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txtebow
07-19-2013, 06:50 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous of the NAACP are calling on the black community to rise up in national protest.

Yet they know — and Barack Obama, whose silence speaks volumes, knows — nothing is going to happen.

"Stand-Your-Ground" laws in Florida and other states are not going to be repealed. George Zimmerman is not going to be prosecuted for a federal "hate crime" in the death of Trayvon Martin.

The result of all this ginned-up rage that has produced vandalism and violence is simply going to be an ever-deepening racial divide.

Consider the matter of crime and fear of crime.

From listening to cable channels and hearing Holder, Sharpton, Jealous and others, one would think the great threat to black children today emanates from white vigilantes and white cops.

Hence, every black father must have a "conversation" with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

But is this the reality in Black America?

When Holder delivered his 2009 "nation-of-cowards" speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute's Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald's facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: "The God's honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics."

Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as "a black Hispanic" Yet he may be closer to the 'hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It's never had a white mayor.

Is Holder saying we've got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America's problem?

Obama seems not to think so. The Rev. Sharpton notwithstanding, he is touting Ray Kelly as a possible chief of homeland security.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?" To find out more about Patrick Buchanan and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators webpage at www.creators.com.

COPYRIGHT 2013 CREATORS.COM

txtebow
07-19-2013, 06:56 AM
The civil rights leadership is not truly about racism any longer; it's a political movement that looks to disarm otherwise clear thinking individuals who would otherwise disagree with their illogical premises by fear of them being labeled "racists". (like many of you have done to me on here)

Eric Holder coming out against "stand your ground laws" while tying that into the same speech that surrounded a verdict that he and his ilk didn't agree with was worthy of a plastic man award. That defense was never invoked by the defense; the TM-GZ exchange was clearly a matter of self defense. Yet Holder espoused that SYG laws were somehow particularly dangerous to "HIS COMMUNITY" and that he had to have a talk with his teenage son so as to not have him fall "victim" to an oppressor with a CHL.and thousands of sheeple have been rounded up and are slated to hold rallies this weekend.....America is DEAD.

peacepipe
07-19-2013, 07:29 AM
Pat Buchanan? Who's next an article by David duke.

txtebow
07-19-2013, 07:33 AM
Pat Buchanan = TRUTH and WISDOM

B-Large
07-19-2013, 07:45 AM
The civil rights leadership is not truly about racism any longer; it's a political movement that looks to disarm otherwise clear thinking individuals who would otherwise disagree with their illogical premises by fear of them being labeled "racists". (like many of you have done to me on here)

Eric Holder coming out against "stand your ground laws" while tying that into the same speech that surrounded a verdict that he and his ilk didn't agree with was worthy of a plastic man award. That defense was never invoked by the defense; the TM-GZ exchange was clearly a matter of self defense. Yet Holder espoused that SYG laws were somehow particularly dangerous to "HIS COMMUNITY" and that he had to have a talk with his teenage son so as to not have him fall "victim" to an oppressor with a CHL.and thousands of sheeple have been rounded up and are slated to hold rallies this weekend.....America is DEAD.

Americans banding together to express their distaste for a verdict they felt was wrong, using their free speech rights = Sheeple

ok

Rohirrim
07-19-2013, 08:27 AM
Forget the race. Follow the money. As income inequality rises, the problems will get worse. Check out Rio. Or better yet, Singapore. They are the only industrialized country (is it a country?) with income inequality worse than ours. How do they deal with it? They are a virtual police state. Any dissent is ruthlessly stamped out. There are no such things as rights. The police can come into your home or business any time they want and take you out.

Why are blacks non-proportionally represented in crime statistics? Because they are non-proportionally driven to the bottom of the economic ladder. They are America's permanent sub-culture. As we become more and more of a stratified economy and leave the concept of economic equitability behind us, we can expect more crime, more prisons, more decay, etc etc etc. Buchanan calls for a police state to fight the effects of a feudal economy but doesn't want to deal in causes. Same as it ever was.

