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mhgaffney
07-11-2013, 12:26 PM
This thread is long overdue. I start it with two posts lifted from other threads.

NSA whistleblower Russ Tice says the shadow government is very real. Check it out. MHG

NSA Blackmailing Obama? | Interview with Whistleblower Russ Tice

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35505.htm

mhgaffney
07-11-2013, 12:31 PM
There is no clear boundary line between the financial elite and the US intelligence community. There is a large overlap.

Money making scams are inextricable to both.

I contend that the recent manipulations of the gold market are closely connected with the new surveillance technology and blackmail of high officials.
MHG


Game Over - “It’s All A Farce, The Fed & German Gold Is Gone”

Listen as hedge trader William Kaye explains how the bullion banks have manipulated the gold market. This includes the outright theft of the people's gold and Germany's gold.

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2013/7/10_William_Kaye.html

mhgaffney
07-11-2013, 12:36 PM
SEC destroyed 9/11 documents

I just received this letter from David Callahan, who in 2009 filed a FOIA to the SEC asking for release of all documents pertaining to its investigation of pre-9/11 insider trading.

At the time Callahan was executive director of SmartCEO magazine.

To my knowledge, the OM is the only site on the Internet where this is posted. You saw it here first.

The letter speaks for itself.

Callahan asked me to delete his personal address -- so I am removing the SEC letter -- until this is done. I will put it back up later.
MHG

mhgaffney
07-11-2013, 12:55 PM
former Counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke says the recent fatal car crash of journalist Michael Hastings is "consistent with a car cyber attack."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339.html

Hastings's profile of Gen Stanley McChrystal led to the firing of McChrystal, then commander of all US forces in Afghanistan.

The Runaway General

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-general-20100622

orinjkrush
07-11-2013, 01:32 PM
i have always wondered why Barack the candidate and Barack the Prezident are so different. A little blackmail might explain that. Or just growing up. I don't know.

Rohirrim
07-11-2013, 01:50 PM
It would explain Obama's complete 180 since being elected.

Tice: "We are living in a police state."

Average American response: "Yawn."

mhgaffney
07-14-2013, 03:18 PM
Shocking that the head of homeland security has become the Chancellor of UC Berkeley. MHG

Coup d’etat

By Paul Craig Roberts

July 14, 2013 "Information Clearing House -The American people have suffered a coup d’etat, but they are hesitant to acknowledge it. The regime ruling in Washington today lacks constitutional and legal legitimacy. Americans are ruled by usurpers who claim that the executive branch is above the law and that the US Constitution is a mere “scrap of paper.”

An unconstitutional government is an illegitimate government. The oath of allegiance requires defense of the Constitution “against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” As the Founding Fathers made clear, the main enemy of the Constitution is the government itself. Power does not like to be bound and tied down and constantly works to free itself from constraints.

The basis of the regime in Washington is nothing but usurped power. The Obama Regime, like the Bush/Cheney Regime, has no legitimacy. Americans are oppressed by an illegitimate government ruling, not by law and the Constitution, but by lies and naked force. Those in government see the US Constitution as a “chain that binds our hands.”

The South African apartheid regime was more legitimate than the regime in Washington. The apartheid Israeli regime in Palestine is more legitimate. The Taliban are more legitimate. Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein were more legitimate.

The only constitutional protection that the Bush/Obama regime has left standing is the Second Amendment, a meaningless amendment considering the disparity in arms between Washington and what is permitted to the citizenry. No citizen standing with a rifle can protect himself and his family from one of the Department of Homeland Security’s 2,700 tanks, or from a drone, or from a heavily armed SWAT force in body armor.

Like serfs in the dark ages, American citizens can be picked up on the authority of some unknown person in the executive branch and thrown in a dungeon, subject to torture, without any evidence ever being presented to a court or any information to the person’s relatives of his/her whereabouts. Or they can be placed on a list without explanation that curtails their right to travel by air. Every communication of every American, except face-to-face conversation in non-bugged environments, is intercepted and recorded by the National Stasi Agency from which phrases can be strung together to produce a “domestic extremist.”

If throwing an American citizen in a dungeon is too much trouble, the citizen can simply be blown up with a hellfire missile launched from a drone. No explanation is necessary.
For the Obama tyrant, the exterminated human being was just a name on a list.

