best I have ever seen based on writing. Not in the genre but outstanding, Mad Men. It will be sad when they are done.

Bronco X
08-11-2013, 09:14 PM
Welcome back show, and thank you for kicking my ass once again.

Man-Goblin
08-11-2013, 09:36 PM
Just...awesome.

ShutDownPoster
08-11-2013, 09:44 PM
Now who is the ricin for? Hank, Jesse, Skyler...? Or knowing how they always suprise us - some mystery target.

Broncomutt
08-12-2013, 10:14 AM
Anybody know where a person can watch S5 E9 if they've cut the cable/satellite cord? Looks like Netflix is only offering it in the UK with no date for the US release.

Lucky gits.

MileHighMagic
08-12-2013, 10:21 AM
Now who is the ricin for? Hank, Jesse, Skyler...? Or knowing how they always suprise us - some mystery target.

Lydia?

bronco militia
08-12-2013, 10:24 AM
finally

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Bronco X
08-12-2013, 11:23 AM
Anybody know where a person can watch S5 E9 if they've cut the cable/satellite cord? Looks like Netflix is only offering it in the UK with no date for the US release.

Lucky gits.

You can purchase individual episodes on demand (or the entire season) from Amazon and itunes. They are usually released within 24 hours of the original airing. $2 SD, $3 HD. Or you can go the torrent route...

Natedogg
08-12-2013, 12:03 PM
www.thepiratebay.org

ShutDownPoster
08-12-2013, 12:06 PM
Lydia?

Could be for Heisenberg, I mean take out his remaining nemesis then off himself via ricin so he will never see the inside of a prison.

Harvitz81
08-12-2013, 12:28 PM
Wow, just wow to last nights episode.

Didn't see the confrontation with Hank coming so soon. What a cliffhanger ending!

Natedogg
08-12-2013, 12:59 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/this-breaking-bad-theory-is-pretty-mindblowing

TonyR
08-23-2013, 10:14 AM
Interesting point I hadn't thought of...
...Skyler is right: She does need a lawyer. Not to protect Walt, but to protect herself. Consider this email I got from reader Drew Ryce, an attorney, about Hankís prospects for nailing Walt on money laundering and tax evasion:

Plenty of physical evidence, tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions of dollars locked up in storage rooms. Except look at Walter's defense. Walter didn't launder anything. His wife did the laundering. Perhaps on behalf of Gustavo and/or the cartel. Think about it. She rents the storage areas. Not Walter. She fiddles the books. Not Walter. She runs the car wash. She ran a complex tax evasion scheme with Ted's company (which clearly had nothing to do with Walter).
Itís too late for Skyler to come clean. I didnít know it till now, but she did.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2013/breaking_bad_final_season/week_2/breaking_bad_recap_buried_sees_skyler_face_off_wit h_hank_and_marie.html

SportinOne
08-23-2013, 11:00 AM
Anybody know where a person can watch S5 E9 if they've cut the cable/satellite cord? Looks like Netflix is only offering it in the UK with no date for the US release.

Lucky gits.

investigate bit torrents

Agamemnon
08-23-2013, 11:15 AM
I vacillate between The Wire and The Sopranos, so I'd only argue with the "not close" part.

I don't understand how anyone could prefer either of those shows to Breaking Bad, but to each their own.

Kaylore
08-23-2013, 12:23 PM
Interesting point I hadn't thought of...

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/tv_club/features/2013/breaking_bad_final_season/week_2/breaking_bad_recap_buried_sees_skyler_face_off_wit h_hank_and_marie.html

Her cooking the books for Ted alone ties all the other things to her.

Broncomutt
08-23-2013, 12:36 PM
Thanks for the info, catching it on iTunes.

:spit: at Scotty beaming Chekov's guts into space.

menonite
08-23-2013, 12:55 PM
I don't understand how anyone could prefer either of those shows to Breaking Bad, but to each their own.


I have yet to watch The Wire, but The Sopranos was not even in the same league as Breaking Bad. The first season or two was pretty great, but it went downhill fast. It was a chore slogging through he last two seasons when most of the interesting characters had been written out of the show. And the last episode was absolutely pathetic.