Arkie
07-19-2013, 11:48 AM
Singapore is unique. It's the only place in the world that's an island, city, state, and country. Their numbers will be skewed when comparing them to typical countries. There's a lot of poverty like all big urban areas. I wouldn't say it's worse, but the wealth gap is due to the fact that Singapore has the highest percentage of millionaires in the world.

barryr
07-19-2013, 12:09 PM
Until democrats can admit their policies the last 4 decades have done more harm than good for the black population, high unemployment, high murder rates, high gang activity and drug use, high incarceration rates, and high abortion rates will be the norm for the black community. But democrats will never do that, so good luck to them. CA will all kinds of problems, with Detroit and soon to be Baltimore going bankrupt.

houghtam
07-19-2013, 12:11 PM
Another example of txtebow only posting when it's a white vs. black issue.

Fetish much?

W*GS
07-19-2013, 01:17 PM
Until democrats can admit their policies the last 4 decades have done more harm than good for the black population, high unemployment, high murder rates, high gang activity and drug use, high incarceration rates, and high abortion rates will be the norm for the black community. But democrats will never do that, so good luck to them. CA will all kinds of problems, with Detroit and soon to be Baltimore going bankrupt.

Why was this so hated by so many?

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Kids understand it:

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B-Large
07-19-2013, 01:19 PM
Until democrats can admit their policies the last 4 decades have done more harm than good for the black population, high unemployment, high murder rates, high gang activity and drug use, high incarceration rates, and high abortion rates will be the norm for the black community. But democrats will never do that, so good luck to them. CA will all kinds of problems, with Detroit and soon to be Baltimore going bankrupt.

Policies like the Civil Rights Act?

that one totally screwed the brown people.... :oyvey:

Elway 4 Life
07-19-2013, 01:40 PM
Another example of txtebow only posting when it's a white vs. black issue.

Fetish much?

Not taking anyone's side here but Zimmerman isn't white.

peacepipe
07-19-2013, 01:43 PM
Not taking anyone's side here but Zimmerman isn't white.

This isn't the only thread,txteblow has posted on an issue focusing on race in a negative manner.

Elway 4 Life
07-19-2013, 01:46 PM
This isn't the only thread,txteblow has posted on an issue focusing on race in a negative manner.

Gotcha. TxTebow making lots of friends I see. I'm gonna just go away now. :wave:

barryr
07-19-2013, 04:27 PM
Policies like the Civil Rights Act?

that one totally screwed the brown people.... :oyvey:

You mean the one of 1964 where more democrats voted against it than republicans, and Al Gore's racist daddy voted against as well as KKK democrat Robert Byrd also voted against? But I know, they are got free passes.

barryr
07-19-2013, 04:31 PM
This isn't the only thread,txteblow has posted on an issue focusing on race in a negative manner.

Meanwhile "white hispanic" and "taco bell" comments to describe Zimmerman and black conservative Larry Elder getting racist attacks by liberals are met with yawns by fellow liberals such as yourself, show selective concern in regards to racism.

El Minion
07-19-2013, 06:25 PM
Meanwhile "white hispanic" and "taco bell" comments to describe Zimmerman and black conservative Larry Elder getting racist attacks by liberals are met with yawns by fellow liberals such as yourself, show selective concern in regards to racism.

Excuse me, those aren't yawns, their mouths are agape awaiting churros to fill them, thank you!

http://slcfoodsnob.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/spiced-churros.jpg

houghtam
07-19-2013, 07:38 PM
You mean the one of 1964 where more democrats voted against it than republicans, and Al Gore's racist daddy voted against as well as KKK democrat Robert Byrd also voted against? But I know, they are got free passes.

Yeah, the same Democratic Party that racists like Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and many others left en masse after the CRA was passed. Three guesses which party they joined.

Jesus Christ you're dumb.

txtebow
07-19-2013, 08:25 PM
Dear Mr. Holder,

I see that the verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman has prompted you, once again, to call for an “honest” discussion of race in America. I welcome that discussion.

Let us start with your recent comments before the NAACP, in which you said that the verdict compelled you to have a talk with your 15-year-old son about how to deal with the police. I fail to see anything in this verdict that would provoke such a conversation, particularly considering that Mr. Zimmerman was not a policeman.