The president of the united states has declared that he possesses these constitutionally forbidden rights, and his regime has used them to oppress and murder US citizens. The president’s claim that his will is higher than law and the Constitution is public knowledge. Yet, there is no demand for the usurper’s impeachment. Congress is supine. The serfs are obedient.

The people who helped transform a democratically accountable president into a Caesar include John Yoo, who was rewarded for his treason by being accepted as a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, Boalt school of law. Yoo’s colleague in treason, Jay Scott Bybee was rewarded by being appointed a federal judge on the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. We now have a Berkeley law professor teaching, and a federal circuit judge ruling, that the executive branch is above the law.

The executive branch coup against America has succeeded. The question is: will it stand? Today, the executive branch consists of liars, criminals, and traitors. The evil on earth seems concentrated in Washington.

Washington’s response to Edward Snowden’s evidence that Washington, in total contravention of law both domestic and international, is spying on the entire world has demonstrated to every country that Washington places the pleasure of revenge above law and human rights.

On Washington’s orders, its European puppet states refused overflight permission to the Bolivian presidential airliner carrying President Morales and forced the airliner to land in Austria and be searched. Washington thought that Edward Snowden might be aboard the airliner. Capturing Snowden was more important to Washington than respect for international law and diplomatic immunity.

How long before Washington orders its UK puppet to send in a SWAT team to drag Julian Assange from the Ecuadoran embassy in London and hand him over to the CIA for waterboarding?

On July 12 Snowden met in the Moscow airport with human rights organizations from around the world. He stated that the illegal exercise of power by Washington prevents him from traveling to any of the three Latin American countries who have offered him asylum. Therefore, Snowden said that he accepted Russian President Putin’s conditions and requested asylum in Russia.

Insouciant americans and the young unaware of the past don’t know what this means. During my professional life it was Soviet Russia that persecuted truth tellers, while America gave them asylum and tried to protect them. Today it is Washington that persecutes those who speak the truth, and it is Russia that protects them.

The American public has not, this time, fallen for Washington’s lie that Snowden is a traitor. The polls show that a majority of Americans see Snowden as a whistleblower.
It is not the US that is damaged by Snowden’s revelations. It is the criminal elements in the US government that have pulled off a coup against democracy, the Constitution, and the American people who are damaged. It is the criminals who have seized power, not the American people, who are demanding Snowden’s scalp.

The Obama Regime, like the Bush/Cheney Regime, has no legitimacy. Americans are
oppressed by an illegitimate government ruling, not by law and the Constitution, but by lies and naked force.

Under the Obama tyranny, it is not merely Snowden who is targeted for extermination, but every truth-telling American in the country. It was Department of Homeland Security boss Janet Napolitano, recently rewarded for her service to tyranny by being appointed Chancellor of the of the University of California system, who said that Homeland Security had shifted its focus from Muslim terrorists to “domestic extremists,” an elastic and undefined term that easily includes truth-tellers like Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden who embarrass the government by revealing its crimes. The criminals who have seized illegitimate power in Washington cannot survive unless truth can be suppressed or redefined as treason.

If Americans acquiesce to the coup d’etat, they will have placed themselves firmly in the grip of tyranny.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. His latest book, The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West is now available.

baja
07-14-2013, 03:53 PM
Good thread, I'll be contributing

W*GS
07-14-2013, 04:37 PM
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baja
07-14-2013, 04:39 PM
If you want to post David Icke at least do him justice and not post some 5 minute hatchet job.




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W*GS
07-14-2013, 05:09 PM
If you want to post David Icke at least do him justice

Here's a completely just take on Icke...

http://cowpattyflats.com/Photos/800px-CowPie-JeffVanuga.JPG

baja
07-14-2013, 05:29 PM
Wow Wags you should eat more fiber.

baja
07-14-2013, 08:04 PM
WAGS;

http://optimisman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/head-in-sand.jpeg

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 08:31 PM
I didn't realize the moon was a hollowed out, artificial sphere used by the reptilian illuminati to bathe the Earth in mind control beams. It's surprising that the reptoids allow this info to be disseminated on the internet. I imagine they assume that it is too outrageous to be believed. Nefarious!

cutthemdown
07-14-2013, 08:33 PM
I love it! It's not that Obama stinks at being a leader. It's that he is being blackmailed into being the worst President of all time. Thats ****ing genius. Then next election blame it on white people and the republicans.