TonyR
08-23-2013, 03:14 PM
I have yet to watch The Wire, but The Sopranos was not even in the same league as Breaking Bad.

I love Breaking Bad, but to say The Sopranos isn't "in the same league" is silly. The Sopranos is widely considered one of the best, if not the best, television drama of all time.

http://www.wbez.org/blogs/leah-pickett/2013-07/wire-really-greatest-tv-show-all-time-108018

http://www.imdb.com/list/If1o3I1UpOo/

http://www.wga.org/content/default.aspx?id=4925

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20712079_20711820_21225093,00.html#21352675

http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=161603&p=30#{"page":30,"issue_id":161603}

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/03/entertainment/la-et-st-sopranos-wga-top-101-tv-shows-all-time-20130531

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/breaking-bad-greatest-series-tv-606472

Taco John
08-23-2013, 04:54 PM
The Wire > Sopranos

Kid A
08-25-2013, 09:54 PM
Last five minutes tonight when Jesse had his epiphany...as intense as this show has ever been. First couple episodes this year were (somewhat) slowly setting up the repercussions of Hank's discovery. Tonight just pushed everything over the cliff, and I don't think we're going to be slowing down again until the very end.

ShutDownPoster
08-26-2013, 01:06 AM
I wasn't too excited about Jessie's epiphany - but the 'confession' video - damn that was like one of the top 3 'holy crap' moments in the history of BB - and that's a lot of holy crap moments. Walt certainly is the devil.

TonyR
08-26-2013, 05:23 AM
I wasn't too excited about Jessie's epiphany...

I "like" the epiphany concept, but I'm not sure I'm down with how they executed it. I really don't get how Jesse made the connection the way he did.

Bronco X
08-26-2013, 06:59 AM
I "like" the epiphany concept, but I'm not sure I'm down with how they executed it. I really don't get how Jesse made the connection the way he did.

I've been rewatching the entire series so a lot of details have been fresh in my head... it actually makes complete sense that Jesse made the connection.

1) Jesse has already suspected that Huell had lifted the ricin cigarrette off him and Walt was involved in the poisoning. He stated his suspicions as such when he went to confront Walt about it at the end of season 4. Walt was the only other person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin. Walt convinced Jesse Gus was behind it as an attempt to manipulate Jesse into not only signing off on sending Walt to Belize, but doing it himself.

2) Later it turned out Brock had been poisoned by Lily of the Valleys not ricin and the police suspected it was an accident. Gus is dead and there is no longer reason to suspect he was involved in the poisoning, and Jesse is unnerved about the whereabouts of the ricin cigarette. Walt came over to help find it and planted a fake ricin cigarette in the Roomba. At this point Jesse still trusts Walt.

3) Drew Sharpe, Mike and the 10 prisoners are murdered, and Jesse's trust in Walt has eroded. Walt lies to Jesse about Mike and Jesse knows it.

4) Huell again lifts a joint off Jesse to make sure the Hachi's Quick Vanish guy doesn't call off the vanishing because of it. When Jesse realizes it, his original suspicions immediately resurface, coupled with his new found perspective on what Walt is capable of, he realizes not only was the ricin lifted earlier but Walt's helping him find the fake one in the Roomba was a ruse.

TonyR
08-26-2013, 07:25 AM
I've been rewatching the entire series so a lot of details have been fresh in my head... it actually makes complete sense that Jesse made the connection.

Yes, you do have an advantage having watched it all more recently. But I'm still not 100% sold on the joints not being in his pocket triggering the connection like that. But I'll go with it.

Bronco X
08-26-2013, 07:45 AM
Yes, you do have an advantage having watched it all more recently. But I'm still not 100% sold on the joints not being in his pocket triggering the connection like that. But I'll go with it.

I'd have a problem if it seemed out of character for Jesse, but it's been well established that Jesse is intelligent enough to make the deduction.

The scenes where Huell lifts both the ricin cigarette and the joint are in the show. The joint was a little more obvious, but both times you'd miss it if you weren't paying attention. If you look for it, and given it happened to Jesse twice, it's not implausible that he figured it out.