Eric HolderHowever, I assume you brought up the allegations that Mr. Zimmerman took a special interest in Trayvon Martin because he was black. Those allegations are unproven, but let us assume they are correct. I hope you explained to your boy that Mr. Zimmerman had excellent reasons for being suspicious.

I would imagine you used statistics from your own Justice Department to show that blacks are at least seven times more likely than people of other races to commit violent crimes, and that young black men are the most dangerous people in America. I hope you explained that Americans will be suspicious of blacks for as long as they continue to commit so many crimes. This may be unfortunate for law-abiding blacks but the fault is not with the police or with neighborhood watchmen; it is with other blacks.

I assume you also explained to your son that the evidence in the case very clearly suggests that if Mr. Zimmerman was suspicious of young blacks his suspicions were richly, painfully confirmed. Trayvon Martin appears to have attacked Mr. Zimmerman, broken his nose, and pounded his head into the pavement simply because he thought a “creepy-ass cracker” was following him. Unfortunately for Mr. Martin, Mr. Zimmerman was armed and defended himself.

Now, perhaps, I understand why you had this conversation with your son: to explain to him that it is not only potentially dangerous but a serious crime to attack someone just because he is following you. I assume you explained to him that he should also refrain from attacking policemen, and if he was unaware that such behavior is unwise, I commend you for having this conversation.

On a different matter, your department is now investigating Mr. Zimmerman with an eye to charging him with a hate crime. According to news reports, your staff has already grilled three dozen of Mr. Zimmerman’s friends and acquaintances about what he thought of black people. Why? A state jury has already found that Mr. Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense. Is it your view that if Mr. Zimmerman had “racist” views he is guilty of a “hate crime,” even if he acted in self defense?

Let us assume that your investigators had learned that Mr. Zimmerman liked to use “the N-word”—that he liked to use it almost as much as Trayvon Martin did. Would that mean that the very same actions on his part—actions a jury found to be legitimate self-defense—would now be a hate crime?

This is not an academic question, Mr. Holder. I hold unorthodox views on race and have expressed them publicly. Does this mean that if I am attacked by a black and have to defend myself with lethal force you will investigate me? What if it could be proven that I am the wickedest racist in America? Does that mean I have forfeited my right to defend myself against a black attacker? I hope you understand my dismay, but this is very clearly the logic of your investigation: that I will lose very important rights if I have views of which you disapprove.

Finally, on an entirely different matter, you seem to think that blacks and whites are precisely equal in ability and temperament, and that if there are any differences in outcome between the two groups, it can only be due to white “racism.” In the interest of the honest discussion you want, I invite you to reflect on the fact that American blacks have an average IQ of 85 whereas whites have an average of 100. I also invite you to consider the huge body of evidence that suggests this difference has a substantially genetic cause.

May I be so bold as to suggest that you will never understand race in America if you refuse to consider racial differences in ability? I would be pleased to present the evidence for this at a mutually convenient time and place. Indeed, there are many subjects we could usefully explore in the name of the honest discussion we both desire.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Jared Taylor, President

New Century Foundation

txtebow
07-19-2013, 08:29 PM
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txtebow
07-19-2013, 08:30 PM
Dear Mr. Holder,

I see that the verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman has prompted you, once again, to call for an “honest” discussion of race in America. I welcome that discussion.

Let us start with your recent comments before the NAACP, in which you said that the verdict compelled you to have a talk with your 15-year-old son about how to deal with the police. I fail to see anything in this verdict that would provoke such a conversation, particularly considering that Mr. Zimmerman was not a policeman.

Eric HolderHowever, I assume you brought up the allegations that Mr. Zimmerman took a special interest in Trayvon Martin because he was black. Those allegations are unproven, but let us assume they are correct. I hope you explained to your boy that Mr. Zimmerman had excellent reasons for being suspicious.

I would imagine you used statistics from your own Justice Department to show that blacks are at least seven times more likely than people of other races to commit violent crimes, and that young black men are the most dangerous people in America. I hope you explained that Americans will be suspicious of blacks for as long as they continue to commit so many crimes. This may be unfortunate for law-abiding blacks but the fault is not with the police or with neighborhood watchmen; it is with other blacks.

