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elsid13
07-12-2013, 06:22 AM
So yesterday the house past Farm Bill that stripped out all support for Food Stamp program and other related food safety net programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html?hpid=z1

This link show what states got the most benefits

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/food-stamps/

I don't understand the desire to remove this safety net program? Do you think this the idea some folks think that only ones that benefit are in urban areas? Or that the program is being waste of monies?

Meanwhile the farm portion of this bill helped a lot large agribusiness get monetary support and tax breaks.

elsid13
07-12-2013, 06:23 AM
Blog on the success of the SNAP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/07/11/food-stamps-work-so-why-are-we-arguing-over-them/

B-Large
07-12-2013, 09:49 AM
I personally like clean Bills, so I have no issue with SNAP being stripped from the Farm Bill.. in fact, I'd like to see Congress vote on Clean Bills across the board, but I also understand there is simply to much volume for that, but I like the idea.

For Democrats is a politcal plus either way, cuts or no cuts. It will be hard to justify taking food out of the mouths of poor people for Conservatives if their intention is to just make it a line item to cut. Now of their plan it to vet and improve the program to deliver the same assistance at lower cost overall, and that is the reason for stripping it, it could be a great politcal move for Conservatives....

alot of people on SNAP are lower income whites who didn't show up to poll in 2012, and the GOP cites getting those people back at the ballot box as their electoral savior in 2016... but you run the risk of flipping those people or having them stay home once again if you cut of their food assistance..

Interesting nonetheless...

Rigs11
07-12-2013, 10:33 AM
The GOP somehow think that hammering the NSA for spying will get them points at the ballot box yet they pull something like this.Politically they are screwing themselves again, add in their refusal to get immigration done, or anything for that matter, and it's going to be a tough '14 and '16 for them.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 10:37 AM
The GOP somehow think that hammering the NSA for spying will get them points at the ballot box yet they pull something like this.Politically they are screwing themselves again, add in their refusal to get immigration done, or anything for that matter, and it's going to be a tough '14 and '16 for them.

Polls have shown among Americans that cuts in Food Stamp programs are favorable, 60% or so... but it is a political gamble where the GOP could win/lose, the Democrats almost certainly win either way.

You have to wonder where voters priortize these items, and which item the GOP shoudl be focusing their energy on:

1. Abortion
2. Food Stamps for the Poor
3. Immigration Bill

Rigs11
07-12-2013, 10:40 AM
Polls have shown among Americans that cuts in Food Stamp programs are favorable, 60% or so... but it is a political gamble where the GOP could win/lose, the Democrats almost certainly win either way.

You have to wonder where voters priortize these items, and which item the GOP shoudl be focusing their energy on:

1. Abortion
2. Food Stamps for the Poor
3. Immigration Bill

link? and limbaugh already has a solution....dumpster diving.:rofl:The problem with the gop is they are never willing to relent on anything, they continually scream for bipartisanship, and yet they are unwilling to compromise on anything. their main focus is to make obama look bad.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 10:49 AM
link? and limbaugh already has a solution....dumpster diving.:rofl:The problem with the gop is they are never willing to relent on anything, they continually scream for bipartisanship, and yet they are unwilling to compromise on anything. their main focus is to make obama look bad.

The polls are in here, as well as the one that see Americans favorable fo banning abortions after 20 weeks.

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/8405-t1.pdf

The GOP is terrified of an Immigration Bill being passed, it will disrupt their message of "presidential failure" as Obama stamps not only Immigration Reform, but Healthcare Reform, two huge reforms that no one in the last 30 years has been able to achieve.

Its hard to see what they will talk about in 2014 and 2016. What have they done? Passed Abortion Laws in Red States, ok. Cut Food Stamps or poor people, ok. I mean what do they campaign on? Jobs... ok, what have they done to change that other than blame Obama.... Obama is done so they cannot simple run anti-Obama. Hillary is a savvy Dem Vet who women love, wife of succesfull well liked President who government from the Center... it will be tough message inexperience or incompetence...

elsid13
07-12-2013, 10:53 AM
link? and limbaugh already has a solution....dumpster diving.:rofl:The problem with the gop is they are never willing to relent on anything, they continually scream for bipartisanship, and yet they are unwilling to compromise on anything. their main focus is to make obama look bad.