TonyR
08-26-2013, 07:58 AM
The scenes where Huell lifts both the ricin cigarette and the joint are in the show. The joint was a little more obvious, but both times you'd miss it if you weren't paying attention. If you look for it, and given it happened to Jesse twice, it's not implausible that he figured it out.

But did he know that Huell lifted the ricin cigarette? Or did he suspect it? I know if I was missing something from my pocket I wouldn't immediately suspect that someone had picked me. And then if I did suspect it I don't know that I'd immediate suspect they'd done it with something else before. I know I'm over-analyzing this but it was one of very few times something didn't work for me on this show. But, I'm sure much of it is the details not being fresh in my mind.

Bronco X
08-26-2013, 08:22 AM
But did he know that Huell lifted the ricin cigarette? Or did he suspect it? I know if I was missing something from my pocket I wouldn't immediately suspect that someone had picked me. And then if I did suspect it I don't know that I'd immediate suspect they'd done it with something else before. I know I'm over-analyzing this but it was one of very few times something didn't work for me on this show. But, I'm sure much of it is the details not being fresh in my mind.

He suspected Huell lifted the ricin cigarette. But he knew Huell lifted the joint, which suddenly brought a lot of weight to his earlier suspicions about the ricin. The whole ricin in the Roomba thing seemed flimsier in retrospect, especially given Walt was involved in discovering it.

Kid A
08-26-2013, 08:47 AM
I wasn't too excited about Jessie's epiphany - but the 'confession' video - damn that was like one of the top 3 'holy crap' moments in the history of BB - and that's a lot of holy crap moments. Walt certainly is the devil.

I had seen it brought up before this season started just how bad the evidence would look for Hank if he tried to convict Walt, and the confession video really hit the major points I'd almost forgot:

-His rehab paid for in drug money

-Hector Salamanca specifically visited Hank right before returning to blow himself up (as part of the ruse to get Fring to visit the nursing home)

-He had been friendly with Fring beforehand via charity work.

Kaylore
08-26-2013, 08:55 AM
The Wire > Sopranos

Oh here we go....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/2312968/food-fight-o.gif

TonyR
08-26-2013, 08:59 AM
The Wire > Sopranos

I sometimes agree with you. (see post linked below)

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3890474&postcount=27

Broncomutt
08-26-2013, 06:11 PM
I'd have a problem if it seemed out of character for Jesse, but it's been well established that Jesse is intelligent enough to make the deduction.

The scenes where Huell lifts both the ricin cigarette and the joint are in the show. The joint was a little more obvious, but both times you'd miss it if you weren't paying attention. If you look for it, and given it happened to Jesse twice, it's not implausible that he figured it out.

Like you, I've watched all episodes recently and you break it down really well.

At first I thought Jesse was just pissed because he couldn't find his lighter (mixed with other concerns), but then I realized it was the dope he wanted and the way he kept looking back at the smokes it clicked for me. Clicked for him also apparently. Subtle.

The confession video was like getting smacked in the face though.

Good stuff.

ShutDownPoster
08-27-2013, 05:01 PM
I had seen it brought up before this season started just how bad the evidence would look for Hank if he tried to convict Walt, and the confession video really hit the major points I'd almost forgot:

-His rehab paid for in drug money

-Hector Salamanca specifically visited Hank right before returning to blow himself up (as part of the ruse to get Fring to visit the nursing home)

-He had been friendly with Fring beforehand via charity work.

It also very nicely recapped the whole show - starting from when Hank took Walt along for a bust - when we were also first introduced to Jesse.

Fedaykin
08-28-2013, 04:35 AM
I've been rewatching the entire series so a lot of details have been fresh in my head... it actually makes complete sense that Jesse made the connection.

1) Jesse has already suspected that Huell had lifted the ricin cigarrette off him and Walt was involved in the poisoning. He stated his suspicions as such when he went to confront Walt about it at the end of season 4. Walt was the only other person other than Jesse who knew about the ricin. Walt convinced Jesse Gus was behind it as an attempt to manipulate Jesse into not only signing off on sending Walt to Belize, but doing it himself.

2) Later it turned out Brock had been poisoned by Lily of the Valleys not ricin and the police suspected it was an accident. Gus is dead and there is no longer reason to suspect he was involved in the poisoning, and Jesse is unnerved about the whereabouts of the ricin cigarette. Walt came over to help find it and planted a fake ricin cigarette in the Roomba. At this point Jesse still trusts Walt.