I assume you also explained to your son that the evidence in the case very clearly suggests that if Mr. Zimmerman was suspicious of young blacks his suspicions were richly, painfully confirmed. Trayvon Martin appears to have attacked Mr. Zimmerman, broken his nose, and pounded his head into the pavement simply because he thought a “creepy-ass cracker” was following him. Unfortunately for Mr. Martin, Mr. Zimmerman was armed and defended himself.

Now, perhaps, I understand why you had this conversation with your son: to explain to him that it is not only potentially dangerous but a serious crime to attack someone just because he is following you. I assume you explained to him that he should also refrain from attacking policemen, and if he was unaware that such behavior is unwise, I commend you for having this conversation.

On a different matter, your department is now investigating Mr. Zimmerman with an eye to charging him with a hate crime. According to news reports, your staff has already grilled three dozen of Mr. Zimmerman’s friends and acquaintances about what he thought of black people. Why? A state jury has already found that Mr. Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense. Is it your view that if Mr. Zimmerman had “racist” views he is guilty of a “hate crime,” even if he acted in self defense?

Let us assume that your investigators had learned that Mr. Zimmerman liked to use “the N-word”—that he liked to use it almost as much as Trayvon Martin did. Would that mean that the very same actions on his part—actions a jury found to be legitimate self-defense—would now be a hate crime?

This is not an academic question, Mr. Holder. I hold unorthodox views on race and have expressed them publicly. Does this mean that if I am attacked by a black and have to defend myself with lethal force you will investigate me? What if it could be proven that I am the wickedest racist in America? Does that mean I have forfeited my right to defend myself against a black attacker? I hope you understand my dismay, but this is very clearly the logic of your investigation: that I will lose very important rights if I have views of which you disapprove.

Finally, on an entirely different matter, you seem to think that blacks and whites are precisely equal in ability and temperament, and that if there are any differences in outcome between the two groups, it can only be due to white “racism.” In the interest of the honest discussion you want, I invite you to reflect on the fact that American blacks have an average IQ of 85 whereas whites have an average of 100. I also invite you to consider the huge body of evidence that suggests this difference has a substantially genetic cause.

May I be so bold as to suggest that you will never understand race in America if you refuse to consider racial differences in ability? I would be pleased to present the evidence for this at a mutually convenient time and place. Indeed, there are many subjects we could usefully explore in the name of the honest discussion we both desire.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Jared Taylor, President

New Century Foundation

How do you liberals think Holder would respond? :rofl:

houghtam
07-19-2013, 09:00 PM
How do you liberals think Holder would respond? :rofl:

Probably something like this:

Dear Mr. Taylor,

Who the **** are you?

Sincerely,

The Attorney General of the Mutha****in United States

Hilarious!

Rohirrim
07-19-2013, 09:43 PM
Until democrats can admit their policies the last 4 decades have done more harm than good for the black population, high unemployment, high murder rates, high gang activity and drug use, high incarceration rates, and high abortion rates will be the norm for the black community. But democrats will never do that, so good luck to them. CA will all kinds of problems, with Detroit and soon to be Baltimore going bankrupt.

Rentaclue comes in with another winning post. In case you haven't heard, the Reagan Revolution was launched in 1980. For more than three decades, the Right has dictated policy in this country. Which is why we are circling the toilet.

baja
07-19-2013, 10:07 PM
Yeah, the same Democratic Party that racists like Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and many others left en masse after the CRA was passed. Three guesses which party they joined.

Jesus Christ you're dumb.


And you continue to prove you are a horse's ass.

El Minion
07-19-2013, 10:31 PM
And you continue to prove you are a horse's ass.

:kiddingme

houghtam
07-19-2013, 10:43 PM
:kiddingme

He's butthurt that I made fun of his stupid conspiracy crap.

baja
07-19-2013, 11:23 PM
He's butthurt that I made fun of his stupid conspiracy crap.


Ha ha ya it's all me. but that's the way it is with guys like you. It's always the other guy, never you.

Truth be known I could care less what you think of me or what you believe to be my opinions.

pricejj
07-20-2013, 02:12 AM
In case you haven't heard, the Reagan Revolution was launched in 1980. For more than three decades, the Right has dictated policy in this country. Which is why we are circling the toilet.

I'd like to introduce you to my friend reality. It's obvious you two have never met.