The WASPOST link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/12/food-stamps-abortion-pose-big-tests-for-gop-message-machine/)

"Similarly, Americans are on-board with reductions in the food stamp program. A January Kaiser Family Foundation poll showed 69 percent of Americans favored some kind of reduction in the food stamp program."

But I wonder what the question was that was asked.

cutthemdown
07-12-2013, 11:34 AM
Bragging about healthcare reform funny considering most americans hate it.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 11:43 AM
Bragging about healthcare reform funny considering most americans hate it.

The GOP feet stomping fear campaign will end when this law goes into effect in a few months and people look around and the world has not collapsed around them- no doom and gloom, people will basically realize the act lets them buy insurance in their State as they would as group plan through an employer. Massachusetts did fall into the Atlantic after its state-based HCR went into effect.... yes, I will admit the implementation was rough and the Fed did provide some help at first... but when was the last article about Massachusetts socialist halthcare takeover- yep, there isn't one- the system is still State based with private insurers and providers... no year long waiting lines, no care denials in masse, no MD's quitting and becoming bankers...

If the Law is truly apoclyptic, why doesn't the GOP just let it implode form the sidelines and let the voters see the fallout themselves.... they're going to look pretty foolish IF it is successful, since they did not have 1 vote for it and voted to repeal bearly 40 times with no alternative replacement plan- the GOP is terrified that is will be successful, that's why.

To add, how can they hate it when 90% of it isn't in place yet? I see conservatives already bitching about how ACA has ruined things here at my hospital.... good lord, at least wait until it does into effect to bitch, they look like complete dummies.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 11:46 AM
The WASPOST link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/12/food-stamps-abortion-pose-big-tests-for-gop-message-machine/)

"Similarly, Americans are on-board with reductions in the food stamp program. A January Kaiser Family Foundation poll showed 69 percent of Americans favored some kind of reduction in the food stamp program."

But I wonder what the question was that was asked.

People probably believe there is excess and waste in the program, at that some people on the rolls don't need to be.... I would agree that is probably the reality.

Garcia Bronco
07-12-2013, 11:51 AM
When I see people buying booze and video games with EBT cards I get ****ing pissed. Having said that I don't believe the programs need to be eliminated either. However if it's not food or cloths GTFO.

elsid13
07-12-2013, 11:53 AM
People probably believe there is excess and waste in the program, at that some people on the rolls don't need to be.... I would agree that is probably the reality.

It's made up Reagan Welfare Queen myth that hurts a program that does a lot of good.

Garcia Bronco
07-12-2013, 11:58 AM
It's made up Reagan Welfare Queen myth that hurts a program that does a lot of good.

We have people getting subsidized phone, video game systems, homes/section 8 housing, booze, and so on. This is not what it was intended for.

Rohirrim
07-12-2013, 12:22 PM
Obviously, the poor are destroying this country. They're the ones behind all of the bull**** that's happening. Look at the wealth disparity! Worst in the industrialized world! Who's to blame for that? Just look at the numbers. Only one percent of the population can be categorized as really, really rich. Hell, their numbers are getting smaller every day. Imagine the oppression they must feel? They're under constant attack. But look at all those poor people! There are millions of them. Their numbers keep growing. That's what is dragging us down.

If we cut off their food, that should fix it. ;D

Pony Boy
07-12-2013, 01:15 PM
Does anyone really think the food stamp program will disappear?

There will be a separate food stamp bill passed just in the nick of time and there will be tons of pork attached to it .......... business as usual.

elsid13
07-12-2013, 01:28 PM
Does anyone really think the food stamp program will disappear?

There will be a separate food stamp bill passed just in the nick of time and there will be tons of pork attached to it .......... business as usual.

There is movement by the House Republicans to seriously cut the STAMP program and add enough poison pills in it that will never pass, leaving American hungry in no win situation

cutthemdown
07-12-2013, 01:40 PM
Umm blarge the law does not go into effect anytime soon. There will be even more delays because Obama doesn't want people to figure out it doesn't work until after 2014.

You can't postpone the employer part of healthcare then just tell the people go get insurance losers. The states exchanges are not ready. The govt not ready to set up those exchanges. They will soon announce that it will all be put off. Why? because its a jobs killer and the President knows it.

cutthemdown
07-12-2013, 01:41 PM
Does anyone really think the food stamp program will disappear?