3) Drew Sharpe, Mike and the 10 prisoners are murdered, and Jesse's trust in Walt has eroded. Walt lies to Jesse about Mike and Jesse knows it.

4) Huell again lifts a joint off Jesse to make sure the Hachi's Quick Vanish guy doesn't call off the vanishing because of it. When Jesse realizes it, his original suspicions immediately resurface, coupled with his new found perspective on what Walt is capable of, he realizes not only was the ricin lifted earlier but Walt's helping him find the fake one in the Roomba was a ruse.

It's not entirely clear to me, but I think a large part of the 'aha' moment is that not only did Huell lift the pot, he might have actually replaced it with the ciggs (just like he did when he swiped the ricin containing pack) -- which if that is the case makes it much more plausible that Jessie would figure it out.

Fedaykin
08-28-2013, 04:39 AM
I had seen it brought up before this season started just how bad the evidence would look for Hank if he tried to convict Walt, and the confession video really hit the major points I'd almost forgot:

-His rehab paid for in drug money

-Hector Salamanca specifically visited Hank right before returning to blow himself up (as part of the ruse to get Fring to visit the nursing home)

-He had been friendly with Fring beforehand via charity work.

I have no idea if it was planned all along, and if so how much planning actually went into it, but in any event it's a fantastic bit of writing.

Harvitz81
09-09-2013, 12:34 AM
Soooo...ummmmm

who lives?

I think Hank and Gomez are goners. Jesse gets away maybe for Walt to deal with later. We know he obviously lives through this ordeal from earlier previews.

Bronco X
09-09-2013, 10:01 AM
I can't think of a credible scenario where Hank and Gomez live, but the writers of Breaking Bad are a lot better at coming up with stuff like that than I am. I think it'd be strange for them to end the episode where they did if in fact Hank was going to die in this shootout. If this was his time to die, I would think it would have happened at the end of this episode. Also, they were telegraphing his death through much of the episode. Especially with the phone call to Marie. I mean it was really a cliche, but damn if I wasn't jittery as all hell watching that scene expecting a sniper to take out Hank. I don't think the writers would telegraph it that blatantly if his death was going to happen right after the cut off. But I could be wrong.

Broncomutt
09-10-2013, 05:33 AM
The clock has to have struck midnight for Hank and Gomez. No way they can survive being that heavily outgunned. I'm surprised they even survived the first volley. Can't see a credible way Walt still has his freedom, albeit on the lam, unless Hank and Gomez are dead. I have a guess who Walt's M-60 is for now.

But then again, I never saw Walt and Jesse escaping the RV after being cornered by Hank, or the laptop being destroyed in an evidence locker. I still think the electro-magnet was a bit far fetched though. Great TV none the less. Somebody told me Mythbusters did a Breaking Bad episode. Wonder if they busted that?

The show has used some foreshadowing I believe. Jesse's last friendly meeting with Walt, a fatherly hug goodbye. I think Walt and Walt Jr. have had their last scene together, another hug goodbye. Hank's call with Marie.

I really hope Todd and his uncle die slow, agonizing deaths.

El Guapo
09-10-2013, 08:02 AM
Mythbusters covered the stuff from season one; 1) the bathtub/acid incident in the house and 2) when Walt confronted Tuco and threw the mercury fulminate on the ground to cause the explosion. Both were busted. As far as the fulminate, they said he would need a lot more than what he had to create that explosion. If that explosion did occur they would both be dead.

JPPT1974
09-10-2013, 08:36 AM
Don't worry for all of you Hank fans, as he is now at "Under the Dome" on the other side of the law.

But when Walter either dies or goes to another country, show will end with him!

Fedaykin
09-11-2013, 03:02 PM
Always makes me angry when character shields extend to total absurdity. Multiple people wielding rifles completely miss two people standing out in the open at maybe 50 yards? I expect a lot better from a show like BB.

:facepalm:

El Guapo
09-12-2013, 02:00 AM
And one was a semi-auto shotgun. Haha

Bronco X
09-15-2013, 09:34 AM
Always makes me angry when character shields extend to total absurdity. Multiple people wielding rifles completely miss two people standing out in the open at maybe 50 yards? I expect a lot better from a show like BB.