Rohirrim
07-20-2013, 09:37 AM
I'd like to introduce you to my friend reality. It's obvious you two have never met.

I'm sure you'll have no trouble naming the last great piece of "liberal" legislation that passed?

Requiem
07-20-2013, 02:33 PM
And you continue to prove you are a horse's ass.

Caring and compassionate.
.

baja
07-20-2013, 03:36 PM
Caring and compassionate.
.

That is reserved for the good guys so that leaves you out.

Requiem
07-20-2013, 09:04 PM
That is reserved for the good guys so that leaves you out.

I was more or less highlighting your often displayed hypocritical nature on these boards. You try and act like you care about others when you really do not. If a person disagrees or offers an alternative to the stuff you post, you act like a child on a playground. You should be the last person to talk about ego on the board. Take a look at how you deal with confrontation and your penchant for belittling others.

The holier than thou act got old... four or five years ago. The likelihood is that you probably hit the crazy switch on years ago.

baja
07-20-2013, 09:50 PM
Not my fault there is a fair number of Horse's asses here. ;D

Doggcow
07-20-2013, 10:22 PM
I just wonder, why all the black people weren't outraged over the O.J. Simpson ruling.

errand
07-21-2013, 01:02 AM
Policies like the Civil Rights Act?

that one totally screwed the brown people.... :oyvey:

....that had more Republicans vote for it than Democrats?

Fedaykin
07-21-2013, 05:46 AM
....that had more Republicans vote for it than Democrats?

You know, you think after all the times the ignorance and idiocy of the above statement has been exposed, that the right would stop trying to tout it as some great win for republicans/conservatives.

But no, the stupid is still strong with errand et al.

houghtam
07-21-2013, 06:38 AM
You know, you think after all the times the ignorance and idiocy of the above statement has been exposed, that the right would stop trying to tout it as some great win for republicans/conservatives.

But no, the stupid is still strong with errand et al.

Yep.

"Jesus Christ you're dumb" applies to both barryr and errand in this case.

Surprise.

txtebow
07-21-2013, 07:16 AM
You know, you think after all the times the ignorance and idiocy of the above statement has been exposed, that the right would stop trying to tout it as some great win for republicans/conservatives.

But no, the stupid is still strong with errand et al.


It certainly does reek of disingenuousness however so does the Liberal perspective the the USA is a stronger more vibrant country simply because our racial admixture is more diverse. By nearly every national measure the USA has lost worldwide standing in education, % of people able to make the leap from middle class to wealthy etc etc... And it's because we slowly since the 1960s have embraced a political ethos of equal outcomes. Equality of opportunity is god given IMHO, but to pretend that the average person of some diverse group will should achieve to the level of an average person from the majority population is fools gold and it has bore itself out over the last 50 years all over America where our inner cities are murderous war zones, ghetto versions if English need subtitles ( RE:rachel jenteal), education levels don't rise much above 3rd grade and teachers are more concerned about safety than education and far too many children don't have a father in their lives. Freedom and achievement take a certain aptitude and although most are capable of functioning at least adequately, there's an entire anti-establishment ( RE: anti anything white ) culture that permeates many urban areas in America today. In many ways our urban centers are quickly transforming America into 3rd worldom by virtue of the character traits of some of its citizens and it's getting WORSE and not better for each passing generation as those behaviors and traits become more acceptable due to leftist tolerance of such behaviors......the big corporations in the 1960's realized America's folly and starting in the 1970's the outsourcing of thousands of middle class jobs began. Business is full of bright, pragmatic people..it's not hard to draw the correlation between America's flawed embracing of a system that no longer rewards people solely on merit.......