There will be a separate food stamp bill passed just in the nick of time and there will be tons of pork attached to it .......... business as usual.

Yep not to mention all the help states give people. Don't worry your voters will get there Obama Cheese.

gunns
07-12-2013, 01:55 PM
People probably believe there is excess and waste in the program, at that some people on the rolls don't need to be.... I would agree that is probably the reality.

It is very much the reality. SNAP rules and regulations have become so lax ANYBODY could go in and get 2 months worth of food stamps.

You think there are a lot of missing fathers? Check out the food stamp doles. Not eligible or eligible for only minimal food stamps because of Daddy's income? Suddenly daddy is gone. They put a time limit, requirements, and multiple restrictions on financial assistance and there has been a significant decrease. The same needs to be done. Who chose to have those children? Yep, about time they took responsibility and yes that might mean some hard work. Boohoo.

mhgaffney
07-12-2013, 01:56 PM
So yesterday the house past Farm Bill that stripped out all support for Food Stamp program and other related food safety net programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html?hpid=z1

This link show what states got the most benefits

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/food-stamps/

I don't understand the desire to remove this safety net program? Do you think this the idea some folks think that only ones that benefit are in urban areas? Or that the program is being waste of monies?

Meanwhile the farm portion of this bill helped a lot large agribusiness get monetary support and tax breaks.

Gutting social programs is part of the banksters' plan is to transfer wealth from the public sector into private hands.

gunns
07-12-2013, 01:58 PM
Umm blarge the law does not go into effect anytime soon. There will be even more delays because Obama doesn't want people to figure out it doesn't work until after 2014.

You can't postpone the employer part of healthcare then just tell the people go get insurance losers. The states exchanges are not ready. The govt not ready to set up those exchanges. They will soon announce that it will all be put off. Why? because its a jobs killer and the President knows it.

Really? Not what I've heard and I definitely would have heard it. And I know my states exchanges are ready. Being a part of the government here that is setting some of this up we are ready for people to start applying in October.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 02:07 PM
Umm blarge the law does not go into effect anytime soon. There will be even more delays because Obama doesn't want people to figure out it doesn't work until after 2014.

You can't postpone the employer part of healthcare then just tell the people go get insurance losers. The states exchanges are not ready. The govt not ready to set up those exchanges. They will soon announce that it will all be put off. Why? because its a jobs killer and the President knows it.

October 1 people can go to exchanges and shop plans.

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/insurance/index.html

You may be right that it can bedelay it, I don't have a crystal ball nor psychic powers but that is unlikely and we just over 60 days from that portion of the phase in. There is no reason to delay the exchanges for individuals, alot people want to buy insurance, and the uninsurable are dying to get a policy to cover them. Also, 96% of people current with group coverage won't care because they have no reason to visit an State exchange because they have coverage through their employer.

I am not a dedicated partisan, so I will argee the delay in the employer mandate is probably politically motived rather than fuctionally motivated- but afterall no matter what party your subscribe, they are polticians who seek seats and electoral victories, so I don;t understand the outrage over the move- the voter will decide what they think... the Democrats want to focus on Immigration Reform failure (which looks likely) and rengage the War on Women for the Midterms.... and of course Food Stamp cuts will be in there to...

Colorado and Maine, both places I may be next year have exchanges ready to go online for the State Exchange- I have already gotten quotes and have spoken to a non-profit exchange rep in Colorado, so they are ready to go.

there is really no basis that this is a job killer, the compaines affected are a small part of the equation, and the business community and the adminstration wil get something worked out, they always do- its called a negotiation, and the delay is the first step in that process.

I really wish more people would actually read the law, there is so much good stuff in there it is hard to imagine how it will change the landscape of healthcare in a very positive way- but, alas most people will rely of Fox, National Review and Rush to intepret the Law for them, and there is not use in covincing them otherwise... so I won't waste my breathe on those folks.

gunns
07-12-2013, 02:10 PM
Obviously, the poor are destroying this country. They're the ones behind all of the bull**** that's happening. Look at the wealth disparity! Worst in the industrialized world! Who's to blame for that? Just look at the numbers. Only one percent of the population can be categorized as really, really rich. Hell, their numbers are getting smaller every day. Imagine the oppression they must feel? They're under constant attack. But look at all those poor people! There are millions of them. Their numbers keep growing. That's what is dragging us down.