Politics wacko liberal style!

baja
07-14-2013, 08:37 PM
I didn't realize the moon was a hollowed out, artificial sphere used by the reptilian illuminati to bathe the Earth in mind control beams. It's surprising that the reptoids allow this info to be disseminated on the internet. I imagine they assume that it is too outrageous to be believed. Nefarious!


The only truth that can be said is we really do not know the nature of the sub terrain of the moon. His claim is wild but can you prove him wrong?

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 09:09 PM
The only truth that can be said is we really do not know the nature of the sub terrain of the moon. His claim is wild but can you prove him wrong?

Nope. I can't disprove that Jupiter is populated by mermaids either.

SoCalBronco
07-14-2013, 09:14 PM
Baja...when are you going to get past the whole reptilian illuminati it's doomsday buy gold and grow organic vegetables and live off the suns rays shtick?

Come on dude. :)

baja
07-14-2013, 09:17 PM
Baja...when are you going to get past the whole reptilian illuminati it's doomsday buy gold and grow organic vegetables and live off the suns rays shtick?

Come on dude. :)


October 27, 2015

baja
07-14-2013, 09:18 PM
Nope. I can't disprove that Jupiter is populated by mermaids either.

Well actually you can, we can photograph the surface of Jupiter.

Rohirrim
07-14-2013, 10:18 PM
Well actually you can, we can photograph the surface of Jupiter.

Except that Jupiter has no "surface."

Garcia Bronco
07-15-2013, 09:21 AM
But...


Are they shadow dancing?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR3AjnNEoNA

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 10:18 AM
Except that Jupiter has no "surface."

It probably does -- we just can't see it.

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 10:20 AM
Baja,

This was intended to be a serious thread. The stuff about the illuminati is not verifiable. It's wild conjecture IMO.

MHG

DenverBrit
07-15-2013, 11:22 AM
Baja,

This was intended to be a serious thread. The stuff about the illuminati is not verifiable. It's wild conjecture IMO.

MHG

Serious thread? What dirt are the NSA using to blackmail Obama?

SoCalBronco
07-15-2013, 11:35 AM
Lol...at Gaff calling something wild conjecture.

Irony alert

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 11:44 AM
Lol...at Gaff calling something wild conjecture.

Irony alert

You missed your calling so cal. You should have been a comic.

MHG

DenverBrit
07-15-2013, 12:46 PM
You missed your calling so cal. You should have been a comic.

MHG

So what is the NSA using to blackmail Obama?

Serious question for serious thread.

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 01:45 PM
This will stand the hair on the back of your neck on end. MHG

Surveillance Blowback
The Making of the U.S. Surveillance State, 1898-2020

By Alfred W. McCoy

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35550.htm

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 01:46 PM
Brit, see the above piece by professor Alfred McCoy. He is the author of the Politics of Heroin, among other books.

jerseyboiler120
07-15-2013, 01:50 PM
Unbelievable. You libs just can't admit when you're wrong. The shadow government IS obummer and that crazy psychopath screaming pelosi and communist reid and billary. The whole damn gang has ruined this country. And you still want to love the messiah. This is why there is no hope for America.

jerseyboiler120
07-15-2013, 01:51 PM
If obummer was caught on tape shooting someone you libs would say he was forced to do so by white racism. Unbelievable.

DenverBrit
07-15-2013, 02:22 PM
Brit, see the above piece by professor Alfred McCoy. He is the author of the Politics of Heroin, among other books.

So what are the NSA using to blackmail Obama?? Simple question.

mhgaffney
07-15-2013, 03:35 PM
So what are the NSA using to blackmail Obama?? Simple question.

Good question. Why don't you research it and report back. Sounds like a plan. MHG

DenverBrit
07-15-2013, 04:15 PM
Good question. Why don't you research it and report back. Sounds like a plan. MHG

You make the claim, can't back it up so you want me to research it? :rofl:

Meds, Gaffney, meds!!!

baja
07-15-2013, 05:24 PM
So what are the NSA using to blackmail Obama?? Simple question.

I hear they have pictures that prove he is hung like a white guy.

mhgaffney
07-16-2013, 11:00 AM
You make the claim, can't back it up so you want me to research it? :rofl:

Meds, Gaffney, meds!!!

You ****** moron.

I merely posted the interview. Evidently you never even listened.

So typical. MHG

DenverBrit
07-16-2013, 11:07 AM
You ****** moron.

I merely posted the interview. Evidently you never even listened.