Fedaykin
07-21-2013, 08:02 AM
It certainly does reek of disingenuousness however so does the Liberal perspective the the USA is a stronger more vibrant country simply because our racial admixture is more diverse. By nearly every national measure the USA has lost worldwide standing in education, % of people able to make the leap from middle class to wealthy etc etc... And it's because we slowly since the 1960s have embraced a political ethos of equal outcomes. Equality of opportunity is god given IMHO, but to pretend that the average person of some diverse group will should achieve to the level of an average person from the majority population is fools gold and it has bore itself out over the last 50 years all over America where our inner cities are murderous war zones, ghetto versions if English need subtitles ( RE:rachel jenteal), education levels don't rise much above 3rd grade and teachers are more concerned about safety than education and far too many children don't have a father in their lives. Freedom and achievement take a certain aptitude and although most are capable of functioning at least adequately, there's an entire anti-establishment ( RE: anti anything white ) culture that permeates many urban areas in America today. In many ways our urban centers are quickly transforming America into 3rd worldom by virtue of the character traits of some of its citizens and it's getting WORSE and not better for each passing generation as those behaviors and traits become more acceptable due to leftist tolerance of such behaviors......the big corporations in the 1960's realized America's folly and starting in the 1970's the outsourcing of thousands of middle class jobs began. Business is full of bright, pragmatic people..it's not hard to draw the correlation between America's flawed embracing of a system that no longer rewards people solely on merit.......

We know, it's all the damn ****er's fault. Thanks for your input GrandDragon.

barryr
07-21-2013, 08:05 AM
Yep.

"Jesus Christ you're dumb" applies to both barryr and errand in this case.

Surprise.

LOL, while you liberals have tried for decades to rewrite history. Bottom line is you have aligned yourself with the true party of racists, which is why the need to rewrite what democrats have done in the past. That is why it is a waste of time trying to have conversations with people like you when you resort to that crap on a daily basis, among other stupid things. You pick and choose when racism is wrong and when it is acceptable, while the people with reason and sense believe it is wrong no matter who does it or says it. Heck, or like in the Zimmerman case, you make up it was about racism if you have to. That doesn't do anybody any good and never has. But people like you don't care who gets hurt as long as you can hang your hat on that race card for with no more racism, who gets your supposed protection? Gays? Yeah, great protection there, while you profess to care about their rights, as demonstrated in these very forums, eager to mock those you don't agree with gay slurs. Great protection they have from you, as well as the minorities.

Fedaykin
07-21-2013, 08:08 AM
LOL, while you liberals have tried for decades to rewrite history. Bottom line is you have aligned yourself with the true party of racists, which is why the need to rewrite what democrats have done in the past. That is why it is a waste of time trying to have conversations with people like you when you resort to that crap on a daily basis, among other stupid things. You pick and choose when racism is wrong and when it is acceptable, while the people with reason and sense believe it is wrong no matter who does it or says it. Heck, or like in the Zimmerman case, you make up it was about racism if you have to. That doesn't do anybody any good and never has. But people like you don't care who gets hurt as long as you can hang your hat on that race card for with no more racism, who gets your supposed protection? Gays? Yeah, great protection there, while you profess to care about their rights, as demonstrated in these very forums, eager to mock those you don't agree with gay slurs. Great protection they have from you, as well as the minorities.

In in comes tweedle dumber to completely not understand the situation and drop another 'liberals are poopy heads' dump on yet another thread

W*GS
07-21-2013, 08:16 AM
txtebow, errand, and barry won't get this.

http://www.itusozluk.com/image/ku-klux-klan_502913.jpg

Rohirrim
07-21-2013, 09:34 AM
It certainly does reek of disingenuousness however so does the Liberal perspective the the USA is a stronger more vibrant country simply because our racial admixture is more diverse. By nearly every national measure the USA has lost worldwide standing in education, % of people able to make the leap from middle class to wealthy etc etc... And it's because we slowly since the 1960s have embraced a political ethos of equal outcomes. Equality of opportunity is god given IMHO, but to pretend that the average person of some diverse group will should achieve to the level of an average person from the majority population is fools gold and it has bore itself out over the last 50 years all over America where our inner cities are murderous war zones, ghetto versions if English need subtitles ( RE:rachel jenteal), education levels don't rise much above 3rd grade and teachers are more concerned about safety than education and far too many children don't have a father in their lives. Freedom and achievement take a certain aptitude and although most are capable of functioning at least adequately, there's an entire anti-establishment ( RE: anti anything white ) culture that permeates many urban areas in America today. In many ways our urban centers are quickly transforming America into 3rd worldom by virtue of the character traits of some of its citizens and it's getting WORSE and not better for each passing generation as those behaviors and traits become more acceptable due to leftist tolerance of such behaviors......the big corporations in the 1960's realized America's folly and starting in the 1970's the outsourcing of thousands of middle class jobs began. Business is full of bright, pragmatic people..it's not hard to draw the correlation between America's flawed embracing of a system that no longer rewards people solely on merit.......