If we cut off their food, that should fix it. ;D

The problem doesn't lie with the truly poor and low income. It lies with the policies, rules, and regulations. It has created enormous fraud abilities and also enables some to not try harder to be self sufficient.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 02:12 PM
Really? Not what I've heard and I definitely would have heard it. And I know my states exchanges are ready. Being a part of the government here that is setting some of this up we are ready for people to start applying in October.

It appears the current strategy is the Conservative circles is that if you say it is going to falling apart, not be implemented and repealed enough, magic will happen and make it so. My father is law is convince it is about the be repealed... I asked him how they do that, repeal a law... he didn't know how that is done for any law.. no use arguing further

Look, I can't debate the merit of the plan with people who refuse to discuss the facts and reality of the Law implementation.

Rohirrim
07-12-2013, 02:18 PM
I say we send all their jobs overseas and cut off their food stamps. That''ll teach 'em.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 02:19 PM
The problem doesn't lie with the truly poor and low income. It lies with the policies, rules, and regulations. It has created enormous fraud abilities and also enables some to not try harder to be self sufficient.

Its no different than Medicaid, there is probably alot of fraud and people getting beneifts that really should not - I don't think looking into that program and making changes is unreasonable- like someone else posted, it will get passed and funded, just in time.

Rohirrim
07-12-2013, 02:20 PM
It appears the current strategy is the Conservative circles is that if you say it is going to falling apart, not be implemented and repealed enough, magic will happen and make it so. My father is law is convince it is about the be repealed... I asked him how they do that, repeal a law... he didn't know how that is done for any law.. no use arguing further

Look, I can't debate the merit of the plan with people who refuse to discuss the facts and reality of the Law implementation.

Well, I know when I'm confused, I just post drunk. That always seems to work.

B-Large
07-12-2013, 02:26 PM
Well, I know when I'm confused, I just post drunk. That always seems to work.

I am posting drunk right now... Pretty coherent, huh?

Rohirrim
07-12-2013, 02:29 PM
I am posting drunk right now... Pretty coherent, huh?

No. Really?

ant1999e
07-12-2013, 10:24 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-farm-bill-doesnt-end-food-stamps-212350341.html?.tsrc=samsungwn&.sep=table
Yahoo! News

FILE - In this Sept. 11, 2010 file photo, Temeka Williams, right, of Detroit, uses her EBT/Bridge Card tokens for a purchase from Elizabeth and Gary Lauber from Sweet Delights at the Farmer's Market in Detroit. House approval of a scaled-back farm bill is setting up what could be an even bigger fight over food stamps and the role of domestic food aid in the United States. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio, File)
FACT CHECK: Farm bill doesn't end food stamps
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Associated Press MARY CLARE JALONICK 5 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — One after another, angry Democrats took to the House floor to say Republicans would increase hunger in America by stripping food stamps from the farm bill.

In reality, though, the bill passed by the House on Thursday didn't deal with food stamps at all. And the lack of congressional action on food stamps could keep the $80 billion-a-year program untouched by any cuts.

That didn't stop several Democrats from stating that the legislation "takes food nutrition from working families." House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told Republicans just before the bill passed on a narrow 216-208 vote: "You are taking food out of the mouths of your own poor constituents."

pricejj
07-12-2013, 10:32 PM
It is very much the reality. SNAP rules and regulations have become so lax ANYBODY could go in and get 2 months worth of food stamps.

You think there are a lot of missing fathers? Check out the food stamp doles. Not eligible or eligible for only minimal food stamps because of Daddy's income? Suddenly daddy is gone. They put a time limit, requirements, and multiple restrictions on financial assistance and there has been a significant decrease. The same needs to be done. Who chose to have those children? Yep, about time they took responsibility and yes that might mean some hard work. Boohoo.

I know several couples who have multiple kids together and live in huge new houses (Texas), but don't "legally" get married so the wife and kids can stay on foodstamps and medicaid.

bowtown
07-13-2013, 09:13 AM
I say we send all their jobs overseas and cut off their food stamps. That''ll teach 'em.