So typical. MHG

Hey, what's with the name calling, I'll set Barryr on your ass. :rofl:

So you have no idea what the NSA are using to blackmail Obama. Just post and run away.

So typical.

Meds, Gaffney, meds.

baja
07-16-2013, 02:26 PM
Baja,

This was intended to be a serious thread. The stuff about the illuminati is not verifiable. It's wild conjecture IMO.

MHG

Well sweetheart your opinion in this instance is wrong. Watch the david Icke video (post #10).

Bacchus
07-17-2013, 10:46 AM
Serious thread? What dirt are the NSA using to blackmail Obama?

He is a fascists, socialist, communist, Muslim, radical Christian, Kenyan born, white hating, pot smoking, homosexual.

He also diddles little boys.

mhgaffney
07-17-2013, 12:39 PM
Lest I forget - Brit never fails to remind me why I had him on iggy.

DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 01:48 PM
Lest I forget - Brit never fails to remind me why I had him on iggy.

Which is why you pick and choose which of my posts to respond to. :oyvey:

So what is the NSA using to blackmail Obama??

It's ok to admit your full of ****....we all know that, but it's therapeutic for you to admit it on occasion.

Meds, Gaffney, meds!!

baja
07-17-2013, 02:32 PM
Which is why you pick and choose which of my posts to respond to. :oyvey:

So what is the NSA using to blackmail Obama??

It's ok to admit your full of ****....we all know that, but it's therapeutic for you to admit it on occasion.

Meds, Gaffney, meds!!

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Rohirrim
07-17-2013, 02:40 PM
Obama is one of the best friends Wall Street ever had. He really blows at communism.

DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 02:45 PM
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Blackmail only works when the information needs to remain a secret.

Using a national bestseller probably won't work. :)

It would take a book that nobody reads........ like something Gaffney would write.

mhgaffney
07-17-2013, 04:47 PM
There was nothing wrong with Saul Alinsky -- and nothing whatever the matter with Malcolm X. Both powerful voices.

Obama is not a commie - - he's a CIA clone.

Brit misses the point. The new technology is being used to blackmail members of Congress, generals, admirals, judges, and gov't officials --

The scathing attacks on Snowden by various members of Congress only confirms Russ Tice.

baja
07-17-2013, 04:58 PM
Blackmail only works when the information needs to remain a secret.

Using a national bestseller probably won't work. :)

It would take a book that nobody reads........ like something Gaffney would write.


Except if there were indisputable proof backing the claims of the book it would be a bomb shell and immediately end the presidency of one Barack Obama because it would prove he gained the office of president of the United States of America under false presences and may not have been born on American soil. Currently it's just a good story.

houghtam
07-17-2013, 05:24 PM
Except if there were indisputable proof backing the claims of the book it would be a bomb shell and immediately end the presidency of one Barack Obama because it would prove he gained the office of president of the United States of America under false presences and may not have been born on American soil. Currently it's just a good story.

Do you know what it means to be a natural born citizen? I'm guessing not.

baja
07-17-2013, 05:30 PM
Do you know what it means to be a natural born citizen? I'm guessing not.

It means being born in one of the fifty states of the United States. Not sure if that includes US territories or not.

baja
07-17-2013, 05:31 PM
Do you know what it means to be a natural born citizen? I'm guessing not.

Are you familiar with the claims of the book I linked info about?

mhgaffney
07-17-2013, 05:49 PM
I recommend to anyone interested in this issue of Obama's citizenship to check out Wayne Madsen's book on Obama THE MANUFACTURING OF A PRESIDENT.

Madsen is a good researcher -- he thinks Obama was born in Hawaii and was a US citizen -- but at the time he went to Indonesia to study there he had to renounce his US citizenship -- to meet Indonesian law.

It looks - in short - like the citizenship issue is thin, to say the least.

MHG

alkemical
07-17-2013, 06:35 PM
There was nothing wrong with Saul Alinsky -- and nothing whatever the matter with Malcolm X. Both powerful voices.

Obama is not a commie - - he's a CIA clone.

Brit misses the point. The new technology is being used to blackmail members of Congress, generals, admirals, judges, and gov't officials --

The scathing attacks on Snowden by various members of Congress only confirms Russ Tice.



he is a clone....

he's a clone of ankanatan (sp). they, (the illuminati) then incarned the pharoh in that body. totally explains the "citizenship" issue.

houghtam
07-17-2013, 07:23 PM
It means being born in one of the fifty states of the United States. Not sure if that includes US territories or not.