I see, Herr Goebbels.

Rohirrim
07-21-2013, 09:39 AM
LOL, while you liberals have tried for decades to rewrite history. Bottom line is you have aligned yourself with the true party of racists, which is why the need to rewrite what democrats have done in the past. That is why it is a waste of time trying to have conversations with people like you when you resort to that crap on a daily basis, among other stupid things. You pick and choose when racism is wrong and when it is acceptable, while the people with reason and sense believe it is wrong no matter who does it or says it. Heck, or like in the Zimmerman case, you make up it was about racism if you have to. That doesn't do anybody any good and never has. But people like you don't care who gets hurt as long as you can hang your hat on that race card for with no more racism, who gets your supposed protection? Gays? Yeah, great protection there, while you profess to care about their rights, as demonstrated in these very forums, eager to mock those you don't agree with gay slurs. Great protection they have from you, as well as the minorities.

And Teddy Roosevelt was one of the first champions of the progressive movement in the United States. You think he'd be allowed in the modern Republicant Party? You think, if Abraham Lincoln was alive today that he would have anything to do with the modern GOP?

txtebow
07-21-2013, 10:14 AM
We know, it's all the damn ****er's fault. Thanks for your input GrandDragon.

No one wants to legitimately argue the facts; instead you'd rather resort to name calling because of the inconvenient truths that I point out that violate your sheeply outlook on American culture. It's not racist to recognize differences and embrace them; it is however ignorant to ignore over 50 years of data and pretend that outcomes should be equal.

errand
07-21-2013, 10:22 AM
HOUSE: For - Against
Democrats:
153-91
Republicans:
136-35

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 63%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 80%

LOL..... Now let's look at the Senate. Maybe it was better there:

Democrats:
46-21
Republicans:
27-6

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 69%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 82%

errand
07-21-2013, 10:30 AM
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Rohirrim
07-21-2013, 10:33 AM
No one wants to legitimately argue the facts; instead you'd rather resort to name calling because of the inconvenient truths that I point out that violate your sheeply outlook on American culture. It's not racist to recognize differences and embrace them; it is however ignorant to ignore over 50 years of data and pretend that outcomes should be equal.

Freedom and achievement take a certain aptitude and although most are capable of functioning at least adequately, there's an entire anti-establishment ( RE: anti anything white ) culture that permeates many urban areas in America today.

"Most" who? This statement that you wrote in the above post is blatantly racist and sounds like pure Nazi logic. Not only that, it is demonstrably wrong as well.

Economic inequality creates sub-cultures. Sub-cultures are those at the bottom of the economic ladder who engage in alternative economies to survive. They are not welcomed into the dominant culture so they, clever humans that they are, devise their own culture. Man cannot live without culture.

There have been many such sub-cultures that are purely Caucasian as well. Two still survive in some strength in the Appalachians and the bayous of Louisiana. There is a long history of sub-cultures in every ethnic community as well. I remember seeing a huge Polish sub-culture when I lived in Buffalo. Man is a hierarchical creature. We can't seem to get beyond it. But the capacity of any individual human to achieve far beyond the class he was born into, regardless of race, is beyond debate.

errand
07-21-2013, 10:37 AM
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Rohirrim
07-21-2013, 10:47 AM
HOUSE: For - Against
Democrats:
153-91
Republicans:
136-35

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 63%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 80%

LOL..... Now let's look at the Senate. Maybe it was better there:

Democrats:
46-21
Republicans:
27-6

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 69%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 82%

So what? The Democratic Party was still dominated by Southerners in the '60s (and for decades before). After all, it was the party of Andrew Jackson. How much influence does the Democratic Party have in the South now? Zero? 5%? The election of JFK/LBJ represented a blending of NE liberals and the Dixiecrats. Since then, the Dixiecrats have gone over to the Republicans in droves and the South has become staunchly conservative. In fact, the primary reason the Dixiecrats left the Democrats was because the modern Dems started backing racial equality. Face it, LBJ wouldn't stand a chance in modern Texas. The South only liked the Democrats when they were building them highways and hooking up their electricity and sanitation. Once that was done, they kicked them out and went back to their old ways.