Yep! Screw the poors! Meanwhile, let's please make sure we get the farm subsidies passed so that all the unfortunate wealthy landowners and corporations don't get hurt any more than they already are... and oh yeah, some members of congress also get those subsidies, so there's that.

bowtown
07-13-2013, 09:19 AM
I know several couples who have multiple kids together and live in huge new houses (Texas), but don't "legally" get married so the wife and kids can stay on foodstamps and medicaid.

Yeah you personally know "several" families that have huge new houses and do this. I'm calling bs.

Rohirrim
07-13-2013, 09:21 AM
Here come the Cadillac welfare queens! Yikes!

gunns
07-14-2013, 12:35 AM
Its no different than Medicaid, there is probably alot of fraud and people getting beneifts that really should not - I don't think looking into that program and making changes is unreasonable- like someone else posted, it will get passed and funded, just in time.

The restrictions put on Medicaid have eliminated a lot of fraud there, especially in regards to citizenship and the low income limits.

No, I do not think food stamps will or should be eliminated. But, as you said, the rules need to be changed. Some need to know there are no more entitlements and they are responsible for themselves and their families. I have no problem with assisting, but I don't feel we, the taxpayers, need to take on the responsibility some of these people are unwilling to take themselves.

gunns
07-14-2013, 12:39 AM
Yeah you personally know "several" families that have huge new houses and do this. I'm calling bs.

Well, he may not really, but I definitely do. I know women who live with boyfriends who make excellent money, but because they are not married they can stay on it. But they cannot have children in common or they do have to count boyfriends income. Of course some women have discovered that not putting boyfriends name on the birth certificate or giving the child daddy's last name they can keep the benefits too.

bowtown
07-14-2013, 12:58 AM
Well, he may not really, but I definitely do. I know women who live with boyfriends who make excellent money, but because they are not married they can stay on it. But they cannot have children in common or they do have to count boyfriends income. Of course some women have discovered that not putting boyfriends name on the birth certificate or giving the child daddy's last name they can keep the benefits too.

They have to count the boyfriend's income if they purchase and prepare meals with him, whether they have kids together or not. If they are taking advantage of the system illegally then they should be reported, so that the money can go to those who truly need it. This is not a loophole, it's breaking the law.

gunns
07-14-2013, 02:10 AM
They have to count the boyfriend's income if they purchase and prepare meals with him, whether they have kids together or not. If they are taking advantage of the system illegally then they should be reported, so that the money can go to those who truly need it. This is not a loophole, it's breaking the law.

Ya think? Hell yes it's breaking the law. But a lot of these people know the rules and regulations as well as the workers and hell no they aren't going to say they purchase and prepare meals together. Friends and family aren't going to turn her in unless she pisses them off.

We know he's the father because she's been on assistance for 3 years, living with him the whole time. And we can't turn her in because we have no proof, his name is not on the birth certificate. But for food stamps she doesn't have to name the father. That's only if she's on financial or medical assistance and for medical if she doesn't name the father they only take the medical away from her, not the kids, UNLESS she becomes pregnant, then she can still get it.

But two funny stories. Woman collecting benefits for 2 children who she never put daddy's name on birth certificate. He dies. She cannot collect his social security for kids, no proof they are his. Nor can she collect for herself as she never married him. The other, same scenario but she had married him out of state, but never reported it. He dies and she can collect the social security, and although she did not put daddy's name on birth certificates, they were married when kids were born making them legally his. That tips the agency off to the fraud and she ends up in jail for welfare fraud.

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 11:25 AM
There are plenty of people in the "New" America who work full time jobs and don't make enough to pay rent, utilities and food. Ask Walmart employees. Oh, I take that back. Most of those retail jobs make sure their employees don't work more than thirty hours. That way, they don't have to give them any benefits. I've asked my local Safeway clerks. They're not allowed more than thirty hours.

Like I said, a guy working a job and getting food stamps is a lazy bum. A guy laying in a hammock in the Bahamas while his money makes him money, often times from corporations sending American jobs overseas, is an entrepreneur.

chadta
07-14-2013, 11:36 AM
Most of those retail jobs make sure their employees don't work more than thirty hours. That way, they don't have to give them any benefits. I've asked my local Safeway clerks. They're not allowed more than thirty hours.