Incorrect.

According to the Congressional Research Service:

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

(relevant parts bolded)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

This means that Barack Obama could have been born on the moon, and he would still be a natural-born citizen because one of his parents was a US citizen at the time of his birth.

I am pretty sure you, Vegas Bronco and a few others were educated on this by yours truly a year and a half ago when you were claiming Arizona had a right to question his Hawaiian birth certificate. Apparently that year and a half of conspiracy theories and conjecture has deadened your memory. Or perhaps it was that ounce and a half of pot you smoked over that time period, I don't know.

In any case, if you're looking for a way to undermine Obama's candidacy for president (...5 years after the fact), you're going to have to try and disprove that his mother was a US citizen.

Good luck.

baja
07-17-2013, 07:38 PM
Incorrect.

According to the Congressional Research Service:



(relevant parts bolded)

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

This means that Barack Obama could have been born on the moon, and he would still be a natural-born citizen because one of his parents was a US citizen at the time of his birth.

I am pretty sure you, Vegas Bronco and a few others were educated on this by yours truly a year and a half ago when you were claiming Arizona had a right to question his Hawaiian birth certificate. Apparently that year and a half of conspiracy theories and conjecture has deadened your memory. Or perhaps it was that ounce and a half of pot you smoked over that time period, I don't know.

In any case, if you're looking for a way to undermine Obama's candidacy for president (...5 years after the fact), you're going to have to try and disprove that his mother was a US citizen.

Good luck.

So are you an ass hole in the real world too?

houghtam
07-17-2013, 07:49 PM
So are you an a-hole in the real world too?

I suppose it depends on your point of view.

I'm sure to people who continue to perpetuate repeatedly disproven myths in order to support their own line of thinking that fits their pigeon-hole view of the world, I am an a-hole.

But we wouldn't be having this conversation if you did your research without a predetermined result in mind. To you, there has to be a conspiracy, so you will look for any way to try and find it, and anyone who doesn't come up with your conclusions must be blind.

Me on the other hand, the facts speak pretty plainly for themselves in this case. Obama IS a natural-born citizen, whether you like it or not. No state can challenge his presidency, whether you like it or not. This is not a result of the mainstream media brainwashing me, either. These are facts. Clear, indesputable facts.

Whether you like it or not.

Rohirrim
07-17-2013, 08:09 PM
I think Obama has been body-snatched and replaced by a reptoid. Look at the facts! He bears no resemblance to the guy he campaigned as.

baja
07-17-2013, 08:11 PM
I suppose it depends on your point of view.

I'm sure to people who continue to perpetuate repeatedly disproven myths in order to support their own line of thinking that fits their pigeon-hole view of the world, I am an a-hole.

But we wouldn't be having this conversation if you did your research without a predetermined result in mind. To you, there has to be a conspiracy, so you will look for any way to try and find it, and anyone who doesn't come up with your conclusions must be blind.

Me on the other hand, the facts speak pretty plainly for themselves in this case. Obama IS a natural-born citizen, whether you like it or not. No state can challenge his presidency, whether you like it or not. This is not a result of the mainstream media brainwashing me, either. These are facts. Clear, indesputable facts.

Whether you like it or not.

Then why did he need to fake a birth certificate?

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Rohirrim
07-17-2013, 08:16 PM
Then why did he need to fake a birth certificate?

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That reporter is hot. Even if she is a Republicant.

houghtam
07-17-2013, 08:23 PM
Then why did he need to fake a birth certificate

See?

There MUST be a conspiracy!

It was verified by the state of Hawaii. Thats all. End of story.

Stop perpetuating a myth. You are doing nothing but weakening the integrity of the election process by giving credence to something entirely untrue.

If you wonder why most of the people on this board respond to your posts with vitriol, this is why right here. If you really want people to listen to you, don't start with the premise of a conspiracy and then try to find evidence to support it. That's the equivalent of reading the bible with the thought that, say, traditional marriage only exists between one man and one woman, and then going and picking out the quotes that support it.

If you had gone into this with the first question in your mind being "well what constitutes a natural-born citizen?", we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

houghtam
07-17-2013, 08:25 PM
Then why did he need to fake a birth certificate?

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And now you add this video.

Let me re-re-educate you.

Full Faith and Credit Clause. Arpaio's opinion < Hawaii's opinion. End of story.

DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 08:25 PM
Then why did he need to fake a birth certificate?


You're also a 'birther'??

How do you find the time?? :rofl:

baja
07-17-2013, 08:33 PM
And now you add this video.

Let me re-re-educate you.

Full Faith and Credit Clause. Arpaio's opinion < Hawaii's opinion. End of story.

Your " end of the story " is not the end of the story. The docmunent itself is easily shown to be faked

It has been scientifically taken apart layer by layer and shown to not only be a fake but a poor one at that.

But that info is wasted on you because it is in your words its a conspiracy theory therefore bogus. Research the document itself there are many links that take this document apart.

houghtam
07-17-2013, 08:38 PM
Your " end of the story " is not the end of the story. The docmunent itself is easily shown to be faked

It has been scientifically taken apart layer by layer and shown to not only be a fake but a poor one at that.

But that info is wasted on you because it is in your words its a conspiracy theory therefore bogus. Research the document itself there are many links that take this document apart.

Hawaii's opinion (verified by several sources, from both parties) > those links

End of story.

Unless of course you want to repeal the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

But that info is wasted on you because you only care about the US Constitution when it suits your interests (read: conspiracy theories).

DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 08:53 PM
Your " end of the story " is not the end of the story. The docmunent itself is easily shown to be faked

It has been scientifically taken apart layer by layer and shown to not only be a fake but a poor one at that.

But that info is wasted on you because it is in your words its a conspiracy theory therefore bogus. Research the document itself there are many links that take this document apart.

Trump sent his own set of goons to Hawaii determined to discredit Obama's birth certificate.....they found nada!!


Donald 'Bombshell' Fails to Blow Up

Trump took credit last year when Obama was forced to release his birth certificate, laying to rest a long-simmering rumor that the president was not born in the United States.

"I'm very honored to have got him to release his long-form birth certificate, or whatever it may be," Trump said in the video.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/donald-trump-fails-drop-bombshell-offers-cash-obama/story?id=17553670

baja
07-17-2013, 08:55 PM
Hawaii's opinion (verified by several sources, from both parties) > those links

End of story.

Unless of course you want to repeal the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

But that info is wasted on you because you only care about the US Constitution when it suits your interests (read: conspiracy theories).

You didn't watch the video did you.

You will say, "No I didn't need to, I already know it's a conspiracy theory."

baja
07-17-2013, 08:56 PM
Trump sent his own set of goons to Hawaii determined to discredit Obama's birth certificate.....they found nada!!


Donald 'Bombshell' Fails to Blow Up

Trump took credit last year when Obama was forced to release his birth certificate, laying to rest a long-simmering rumor that the president was not born in the United States.

"I'm very honored to have got him to release his long-form birth certificate, or whatever it may be," Trump said in the video.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/donald-trump-fails-drop-bombshell-offers-cash-obama/story?id=17553670

I have no idea where Obama was born but the birth certificate he presented to the American people is a forgery.

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houghtam
07-17-2013, 09:02 PM
I have no idea where Obama was born but the birth certificate he presented to the American people is a forgery.

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Even if that we're the case (still no proof that it is not), IT DOES NOT MATTER.

If his mother is a US Citizen, HE is a natural-born citizen.

End. Of. ****ing. Story.

Come back to me when you have proof that his mother's birth certificate is a fake. The rest is not only conjecture, it's completely irrelevant to the equation.

DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 09:08 PM
I have no idea where Obama was born but the birth certificate he presented to the American people is a forgery.


Sure it is. :rofl:

baja
07-17-2013, 09:37 PM
Even if that we're the case (still no proof that it is not), IT DOES NOT MATTER.

If his mother is a US Citizen, HE is a natural-born citizen.

End. Of. ****ing. Story.

Come back to me when you have proof that his mother's birth certificate is a fake. The rest is not only conjecture, it's completely irrelevant to the equation.

See this is how ass holes write. I don't have a problem with disagreement. There are many people here I disagree with on a variety of subjects but I like and respect them. You not s much. In case you have not been told you are a jerk.


My question is why did Obama submit a clearly faked birth certificate to the American people.


Natural-born-citizen clause
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Part of the constitutional provision as it appeared in 1787
Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen.

baja
07-17-2013, 09:40 PM
Sure it is. :rofl:

Watch this, it's only a few minutes long.


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Fedaykin
07-17-2013, 09:43 PM
I have no idea where Obama was born but the birth certificate he presented to the American people is a forgery.