:facepalm:

The scene isn't even finished. It might be worthwhile to wait for the entire scene to play out. If Hank and Gomez get through the end of it unscathed, yeah, maybe you got something to bitch about.

oubronco
09-15-2013, 05:57 PM
Watching the replay of last week Fedaykin has a point how the hell do you miss with that many guns that close

Agamemnon
09-15-2013, 09:44 PM
My response to tonight's episode: HOLY ****ING ****!!!

Kid A
09-15-2013, 09:56 PM
Brutal. Every event that you knew was inevitable but dreaded seeing unfold happened tonight. And then some. I think they are setting up for a measure of redemption for Walt (via him returning home as seen in the flash-forward clips, going in to rescue Jesse from the Nazis, guns blazing, on a suicide mission).

Agamemnon
09-15-2013, 10:11 PM
Brutal. Every event that you knew was inevitable but dreaded seeing unfold happened tonight. And then some. I think they are setting up for a measure of redemption for Walt (via him returning home as seen in the flash-forward clips, going in to rescue Jesse from the Nazis, guns blazing, on a suicide mission).

There's no redemption for Walt. The whole series is about a man's gradual descent into darkness.

Fedaykin
09-15-2013, 10:17 PM
There's no redemption for Walt. The whole series is about a man's gradual descent into darkness.

At least they are keeping it not totally black and white with him throwing himself on his own sword for his family still.

Bronco X
09-15-2013, 11:39 PM
Watching the replay of last week Fedaykin has a point how the hell do you miss with that many guns that close

Like I said, the scene wasn't finished. The writers of Breaking Bad know what they are doing. Maybe some shows, even decent ones, you can't say that about the writers (Lost, Dexter). The BB writers though are in a different caliber. They know what they need to do to give Hank, the first main character who has been with the series since the pilot to die, a proper death scene. The realistic thing would have been for Hank and Gomez to be blown to bits instantaneously sure. Instead, Hank and Gomez are still dead, but Hank got an appropriately eviscerating death scene.

Broncomutt
09-16-2013, 08:32 AM
I don't know about redemption, but I'm still rooting for Walt, at least against Jack and his NAZIs.

It was tough to watch Hank's final moments but he went out like the man he was.

I'm ready for Jesse to die though. He's done little else but cry this whole last season, and that doesn't look to end soon, given his circumstances. Walt manipulated him, but Walt also loved him. He betrayed that. Hope he blows up the meth lab and takes Todd with him. He's a dead man anyway.

Do they use cgi to make them look so young in the opener? I'd swear that scene looked like it was shot 5 years ago.

Kid A
09-16-2013, 08:45 AM
There's no redemption for Walt. The whole series is about a man's gradual descent into darkness.

I agree. He can't redeem what he's done and doesn't deserve to go out a hero, but I do think he will save Jesse and either die doing so or kill himself with the ricin afterward. I just wonder how they handle it, what kind of note the leave things on.

By the very end of last night Walt (especially in the phone call to Skylar where he knew the cops were listening) did seem to finally be accepting full blame for everything that happened. He has always tried to scapegoat others, but I think he gets now that it is all on him. It wouldn't make up for what he has done, but it would correct one mistake and result in some dead Nazis.

And, god, how can anyone hate Jesse? He's a traumatized, abused victim who never gets a break. I think they give him a hopeful ending, but who knows.

TonyR
09-16-2013, 08:53 AM
...especially in the phone call to Skylar where he knew the cops were listening...

Did you get the impression Skyler knew what he was doing? I couldn't decide.

TonyR
09-16-2013, 08:56 AM
I'm ready for Jesse to die though. He's done little else but cry this whole last season, and that doesn't look to end soon, given his circumstances. Walt manipulated him, but Walt also loved him. He betrayed that.

I think if you think bigger picture the way Jesse is acting is understandable. The tragedy is it didn't have to be this way, but Jesse had no way of knowing that Walt was "on his side" up until the "betrayal".