You wanted obamacare, you got it, don't say you weren't warned.

gunns
07-14-2013, 12:09 PM
You wanted obamacare, you got it, don't say you weren't warned.

What does that have to do with anything he was talking about. What he was talking about has been happening long before Obamacare was a reality.

barryr
07-14-2013, 12:20 PM
You wanted obamacare, you got it, don't say you weren't warned.

Yep, more and more companies, especially the smaller ones, are going with part-timers, but the elderly may profit from it since they don't need insurance or healthcare from them, so they are becoming more attractive to companies. People complain you can't make a living working at McDonalds because of the pay and want to raise minimum wage to who knows what, yet it isn't any easier to make it working part-time either. 23 million on food stamps? Most ever on disability? This is evidence of a thriving economy and sound policies? If people keep their head in the sand, it won't get any better. Until more and more people see things for what they really are, expect more of the same.

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 12:42 PM
Like Gunns said, this **** was going on long before Obamacare was even thought up.

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 12:44 PM
Yep, more and more companies, especially the smaller ones, are going with part-timers, but the elderly may profit from it since they don't need insurance or healthcare from them, so they are becoming more attractive to companies. People complain you can't make a living working at McDonalds because of the pay and want to raise minimum wage to who knows what, yet it isn't any easier to make it working part-time either. 23 million on food stamps? Most ever on disability? This is evidence of a thriving economy and sound policies? If people keep their head in the sand, it won't get any better. Until more and more people see things for what they really are, expect more of the same.

Change tax law. Change regulations on the Wall Street casino. Change trade policies. Reward those who create jobs at home and punish those who take jobs offshore. And the entire scenario is changed in a year.

cutthemdown
07-14-2013, 08:17 PM
Rho we need to change the corp tax system. The single zone rate of 35% or whatever they have is a joke. There are so many writeoffs but only the big corp will get to use them all. Small biz which is where we have to get jobs from often cant do what apple does. You know make 5 billion overseas and leave it all there. Not pay one cent of tax on it. I wouldn't bring it home either at 35% but there has to be a number we can come up with where companies stay competitive overseas but have to at least bring some % of overseas profit home to be taxed. Clinton talks about this all the time. I thnk Bush jr would also but he stays so quiet because he feels presidents should talk about other presidents or policy much when they leave office.

i don't really see it as a left right issue. It just seems 35% of 0 from some big companies offshore earnings seems almost laughable. Like the theater of absurd.

I don't even think the media or the govt does a good job of explaining that issue to Americans. They are joke.

cutthemdown
07-14-2013, 08:18 PM
We need a dual rate system that divides profit made in American, profit made overseas into 2 different tax rates. But then we need a law passed by Congress if a corp is American they can only offshore so much of there foriegn profits. This number needs to be low though we don't want to drive them away. If you took all the money american corp made overseas the last 10 yrs and even taxed it at 2.5% I wonder how much it would be for the govt?

kappys
07-14-2013, 08:40 PM
Rho we need to change the corp tax system. The single zone rate of 35% or whatever they have is a joke. There are so many writeoffs but only the big corp will get to use them all. Small biz which is where we have to get jobs from often cant do what apple does. You know make 5 billion overseas and leave it all there. Not pay one cent of tax on it. I wouldn't bring it home either at 35% but there has to be a number we can come up with where companies stay competitive overseas but have to at least bring some % of overseas profit home to be taxed. Clinton talks about this all the time. I thnk Bush jr would also but he stays so quiet because he feels presidents should talk about other presidents or policy much when they leave office.

i don't really see it as a left right issue. It just seems 35% of 0 from some big companies offshore earnings seems almost laughable. Like the theater of absurd.

I don't even think the media or the govt does a good job of explaining that issue to Americans. They are joke.

The system could be solved by not taxing profits on these large multinationals at all - instead start taxing the payouts that they give to investors such as dividends and stock sales at an appropriate rate(35% or based on income tax bracket).