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This ****ing idiocy again? The thing was scanned and automatically broken into separable layers by the scanning software. It's basic, common functionality of modern scanning/graphics design software that millions of graphics designers rely on to do their jobs on a daily basis.

I mean, for ****s sake, it full of obvious sillyness from scanning software doing it's best (and failing in silly ways) to do this common task.

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DenverBrit
07-17-2013, 09:58 PM
Joe Arpaio is a rabid birther and publicity hound taking another run at this bull**** story using recycled nonsense.

His so called 'investigator' is another con man (Gaffneyesq) with a book deal. Buy my book, buy my book.

I can't believe you are holding up this non story as proof. Hilarious!

Joe Arpaio's New Birther "Evidence," as Usual, Was Debunked Months Ago

Just like Arpaio's announcement on March 1 that he had evidence Obama's using a phony birth certificate, his birther buddies are using recycled theories -- theories that were debunked months before Arpaio and friends presented them to the world as "evidence."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/07/joe_arpaios_new_birther_eviden.php

Arpaio’s ‘Volunteer’ Investigator Profits From Birther Probe

By his own account, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation into the president’s birth certificate is far from over. But already, the supposedly volunteer investigator leading the sheriff’s probe is raking in a profit from it.

Michael Zullo, the investigator who took center stage at Arpaio’s news conference last week, has already co-authored an e-book about his investigation and is selling it for $9.99 on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

The book gives Zullo a financial motive to continue stoking the flames of a conspiracy theory that has been debunked numerous times by an array of independent investigations.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/arpaios_volunteer_investigator_profits_from_birthe r_probe.php

houghtam
07-18-2013, 12:37 AM
Can't convince the guy who believes in lizard people overlords that Obama is a natural-born citizen, even though the verbiage of every law, from state to federal, says he is.

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

But we're the ones who are blind.

LOL

Arkie
07-18-2013, 10:48 AM
Watch this, it's only a few minutes long.


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That video is from March. Where did this lead to in the last 4 months?

baja
07-18-2013, 11:50 AM
That video is from March. Where did this lead to in the last 4 months?

Kennedy was killed over 50 years ago and we still don't know the truth.

W*GS
07-18-2013, 12:02 PM
Kennedy was killed over 50 years ago and we still don't know the truth.

"Over"? You can't do math.

DenverBrit
07-18-2013, 12:02 PM
Kennedy was killed over 50 years ago and we still don't know the truth.

Sure we do, he's dead! :)

houghtam
07-18-2013, 12:33 PM
Sure we do, he's dead! :)

No he was a reincarnated Pharaoh or some stupid **** like that.

Crushaholic
07-18-2013, 12:47 PM
"Over"? You can't do math.

In order to help baja, I'm going to bump this thread on November 23rd. At that time, his statement will become true...:)

DenverBrit
07-18-2013, 01:02 PM
No he was a reincarnated Pharaoh or some stupid **** like that.

:)

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs48/i/2009/191/6/1/JFK_Conspiracy_Flowchart_by_koiman0.jpg

baja
07-18-2013, 03:48 PM
In Mexico it's 2014 already. You guys are behind the times.

mhgaffney
07-18-2013, 05:31 PM
You clowns live in a dream world. Conspiracies do happen.

Remember the scene from 9/11 -- when Rudy Giuliani and his police chief Bernard Kerik told the press there were no explosives at the World Trade Center. ?

Here is the archived clip. Refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epqoa6TJZWI

Kerik is the guy standing behind Giuliani's right shoulder.

This was the first news report, that day, denying explosives. The press responded like lemmings -- and soon all gov't officials were parroting the same line -- no explosives no explosives!

Guess where Bernard Kerik is today? In federal prison -- convicted in 2009 for bribery, tax fraud and document falsification.

Kind of makes you wonder whether he and Rudy were lying on 9/11.
MHG

baja
07-18-2013, 05:38 PM
You clowns live in a dream world. Conspiracies do happen.

Remember the scene from 9/11 -- when Rudy Giuliani and his police chief Bernard Kerik told the press there were no explosives at the World Trade Center. ?

Here is the archived clip. Refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epqoa6TJZWI

Kerik is the guy standing behind Giuliani's right shoulder.

This was the first news report, that day, denying explosives. The press responded like lemmings -- and soon all gov't officials were parroting the same line -- no explosives no explosives!