Broncomutt
09-16-2013, 10:39 AM
Jesse's no abused victim. He's a grown man who cries about what he's done and pouts over being manipulated. Also, he's a murdering, junkie, drug dealing, arsonist who is complicit with the disposal of a 12 year old boy's body. He's torn up over it, I get it, but at the end of the day he's willing to be talked out of giving that boy's parents closure. The reason he confesses to Hank is to hurt Walt, not come clean because it's the right thing to do. If so he would have confessed after pitching his money.

Never gets a break? He had a break, a chance at a new life with money in his pocket. I understand his anger at Brock being poisoned, but how does threatening Skyler, Walt Jr. and Holly's security avenge Brock? He's just as guilty of collateral damage as Walt.

Walt was right, he's a coward. I've rooted for Jesse right up to about the point Walt got arrested. Spitting in a handcuffed man's face, any man's face, is a cowardly move. Walt may be the worse villian, but he's no coward.

If the show had more than 2 episodes left, I'd want Jesse to stick around because he is a fascinating character (Aaron Paul is a tremendous actor). But my sympathy for him has run out.

Still, going to be sad once the show is over.

Bronco Yoda
09-17-2013, 01:44 AM
Totally unbelievable that Walt didn't even attempt to lie to skyar about Hank.

Bronco X
09-17-2013, 07:54 AM
Totally unbelievable that Walt didn't even attempt to lie to skyar about Hank.

Walt knows Skylar has him figured out. He can't even lie to her properly anymore (the one person he can't lie to). Remember the gun in the coke machine scene? The show gets more believable if you pay attention.

Bronco Yoda
09-17-2013, 11:46 AM
The point isn't whether or not skyler has him figured out. The point is that Walt can't help himself but lie. Perfect example is the coke machine you yourself referenced. He may not be good at it anymore but he's still damn sure going to try. And he's still keeping things from her like jesse & the fact he's making deals to still cook.

He's been nothing but calculative and a master of manipulation and lies the entire show leading up to him so desperately wanting to just flee with his family. And at this pinnacle point he has nothing.

Surely the 'calculative' Walt would have some sort of story worked up as to why they were going to up and flee before he hit the door.

Surely the 'quick witted' Walt would have adjusted the story on the fly (like he's shown to do all storyy arch long) to fit Skylar suddenly knowing about him being arrested by hank. Even if the story was fumbled and unbelievable.

And lastly the 'Heisenberg' persona which finally came through at the end wouldn't have just grabbed the baby and ran but would have attempted some sick and twisted lie/threat/manipulation before running with the baby.

Then afterwords Walt still shows he's still calculative, manipulative and a master of lies on the phone and returning the baby.

It just didn't fit.

It would have been much more believable if he had an outlandish story, then fumbled another lie on top of it... where skyler would then not believe him and call him out on it.

Bronco Yoda
09-17-2013, 01:09 PM
Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Bronco X
09-18-2013, 05:05 PM
The point isn't whether or not skyler has him figured out. The point is that Walt can't help himself but lie. Perfect example is the coke machine you yourself referenced. He may not be good at it anymore but he's still damn sure going to try. And he's still keeping things from her like jesse & the fact he's making deals to still cook.

He's been nothing but calculative and a master of manipulation and lies the entire show leading up to him so desperately wanting to just flee with his family. And at this pinnacle point he has nothing.

Surely the 'calculative' Walt would have some sort of story worked up as to why they were going to up and flee before he hit the door.

Surely the 'quick witted' Walt would have adjusted the story on the fly (like he's shown to do all storyy arch long) to fit Skylar suddenly knowing about him being arrested by hank. Even if the story was fumbled and unbelievable.

And lastly the 'Heisenberg' persona which finally came through at the end wouldn't have just grabbed the baby and ran but would have attempted some sick and twisted lie/threat/manipulation before running with the baby.

Then afterwords Walt still shows he's still calculative, manipulative and a master of lies on the phone and returning the baby.

It just didn't fit.

It would have been much more believable if he had an outlandish story, then fumbled another lie on top of it... where skyler would then not believe him and call him out on it.