Pony Boy
07-15-2013, 10:51 AM
But two funny stories. Woman collecting benefits for 2 children who she never put daddy's name on birth certificate. He dies. She cannot collect his social security for kids, no proof they are his. Nor can she collect for herself as she never married him. The other, same scenario but she had married him out of state, but never reported it. He dies and she can collect the social security, and although she did not put daddy's name on birth certificates, they were married when kids were born making them legally his. That tips the agency off to the fraud and she ends up in jail for welfare fraud.

I was invited to an investment banquet a couple of weeks ago and the topic for one of the guest speakers was social security pitfalls. He had several stories similar to the one you posted that showed how much money was left on the table by not making the correct decisions on social security.

For example when I choose to draw my benefits, I will receive the maximum amount available. My wife on the other hand showed very little income and would draw almost nothing but there is still plenty of time for me to divert some our income to her in the future so she will also draw the maximum amount.

TonyR
07-15-2013, 01:03 PM
I was invited to an investment banquette...

Banquette? Is that like a female banquet? :~ohyah!:

Pony Boy
07-15-2013, 01:30 PM
Banquette? Is that like a female banquet? :~ohyah!:

Yep, I either need to use spell check or turn off autocorrect, not sure what wtf happens when I use a keyboard, probably wouldn't hurt to wear my reading glasses also.

TonyR
07-17-2013, 01:21 PM
The Republican Party is throwing corporate welfare at farmers, but telling people who are so poor they qualify for government aid to feed themselves that they are not a priority. As a matter of basic politics, the Republicans have lost their minds. This is Mitt Romney’s 47 percent remark all over again.

President Obama has vowed to veto this GOP farm bill if it hits his desk, so Congress is going to have to try again. You know who needs to find their voice and use it right now? Conservative Christian pastors and leaders. Christians need to seriously reconsider uncritical support for a political party that prioritizes lavishing subsidies on the agribusiness rich while telling the poor to sit quietly and wait for scraps.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-monty-burns-republicans-food-stamps/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-monty-burns-republicans-food-stamps

houghtam
07-17-2013, 04:29 PM
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-monty-burns-republicans-food-stamps/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-monty-burns-republicans-food-stamps

No, because as Beavis pointed out to us, the Bible teaches that taking care of the poor only counts if you do it on your own, and not if you do it by voting for government policy that does it.

Still trying to find that passage after about a year and a half. :wave:

Rohirrim
08-02-2013, 08:38 AM
Might be interesting to read about one of those "Cadillac welfare queens" and think about how cutting her food stamps will help her out. http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/16/19504230-im-working-as-hard-as-i-can-for-the-poor-the-costs-of-life-can-be-higher?lite

bowtown
08-02-2013, 09:16 AM
Might be interesting to read about one of those "Cadillac welfare queens" and think about how cutting her food stamps will help her out. http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/16/19504230-im-working-as-hard-as-i-can-for-the-poor-the-costs-of-life-can-be-higher?lite

Well sure. Of course the mainstream media is going to find the one person in America not totally gaming the system.

Sorry, I just don't believe there are other actual people in this woman's situation. I don't ever see them in my neighborhood or hear about them on my TV, therefore, they probably don't exist. The poor people I see on my favorite police TV show all do drugs and are lazy. That's how poor people are.

BroncoBeavis
08-02-2013, 10:45 AM
No, because as Beavis pointed out to us, the Bible teaches that taking care of the poor only counts if you do it on your own, and not if you do it by voting for government policy that does it.

Still trying to find that passage after about a year and a half. :wave:

Yeah, Christ was a turrible Christian. Audience with the Guvnah, and not even one petition of grievance for the state of the Empire's poor.

Hou. 1:1 - 1:2 "Yea, though the land be plenty with the poor, worry not of alms from thine own hand. For you have a ballot, and with it a lawyer elected, who shall tap thy wealthy neighbor, and do thy work for thee." LOL

BroncoBeavis
08-02-2013, 10:48 AM
And for the record, the R's are absolutely retarded for having a fight over food stamps of all things at this point.

Terrible battle selection, TBH.

houghtam
08-02-2013, 11:04 AM
And for the record, the R's are absolutely retarded for having a fight over food stamps of all things at this point.

Terrible battle selection, TBH.

Let's be real here. Does this really surprise you? After seeing how the 2012 election went down after basically having the race in the bag due to the economy and the midterm results, are you really surprised at any of the stupidity that goes on on the Republican side any more?