Guess where Bernard Kerik is today? In federal prison -- convicted in 2009 for bribery, tax fraud and document falsification.

Kind of makes you wonder whether he and Rudy were lying on 9/11.
MHG

Don't waste your time mark, these clowns don't even care to get to the truth of the assassination of a beloved president. The swallow the party line without question any other explanation is a.... wait for it..... "Conspiracy theory'" like it is some kind of dirty word. They question nothing not even when buildings fall down all by themselves like building 7 did.

alkemical
07-18-2013, 08:59 PM
No he was a reincarnated Pharaoh or some stupid **** like that.

the kennedy bloodline hasn't earned that honor...and you can't reincarnate a sacrifice, unless you're isis anyway.

W*GS
07-18-2013, 09:18 PM
It's so simple, really.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Conspiracy.jpg

Rohirrim
07-18-2013, 09:27 PM
It's so simple, really.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Conspiracy.jpg

That's obviously bull****. Not a single reptoid? ???

barryr
07-18-2013, 09:35 PM
My guess is Obama filled out paperwork when going to college as a foreign student, which is a big reason why he won't release his records. Fraud wouldn't look so good, neither would his average grades. Someone with nothing to hide would show his records, just as was demanded of Bush who did by the way and he didn't run on transparency like Obama did. Obama doesn't seem to know what that word means, nor how many states this country has.

houghtam
07-19-2013, 01:46 AM
My guess is Obama filled out paperwork when going to college as a foreign student, which is a big reason why he won't release his records. Fraud wouldn't look so good, neither would his average grades. Someone with nothing to hide would show his records, just as was demanded of Bush who did by the way and he didn't run on transparency like Obama did. Obama doesn't seem to know what that word means, nor how many states this country has.

So you agree Romney should have released more than what he did for his tax returns?

:thumbs:

barryr
07-19-2013, 07:35 AM
So you agree Romney should have released more than what he did for his tax returns?

:thumbs:

Actually I'm for all politicians to show their tax returns. You agree Harry Reid should do the same? :thumbs:

houghtam
07-19-2013, 09:51 AM
Actually I'm for all politicians to show their tax returns. You agree Harry Reid should do the same? :thumbs:

Why wouldn't I?

But why stop at taxes and grades?

barryr
07-19-2013, 11:04 AM
Why wouldn't I?

But why stop at taxes and grades?

Of course the difference is you won't demand it of Reid like of Romney. Who said to stop it at taxes and grades? I'd like to know who has given money to people like Reid and Pelosi, among others, for example. Funny thing was when Reid was demanding Romney give more info., but Reid refused to do the same the excuse made by his supporters(anyone who always votes democrat) was Reid wasn't running for president. So the belief apparently was more important for someone running for president, who can only be in that spot for 8 years max is more important to see their records than someone in Congress who has been in for 40+ years and in their for a lifetime. Yeah, really makes sense.

houghtam
07-19-2013, 11:08 AM
Of course the difference is you won't demand it of Reid like of Romney. Who said to stop it at taxes and grades? I'd like to know who has given money to people like Reid and Pelosi, among others, for example. Funny thing was when Reid was demanding Romney give more info., but Reid refused to do the same the excuse made by his supporters(anyone who always votes democrat) was Reid wasn't running for president. So the belief apparently was more important for someone running for president, who can only be in that spot for 8 years max is more important to see their records than someone in Congress who has been in for 40+ years and in their for a lifetime. Yeah, really makes sense.

So what you're saying is that one longtime Congressperson has more of an effect on the government than a two-term President?

Go back to high school politics, chum.

mhgaffney
07-19-2013, 06:44 PM
So what is the NSA using to blackmail Obama?

Serious question for serious thread.

To answer your question --

Obama flip flopped on the issue of wiretapping. First he opposed the wholesale violations of the FISA court by Bush -- then later he did a 180 --

Check this out

Obama’s FISA Shift

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/07/obamas-fisa-shi/

certainly it makes a person wonder --

Do you even know what FISA is?

MHG

DenverBrit
07-19-2013, 07:42 PM
To answer your question --

Obama flip flopped on the issue of wiretapping. First he opposed the wholesale violations of the FISA court by Bush -- then later he did a 180 --

Check this out

Obama’s FISA Shift

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/07/obamas-fisa-shi/

certainly it makes a person wonder --

Do you even know what FISA is?

MHG

Did you not understand the question? You have yet to answer it.