While I don't think Walt was capable of lying to Skylar about something as devastating as Hank's death, he actually did make a fleeting attempt... when he said "I negotiated". Skylar wasn't buying any of it. Also, he wouldn't have had a chance to prepare a story... he had no idea Skylar would know anything about Hank arresting Walt until Skylar and Flynn showed up at home.

One of the things the show is addressing is the mythologizing of "Heisenberg", both by Walt himself and his collaborators and enemies. Take Jesse calling Walt "The Devil". He believed Walt was setting a trap for Jesse with the meet at the plaza. In fact, Walt was being sincere about wanting to talk to Jesse. The Heisenberg persona has been faltering every since Hank discovered the truth about it. Think of all the mistakes Walt has made. For all the criminal mastermind that Heisenberg as been, at it's core is still Walter White, a flawed man in his tidy whiteys who has been dealing with his own bad decision making from the start of the series. The Ozymandias poem really drives home that theme. This great King and all the bluster with which he mythologizes himself is ultimately doomed to decay, because this great King was never what he said he was.

Not that Heisenberg is done. I suspect he'll rise again to deal with Uncle Jack, Todd and the Nazis. But everything Heisenberg was created for is already lost.

TonyR
09-19-2013, 06:33 AM
Here's a good BB/Broncos crossover:

With apologies to the creators of "Breaking Bad," Manning isn't in the football business or the money business. He's in the empire business. Manning is the Heisenberg of the MVP Watch, ruthless and driven in pursuit of a 100 percent-pure sky-blue game plan. Uniquely mentally equipped and sufficiently armed to win this award, he'd take out his own brother to get where he and the Broncos need to go. He's got seven huge barrels of excess touchdown passes buried in a secluded spot miles from downtown Denver. He is the danger. He is the one who knocks. http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/86921/dan-grazianos-mvp-watch-3

Oh, and note to mods: Breaking Bad is never "off topic"!

bronco militia
09-19-2013, 10:21 AM
Oh, and note to mods: Breaking Bad is never "off topic"!

it will be in two weeks :vermeil:

oubronco
09-19-2013, 10:33 AM
So where did he leave the baby

TonyR
09-19-2013, 10:54 AM
it will be in two weeks :vermeil:

Touche!

TonyR
09-19-2013, 10:55 AM
So where did he leave the baby

At the fire station? Did you miss the scene or are you joking?

Cmac821
09-19-2013, 11:01 AM
At the fire station? Did you miss the scene or are you joking?

yeah isn't that like the baby moses law or something silly where you can give kids up for adoption at hospitals or fire stations anonymously? But I don't understand why Walt would do this, can't skyler just reclaim her?

bronco militia
09-19-2013, 11:07 AM
yeah isn't that like the baby moses law or something silly where you can give kids up for adoption at hospitals or fire stations anonymously? But I don't understand why Walt would do this, can't skyler just reclaim her?

Walt let Skyler off the hook with that over the top phone call. He knew the cops were listening, broke the phone, dropped holy off at the firestation and left town.

Cmac821
09-19-2013, 11:20 AM
Walt should have left town so damn long ago, once some one is trying to play you it's time to bail. Tell skyler about the money and go. The guy should be a little tougher being a killer and taking over an entire drug operation. What happen to doing what needs to be done?

Cmac821
09-21-2013, 05:35 PM
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Kaylore
09-21-2013, 06:32 PM
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oubronco
09-29-2013, 06:06 PM
Here we go

ShutDownPoster
09-29-2013, 07:53 PM
Going to a meeting now, will watch it at lunch - have a raging Heisenboner now!

Agamemnon
09-29-2013, 10:57 PM
Perfect ending in my opinion. Greatest TV show ever.

Bronco X
09-30-2013, 07:30 AM
A fitting end to a show that I think not only warrants comparison to the greatest television shows and films of all time, but the greatest works of literature. I doubt there has been a character who has demanded as much time and involvement from an audience who has been so consistently fascinating. What ended last night... we should all be so lucky to get to experience something so excellent again.

Broncomutt
09-30-2013, 07:41 AM
Perfect ending.

RIP Walter White. You did horrible things but I loved watching your story and never stopped wanting you to succeed.

Probably the most enjoyable TV show I've ever watched.

TonyR
09-30-2013, 08:29 AM
Some minor points one could perhaps quibble with, but overall a tremendously well executed finale to close out a tremendously well executed show.