After seeing the countless brainless blunders they've unleashed for, oh, the last 24 months or so, a situation like this is par for the course. In any other time, in any other administration, this would be huge news. But there has been such continuously bad battle selection on the part of the Republicans...in fact, there hasn't been any selection, it's just been one big battle.

People are sick of it, as Congress' ratings get worse and worse, setting a new record each month. The Tea Party has infiltrated and is in the process of destroying the Republican Party. If the Republicans want to retain the brand name, they would be smart to adopt the liberal policies so many on here have stated time and again. If they continue to pander to the Tea Party, they will be replaced by a party more resembling Libertarianism. It's only a matter of time.

But regardless, they need to change, and they need to do so by no longer advocating policies that target the poor, like food stamps, minorities, like immigration and voter ID, marriage rights and medicare.

The polls are in, and unless you are still in the bubble that believes most polls are faked, the polls say change, or die.

BroncoBeavis
08-02-2013, 11:41 AM
Let's be real here. Does this really surprise you? After seeing how the 2012 election went down after basically having the race in the bag due to the economy and the midterm results, are you really surprised at any of the stupidity that goes on on the Republican side any more?

After seeing the countless brainless blunders they've unleashed for, oh, the last 24 months or so, a situation like this is par for the course. In any other time, in any other administration, this would be huge news. But there has been such continuously bad battle selection on the part of the Republicans...in fact, there hasn't been any selection, it's just been one big battle.

People are sick of it, as Congress' ratings get worse and worse, setting a new record each month. The Tea Party has infiltrated and is in the process of destroying the Republican Party. If the Republicans want to retain the brand name, they would be smart to adopt the liberal policies so many on here have stated time and again. If they continue to pander to the Tea Party, they will be replaced by a party more resembling Libertarianism. It's only a matter of time.

But regardless, they need to change, and they need to do so by no longer advocating policies that target the poor, like food stamps, minorities, like immigration and voter ID, marriage rights and medicare.

The polls are in, and unless you are still in the bubble that believes most polls are faked, the polls say change, or die.

It's not a TP problem. It's a leadership problem. Leadership says to whomever wants to raise a fuss about a side issue like this "Hey, I hear ya, but we need to can it in this case because it's insignificant in the big picture and here's why"

In any group of hundreds of politicians, you'll always have a few nitwits that want to argue over this or that inconsequential bit, maybe on principle, or for spite, or any myriad number of reasons.

It's the leadership that either lets that see the light of day or sidelines it. And letting this kind of crap fester with the kind of real, cataclysmic type problems we're facing is the real problem. They lack discipline and focus. And they've had enough of a chance now that it's clear that new leadership is needed.

Rohirrim
08-02-2013, 12:01 PM
Nope. The GOP invited the radical fringe into the party in order to take the South from the Dems. It was the Lee Atwater "Southern Strategy" that got Reagan elected. They peddled the mantra of "states rights", abortion, flag burning, more prisons and the various wars on drugs and homosexuality. It was so successful, they couldn't afford to change their tune. They had to keep throwing meat to the ravening fringe. Now that fringe has congealed into a tumor the party can't excise. It has metastasized and it wants to sit in the driver's seat.

You can already see what is going to happen. The fringe is going to line up behind Paul and Cruz and the rest of the party is going to line up with Christie and the GOP establishment. It's going to be a cage match to the death. Popcorn time. ;D

BroncoBeavis
08-02-2013, 01:10 PM
Nope. The GOP invited the radical fringe into the party in order to take the South from the Dems. It was the Lee Atwater "Southern Strategy" that got Reagan elected. They peddled the mantra of "states rights", abortion, flag burning, more prisons and the various wars on drugs and homosexuality. It was so successful, they couldn't afford to change their tune. They had to keep throwing meat to the ravening fringe. Now that fringe has congealed into a tumor the party can't excise. It has metastasized and it wants to sit in the driver's seat.

You can already see what is going to happen. The fringe is going to line up behind Paul and Cruz and the rest of the party is going to line up with Christie and the GOP establishment. It's going to be a cage match to the death. Popcorn time. ;D

Put down the pipe, Roh. :)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-15-2013, 10:47 AM
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