You can thank Ronald Reagan and Lee Atwater for selling out the Republican Party to the racist white element in America in exchange for votes. Why do you think Reagan launched his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi? You don't think that was a signal? Oh yeah, and the theme of the speech was "states rights." :rofl:

Fedaykin
07-21-2013, 10:56 AM
HOUSE: For - Against
Democrats:
153-91
Republicans:
136-35

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 63%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 80%

LOL..... Now let's look at the Senate. Maybe it was better there:

Democrats:
46-21
Republicans:
27-6

Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 69%
Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 82%


Still don't understand I see.

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El Minion
07-21-2013, 11:19 AM
"Joe, I don't do nuance." --George W. Bush

houghtam
07-21-2013, 11:25 AM
How many of those democrats switched over to the Republican Party after that vote BECAUSE the Democrats championed the CRA?

Now, if you want to get into a discussion on northern vs. southern Democrats, we can do that. But that will just play more into the southern ****hole racism theme you guys hate to hear about so much.

Good God. It's like you two have never stepped inside a classroom before. Keep trying to rewrite history. No one with two brain cells to rub together is fooled.

baja
07-21-2013, 11:41 AM
WHO IS A RACIST?


I'll go first. I'm a racist.


















Anyone that says they are not a racist is lying.


It's a question of degree.

Rohirrim
07-21-2013, 01:08 PM
I go through the trouble to type out a nice argument and all the Right Wingers flee for the exits.

orinjkrush
07-21-2013, 04:39 PM
yes,

txtebow
07-21-2013, 07:28 PM
Freedom and achievement take a certain aptitude and although most are capable of functioning at least adequately, there's an entire anti-establishment ( RE: anti anything white ) culture that permeates many urban areas in America today.

"Most" who? This statement that you wrote in the above post is blatantly racist and sounds like pure Nazi logic. Not only that, it is demonstrably wrong as well.

Economic inequality creates sub-cultures. Sub-cultures are those at the bottom of the economic ladder who engage in alternative economies to survive. They are not welcomed into the dominant culture so they, clever humans that they are, devise their own culture. Man cannot live without culture.

There have been many such sub-cultures that are purely Caucasian as well. Two still survive in some strength in the Appalachians and the bayous of Louisiana. There is a long history of sub-cultures in every ethnic community as well. I remember seeing a huge Polish sub-culture when I lived in Buffalo. Man is a hierarchical creature. We can't seem to get beyond it. But the capacity of any individual human to achieve far beyond the class he was born into, regardless of race, is beyond debate.

Most who? MOST PEOPLE.

The sub cultures of Appalachia are not embraced (in a positive way) in the same fashion as the cultures of inner city life in Filthadelphia, Baltimore, DC, Detroit or NY...the ghetto lifestyle is glamorized and sought after by many, with the poisonous cultural tentacles reaching all of the way to Suburbia, USA through music and TV. And this malignancy has been enabled by Leftists who truly believe that there is some equivalency to be spoken for.

barryr
07-21-2013, 09:17 PM
How many of those democrats switched over to the Republican Party after that vote BECAUSE the Democrats championed the CRA?

Now, if you want to get into a discussion on northern vs. southern Democrats, we can do that. But that will just play more into the southern ****hole racism theme you guys hate to hear about so much.

Good God. It's like you two have never stepped inside a classroom before. Keep trying to rewrite history. No one with two brain cells to rub together is fooled.

That argument doesn't wash or even make sense. So those democrats switched only because the other democrats didn't oppose it too to join the republican party, a party that supported that bill even more than the democrats did? Yeah, makes so much sense. The democrat party was the party of racists and now selective racism where it is acceptable to make racist remarks of black and latino conservatives.

peacepipe
07-22-2013, 07:56 AM
The rethugs of today are the dixiecrats of that era. The dems changed fot the better, the rethugs didn't. What barryr is referring to are dixiecrats (similar to the tea party of today)which merged with the rethuglican party.