El Guapo
09-30-2013, 09:37 AM
Just watched it and it was perfect. Best ending to the best show ever. At the end I had to shed a tear, not for the outcome, but for the fantastic show that has come to an end. Bravo Vince Gilligan, cast and crew, bravo.

Taco John
10-09-2013, 09:46 PM
Best show ever created, ever. That's coming from someone who didn't want to like this show at the beginning.

Taco John
10-09-2013, 09:47 PM
Check out this amazing video, which explains who (or what) Felina is (the name of the last episode):

<iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/76287333" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/76287333">"El Paso" scene in Breaking Bad plus the rest of it</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user21569934">Bonnie Rose</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Willynowei
02-18-2014, 08:41 AM
Just finished watching it on Netflix, best show I've ever seen.

Gus is the best bad guy ever.

El Guapo
02-18-2014, 08:46 AM
Just finished watching it on Netflix, best show I've ever seen.

Gus is the best bad guy ever.

I thought the final few episodes aren't making it to Netflix until next Tuesday. I'll have to check when I get home.

Lutefisk
02-21-2014, 01:30 PM
Just finished watching it on Netflix, best show I've ever seen.

Gus is the best bad guy ever.

Loved BB and thought the last episode was as satisfying an ending to a show as has ever happened...Mainly because it was two endings in one. It gave you a choice as to how you wanted the show to end. Google that if you don't understand it...no spoilers here. Once I read the rationale behind the dual ending, I knew its what the writers did and I knew they were brilliant.

For me, however, The Wire remains the best show I've ever watched. The first time I finished the series, a week later I started over from the beginning. No other show has made me do that. I loved some of the characters...McNulty, Bunk, Omar Little...hell, even Stringer Bell. Seasons 3 and 4 remain as good of tv as I've ever seen and the season 4 finale made my tear up 3 times for 3 completely different reasons.

Anyway, Im back inside after skiing, drinking booze. 50 mph gusts will drive any man to drink

Rohirrim
02-21-2014, 03:47 PM
Binge watched BB from beginning to end. Best. Show. Ever. Made.

JJ Abrams should sit down and take lessons from Gilligan. THAT'S how to make a show.

iforgotmypassword
03-10-2014, 08:12 AM
Finished the show recently.

500 years from now they will be performing Breaking Bad in the park.

Taco John
03-10-2014, 08:35 AM
Just finished watching it on Netflix, best show I've ever seen.

Gus is the best bad guy ever.

Gus? WALT is the best bad guy ever...

Dr. Broncenstein
03-10-2014, 09:50 AM
I actually thought Gus was a sympathetic figure. Much more sympathetic than Walt at least.

Bronc0guy
03-14-2014, 01:08 AM
Gus? WALT is the best bad guy ever...
Just binge watched BB on amazon prime,Heisenberg was amazing. Still think this guy was my favorite of all time.

Bronco Yoda
03-14-2014, 12:10 PM
Just NOW getting around to watching this? What rock you living under?

Bronc0guy
03-14-2014, 04:10 PM
O I had been hearing all about it for years, idk why I just got into it recently. Guess I didn't think it's premise sounded all that interesting, but boy was I wrong. Right up there with the sopranos and the wire.

Bronc0guy
03-14-2014, 04:14 PM
And sons of anarchy is a personal favorite of mine, although it's getting borderline depressing.

macbrian
05-26-2014, 06:13 AM
http://www.statista.com/statistics/270924/the-10-most-pirated-tv-shows-of-2012/

does that mean game of thrones is more successful or just easier to stream?^^

TonyR
05-26-2014, 07:32 AM
http://www.statista.com/statistics/270924/the-10-most-pirated-tv-shows-of-2012/

does that mean game of thrones is more successful or just easier to stream?^^

At least two factors in play. One, it's more recent that some of the other shows in that it's currently on (unlike Breaking Bad or Sopranos, for example). And second, it's on a pay network so you really can't find it elsewhere like you can some of the others (like Breaking Bad or Walking Dead, for example).

JPPT1974
05-30-2014, 10:08 PM
At least Breaking Bad went out on top! But there is a prequel show coming.